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Mike Florio and Michael Holley unpack the report that six massage therapists have accused Justin Tucker of inappropriate behavior and spell out why there is a precedent given the Deshaun Watson situation. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #NFL
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[@EmporerNero]

"The Browns just traded three 1st round picks for Justin Tucker..."

[@Largecow_Moobeast]

mvp comment.

[@simonmehmet124]

lol

[@jamestaylor2979]

@@Largecow_Moobeastglaze!

[@Nite2012Mare]

2000 people beat you to this. 🙄👍

[@FranksClassic42]

They would be dumb enough too

[@alexanderdumas-]

Deshaun Watson: “Those are rookie numbers”

[@ronaldwilson9525]

Ain’t that the truth

[@jamiephillips5350]

😂😂

[@GoKU-xx2vg]

In the voice of Matthew McConaughey 😂

[@ramsfan709]

Lmao 😂😂

[@GregLucas-pv8nm]

We ain't talking about Him we talking about Justin Tucker.

[@alexanderdumas-]

Justin Tugger

[@sportislife4012]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnbarber9417]

😂😂😂

[@RisitasKEKW]

Robert Kraft: “you’ve learned well, young padowan”

[@rorytribbet6424]

Young padojohn*

[@FranksClassic42]

If he got banned how did he learn anything lol

[@madnessontheisland]

They actually waited 10 years for his skills to decline before they investigated a 10 year old poorly kept community secret. That’s the real headline.

[@JackieLastrada]

IKR Release the Kraken!

[@mr.hester5671]

Exactly… that should be the story… why did the media, NFL and the Ravens wait to investigate…

[@respectdawildo_danjones508]

@@mr.hester5671yeah certainly seems odd, I’d be more interested in why no criminal charges were filed, that is what the media should be questioning but of course… unless I’m mistaken and criminal charges are being discussed

[@garyfields6915]

Ravens want out of his contract.

[@DWoodsII]

Explains why he was trash this year. I figured he had some type of off-field issue going on

[@Kinogotiate]

He's been doing this since 2012 so I think if anything he wasn't able to get his massages this year and couldn't focus

[@jonosay854]

Bc he he wasn't getting massages anymore. He was sore

[@justicestyles]

Yeah he knew it was coming out this year

[@Kinogotiate]

@@justicestyles Imo tucker and deshaun should just go play for raiders where this sort of thing is legal in nevada.

[@billydeaton3560]

Thats just speculation ! We're only worried about the facts !! Innocent "UNTIL" proven guilty ! Lets see how it plays out ! If he's Innocent he better not do a Big Ben and pay accusers off ! If he's guilty his career will be over ! NFL needs to start taking the allegations serious ! What ai don't understand is these facilities within the team organizations have top specialist so why are these players going to these public therapy places ! NFL needs to drop the hammer on all teams to make sure physical therapy sessions are done within the team facility !

[@alfgwahigain5544]

Remember that players have access to massage therapists at team facilities.

[@RK-um9tu]

Brett Favre just entered the chatroom...

[@billquantrill4960]

But you can't grape them.

[@KHY_001]

Team facilities also have bathrooms, doesn’t mean I have to use them because he’s player.

[@billquantrill4960]

@@KHY_001 Hard to figure what you're arguing for. The point is that under supervision you'll probably get less grape.

[@Nighthawk-8050]

Time for the Ravens to look for another kicker.

[@eclark9965]

Why. Happy endings are dope

[@thetitanofwallstreet7839]

@@eclark9965those sessions didn’t seem to happy if he was getting banned

[@chinaexpat1827]

THE FACT THAT HE WAS BANNED SHOWS THAT THESE ALLEGATIONS MIGHT BE LEGIT

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

True dat.

[@jakebeaver2139]

But yet theres no documentation for any ban. They said they did ban over phone. So idk

[@soylentteal]

He just does it for kicks.

[@WWG3802]

😂😂😂😂

[@davecinco847]

He's here all week, folks lol

[@soylentteal]

Try the veal. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.

[@thomascharles7961]

Explains why tucker started to suck just like watson

[@sim396]

Justin touch-er

[@ChristiaanIngram]

“Umm massage lady…there’s one more leg you need to get “ -Justin Tucker probably

[@romain8390]

He probably said “bump those other two legs” 😂😂When I first heard it, my thought was “this is probably why he’s missing all them kicks, he’s worried about the wrong leg”.

[@Chalk89]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA ‘That doesn’t even qualify as a fetus’ leg, sir.’

[@ChrisThomas-hg4ne]

Is that you in the video!!?

[@ragnargreystoke3271]

“They’re not coming to fix your refrigerator”-Epic!

[@kgema89]

Yall only mention Deshaun when they had Robert Kraft dead to right 😂

[@antonhrebec2103]

Different rules for owners like Kraft, Tepper, Jones, and Irsay. Billionaire Boys Club

[@towIie]

I’m pretty sure consent is the main difference there

[@CindyR4]

@@towIie Yeah it’s completely different if the women were willing participants.

[@drphilsbarber4513]

Maybe cuz he’s a owner

[@jammininthepast]

The sick old elite Devil Kraft? Yeah he's got the connections to bury anything like this. Ask his leather face devil friend Jerry Jones.

[@christopherwall444]

I knew an attractive girl who had a serious massage therapy business...she said 75% of customers wanted more than just a sports type massage. Probably more like 85% tbh knowing how guys think

[@marquesmurray]

Legit? Sure

[@BlackRose-vi2yg]

Worse comes to worst, he can always go to the Browns.

[@FranksClassic42]

Or Patriots I'm sure Kraft would love him

[@ResoluteRiot]

People have known about this since January 2021. How it’s just getting out now I have no idea

[@DrPhill96]

What people?

[@ResoluteRiot]

@@DrPhill96 people in Baltimore

[@DrPhill96]

@ - So people In Baltimore knew but the press and rest of the country did not? 😂🤣

[@Nigaleto]

Those girls should have known better because they asked Tucker who recommended him to the salon and he said Deshaun Watson

[@mterwill9]

Justin Tucker has been accused of inappropriate behavior with massage therapists. Cleveland Browns: we need this dude!!!!

[@DEGENERATE_sendit]

Someone needs to tell these guys it’s not the high end joints that be doin the extras in the massage parlor

[@Freerider93]

You go to Chinatown?

[@samking2094]

They should have cameras in the massage room.... You'd think players would want cameras for their own protection too...

[@chinaexpat1827]

NO, THE PROBLEM MOST TIMES IS WHEN CUSTOMERS DON'T NEGOTIATE EVERYTHING BEFOREHAND.

[@garyfields6915]

Imagine how many of those videos get released.

[@DrPhill96]

No. There will be no camera in my room!

[@gregorycampbell9386]

Man this whole story just rubs me the wrong way

[@davey70dave]

Ba dum bump tissshhh

[@ChristiaanIngram]

@@gregorycampbell9386 Thank you! I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitstaff on the way out.

[@jetteroheller]

He’d make a good Patriot. He and Bob can exchange notes.

[@davidg3944]

Tiny mind you have there, Jethro. Keep crying, your team will still suck - just like their fans.

[@jetteroheller]

@ Enjoy your happy ending.

[@pjinkc]

​@davidg3944 the pats suck.

[@1Mrstephen]

I’d be willing to bet that every team has a player doing those things weekly. These guys have a lot of money and think they have so much power… money and perceived power comes behavior that is unacceptable, then forgiven and they go do it again. You think Watson hasn’t done it again!? LOL! You’re lying to yourself.

[@Mooseman327]

The Ravens owe Tucker $13.5 million over the next three seasons, none of it guaranteed. The Ravens could use this as an excuse to cut Tucker loose and save some money.

[@danielbramstedt9178]

Ravens not getting rid of Tucker.

[@Washington-Dreaming]

Hey, NFL players, got a secret for you: Don’t hire your own massage therapists. Just sayin’.

[@17thN.O]

Justin Tucker was going to massage spas and getting banned (allegedly).

[@freetheworld2671]

Faaacts big Faaacts

[@CindyR4]

Or hire the massage therapist that Robert Kraft knows. The ones who will willingly give you a happy ending for a price. Emphasis on the word willingly.

[@karenhardie1132]

You make millions for working a half year. How difficult is it to just behave. 😢

[@JB_II]

Just trying to figure out why it took between 12 - 8 years for this to be alleged?

[@PianoUniverse]

I have a problem when this stuff pops up 9 years later.

[@yuddinwarri6824]

Any chick can accuse you and shake you down without any evidence,

[@dinkumthinkum4247]

@@yuddinwarri6824 The Me Too movement is basically just a Kafka novel. I would never put myself at risk if I had millions.

[@sidelinesarah]

3:07 he knows… who

[@L6Jeremy]

Ravens fan here. We need to release him. We are a zero tolerance team thats culture focused. Tucker has let us all down.

[@IAMAMMAFAN]

Ray Lewis was a model citizen 🤡

[@stephendwane8166]

Ray rice… zero tolerance🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nsd_respect]

Guilty until innocent?

[@JeffCampbell-s2k]

Chiefs fan here, and I absolutely agree!!!!😁🤣😂😁🤣😂

[@stephendwane8166]

@@JeffCampbell-s2k don’t tell me chiefs zero tolerance please🤣🤣🙈🙈 no team is zero tolerance just depends on the player, let’s be honest

[@hermanblackwell2820]

But y you not talking abt joy taylor or rt yall all involved

[@bonesjones9668]

Sounds like absolutely everyone was involved with Joy

[@d2kilkenny]

Maybe that's why he kicked so poorly this year

[@ppploans]

Robert Kraft is proud 😊

[@nolongerblocked6210]

When the owner of the Patriots gets caught doing the same thing, this shouldn't surprise anyone. I agree with Mike... I bet we see at least 10 more players get called out, if not many more

[@deebostall]

the owner of the patriots payed for it these guys didnt

[@soda8736]

The owner of the Patriots was doing something illegal but consensual. This a Watson are different. They have accusers

[@jordandowery4226]

Funny how yall said nothing about the FS1 scandal

[@isaiahh4108]

They don’t work for Fox

[@miked.9364]

Is the FS1 scandal about current professional athletes?

[@hulafanmc]

no one currently in the NFL was involved in that its literally called profootballtalk

[@petersuburban4869]

Also fs1 scandal is about grown adults knowingly sleeping with others to get to the top. In other words they gave consent. This is not that.

[@garyfields6915]

@@petersuburban4869 consent lines are blurred when bosses sleep with subordinates so the subordinates can get promotions. There’s laws specific to this.

[@markkoep8031]

They can absolutely still benefit financially. That ship hasnt sailed yet.

[@Svetlana-u2i5v]

"Rub and Tug" Robert Kraft was the pioneer for this behavior.

[@chrisalfano589]

Only took a decade to come out? Wow…

[@darnellmiller1215]

No Justin...no peace! Free Justin Tucker. Go Ravens!

[@jtmmmm27]

Justin Tucker gets accused of sexually harrasing massage therapists. Cleveland Browns kicker: Why do I hear boss music?

[@devinmorrison2993]

I said the same thing about an “ambiguous interaction”

[@michaelmunro8147]

Ambiguous is an ambiguous word

[@txbooberry]

Awesome KISS shirt!

[@leebutz4727]

Justin Tucker "I want a happy ending"

[@dantheman8152]

He is in trouble

[@ohiomoto]

Can we void Deshaun Watson's contract for this? -- Andrew Berry

[@Josh_from_Jersey]

JUSTIN RUB-N-TUCKER

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

If you are going to deny allegations, have specific rebuttals to each allegation. Just say, this never happened. That did. Maybe it can go away better.

[@skipklauber1162]

What is the Baltimore banner?

[@dwally4198]

Not even close to the same energy towards Tucker as they had towards Deshaun. Wonder why?

[@sharonreel8678]

They'll have to rename the "Tuck" rule because of this.

[@johnnyalmonds96]

Im a ravens fan so definitely sucks if true. The timing is def suspicious tho, right as tuckers fg percentage falls off, all this comes out 🤔

[@muribe918]

Browns got a couple draft pocks and fully guaranteed contract ready for Tucker.

[@zacharyharkness8780]

Tucker Wasn’t Tucking. 😅😅

[@chasetownsend2544]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@droppin_sik_beets]

That's why he was so off this yr

[@sonnydacuse7622]

JUSTIN IS A GONER! 😊

[@eddievangundy4510]

The other guy makes a good point with the "ambiguous" activities that Tucker referenced.

[@incognitoguitars9999]

Great job-The Hottest Band in the World!

[@eddievangundy4510]

Mike praised Rusty Hardin and Watson for fighting to the bitter end. See if he has the same viewpoint on this case.

[@gyterdoneJP7315]

8 years ago now someone wants to gripe? Throw it out.

[@floyd1phat]

IF YOU HIT ME AT WHAT POINT AND TIME DID YOU NOT HIT ME … ??? IF I DECIDE TO WAIT 58 YEARS YOU STILL HIT ME .

[@garyfields6915]

@@floyd1phat only based on your word he hit you.

[@Steven-cz4mv]

BINGO

[@leebutz4727]

...Kraft hold my beer

[@brandondavenport6147]

Justin Tucker must be hanging out with deshswn Watson

[@juanortuno565]

Florio flexing his legal muscles.

[@damion1011]

Past few years has massage therapist terrified of the nfl now. Kraft , Watson and now tucker.

[@FranksClassic42]

Watson got his on Instagram not a parlor

[@deebostall]

kraft payed for it these guys didnt pay the tried to force it

[@17thN.O]

Maybe there should be apart of the contract that NFL players can only get massaged by male massage therapist and if they are found to be messaged by female therapist they get fined, suspended or more than once their contract can be terminated.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

The teams hire teams of highly trained & specialized message therapists, any player going outside the team facilities feels very sus imo. You can have highly trained specialists for free provided by your team... or a random business with employees.

[@pjinkc]

The NFL should just get rid of the kickers. This one first.

[@Wrasseman10]

So let me get this straight. The commentary is advising Justin tucker to get rid of problem by settling and avoiding nfl investigation. This rhetoric seems to be tad different to a certain individual who plays for browns

[@robw2379]

Actually, when Watson had his first accusations in Houston, Florio was screaming "he should have settled" pretty much daily. Tuckers accusers went public without suing, just a newspaper investigating a rumor.

[@Josh_from_Jersey]

NOW WE KNOW WHY HE HAD SO MUCH ON HIS MIND THIS YEAR

[@Mr5percenter]

Deshaun Watson said there’s no problem with what Tucker did

[@usuckthereturn]

All we’ll get out of this is few fans holding up signs reading “Justin Tugger” and “Dont forget to Tucker one out” during the start of the season

[@Joel-zy2zw]

A Texas grad taught very well at TU. Signed Aggie Fans😂

[@grantorino2009]

Great t-shirt, Mike.

[@jo0123]

As a kicker Tucker doesn’t have Watsons contract. He could take a big hit to his wallet.

[@sfmgolf]

Deshaun Watson, “Hold my beer”

[@Largecow_Moobeast]

lol I don't think kicker is going to be considered a "worth dealing with all this" position.

[@paulied856]

No wonder why he was struggling😂

[@bucksdiaryfan]

McManus is saying: Bro, stick to airline stewardesses

[@devinmorrison2993]

Ive heard of stories of McManus just being a terrible person in addition to hearing that, I knew he was a loser. 😂

[@dkoze]

Everyone forgets bob kraft…

[@marcethier4362]

guys, it's not a message on soi 6 thailand, so probably dont treat it as such

[@henrylee8510]

With so many accusers, its got to be real. Did he learn under Dabo too?

[@billydeaton3560]

Sounds like Tucker needs to start playing the "Tuck" rule !! 😂😂

[@michaelmunro8147]

Tucker's attempt was wide left

[@alexamerling79]

Deshaun Watson:: "That's nothing."

[@georgeg49]

Apparently, those towels had holes in them already... but I can neither confirm nor deny.

[@Phillip-py7pc]

Yall werent doing this Towards Watson at all none of yall were

[@NoneYa831]

I’ll let the process play out before jumping to a conclusion. The main tweets were made when he missed 2 kicks in a playoff game to the Bills. The accounts are very strange. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost money because of Tucker and made the posts.

[@rafaelquinones1843]

Why does it sound like he's giving tucker legal advice 🤔

[@atbj23]

If there are masseurs in the organisation then teams should stick a blanket ban on all external masseurs and physical therapy going forward

[@helpfixstupid6190]

Statute of limitations?

[@ernstpierre7021]

if u don't want to apply happy endings don't become a massager 😂😂😂😂

[@bigjermboktown6976]

Why is it that all these women come out 10 to 20 years later or sometimes 30 years later... Are they waiting for them pockets to get deeper something? I mean all this could very well be true but if I'm getting paid that kind of money you can best believe I ain't doing s***without getting somebody to sign a contract saying you ain't coming after me for nothing and then when I leave or we go our separate ways you can sign it again and say everything was satisfactory.

[@rorroreyes1739]

The dude on the right went on a sick one talking about nothing just to say the obvious

[@nickycritic5269]

This isn’t a new story. We’ve been hearing the rumors for a while now. But I like how they waited till AFTER the season to break this news. Now talk to me about how this League isn’t rigged.

[@tynosille6747]

Here we go again!

[@corybell7568]

Keep the same energy yall had with DeShawn.

[@soda8736]

What is the same energy ?

[@turdle69420]

I have no doubts most football player exhibit predatory behavior. I also have no doubt a woman wouldnt hesitate to game the system and ruin someones life to improve theirs. People forget that woman can be equally as appalling

[@paulisconi2264]

Hiring a law firm to intimidate a newspaper that reported the truth is weak.

[@kenyattaclay7666]

It’s also fruitless because as Bret Farve found out when you are a public figure liable laws have a much higher standard. Even if the allegations are shown to be false he would have to prove that they knew they were false.

[@paulisconi2264]

@kenyattaclay7666 yes, he'd have to prove actual malice or reckless disregard, which is much higher than negligence.

[@jakebrown3117]

Not IF they are false. What should he do? Just let his name get smeared and his career ruined? You said "the truth" so you automatically believe the banner.

[@nsd_respect]

How do you know it’s the “truth”?

[@dannyquilter8366]

​@@nsd_respectbecause its clearly been known around the city of Baltimore for years now. If its public knowledge like that then it ain't false

[@mrbamfo5000]

If he did do it, shouldn't he be punished beyond a little fine????

[@patrickcarter1616]

Awesome KISS Shirt Mike \m/