NHL Defeats NHLPA in 2004-05 Lockout

This is why the NHLPA needs to play it smart when dealing with the collective bargaining agreement. They wound up getting far less than they would have if they had just settled rather than lose the season.
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[@lukasmaly7295]

Incredible that this is literally the only video on KZbin explaining the whole situation. I was way too young back than to understand it all and wanted to understand it now, but was having a hard time until I found this brilliant video

[@TheEDFLegacy]

That's Shannon for you. :)

[@jimmywaters1560]

This is the reason Shannon is the best..ton of work put in. Great video. Very informative

[@brenden9758]

The lockout that saved the NHL

[@jamesgentry13]

EXACTLY!!! The salary cap is good for the game

[@mike04574]

And sort of made it worse

[@TheEDFLegacy]

@@mike04574 Only if you're an Oilers/Montreal/Toronto fan.

[@weatheredtome]

​@@TheEDFLegacybad take

[@mr.brenman2132]

​@@weatheredtomeGreat take. Canucks love to use the cap to explain away the mismanagement of their teams.

[@commandershepard1838]

Hey, cheer up Shannon. Marcus Naslund made the cover of NHL 2005!

[@odyseamysle]

Best year in Europe for me.

[@bjnt92281]

NHL 2K5 gave me my hockey fix for that season. And the best part of it was it only cost $19.99.

[@pizzapeku8]

Year that saved career of Teemu Selanne

[@leandroramos3041]

The best team in the Sens history never had the chance to hit the ice

[@Nickleblanc41]

Leandro Ramos beside the 11 Ottawa Senators teams that won Stanley Cup?

[@leandroramos3041]

I was obviously talking about the "new" Ottawa Senators

[@fhaquassho]

Lol until they play the leafs in the playoffs

[@kirkjordan8718]

This happened my senior year of high school. This was the time ESPN started doing poker on the channel. Chris Moneymaker, Phil Helmuth, and others sparked a huge gambling problem for me when I was younger. God damn poker.

[@TheEDFLegacy]

So.... in a really bizarre way, it's all Bettman's and the NHLPA's fault. :P

[@kirkjordan8718]

@@TheEDFLegacy you know I haven't thought it out like that but the gloves fit

[@ottomackensen]

Blaming others for your lack of self control

[@kirkjordan8718]

@@ottomackensen I mean not really. Was something to watch and became role models. I don't regret that addiction. It didn't control my life as much as others. I currently manage a sober living facility. I know lots about addiction. They were just as much of role models as Joe Sakic was for a blink of an eye in time. It's Joe's fault I played hockey as a kid.

[@zigfield723]

The new goalie equipment rule just came into affect a few days ago we have it for this year, I've already noticed more pucks getting by in areas they haven't in a long time. Thank God too the late 90's early 2000's was a dull time for the NHL

[@trey7911]

Damn, ovi lost his REAL rookie season to this. How many goals and points do you think he wouldve had that year?

[@philipcoggins9512]

Probably about another 100 points, maybe 50ish goals. They would have been clutching and grabbing him a lot that year. Or he could have just stayed in Russia like Malkin.

[@ryans413]

Mother Plunger plus the pens won Crosby on a pick a team out of a hat thing.

[@kbholla]

At least 80 points.

[@philipcoggins9512]

To be fair, the Pens had some pretty bad teams in the years prior...

[@September2004]

Someone also told me that if he had been born 2 days earlier, he would've reached the cutout date for the *previous* year and his rookie season could have been 2003 - 04! Plus, take all those times he was close to 50 goals and didn't get it and he would've had 10+ 50-goal seasons. Bossy and Gretzky never had to deal with a big lockout or a pandemic during their 50-goal seasons.

[@JHockeyFan]

Pretty sure Pittsburgh got Letang in that draft too.

[@philipcoggins9512]

Yep, 3rd Round

[@BrettHornby]

While painful in some way that lockout was necessary for the well being of the NHL. It was unnecessary in 2012 and still think another one is coming in a year or two with Gary Bettman in charge. Think he's been commissioner for almost 30 years.

[@lmsports4915]

Since you always wear the jersey of the Cup champion for this series, I wondered for a couple of weeks whether you'd be going topless to talk about this lockout season. My profound thanks for not going that route..... X-D

[@mcdaviddeservesbetter8]

Hahahaha

[@kickass80000]

Very informative video!

[@josephgabello3214]

As someone who lived in an AHL city, it was not a lost season for us. Great Hockey

[@andrewhayes88]

A little bit under a year ago (maybe week 3 or 4 of the 17-18 season), I was trying to find some videos about this particular lockout and thats how I "stumbled apon" to your channel at that time and subscribed!

[@BloggerMusicMan]

The owners had all the leverage and nothing to lose in 2004-05. That's why this dragged out as long as it did and why the owners eventually won. You could not sustain a situation where 75 per cent of league revenues were going to the players, where the owners pay those salaries and costs, and where the majority of the owners are losing money. No intelligent businessman would tolerate that scenario. Something had to give, and the players should have realized that earlier than they did, because they would have at least been paid that year. The problem that the players always have in these negotiations is that their livelihoods, certainly ones that could ever make them celebrities and millionaires, are attached to the sport they play. Endorsements and their own businesses may or may not come later, and really only if in you're in the top five per cent or so of those athletes. But your value is fundamentally connected to you being a skilled employee. They depend on the owners' money, and these are owners who can survive just fine through their own businesses, investments and connections without sports. If they're losing money on their teams, they'll eventually just sell their teams and their livelihoods will survive. The players can't do that. Because of that, any agreement that's ever negotiated can only be done if the owners are winning at the same time as the players. You will never be able to fleece the owners in the long run, and that's the lesson of 2004-05.

[@peterdragon6367]

As a wings fan I miss the salary cap. We could fix problems really quick lol

[@claudea.drapeau7869]

Great informative video Shannon !

[@Keenan716]

As always, great video Shannon!

[@soundersfan2443]

I was so disappointed when we all lost a season. I pray something like this never happens again.

[@ngrp27]

😐

[@chrisconnell8464]

Amazing job man!!

[@taekwondotime]

Look where Toronto was in the standings. A powerhouse team. The Leafs wouldn't see another playoff game for 10 years after this happened.

[@idontknow3718]

great video like always

[@MrEdwardpullman]

Awesome video!

[@bcscottj]

I remember discovering that there could be more to life than watching hockey 100 nights a year. Thankfully the games resumed in ‘05-‘06...

[@chrisgangsta]

I got curious about the NHL lockout because of the current MLB Lockout, great recap.

[@JeffKing310]

Love the title of the video!

[@not2tees]

The Owners . . . we always have the Owners with us, don't we? Are YOU owned? Who isn't, in one way or other?

[@jemcolo5778]

not2tees cause pens wanted Crosby

[@jerseyjealousy1995]

Still blows my mind that the league survived the WW1, Spanish Influenza, the Great Depression, and WW2, but couldn't survive their own greed.

[@robminmonaca]

Zac Wheatley the league is even older than the NFL.

[@theawesomer8587]

I hated this year.... I tried following basketball that year. A friend of mine had season tickets for the Pistons, he couldn't go to one of the games, so he gave the tickets to me. It was the same game of the malice in the palace. I sat in the same section where Artest ran into the crowd. Fortunately, I left the game about 15 minutes before the brawl.

[@elguapo5820]

I like the Jersey

[@SverigeiSverige]

Calder Cup Phantoms

[@hockeyalley1]

After the lock out lots of new rules were added to the game. I believe it had to do that with the one piece sticks.

[@slapshot68]

Do a video on who would hav won the cup if there was a 2004-05 season

[@hockeyfan1777]

The salary cap is a very good thing, given the resulting parity. Unpredictability is what makes sports worth watching. Unless it’s my team winning the titles, I don’t ever want to see a Habs/Isles/Oilers-style dynasty.

[@aramondehasashi3324]

After seeing the NBA become a shitty super team league im so happy the NHL has a hard cap.

[@hattorihanzo2275]

I remember when poker was a thing on ESPN. Drove me nuts. I kept seeing some dude in a cowboy hat. At that time they'd talk about poker but still hardly any news about soccer.

[@robminmonaca]

MLB needs to do what the NHL did but they tried it in 1994 the same year of the first bettman era strike and had to cancel the season in late summer 1994 and the World Series. NHL played a short season like in 2012-13.

[@MattMcRB]

Did the series go to seven games though?

[@TheHockeyGuy]

Owners won in a sweep.

[@danielsteigerwald26]

The owners actually won the series in 3. It was that bad.

[@patch8376]

Brian Gionta broke out for 48 goals after this; Brad Boyes, 72 points. The new NHL.

[@Usiris23]

Up close and personal. Much different from the present videos

[@tonttaana8930]

i wonder how todays game could turn out to be if we bring the two-line pass back?. and the hockey guy could you make a own video about the subject "two lines pass" . and is it the main thing that game has become better or worse?. and there are some coaches you have suggest that bring it back but i do not rememr the names

[@Vayne18X]

I know Bobby Orr said they should bring it back in relation to injuries and concussions.

[@tonttaana8930]

yes. i think he imagine that the rule would slow the game down a little bit

[@matthewcampbell7985]

I was 16 and a 10th grader in Garland h.s. I thought Dallas stars starting the 2004-05 season put league and players are out of money the salary cap was disappeared. Commissioner Gary's enemy did not accept the salary cap is bob goodenow. Goodenow is the one to destroyed 2004-05 nhl season flash forward June 2005 heard on my NBC affiliate they finally accept cba for 8 years.

[@skateordiedev]

This should’ve been the first season I ever watched but it got taken away :(

[@ToasterNinja]

Correct me if I'm worng, But is this the only video that documents this?

[@williambutler679]

I like those Buffalo Jerseys, white for the home, black for away, red for 3rd. those Jersey's looked a lot cooler than blue yellow and white ones now.

[@amh31]

You should mirror this season with a video of the euro leagues being filled with NHLers. I still enjoy watching Dan Hinote get rag dolled by Chara that season. Just a interesting perspective, because a lot of guys went over.

[@drzal1221]

Man i miss these divisions

[@MichGoBIue]

I was a hockey fan from 1980-81 until this lock out. I watched every second of every Red Wing playoff game. Then, I stopped. I have not watched hockey until now. I'm trying to get back into it. Yea, nice time to pick it up with the Red Wings the worst team in hockey. What happened?!?!? Well, I'll continue watching these videos!

[@SigmaRho2922]

Had the 2005-06 season been wiped out then the NHL would have filed for chapter 11.

[@jasonarokiaraj9817]

At least I wasn’t even a sports fan at all until 2 years later.

[@derekentelisano3715]

"you said no cap, no cap, no cap... okay cap" how it be : /

[@patch8376]

Cool alternative-type video on a season missed.

[@MixerMadness]

those four teams who had the best odds of getting Crosby were Anaheim (can you imagine that pronger nidermayer Team with him) buffalo (again they were amazing after the lockout) and the pens. I forgot the fourth team but I’m gonna guess the islanders.

[@LivinLifeLifeless]

Watch the Pens win the cup two years in a row now with this jinx!

[@pierresoorden5975]

I miss the small divisions

[@pierresoorden5975]

But I’ll take 4 x 8 over 8 x 4

[@Tomten0]

SHL sure had an interesting season that year. A lot of star players came to Sweden :)

[@famousty909]

I still bought NHL 05 lmao still one of the best hockey games as well aha

[@Xave1402tbk]

I was honestly hoping you were gonna skip that year, it's depressing.

[@chrisb8021]

this time around will be interesting ... as Shannon mentioned in an earlier video the league is making a lot of money, doing well ratings-wise, seems to have a good thing going with NBC in the States, and the league really wants that expansion money in Seattle - a bigger city than Las Vegas. I don't think Betteman will be able to bully Fehr and the players this time. He has a lot to lose.

[@robminmonaca]

Chris B who was worse John Zeigler or bettman. I know Gary is the biggest and most famous modern leader they have ever had and still do. I don’t know why people don’t talk about his predecessor and the major problems the NHL was having with horrible tv deals on US cable TV and very low revenues. I know the debate of going into non traditional hockey markets but some have turned the corner and are good. I think is just a Canadian thing.

[@GrinderCB]

Interesting to compare the lost 2004-05 season with other sports' labor stoppages. After the MLB's lost 1994 World Series it took a few years for the fans to come back. The NHL lost a whole season over the argument over the money and the fans came right back. I've never really heard a summation like this one, where the players were the big losers.

[@pierresoorden5975]

Jul 13, 2005: Tentative agreement

[@Nickleblanc41]

When did the NHL ever lost to the NHLPA? The Players never keep fighting they always give up and the NHL always gets what they want. Just look at what happened last year, the players were robbed of the opportunity to represent their country in the Olympics, which btw not having the Olympics in the CBA is 100% the players fault, but they don’t get to go to Korea and then everyone of them still decides to show up to the All Star Game when they should’ve used it to protest by not going

[@robminmonaca]

Nick Leblanc wasn’t it about possible season ending injuries.

[@PeterCPRail8748]

As we have seen time and time again these labour disputes have solved nothing. Salaries go out of head in short order after the ealqualibruam of a work stoppage. Also the rift between have not and have everything teams stays the same. Just because there is a cap dosnt mean that poorer teams will spend anywhere near the ceiling. As we have seen to many small market teams spend closer to cap floor creating a two tear league. Nothing will change the NHL has issues learning from past mistakes.

[@shootermcgavin18]

the cap has made the sport way better it was for the best

[@jakubwidlarz]

$60M flat cap for 5 seasons would've been most sensible.

[@pierresoorden5975]

2004 Emerald Ridge Jaguars boys tennis team

[@jamesgentry13]

Don't know why people hate Betteman. Putting in the salary cap saved hockey

[@jahmanoog461]

Some of these fundamental issues still exist. The salary cap has been a great equalizer, you can't buy a championship. I think the sport could benefit from deeper teams, send some money to the Grinders. Have a paid taxi squad. Mario was right about the clutch and grab era making the game slower, we see more exciting, creative playmaking at incredible speeds now. How are you going to get that big TV contract with your power rankings on Sat night, if you keep telling it like it was? Salute Shannon.

[@MixerMadness]

It’s IRONIC you wear a buffalo jersey the one year the cups not given out. I’m a sabres fan and I find it hilarious

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

would neutral zone puck possession attract hockey fans?

[@September2004]

I wonder if the NHLPA should've accepted some sort of salary cap from the beginning as long as: a. Every team's finances are audited so we can get an accurate view of each team's finances. b. Accept a salary cap as long as there's a salary 'floor' as well. Maybe that would be easier to swallow.

[@JoshuaWSiegel]

Well, as a Canes fan, I'm glad Ray Whitney got bought out that summer.

[@Nickleblanc41]

So Under the current playoffs format and Divisions: COL vs NSH DAL vs STL SJ vs EDM VAN vs CGY DET vs OTT TB vs BOS PHI vs TOR NJ vs BRK ?

[@Nickleblanc41]

cashtheyen also works for the Islanders until they move to Belmont

[@Nickleblanc41]

cashtheyen can’t you just take the joke?

[@Ballpython77]

bad memories! what a boring winter that was. if there is a 4th one, i am done!

[@philipcoggins9512]

All you need is to look at a picture of JS Giguere or Garth Snow to realize just how ridiculous goalie equipment was then. Next is that I always thought, and argued, that the better rule to eliminate was the tag-up offside ban during the mid 90s and not the 2-line pass that was more detrimental to the game. Now all the sudden you had a rule that nearly eliminated forechecking altogether and forced teams to adopt a trapping style of play. I mean, when you have five guys hanging around the neutral zone and they can't attack, you might as well put them in a trap. I wasn't too bothered by the delay of game rule because, as a goalie, I always got a penalty for launching the puck out of the rink, and only one time did I do it on purpose! Now if we can just get rid of that stupid trapezoid...

[@user-in8cs5ed9d]

Whoa

[@kevaninthe4135]

Jeremy Jacobs basically put everything on the Bruins on the curb with a "Free" sign after the end of the lockout.

[@marcovautour2915]

No wonder hockey is "less" nostalgic to watch..

[@BoyNamedSue4]

Aw yes. The year Kariya rejoined the ducks and went undefeated in the playoffs.

[@andrewr7982]

ESPN showed poker as well and poker actually got kind of popular for a bit.

[@mike04574]

Why weren’t they able to reach a deal like in 92, 94, or like other sports such as basketball and MLB?

[@Waders27]

National Hockey Lockout

[@SuperDrewFranklinFranchise]

No Stanley Cup Awarded Because Of The Lockout🔒🔐 From The (2004-05) Year.

[@skullmanwizard]

No Atlanta Thrashers logo?

[@petrograd4068]

I don't really mind the cap, but I've always been amazed it was implemented in the US of all places. (Less surprised Canadian teams wanted it.) It's so extremely un-American. The owners acting like a union, and then getting an agreement to stop the free market, because they couldn't handle the effects if it.

[@aramondehasashi3324]

While it is un-American i think sports leagues is one place where it should be implemented.

[@wot9084]

I wasn't really focused on the lockout at that time could someone give me some details on why the players looked like the bad guy? They just wanted to play and get payed fairly.

[@rodzor]

payed isn't a word

[@ryans413]

Were they really thinking of starting the season In February really

[@September2004]

They should've cancelled the results of the 2004 draft and enter all those players back into the 2005 draft. That would be fair and ensure no team got both Ovechkin, Crosby and Malkin. That would've been one of the greatest draft years of all time like in 1979 where they lowered the age for entry and they had twice as many good draft picks.

[@patch8376]

8:37 - 9:11 ...why Roenick isn't in the HHOF...

[@haroldlawson8771]

Should be

[@eila2088]

Some really good rule changes, but I despise shootout (and OTL, W-L-T for me please) and triple despise the trapezoid. I watched more CFL during this time and hated Bettman and the owners not the players. Not saying this was majority opinion though. Game style changes also made old teams like Leafs bad but eh, that's on the team to fix and they didn't for a decade.

[@bertmustin]

Kings drafted Kopitar and Quick in the 2005 draft.

[@ambrose788]

Salary cap is great for the league.

[@derrickricciotti6653]

Dont forget London Knights. They saved hockey that year

[@jaredmason194]

Now i really dont like bettman

[@kevaninthe4135]

3 lockouts under is tenure, one that wiped a whole season. He should be embarrassed by that.

[@patch8376]

"Bettman > Gretzky + Lemieux" - Bettman

[@wilnerolivier7971]

@@kevaninthe4135 And the asshole is being inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.

[@jamesgentry13]

You really think teams.should.be forced to pay players over 10 million a.season? You're against expansion? You're against a salary cap?

[@macklinflaherty6588]

Gotta hand it to Tampa Bay, excellent title defense.

[@YirbyBond00Y]

The NHL has won the Stanley Cup

[@aramondehasashi3324]

While the players did get royally screwed this lockout helped the league. I'm so happy the NHL has a hard cap so we don't turn into the current NBA. The MLB is also a joke where most poor teams can't compete with the big market rich teams. Most of the rule changes also helped the game.

[@killermon117]

Wow

[@catholicactionbibleonlyist1813]

They should have awarded the Stanley Cup to the Philadelphia Phantoms