NHS Trust punished doctors raising safety concerns, whistleblowers allege - BBC Newsnight

Newsnight has been investigating one of the worst performing Hospital Trusts in England, and can report allegations that University Hospitals Birmingham Foundation Trust (UHB) - one of the biggest in the country - has been using disciplinary investigations to punish senior clinicians who have raised patient safety concerns.
In the past decade, the trust has referred 26 of its doctors to the General Medical Council which can investigate a doctor's fitness to practise, a Freedom of Information Act request by an NHS safety campaigner found. In all cases the GMC took no further action.
Current and former senior doctors say the "mafia style" Trust is more interested in protecting its own reputation than what is happening on wards at the hospital.
The Trust, which has one of the worst records for patient outcomes, was last year rated "requires improvement" by healthcare regulator the Care Quality Commission.
The Trust said: "All patient safety concerns and incidents are rigorously investigated to prevent harm to our patients." They also said there were well-established routes and support in place for staff to raise concerns, and it promoted and encouraged this.
UHB Foundation Trust looks after the health of more than two million people but currently has neither a permanent Chief Executive nor Chair. David Grossman reports the investigation conducted jointly with BBC West Midlands, and produced by Sean Clare.
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[@jazzragu]

Becoming a doctor: Smashing GCSEs, Top A level results, 5 years at university (6 if intercalating in a particular field), 2 years foundation training, between 3 and 8 years further specialisation, Diplomas, Certificates, MSc programs, PhDs and endless courses, E-learning, appraisals… and all this when things are running smoothly. Then there’s the cost of these, plus indemnity, GMC fees, fear of vexatious complaints, additional hours of work which goes unpaid. What a vocation to choose! ❤ for people who do this.

[@beatriceanobah6388]

I used to work as a doctor, and your comment of appreciation brings a tear to my eye. It was tough to get into medicine, and it was tough to leave it behind. Medicine is a rewarding career but as this video highlights, there are major issues with the conditions medical staff have to work within.

[@mk-ld8ih]

@@beatriceanobah6388 try to open a surgery with a few friends or work in something or focus on private care

[@kitkat7370]

It’s really tough, they don’t tell you about the sacrifice of your mental health and sometimes physical health for the job

[@MrMushkin85]

What about the lies, corruption, ego and malicious personality that goes with being a doctor

[@vrindersinghrandhawa6343]

Drank the kool aid, blind allegiance to a cause is being a nazi, and if that’s cool with you, you are the problem.

[@aljack1979]

Part of the issue is managers who have no medical background making decisions on patients care that they have no accountability for.

[@lesleyvivien2876]

Are you confusing the NHS with America?

[@scootboot1336]

@@lesleyvivien2876 are you stupid? This is literally what happens in the uk lol. I’m a doctor and it’s exactly like this. Managerial leads in uk hospitals are not doctors/medically trained professionals. Educate yourself and don’t speak out of your ass.

[@lesleyvivien2876]

@@scootboot1336 No, your disagreement doesn't make me stupid. You're obviously working in a shit useless hospital. And not British, or why are you saying "ass"?

[@scootboot1336]

@@lesleyvivien2876 obviously not you blithering idiot. Your lack of knowledge of facts and claiming something that is false makes you stupid. All uk hospitals have senior managers/directors who are not doctors, that’s literally how the system works. Educate yourself idiot. You’ve obviously never worked in a hospital before so you wouldn’t know. Don’t make comments on things you have 0 idea about and act like you know everything. ‘Ass’ is used in the uk too, have you hit your head? Are you ok? Not only have you never worked in a hospital, you’re obviously not British either. Ass is used very regularly. What a silly woman lmao “are you confusing the NHS with America” you don’t even know anything about the NHS or how it’s structured hahahaha pathetic. Tell me how senior management above the consultant (if you know what that is) is structured, what are their job titles and explain their roles? Go ahead… Miss “this isn’t America”. Ignorant fool.

[@tomwright9904]

Potentially. But I'd note: * Bullying and supression of whistleblowing often happens *within the medical staff* * Management don't necessarily have that much power over medical staff I agree that there is a disconnect there and this causes problems and that if people with a medical background were in management they might "now what was going on better". It's just I view management more as bystanders than the source of the problem.

[@banana9106]

There needs to be a completely anonymous system for reporting concerns in this country, so that people in ANY industry can raise concerns without having their careers ruined and that the concerns can be investigated properly rather than being covered up. There also needs to be a ban on pretty much forcing people to sign confidentiality agreements to get outstanding wages and references that don't trash people's reputations.

[@Sandals578]

Is this not a thing in Britain?! I would have thought it’s available especially in the health services. There’s anonymous hotlines we can use for everyone here in the states whether you are an employee, or a customer.

[@banana9106]

@@Sandals578 Don't know about the health service. But put it this way. I worked for an employer that was up to all sorts. It had multiple prosecutions for both health and safety incidents and for pollution. BUT that was just the tip of the iceberg of what they actually got caught out doing. Lots of stuff went under the radar and people were expected to fudge the results. I wouldn't and lost my job as a consequence. I had about 6 weeks pay outstanding plus outstanding holiday pay, had to sign a non disclosure agreement to get that plus a neutral reference. If I identified the company, they would sue the arse off me.

[@Sandals578]

@@banana9106 should have fought back against it. Now they are just going to keep inflicting that mess onto everyone else unchecked.

[@banana9106]

@@Sandals578 Thing is, if you rock the boat then they fire you like that did me. If you have no reference, then it is difficult to get a job and being fired means you get no welfare money. I an not wealthy and could not afford to stand up to them.

[@dreama1375]

@@banana9106 Did you have any evidence? If you had, then you couldn't fear their lawsuits, right?

[@vwmusicplaylist1935]

Disgusting. Those senior managers at that trust should be sent to prison.

[@catdcambs]

You are right. They are never held to account, just moved on to another hospital to spread their poison there.

[@ThatMuslimDoctor]

I'm a junior doctor in the NHS and I pray my family members stay healthy. The NHS is crumbling, it can't cope.

[@Goole1947]

My Grandfather just died from poor patient care from the GP and hospital. It's disgusting to say the least :(.

[@ThatMuslimDoctor]

@@Goole1947 may he rest in peace, I'm so sorry for your loss 😔

[@DR-M-K]

I agree. Privatisation is coming. Americans are coming. Wait and see

[@aliross953]

Make no mistake, it is a controlled demolition.

[@amandaallen1898]

It is not just your family. It is everyone you took the hippocratic oath for!

[@louiseberman4241]

The NHS shouldn't have business managers in senior roles. They have no nursing or medical background and have no idea what the state is on the ground. Nurses who are strong both mentally and physically are so worn down they are crying. Why would you have a business manager thinking they can understand this. Patient safety is paramount. It's the baseline ethos of the NHS!

[@BsktImp]

Can't get rid myself of the nagging yet obviously unsubstantiated suspicion that some nefarious "higher-ups" somewhere have a mission to ensure the NHS is run into the ground...

[@deborahwyndham-lewis5188]

Totally agree! It’s not a health service anymore it’s a corporate horror service

[@mikeharvey9811]

Yes watch Bob Gill, a doctor who made a film about the privatisation called the great nhs heist. Barb

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@theancientsancients1769]

@@deborahwyndham-lewis5188 The National Killer Service NKS I call them now

[@deborahwyndham-lewis5188]

@@theancientsancients1769 I agree with you 100% I managed to save my stepfather last May from being put on end of life when he was most definitely not dying! A DNR was put on him and he was starved of water, they get away with it as no one is allowed to visit! But I turned up anyway and found him gasping for water and was even told off for giving him a drink! We got him out but sadly after a spell in a care home near to his real daughter they got him with the double booster and flu shot October this year! I’m still in shock

[@LukaszStolarczuk]

That's it? lol BBC didn't try too hard to discover the truth and get to the bottom of the problem. It's all over the country like this I work for NHS and I can see failure of our management. You see people in post who got no idea how to run a department and many times it comes to a single decision to just take an interest in what you suppose to do and not friends promoting friends because they imagine that when you are on the management level then you don't need to work as hard as everybody with a lower band. Disgrace.

[@wonderfulwenna2710]

Let’s hope the N.H.S. gets the proper help from the right people!

[@jamieharper2554]

What the state funded channel didn’t point the finger at the govt enough….surprise. The govt make the rules they’re to blame

[@jamieharper2554]

@@wonderfulwenna2710 it won’t because the govt are people who understand nothing about the normal life 95% of us lead. They’re not real people so they couldn’t care less, they do their time as an Mp and take as much cash from the public purse as possible. Scum!

[@alexisjames5894]

The rot starts at the top and filters down. They should stop putting freemasonic businessmen at the top and find some hard working patient orientated nursing sisters or charge nurses to promote and stop giving the job to businesspeople who know naff all about quality of care

[@justadude8369]

Who would've thought that a 20 something year old with a 2:1 in mickey mouse studies whose never step foot in a hospital ward would be so utterly useless at running a hospital department eh

[@doricetimko332]

I imagine this happens in other places too. Sad that dedicated doctors are forced or ignored right out of their jobs.

[@bamboogirl365]

Same here in the Philippines. One doctor's house was raised by the police.

[@bamboogirl365]

@cherishedcatlover2943 yes that's true ! Human lives are not important anymore. They don't respect the sanctity of human lives.

[@jiolion-zion9716]

This has been happening for the longest time but when anyone says anything they are bullied and harrased it doesn't matter if they are staff or patients.

[@CharlesOO]

Very true

[@njkip]

I have first hand at this, I worked for a local authority I was a union rep, I raised issues of fraud, bullying, homophobic abuse...I got kicked out of work...I was on paid leave for four years and ended up losing my job of 31 years...there's no protection for anyone who raises concerns...something needs to drastically change....

[@jiolion-zion9716]

@@njkip im sorry to hear that, the problem is that a lot of the institutions that are lauded as great are actually corrupt and full of bullies ,but the system is so large your reasonable complaints get lost in a sea of other complaints ,they put more energy into punishing those who are trying to fix the system than to simply make the changes, if they continue this way the system will eventually implode under the pressure of silenced complaints,hope you're doing better. I wish you all the best.

[@ashafahafzal966]

@@njkip that happened to me I worked with the service for 15 years and I got sacked due to endometriosis they said we can’t wait around for your surgery and sacked me on teams I wanted to become a nurse like my late sister areema nasreen who died for the nhs With covid I was working same hospital she died no remorse no support now Iv had my surgery I end up loosing my hole uterus ovaries tubes and cervix I’m only 33 I wanted to have more kids 😭but because of there pressure and stress my endometriosis got worse over 3 months period I lost everything they owe me unpaid wages when ever I said I’m Getting bullied our unfair treated they would warn me with a final warning NHS manor hospital have ruined my life completely 😭💔💔

[@tomwright9904]

There was a report on the matter (see the section whistle blowing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_(England) ) . I don't know if one can do better than prominently mention the problem with bullying on the NHS wikipedia page.

[@thisismetoday]

And who's speaking out - a doctor from Greece and another one from Holland. British people should think about that!

[@alexisjames5894]

A tip to newly reg nurses . If the staffing isn’t safe . Complete an incident form and keep a copy for yourself . It’s the only way I got safe numbers of staffing. Unfortunately they just nicked staff from other wards leaving them short but you have to cover your a**e. The NHS management wouldn’t spit on you if you were on fire .

[@daisyroots8926]

They won’t act down either Alexis… when I was a midwife with no time for a break to eat or pee, those in charge were dancing around their office and having a takeaway they’d had delivered … absolutely disgusting

[@tomjamesf]

This is at most nhs trusts, I left last week, just couldn’t handle the bullying

[@samiibnyunus7478]

I'm so sorry to hear this. Would it be possible for you to elaborate? I just applied to med school and am strongly reconsidering studying in the UK.

[@aizenosaimafidon1119]

@@samiibnyunus7478 studying in the UK is fine, I’m in medical school in London and I love it

[@shairafaiza7261]

@@samiibnyunus7478 don't work for the NHS if you can help it!! private is a better option for doctors and nurses. you never know what might happen in the future! definitely study here if you get the chance and if things go downhill practise somewhere else in the world. good luck.

[@theancientsancients1769]

@@samiibnyunus7478 The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@catdcambs]

Why didn’t you it in writing to the hierarchy of the hospital. Chief executive is a good place to start and follow on to their minions.

[@DrJayPlays]

This is also why NHS staff strike.

[@thisismetoday]

And in other European countries you can start cancer treatment the same week, if you are suspected to have cancer. No wonder the two people that spoke out are doctors from the EU.

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@lormace3352]

Who is checking these managers?

[@aabarcellos]

Poor doctors …managers could be ruining our nhs..WHERE IS THE CQC.

[@riverdonoghue9992]

Cqc is useless

[@catdcambs]

Chief executive should step down. All this happened on their watch.

[@misswaychannel9186]

I whistleblew after seeing another Nurse abuse patients and I quit my Nursing career, Plus I witnessed a lot of Nurse and Doctors start from being enthusiastic to loosing their empathy. I had to REALY reflect and now Im an IT engineer. I miss looking after my patients, but the system just won't let you. The workload, slowness e in coordination within the NHS will blow your mind... Yet we all pay tax. (Deep Sigh)

[@alexh6767]

I think a lot of people who are nurses were working class high school bullies who thrived on their teachers bias on them to get higher in school. The other kids who were mostly poor don't have access to a lot of careers, not only that it's not very accessible courses when you have to travel long distances which is becoming unaffordable

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@represent3508]

@@alexh6767 high school bullies come on, I definitely wasn't a bully most nurses weren't we joined nursing to make a difference but the NHS breaks you changes you as a person a very dysfunctional broken system.

[@tea-chip-cookies]

​@@alexh6767I disagree with this fully. I don't think it starts from school bullies.

[@mikematthews2750]

I saw different abuse - lazy health visitors in my local PCT who did the barest minimum and often went off sick but retired on good pensions. I told my wife to report thrm but she was scared of the consequences.

[@paulastarkey9973]

Bullies should not be tolerated

[@iveinlon]

Another NHS trust even bigger - St Georges hospital Tooting - my very close friend waiting for lung cancer treatment - 142 days !!

[@xena2559]

Absolutely filthy behaviour to persecute people this way.

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@amrik1096]

Perhaps the BBC should follow up on the suicides of doctors that have worked for this trust?

[@julietcrowson3503]

Hopefully no doctors or other staff do this. It would be corporate man's. Or ter. 😴😴😴😴

[@justadude8369]

@@julietcrowson3503 theres been at least a few cases from just this hospital, one was in the news only recently (as in last week)

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@julietcrowson3503]

@@justadude8369 Pray ✝️🌌🙏🕊️⛪

[@juliar2462]

I remember doctors regularly ignoring the fact that one of my family members has been admitted to emergency because he would be in so much pain, and after they put drugs into him they just let him out and give zero f... what happens next

[@je6874]

I know about this hospital through colleagues and am not at all surprised… sadly, it’s not the only hospital with this culture and it really does affect patient care.

[@celinase]

This is straight up injustice and immorality

[@snsn7251]

Some things will never change. No accountability

[@julietcrowson3503]

God is watching all of us

[@amandaallen1898]

NHS workers are fearful for their jobs. That is the only reason why more people do not speak up.

[@neloangelo84]

Risking your livelihood and career to expose a corrupt system is admirable...but let's be honest it's not worth the risk. Why would anyone whistleblow you can't work in the Trust after you go down this route.

[@amandaallen1898]

@@neloangelo84 Who wants to work for that trust anymore? Not me 🙂

[@giani1680]

But Brexiteers say that there is no corruption in England

[@simonmorgan225]

Grow up

[@giani1680]

@@simonmorgan225 anything to say about a system corrupt to the bone? I do not believe you can blame the eu or migrants for that

[@kylebewley7790]

@@simonmorgan225think its you who needs to grow up you mug. Open your eyes ffs nobhead 😅

[@TheMoose9000]

This happens in every hospital trust in my experience it’s not a one off

[@MANIVANNAN94]

A state of Tamil Nadu in india with Population of 80 Million Serves people without any waiting time.. You can see doctor within hours and if necessary you can consult speciality Doctor within day and if any operation needed can be done within few days.. This is possible because efficient Primary Secondary ans territory care But with highest income tax NHS couldn't serve properly.. You have to study the success model and implement it. Make more Primary health centre which will be used to treat Normal fever cold and Pregnancy Checkups .. Which will reduce the burden on Territory Hospitals.. Also avoid Unnecessary Tests

[@solapowsj25]

Standard protocol: 20 minutes OPD consultation. Immediately for emergency. 23 hour follow for ER and CAS. The consultant mans the 20 min construction. The resident sees to emergencies. I remember attending the dispensaries every alternate day in a 100 km radius around our hospital. A few of the 60-100 patients seen would come to our hospital. Juvenile diabetic. Strangulation of hernia. Volvulus. Acute , ruptured spleen/mesenteric vessel. Sorry, but we can't waste one second.

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@catdcambs]

The inquiry outcome for this trust is much welcomed today. Staff are not allowed to speak out. The speak up guardians are like the inquisition and it must have been known, by people in high position for years. Shameful in this century such practices are allowed to happen. This hinders reports for the trust on all levels. This is just one layer of many onions, if you think this is happening in one trust, the public have been misinformed. All public sector work places should be reviewed, let’s put it that way.

[@matthewbright8182]

After having a major operation in heartlands hospital I was given and intercostal drain, it was left in for over 2 months and got seriously infected. I was bed ridden and in sheer agony until finally I took myself back to the hospital and demanded it was taken out. I thought that would be the end of that but no they left me with major damage to nerves and now I've got intercostal neuralgia for the rest of my long pain-filled life.

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@keithgoodrick-meech3921]

This also happens in local authorities. When you point out mistakes or errors and especially waste you become a marked man.

[@evelynvanzale4757]

It's the same in many GP Practices, unfortunately! They profile patients and basically categorise patients in order of influence and perceived importance!!

[@kylebewley7790]

@@evelynvanzale4757that explains a lot for me. Thanks 🙏

[@compass2201]

"Requires improvement" equates to "absolute shytehole". As an ex CQC inspector, it's not that difficult to get a decent rating unless you're really screwing up on the very basics

[@nomsi4263]

Watching this only made me angry. The number of times my mother was in pain, and they told her to take painkillers. When she went to short out a family funeral in Brazil, she went to the doctors there and found out her blood pressure was terrible, and she was suffering from multiple other problems. This NHS needs to be destroyed so we can build a new one. Change needs to happen or people are going to suffer and die!

[@Qwerty-tw7ku]

you can't build a new one, nhs being government funded will always remain crap, the only hope is for it to become privatised

[@laurenanderson4712]

Have you seen the state of fully privatised health care?

[@patrikvavro1611]

@@laurenanderson4712 who’s saying it needs to be fully privatised? You can have a healthcare system that’s mostly privately funded and partially subsidised by the government for those who can’t afford private insurance.

[@shairafaiza7261]

@@Qwerty-tw7ku it was never this bad

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@debtanswell6925]

I was damaged by Hertfordshire NHS trust. this report scares the SHxt out of me. My experience was 25 yrs ago, I am one person that thankfully fully recovered, except I never go near doctors. I am so sorry for everyone working and receiving this treatment. One thing, we need is more brave doctors to speak out, walk out, and do something. everyone knew my surgeon was ill and should not be working, but nobody stopped him until I went to the press.

[@banana9106]

Doctor should have been put on sick leave until better or retired if his condition was untreatable.

[@Espiritu_de_Obiwon]

Doctors don't get a platform. Those higher up the hierarchy try their best to suppress complaints, concerns and carry out many cover ups. It's insulting for not only doctors but regular working people. They know that doctors go to uni for 5 years, specialise for 2 years and even a further 6-8 years of specialisation depending on the profession, and so threats to end their hard work, progress and essentially their careers are so easy.

[@banana9106]

@@Espiritu_de_Obiwon I agree with that and that means that independent and impartial investigations are needed.

[@jazzragu]

@@Espiritu_de_Obiwon yup, plus additional Diplomas, Certificates, MSc programs, PhDs and endless courses, E-learning, appraisals… and all this when things are running smoothly. Then there’s the cost of these, plus indemnity, GMC fees, fear of vexatious complaints, additional hours of work which goes unpaid. What a vocation to choose! ❤ for people who do this.

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@sparky687]

All comments are good but what is the real issue? I put it to you this. Senior management is unfit for purpose. Very good at getting into role but once in almost unacceptable, at every day level and usually very narcissistic. No two, five and ten years planning. Everything is based on a twelve month cycle. I also find that they don't have an in depth understanding of the organisation they are trying to manage. Scapegoating anyone who raises issues and just NOT LISTENING. So obvious but also so difficult to unroot.

[@riverdonoghue9992]

This is widespread in all areas of health and social care. I saw it everywhere I worked including charities. I never come across a situation where whistleblowers were supported by senior management for advocating for paitents or service users.

[@whateversunpopular1338]

MPs making fools of themselves on telly when they should be doing their job? Like we haven’t seen enough of that lately.

[@dianamincher6479]

Yours might be the next never event and you'll be looking at your coffin!

[@MrSteet67]

It's always been like that. I've known two people resign from the trust now because their concerns they've raised about consistent issues are not dealt with to full extent or at all.

[@AmmyNoUzume]

Too much bureaucracy. Papers, pills, spreadsheets. NHS is out of control. In the States I could get a doc, scan or meds same day.

[@heliotropezzz333]

It's not that at all. Years of underfunding and underpayment of staff have ensured many hospitals are in debt and have a high turnover of staff with high vacancy levels. The management is often brought in from the private sector with financial targets to meet to avoid their contracts being ended. There's a lot of cost cutting and rationing. Bureaucracy in the American system is actually higher but it's a profit driven system. People who are covered by health insurance can get treatment quickly but those not covered my not be able to afford treatment. The Tories have always preferred the idea of a private system and the suspicion is that they are content to let the NHS fail in order to bring about a move to a private system. Many parts of the NHS have been privatised (such as some primary care and ambulance services) but the money for that still comes from the taxpayer funded NHS budget. Profit and shareholder payments is the siphoning off of funds that could otherwise be used for healthcare.

[@whatayaDO543]

@@heliotropezzz333 i mean, China, USA, Russia, all of them are pretty much the same with no Free healthcare. Scandanavian countries have free healthcare but you can look up HOW they got there to begin with.... souls have to be selled, but it's worth having things free

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@whatayaDO543 Just google. Russia has free healthcare. China is more complicated but about 95% of the population is covered by basic health insurance. I don't think souls are sold in Scandinavian countries.

[@whatayaDO543]

@@heliotropezzz333 are you dense? Russians and Chinese don't have free Healthcare, only the ultra Rich does. They copied the US to a t, and even America's awful unsafe road designs by making every road wider. I suggest you actually live in Russia and China first before saying false information, I'm actually half Chinese and Half Russian who lived there. If you say the Soviet Union, then I believe you.

[@daniela.costanza]

This is really concerning

[@Randomstuff77654]

Disgusting. You know if things go terribly they'll pin it on the doctors too

[@dancing_reaper2046]

My mother was given steroids before chemotherapy but they did not check her stomach acidity levels before giving the steroids. It is textbook to neutralise the stomach before administering the steroids. They didn’t or forgot. It nearly killed her. It ruptured her colon on day 3 after the therapy causing urine and feces to mix in her blood stream. The pain was unbearable… by sheer luck I happened to visit her otherwise she was dead on the floor. After a fight for an ambulance… 45 minutes which was there in 6 after I swore and said she’ll be dead… if they don’t prioritise her… once Emergency got her they moved swiftly 🙏🏻 she had 6 pipes in her after Surgery her only task was to breath deep breaths and avoid infection… So much more I could say. I got to see the best and worst of nhs in one go but this was 2016 … now in 2022/3 it’s got worse … this investigation and many others need to be done and plastered on cover page news. We Pay our Taxes the beaurcratic management cannot play God with our taxes. We must show them who is boss

[@soniakorchynski]

Ha, ha, no health and no care. If you do he right thing, you're out. OMG.

[@rimsharehman4709]

Isn't this same trust where recently a doc has committed suicide?

[@sandhyasrinivas6295]

😮 never heard of this , was it in the news ?

[@DrJayPlays]

Yeah it is. Birmingham are having a nightmare, however uts worth nothing that it is common in many others trusts, but only Birmingham has made it the mainstream level atm.

[@rimsharehman4709]

@@sandhyasrinivas6295 it was..infact two years ago a new IMG committed in this same trust ..

[@narrativequestion]

tip of the ice-burg.

[@tea-chip-cookies]

I was a student nurse in 2014 for 1 year, and the staff members were absolutely horrid towards me throughout the whole year. I realised that there was something completely wrong with the system when it comes to complaints about workplace bullying *which affects patient care* very very badly. It left me traumatised so badly that I left the course and never continued on to 2nd year.

[@morahman3110]

Sorry to hear this honestly there’s some people that are lead astray and take frustration on others which is simply toxic and no one deserves to deal with ohh Yhis

[@victoriaakomolafe7132]

This is why matrons should now be allowed to manage their wards as it used to be in the olden days when the quality of patient care was at its highest.

[@BsktImp]

The thing is, without the utterly, utterly vile enablers - aka HR "business partners" (wtf!) - who, on paper pretend to "support" employees but in reality are there *_solely_* to facilitate the Peter Principle incompetents line-manage reports out of their jobs (and often careers and yes even lives!), it would be much harder for systemic, management and executive failures to be swept under the carpet. HR personnel who engage in managing-out are the camp guard scum of organisations and I have no idea how they sleep at night. I can only imagine they get off on holding kangaroo court disciplinary and capability "meetings" and keep a running total of employees sacked. Vile creatures.

[@andrewwigley3098]

This happens across the board, trusts and organisations. It’s truly shocking and heartbreaking. If you don’t care about people DONT work for the nhs

[@theancientsancients1769]

The NHS killed my mother! I can never forgive them! I had to do CPR myself as the doctors watched on. They did a genocide during pandemic the NHS , never trust them !

[@neloangelo84]

You're making a generalisation that a majority of NHS staff turn up to work to not care about patients...yes there are a few bad apples, but it's really hard to turn up to work at 7am and do a 10 hour shift just to be horrible to people? The issue is complex and I think there's an intrinsic issue with how the NHS was set up and trying to manage a growing/aging population while society also becomes more 'letigious and open'. Before anyone starts talking about too many middle managers being paid money doing desk jobs...them managers are in place for a reason, who do you think deals with the complaints and Freedom of info requests......a clue it's not PALs. Hospital managers are the way they are because they are trying to run an archaic healthcare system.

[@paulineon6554]

I agree with you I was admitted two years ago following a heart attack and the staff couldn’t give a stuff about any patients. They just wanted to sit around the nurses station drinking coffee and joking on. I was a nurse myself years ago but in those days we cared. Disgraceful how the NHS has been run down like it is.

[@mattevans4377]

The government has their fingers in this pie. There won't be any reform, because you'd also have to reform the government to change anything....

[@rGxDale]

Sack every person in the NHS management. Start again.

[@banana9106]

NHS managers are a waste of money that should be being spent on nurses and doctors.

[@rGxDale]

@@banana9106 I'm sure they do have a function. Come dam I hope so. just seems they don't do it ay

[@heliotropezzz333]

The Tories have brought private sector management into the NHS, often without experience of health management, because they assume the private sector management will ensure efficiency. They are mostly on contracts where they can be sacked for not meeting financial/cost targets. If you started again, the Tories would ensure the same kind of managers ended up in the NHS. What's needed is a change of government.

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@banana9106 Management are there to manage the money and ensure no waste. Many of them have been brought in from the private sector. Health of patients is a secondary issue. Many NHS Trusts are in debt due to years of underfunding.

[@rGxDale]

​@@heliotropezzz333 K I revise statement to "start again with another management style". You speak of business as if its bad. A business will do what makes money. What makes money is what people buy. What makes business bad is monopoly. Thing with employment in the uk is that staff aren't able to be stacked. and therefore adding better digital solutions is impossible, since why have 2 things that can do the same job. and most people don't for the live of them want to train to do something else. in the nhs theres no imperative to do anything other then save people. But the nhs uses money, so ........... why would you not want someone to be able to be sacked. If someone better for the role comes into play, then its better for everyone if that better person is used instead of the other person. You know that money dons't exist and it just a proxy for a persons demand, right? You want people to be able to issue demand? Right?

[@MCroppered]

It is intentional. It’s clear as day. Ask someone who makes up this “management”, and no one would be able to answer.

[@amandaallen1898]

Individuals have a right to write their version. It is the injustice that does not get rectified.

[@assiduous_yogi]

Shocking, but not surprising 🤦‍♂️

[@SallyS240]

Disgraceful 😢

[@johnsmith-yv7rp]

This is pretty scary considering the amount of effort many staff put in especially over covid. I’ve completed 4 years of qualifications trying to enter the NHS and the doubt that I’ve chosen the wrong career is pretty high but I really wanna work in healthcare. Maybe I’m naive but it was always a dream years ago…

[@evelynvanzale4757]

'Especially over covid'!! I'm guessing you don't know how much time and application is required to choreograph Tik-Tok routines! I work in the NHS and I can assure you that the hospital, indeed all the hospitals, were nigh-on empty!! We never had so much time on our hands!!!

[@katieleighh]

I’m under the liver team in the qehb and they are the nicest most caring team I’ve ever met, the nurses on the wards are incredible too

[@kylebewley7790]

That’s great for you. But you’re not the majority. Stop gas lighting and get real ffs 🤦‍♂️

[@katieleighh]

@@kylebewley7790 I didn’t say that was everyone’s experience?? I’m just sharing mine so how tf is that gaslighting??

[@urty2978]

If this is the case, why do we have the NHS freedom to speak up policies, there were many safeguarding policies introduced to protect whistleblowers in the wake of the Francis report due to failings on a widespread scale at Mid Staffordshire hospital. Clearly, this has been inadequate.

[@evelynvanzale4757]

Box-ticking and lip service; nothing more!!

[@catdcambs]

@@evelynvanzale4757 Correct, it is a box ticking exercise and to pick out the person “ who is defiant” in their words, not helpful.

[@salujawilliams3771]

It's same everywhere.

[@kathryngannon485]

The Tories have totally wrecked this country.

[@dianemorarji9033]

This is very very sad

[@suppernana5110]

Your so true to your words and act knowledgeable cases.

[@Carol-tz3up]

Power in the wrong hands can be dangerous

[@montam26]

Now can you make a video about this decades long build of Midland Metropolitan Hospital for the Sandwell and West Midlands NHS Trust

[@outrageisthepastime5736]

When has a hospital ever accepted liability any complaints made they will say the classic cards of patient misses appointments so on. You moan at a hospital for bad care you end up being treated like crap , or you end up dead.

[@MiddleAgedAndWinginIt]

Many times. I used to date a med neg solicitor. The NHS pay out millions every year

[@outrageisthepastime5736]

@@MiddleAgedAndWinginIt Yeah sure !

[@user-st4en3rx2x]

The NHS is a brilliant concept that has got out of control. Expanding into mega hospital resorts is bring the NHS spending into overdrive. As an example I remember local Hospitals that were loccal and a lot smaller, run by the lead Consultant and Administrator. They hired, fired and purchased evrything becuaese they were hands on and at ground level. Thats what the NHS needs to be.

[@MsLeewood]

Name the management if you have left.

[@mikmike5475]

It got too big to manage. Heartlands hospital trust was doing so good it was asked to take over the running of Solihull hospital again with success then came the take over of good hope. I don't know which hospitals came after that because I was medically discharged from working at heartland's suffering from depression, anxiety and stress burnout.

[@mikmike5475]

@@ididgood5775 I worked at Heartland's for 18 years. I wanted to transfer to Solihull for my mental health but the management at Heartland's would let me.

[@BlueWaterCleaning]

The things my wife sees and goes through as a nurse is horrifying if the public ever knew 😳

[@evelynvanzale4757]

Maybe it's time she blew the whistle, as cautiously and anonymously as possible, of course!! As the old adage goes, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem and turning a blind eye is vicarious culpability!!

[@Kikiconsilience]

As a kidney failure patient I witnessed so much! But people don’t believe me that it can be this bad

[@icilmaa]

What like people purposely being overdosed on morphine or perhaps a tube giving oxygen to a patient being disconnected ? Some of the things I've heard and have no doubts they're genuine are criminal and evil.

[@tabby7189]

As if public trust in the healthcare system was not already broken

[@BlackBerryJuice82]

This all boils down to corruption and money grabbing. Hospitals are a business first, and that is the problem. Right now I've had a sharp pain on the right side of my head and neck, it hurts my head when I swallow. I'm scared but don't see the point in trying to contact a Dr because u know there will be no help.

[@pussygalore731]

Go see a good chiropractor

[@arfatali1337]

If youve been threatened and bullied. Name and shame the management on here. Post their email addresses.

[@arshtruth3649]

Couldn't because we are liable to professional standards and guidelines. We could only complaint or raise concerns

[@arfatali1337]

@@arshtruth3649 I know id rather lose my job in a toxic environment and expose those cockroaches, rather than take shit from people who are sucking the NHS dry

[@ligiailean1852]

Will be to good to be solved so easy! Unfortunately it is not! It is like an octopus!🐙😱 Or like a dragon with too many heads!🐉👹

[@Whatmobiledeal]

This isn’t new. I mean this happens in all organisations. You speak the truth, you’re out and 100% never going to progress anywhere other than the exit door. This is life unfortunately.

[@LiiLaGiusta]

This problem is everywhere in UK! Just come and check North London what is going on!!! I have knee problems and I am waiting since April - May 2022! They send me msg + email to notice me one week ago they cancel my appointment for some reasons and then they apologise, this make me furious!!!! Madnessss...Which hand we are in!!!???

[@compassion333]

Make sure you don't go to North middlesex Hospital. It's the worst. They were going to nearly kill me, causing me to get sepsis after infecting me with mrsa bacteria during c-section.

[@LiiLaGiusta]

@@compassion333 thank you so much for your understanding and advice! I hope 🤞 the situation will improve otherwise it’s just disaster! All the best

[@compassion333]

@@LiiLaGiusta I hope so. Thanks, all the best to you too!

[@mikimclean3159]

I believe it from what I've experienced myself at the hands of bad drs , had to move surgery but problems still follow,I've serious underlying health conditions and have had conditions over looked / ignored, and made sure I only get to see / speak to a few drs and nurses that seem happy to keep it going , so worring, there needs to be more / safer avenues for medical professionals to whistle blow / speak up without affecting there careers and working environment.

[@satk4211]

NHs are terrible I was s harassed and HR completely ignored it. They also mess up our pay constantly. I’m getting out.

[@msimpson2779]

OMG!!!

[@allisonandrews4719]

Welcome to American style health care!!

[@heliotropezzz333]

It's what the Tories always wanted.

[@theancientsancients1769]

The National Killer Service ( NKS) I call them! More people died under their hands than the second world in the UK. Unlawful killing was the norm and doctors want legal protection now

[@kaneezaisha5935]

Honestly, I was recently admitted at the hospital for sepsis treatment. Believe me or not the nurse was shouting at me when I requested her to take me to the toilet. I was so helpless and just couldn't do anything about it. It made me feel worse with such poor treatment. I don't know if I was treated like that only because I am from an ethnic minority.... I can see them protesting against the pay rise but have never seen ppl protesting against their attitude.

[@addysharma7099]

You asked the wrong person...its housekeeping staff's job to take patient to toilet.. she was probably overworked.

[@evelynvanzale4757]

Please don't make this about 'Racism', since lack of empathy and incompetency knows no colour and if you think white people get better treatment, do a bit more research!!

[@addysharma7099]

@@evelynvanzale4757 these people know only to play the race card..can't help it.

[@evelynvanzale4757]

@@addysharma7099 I know but it doesn't make it any less disappointing! The powers that be are doing a sterling job of dividing and conquering and sadly, many are falling for it!

[@misbahkhan1478]

No it's not just hcas job a Nurse can take you to the toilet too they just don't want to most of the time....

[@HassanPoyo]

Disgusting. Playing with peoples careers. Nasty lot, all the way from the trust to the GMC. So many Doctors commit suicide because of these fitness to practice referrals.

[@imwithstupid00011]

Look into the actions of darenth valley hospital in dartford. Quote, a nurse on 14th march 2020 ..."this is murder"!

[@heliotropezzz333]

I guess the management has a private sector mindset i.e. cover up rather than address issues. My brother died at the QE hospital in 2018 and my sister in 2022. I've no evidence that there was any maladministration but my brother had an immune system transfer and yet was not isolated during this vulnerable time. I don't know why. He did share with someone else who had the same procedure. They both got infections when their immune systems were not functioning. My brother died. The other guy recovered from the infection. When I visited my sister and asked the nurse a simple question she appeared to react fearfully before answering me. The management should listen to the medical experts who have the welfare of patients at heart.

[@Paradox370]

i whistleblew on my NHS trust in North London recently and since then, i have been bullied, harrased, intimidated with HR and publicly humiliated by being taken off departmental meetings and so forth. they are abusing me and punishing me to the max for whistleblowing on them.

[@julietcrowson3503]

Unite God is watching even chimps

[@mikeharvey9811]

About time the BBC picked up on this. But it’s probably too late to save the NHS from the USA healthcare model. Barb

[@daisyroots8926]

We need the Australian model

[@riverdonoghue9992]

Same thing happened at st josephs hospice in Hackney.

[@kitkat7370]

I don’t know any doctor happy working at UHB trust, especially Queen Elizabeth. Apparently the work environment is toxic af. I remember when they found a doctor who had committed suicide in the hospital. They found him in a cupboard. I have spoken to senior doctors who stated that they would never want to work at QE ever again. I don’t know about patient treatment, purely because I’ve been a patient at QE and it’s been fine, so I wasn’t aware of this side of things.

[@lks6248]

No longer fit for purpose and a huge money drain…!

[@lks6248]

@@davidnoelfranks1124 , the NHS, but now that you come to mention the government…..!

[@ToniCherub]

NHS needs to change. Birmingham heartlands is so heartless. They had no clue what to do with my own son. His been around a lot of NHS’s trusts over 33 years of his life & it’s never changed. They need to change in more ways than one. Specially mistakes !! How many people sue them & their Solisitor’s they use waste TAX payers funds.

[@monal3650]

I know from experience too shocking to say, too!

[@lindahuseyin4210]

2013 Nth Middx Hospital diagnosed me with a Huge P.E being i waited 11 hours to be seen my back pain excerbated iknew it was that so i was put in a bed & frightened i couldnt speak i discharged myself after hours of screaming pain then 18 mths later the Investigater told me what happened ..was not mine..meanwhile my organs were failing & nothing else was treated I.E Pain....Scared

[@majora8820]

The system is corrupted

[@chocolatefactory3543]

They don't care and don't give informotion to patient nurses are working through agencies very rude and disrespectful.

[@ianbeattie5941]

Not just the NHS. But the issue is their senior HR and the culture they have built. But dont expect the bbc to look into that as there upto their necks in it themself. The parts you hear are only to suit their narative and distract you. Connect the dots!!!!.

[@debbiesharp5910]

Always thought National Insurance contributions... which have significantly increased was to provide Pensions and Health Care...NHS ...the amount paid should be more than enough for these to be of a good standard...!!!!

[@ceefarbs560]

Literally had a consultant at this hospital lie to have me discharged from hospital, months later my issues have gotten worse, 7 months later still waiting for a referral, complained to PALS told it will take up to 65 days to hear back, 4 months later still nothing... country is ruined, congrats if you voted tory

[@daisyroots8926]

It’s been the same under labour… it has nothing to do with politics… in fact Blair let all the immigrants in… so he actually started this terrible decline… Bart’s health is run run by foreigners for foreigners… massive trust for the Bengali population.. prayer rooms and everything.. you won’t see many white faces in a Bart’s Trust Hospital… all labours fault

[@thinkislamcheckmychannel]

It's nothing to do with tory or Labour. They all follow the Big Boss whoever that is

[@SheepofTheShepherd-nu3lz]

''safe and affective'' stabjabs are not ''safe and affective'' truth is being revealed on this agenda for what it be NHS NIH CDC WHO need to be held accountable for this as well

[@joprocter4573]

Why not publish wages n status of all admin. Consultant. Doctor. nurse. Auxillary