Niantic just made HUGE Changes to Raids | Pokemon Go

[@TogeTips]

We FINALLY have word from Niantic, CONFIRMING these changes. That said, they did mention that there may be updates/tweaks based on feedback. x.com/niantichelp/status/1831833501164777666

[@sirgengar1189]

There's no other word for this that it's utter, utter SHITE - Raids have been boring for a while now, no doubt about that. The same old same old, but this update ( and it's absolutely hilarious that Niantic thinks this is acceptable and ok) takes the proverbial biscuit. 1) Mega damage no longer applies/ shows. Brilliant. 2) The clunky dodging is laughable when you factor in there's no warning about in coming moves 3) Party Boost - BROKEN. I did a Kyogre Raid and it used no stop, quite literally rapid fire Hydro pumps. That's still a 100 energy move and it's using them like seed bombs. Dodging is pointless 9/10 unless you clunkily skip around the entire battle field trying to dodge said rapid fire moves. They've always been a joke but this isn't an update it's a game breaker. I have no interest in raiding while this crap is active.

[@88jaspersimmons]

​@@sirgengar1189 Perfectly stated. I have nothing to add except: 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@JLan167]

Finally somebody made a video about this. All the other major pogo youtubers are sooooooo slow to react!! Thanks for the video

[@waterycorn8692]

U can just use pokebattler or other sites there always fastest

[@TogeTips]

No problem! It seemed like a pretty significant issue, so we wanted to get this out as soon as we could!

[@dariosanchez2557]

Facts.

[@kevvoggaming2380]

That’s bc this most likely a bug due to max raids

[@larryfoot3894]

It’s because this video does not involve hunting shiny Pokémon or telling trainers to stick up on ultra balls or whatever generic tips they always give

[@TogeTips]

Edit: As of September 4th, there are reports that the changes have been reverted, but the reports seem inconsistent. No official word from Niantic though! Edit 2: It appears that they are actually CONFIRMED

[@whitebeans7292]

Maybe it had something to do with the Dynamax stuff they were implementing.

[@aconno5013]

Do you have any idea when websites will update to see current best Pokémon of each type??

[@TogeTips]

@Ragman312 It appears we MAY have been mistaken. Some things seem to have changed/reverted, like the HP Bar now being normal size and phantom damage now returned, but I don't think there is enough evidence to say it's fully been reverted. As for Megas, that sounds like they're still not working properly, but I'm not too sure!

[@patrykjafra3633]

Knowing Niantic they will realize all this in about 2 weeks and quietly revert or fix behind the scenes. Don't waste your stardust unless they confirm this is intentional. Mega Lucario getting double nerfed right after raid day is brutal.

[@TogeTips]

Right! I'm definitely not touching any new or existing PvE Pokemon for the time being. No telling if any of this will be reverted.

[@TreFKennedy]

@@TogeTipsnailed it

[@ThBlueSalamander]

That’s what the cosmic levels of greed of live service companies do man… any trick in the book just to squeeze that much more money out of you each subsequent quarter, only to then invalidate the value & terms you agreed to and sacrificed for… then supplant with the next lucrative carrot on a stick to rinse the same cycle all over again.

[@FoxxIsFatal]

Well it just got confirmed lmao

[@YourAvgWeeb]

Is it just me or does the text showing the boss's charged move is being activated most of the time just not show up? I personally liked the old raids better.

[@dariosanchez2557]

I feel like the party play buttom charges slower now.

[@SilvabackSteve]

For sure

[@TogeTips]

Another part of these changes is a pretty significant Bug, which will almost surely be addressed: Mega Pokemon are BROKEN. Mega Evolutions are currently using their base form's stats. So if you battle a Mega Salamence, you're effectively battling a normal Salamence, which is good because you still get Mega Raid rewards, including Energy. However, it also means that if YOU use a Mega Evolution, it will also be the equivalent to using their base form with the lower stats.

[@SavedByGODsGrace777]

No way, that explains why my mega sceptile couldn't take a water hit from shadow Suicune with its double resist! 🤯

[@dustin89clanton]

Does this affect typing or just raw stat numbers?

[@joselitomanat1785]

Even primal Kyogre and primal Groudon have lost their primal boost in raids, putting them in the last slot of the party does not give boost in damage to their party member, party power does not charge if you relobby to revive your dead pokemon :(

[@TogeTips]

@@dustin89clanton That I'm less sure about. It SEEMS to be just stats, but I'll need to do some tests for the typing

[@dcarvalho6144]

Need confirmarion on this matter. For example, if I were to use a Mega Beedril in a Xerneas duo, would I be effectively be using a normal Beedril?

[@TreFKennedy]

And the fact that Fire Spin is now better than Fire Fang is utterly absurd 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@TogeTips]

Absolutely crazy. I'm definitely curious to see if this stays as is or if they do tweak or revert it at some point.

[@TreFKennedy]

@@TogeTips because as a fast move wasn’t Fire Fang always stronger??

[@TogeTips]

@@TreFKennedy Fire Fang was generally better, yes. Fire Spin did have slightly better energy gain per second, but Fire Fang was a quicker fast move and had more damage to make up for it. Now, both are the same duration, Fire Spin is now just objectively better with 2 more damage and energy than Fire Fang. Bummer...

[@raphaeld4313]

Fire spin used to be better than Fire fang. Fang was buffed at some point, way before Reshiram's first release

[@jedijam91]

Well that explains why raid bosses occasionally spam moves. It’s no less frustrating, but I’ll take an explanation over nothing.

[@urayoan1952]

Dodging feels horrible

[@TogeTips]

Agreed. It does work properly now, with you no longer dodging a charged move that gives you "phantom damage," but it still feels slow and clunky, which I hate as well

[@osk4r99]

Like me never dodge 😎

[@nin10yen]

I was literally saving and spam evolving mudkip for XLs to max out my shadow only to be hit with the changes. This is so sad

[@QuiteLunacy]

We've been wondering why the dodge sucks even more now😭

[@luluu1017]

bruh Excadrill w/ metalclaw+iron being much better than Metagross w/bulletpunch+meteormash as raid attacker is just absurd lmao

[@dirtydan4492]

that kinda blows ngl

[@marshmelons5963]

What's worse is it's also better than shadow metagross with meteor mash wtf

[@yungakhi]

Decidueye and Meowscarada over Kartana is insane. I never thought I’d see the day..

[@LifesMike]

Why? Probably optimizations to existing code so more can be added using the same amount of data

[@bartfourie8359]

Has anyone noticed that when in a party, if your first team dies you cant use party attack anymore?

[@TogeTips]

That's another bug that would presumably be fixed. But yes, as of now, if you faint out and return to the lobby, Party power is disabled

[@Arko777777]

On the other hand, Necrozma Dawn Wings is even more boosted now that Moongeist Beam and Shadow Claw got buffed. Using Moongeist Beam with a Party Power feels even more nukeish than before.

[@patrykjafra3633]

Yup 😂 All you really need now for PvE is 5 Dusk Mane Necrozmas , 5 Dawn Wings Necrozmas and 1 each of the most powerful Megas (Groudon,Kyogre,Rayquaza) and you have a raid team that deals insane dmg with party power against pretty much everything. Totally broken 👌😎

[@Roffinxd]

YT recommend me this and I'm glad. Great vid 👍🏻

[@15OgLoc]

I just played today during kyogre legendary raid hour, I noted all these changes I also want to add, party power seems different, slower and I think its related to the different turns for attacks implemented.

[@TreFKennedy]

Zekrom and Reshiram getting nerf offends me and makes me atrabilious 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and Dope Vid too Toge

[@TogeTips]

I hear that! Reshiram really got done dirty especially...

[@ShirleyCarlton]

@@TogeTipsthat’s one of my shundos 😭

[@TogeTips]

Oh no!

[@Houndlock643]

Probably to make White and Black Kyruem all that more stronger ig…

[@dcarvalho6144]

​@@Houndlock643 nah, Niantic just messed up, probably trying to change some things in raids, and broke everything else.

[@cbowwow8296]

Kyogre used blizzard Kyogre used blizzard Kyogre used blizzard Kyogre used blizzard Kyogre used blizzard Kyogre used blizzard All your pokémon have fainted All this in less than 25 seconds into the raid

[@TogeTips]

Yeahhh, that was such a dark time for raiding....

[@dcarvalho6144]

Thanks for the video. I was wondering why the rankings in GoHub were all messed up, but this explains it. In short, Niantic fumbled again. Btw, Dusk Mane Necrozma was already stronger than Shadow Metagross, but now they made it a lot stronger. 22 DPS for Shadow Metagross, and 32 DPS for Dusk Mane is crazy, straight up broken.

[@charakiga]

While all of these changes nerf a lot of things that shouldn't be... it buffs a lot of weaker grass and electric types that I only have, so for Kyogre raids, that's perfect for me!

[@fish2759]

Great. All those Kartana I worked so hard for are now near worthless. Awesome. Thanks Niantic.

[@BlackBaron001]

Really well made and concise video. Subscribed!

[@waterycorn8692]

When will niantic confirm this thenselves? I dont want to change my movesets untill they officaily annlunce sth in case they revert or "fix" these changes

[@TogeTips]

That's the thing! This could definitely be reverted or changed. We don't know if this is how things will be going forward or if this all is unintentional. We're definitely hoping Niantic gives some word on these changes.

[@waterycorn8692]

@@TogeTips hope they at least eventually get to it rather then just making it silent buffs and nerfs

[@dcarvalho6144]

​@@waterycorn8692 these don't seem to be nerfs or buffs, it seems that Niantic just messed up. For example, Dusk Mane Necrozma was already overpowered, just like it's sibling Dawn Wings, so it wouldn't make any sense to buff either of them even more. It also wouldn't make sense to make Blaze Kick better than Blast Burn, or Spark being this OP monstrosity. If Niantic wants to keep these changes to how raid attackers work, they need to redo almost every single move to make it make sense.

[@nikunjraghav9680]

Can I get my stardust back that I built up for powering up two hundo kartanas?

[@ChrisM-qo1jc]

New here and I'm pleasantly surprised how well presented this was. Looking forward to the next videos!

[@RF1octane]

Wait, they said that the moves buff and nerfs were gonna only be implemented in the GBL raids stay the same. Where did you get all of this from?

[@michaelbreaks331]

Baxcalibur got nerfed. It was on top like right above or below shadow mamoswine and now shadow weavile is top ice type.

[@raphaeld4313]

Baxcalibur was really not too close to shadow Mamoswine. Just about reg Mamo level

[@erminogorinac7355]

Nice video. Where can I find the spreadsheets you are showing at 5 minute mark?

[@TogeTips]

Thanks! Apologies, I did forget to link the reddit posts in the description, but both are now there! Here is the post with that spreadsheet though: www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/1f55mbb/raid_attacker_ranking_shuffles_under_current_raid/

[@tiagopacifico9230]

And here I was thinking I was going crazy when I felt raiding differently! Thank you so much!

[@ascrub2158]

Why has no one talked about the changes to the primals and Rayquaza, they now only give a mega boost while being active instead of just being on the team?

[@TogeTips]

Interesting, I hadn't seen that mentioned anywhere. As of yesterday, Primal Kyogre's damage bonus seemed to still be active for Chris while mine was in the back of my team.

[@Wublee]

Tbh they should make raidbosses harder but if you are good player you could solo them. Atm its just spam attack dont dodge. There should be atleast some type of skill mechanic. Make dodging more impactful etc.

[@dcarvalho6144]

We don't need raid bosses to be harder. Players in smaller areas already struggle to beat them, so the harder they become, less players are able to beat them and will either start spoofing or quit the game. Players should be rewarded for duos and trios though. The fact that players in a full lobby get more rewards than players duo'd it is insane.

[@ZeroThreeJuice]

@@dcarvalho6144 He means the fight should be more skillbased instead of just a hp bar you throw your counters at. They won’t change this though. This means that if you’re good, you can do the raids easier which would be better for rural players.

[@dcarvalho6144]

@@ZeroThreeJuice The problem is, how would you make that happen? Raids are supposed to be simple, specially when you have to go out, so you can't try to replicate Elden Ring type bosses. Dodging isn't that much about skill, and more about how good is your phone, with older devices lagging way too much to make it consistent. It's very hard to make raids skill based, without overcomplicating things. I'd much rather have raid related challenges, like a weekly timed research, that awards rarer items, such as rare candies, rare XL candies, elite TMs, or even an encounter with a legendary. These challenges could include "Duo Xerneas", "Trio Mega Rayquaza", "Duo Genesect with 6 unique pokemon", etc. You could only complete them once, just like any other timed research, and they would be tied to whatever was currently in raids. These would be skill based enough, without affecting raid mechanics.

[@joaoalmeida5926]

wtf this is horrible... The raid meta should only change by new additions or buffs (new moves for pokemons)... nerfs for pokemons people invested is just stupid. Another niantic L

[@magmarman2633]

I don't agree with this. There are only so many moves that can be added to Pokemon, especially since we need to use the same items to get specific movesets for both PvE and PvP (I.e Excadrill wanting Mud Slap/Metal Claw and Scorching Sands/Iron Head for raids depending on what it's facing, but wanting Mud Shot, Rock Slide and Drill Run for PvP). Buffing moves that were otherwise outclassed such as Fire Spin (which is on a LOT of mons compared to Fire Fang) allows people to use more "budget" options effectively. For example, instead of having to max out a Reshiram (which is probably something like 60 raids), you can use Chandelure, which is a CD mon and usually features in events around October/November. Plus it's not like Resh is completely worthless; it's still got some great numbers

[@joaoalmeida5926]

@@magmarman2633 you can do that without nerfing. My point is that nerfing pokemon is an horrible choice and honestly a little disrespectful for the players, in a raid meta. PvP it does make sense for nerfs and buffs, not raids.

[@TogeTips]

@@magmarman2633 I am all for a PvE rework in the form of various buffs, and while that's mostly the case, there are still Pokemon who got nerfed, which is the big issue. I personally would not mind things like my Reshiram being outclassed, but the fast that some of these Pokemon were nerfed by these changes is unfortunate. In PvP, it's been well established that rebalances can nerf your investments, but that isn't really the case for PvE, a least, not in a really long time. Reshiram and others definitely aren't worthless, but I think this is a rather unfair change to many (if it's permanent). That said, I still totally agree that it's nice to have more budget options. That's a huge positive!

[@basillah7650]

If its raids you don't need to use the best unless living in rural areas or in person shadow raids outside cities each person joining the raid should be trying to invite friends with makes doing raids easy the harder part is always catching the pokemon after the raids since it up to rng if they stay in the ball so some people catch one first ball while you can be getting excellent throws and it still not caught after 10th plus ball.

[@bluesight_]

Every 4 and 5 star raid I've had in the last two weeks has fled after almost only throwing excellent balls with golden razz. Did Niantic also make raid catching harder?

[@hunterofbosses]

I would love to se these dps sheet of the other types

[@Blazini1980]

I occasionally play but didn't the 3 star shadow raids require purified gems in the battle?

[@TogeTips]

They SHOULD, but some have reported issues with 3 (and 5) star shadow raids not enraging, ie a good bug haha

[@ThanksFriend]

Thanks for making a video on this!

[@jacechunn1531]

Thanks for the awesome breakdown 😄👍

[@jacechunn1531]

Not SUPER important, but is there a name for Pokémon that you KNOW aren't gonna let you catch em? (Whether they flee when they're done or the trainer runs out of Poké balls) I call em "Wasters" in PoGo, and know it's more a feature than a bug to make things "interesting", but just curious about how often they appear 😅

[@firststandard1ONeil]

Shundo Decidueye stocks 📈📈📈

[@eleganteimbecil1655]

Niantic is going to release Dynamax before Mega-Metagross lol… and no news of Mega Mewtwo

[@vistas5823]

New here, great comprehensive and easy to understand video!

[@DarkHPH]

Question,which pokemon are worth investing a 2nd move for raids/team rocket? Considering heatran for example, any others?

[@TogeTips]

Generally speaking, I'd say most Pokemon aren't worth unlocking a second move just for Raids. Team Rocket somewhat, but it varies. For Raids, I would really only do it on Pokemon who can serve double duty for two different types. Mamoswine is an example where it's a great Ice Attacker and a decent Ground Attacker. Garchomp is arguably the best use, seeing that it has a Legacy Charged move in Earth Power that you don't want to give up, so having that and Outrage together is nice. You would then just TM between Mud Shot and Dragon Tail for whichever type you're using it for. Maybe Blaziken too, so you can run a Fire or Fighting moveset. But not too many others I think are super necessary. For Rockets, I think most are fine with 1 charged move. I do think a few Fighting types can be worth double moving though. Lucario, for example, is nice to have both Power Up Punch and either Aura Sphere (or Close Combat) for a stronger Fighting move or Shadow Ball for coverage, specifically for Leader battles.

[@DarkHPH]

@@TogeTips thank you so much for the answer!

[@kime4329]

Man, I hope they dont revert it, I week ago I Fast Elite TM'd a hundo Gengar that I didn't have Lick on, now they change it and I need to get rid of Lick and put Shadow Claw on my Gengar, If they revert it and I need to use an other Elite TM on my Gengar that will upset me a lot. Or at least they give me my both Elite TM's back

[@AdventGO]

if they do Lick is so insignificantly better in DPS, most of it is coming from Shadow Ball so I wouldn't worry too much.

[@kime4329]

@@AdventGO ohh i see, thanks!

[@Unspoke]

I’m confused. So as of right now, is it worth leveling up our Pokémon to level 40 (and over)? And if I mega-evolve a Pokémon and bring it to a raid (like Mega-Gengar), then it’s like I’m using Gengar and not mega-Gengar in the raid. Am I right on this?

[@davidm4773]

I thought they had already confirmed this was all a bug.

[@gysghost5126]

I've lost one remote raid pass today, by accepting a request for a friend then quitting, no come back.

[@nicolamercandantesirmastro632]

lol

[@MsHEllY3Ah]

Channel name is Goated 😂

[@victor_gators]

No way they even changed the raids 😂 I haven’t played those in ages but I guess they really wanted to go all out this season

[@AdventGO]

me and hardcore raiders noticed this immediately, tbh I still disliked this change. It feels really bad but its easier.

[@alexinnitro2]

How did they make dodging feel clunkier

[@TogeTips]

I know right! It was really awkward!

[@WHOTHEHELLISNATE]

The end had me dead 😂😂

[@waterycorn8692]

New season out and still no announcement.... only Niantic cud fuck the landscape of there game up like this.... unannounced it's annoying.... I want to know if I shud switch my movesets and power up dif mons or not... but they won't announce if this was intetional or will be reverted??? Atp are they just going to let it be a silent update? And let the players do their fucking jobs? Niantic blows

[@TogeTips]

Right?? I understand keeping some features under wraps to create an exciting experience once released, but this wasn't one of them.

[@ANumberOfNames_PoGo]

So now my 5 level 50 kartana is just waste. Lol. Niantic really wants us to stay out of raiding. No wonder why so many hardcore raiders quit the game lately.

[@sine-spike]

I do think it’s worth noting that Kartana still has the highest dps of all grass types, the difference is just much less significant now. The reason why Kartana was ranked so much lower on that list is because it was based on TDO, not DPS

[@davidsolomon868]

Let me add one very very very important point to the Kartana Question, How Many of the New Better Grass pokemon do you have? How long before you will ever get more? Is it in raids, in the wild, in research? Can you get candy for the new better Grass pokemon? As long as it is named ZARUDE the answer is NO, not until Niantic comes up with a price you are willing to pay. Be glad Be Happy you have Kartana

[@Unnamedchannel5321]

Kartana’s still pretty good.

[@M4rleyZ]

Bro wtf you mean you didn't waste anything. Kartana is still a beast to use in raids

[@emanuelelionello9826]

Holy poop, my poor tyranitar, they killed him🥲

[@AedraGaming]

Shadow Metagross and Mega Diancie as well

[@RaiHyabusaRS]

From a casual pov, this doesn't change anything for me, ill still just use what ever is super effective agasint a raid. Sorta interesting info though, hope dynamax raids are implemented well

[@Tupak44]

What about karate chop

[@FaultyOsiris]

.5 seconds rounding of attacks?? Apparently it’s “MASSIVE”? Yawn

[@nickdalton1990]

And we only seem to be getting 2* joke of a game desperate for microtransactions

[@foulgrog]

great content

[@TogeTips]

Thank you!

[@mysticmac9226]

i thought the changes just gonna works for pvp, not pve …🙏🏼

[@TogeTips]

These ones are specific to PvE, but there are separate changes for PvP that we covered in a previous video

[@mysticmac9226]

@@TogeTips thanks man, very helpful content 🫡

[@furiatrifasica]

Poison pokemon are trashhhh now cause all atacks were fast

[@TheMadSnorlax]

Can I get some RIP's in the comment replies for the millions of stardust I wasted like a month ago on a bunch of nerfed mons LOL

[@TogeTips]

rip

[@TheMadSnorlax]

@@TogeTips also that ending KILLED me lmao quality edits

[@scholmanbryan]

W Niantic move, finally some new things

[@chuunwtf]

goat

[@chuunwtf]

also i cant rap my head around the fact meowscarada not even having frenzy plant is now better than kartana, that really is the biggest suprise to me

[@TogeTips]

Indeed! It has us both surprised as well. I guess part of it comes down to Fast moves being buffed. Leafage was already decent but now got a big buff, getting .2 seconds shaved off of it. With a Fast move being that much better, seeing that you're using fast moves constantly in a Raid, it definitely adds up. Not to mention Kartana's Leaf Blade getting nerfed slightly, which will also be fired off frequently, because it's a 3-bar Charged move. Nonetheless, it doesn't make it any less crazy. Makes us wonder how insane Meowscarada will look like with Frenzy Plant.

[@chuunwtf]

@@TogeTips actually game changing, def gonna wait a few weeks for any updates before investing into these new top raiders, thanks again for getting a vid on the subject so soon

[@TogeTips]

@@chuunwtf Of course! We'll definitely be doing the same here. This could easily be reverted or changed, so for now, I'm holding my investments and not touching anything new just yet.

[@iMemoacebo]

i like the meta switching. no one likes a stale meta

[@eleganteimbecil1655]

Except you do want a stale meta for raids… just make some new content rather than nerfing the current meta.

[@neighbordudesplayz547]

Tysm for this video! What website do u use to see these top counters? I used to use the gampress dps/tdo spreadsheet but they stopped updating it

[@TogeTips]

The spreadsheet I linked to is in the description, but www.pokebattler.com/raids has updated their rankings to accommodate these changes too!

[@Thunder-wu9yl]

They better revert this shit😭

[@TogeTips]

They seem to have reverted it today!

[@Thunder-wu9yl]

@@TogeTipsthank god

[@TogeTips]

@@Thunder-wu9yl Actually, perhaps not... the reports of it being reverted seem inconsistent, but we'll see!

[@TogeTips]

@@Thunder-wu9yl Looks like we were wrong unfortunately... Very unfortunate lol

[@TreFKennedy]

Can’t wait for the part 2 of this vid, Reshiram, Kartana, Zekrom and the other great Pokémon will reclaim their place in the meta 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

[@firerush4554]

Did they revert the changes??

[@TreFKennedy]

@@firerush4554 yes they did

[@firerush4554]

@@TreFKennedy well fuck me then