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[@ozonegamedev]

Finally, the collab we all wanted

[@Rac3r4Life]

They have collaborated before.

[@jimcabezola3051]

@@Rac3r4Life Thank you! I will look for them!

[@MatthewWilliamsX]

Definitely a well rounded conversion. Looking forward to possible future discussions between them.

[@Tweaker420666]

My Recommendation: A program that allows a user to make a complete theme including window decorations and everything. This would give end users a ton of freedom! Also, take a look at the new Zelda Tears of The Kingdom game. They pushed it back repeatedly to deliver it as polished as it could be.Don't be afraid to push it back.

[@HikingFeral]

In a world where executives and shareholders pump out unfinished shite, your comment could not be more correct.

[@Stevexupen]

this comment somehow reminds me of pre-facebook social network called "friendster" where they allow users to upload their own css to (almost) fully customize the user's profile page which ended up in huge performance instability and security issues.

[@xXRealXx]

@@HikingFeral It is even more surprising because Nintendo is a publicly traded company

[@szaszm_]

KWin HDR support is going to be huge in Plasma 6. I expect a lot of Linux gamers to switch to KDE Plasma just for that, and I can't wait for it myself.

[@DrathVader]

One of the coolest things about general open source community is the possibility for videos like this. Direct communication between the community and the developers. It's great to see.

[@Beryesa.]

Please keep doing joint videos with him here and there, they really bump extra -adrenaline- fun :D

[@Atius]

it's you agai-

[@duckrinium]

​@@Atius"It's been a lo-o-ng time. How have you been?"

[@socvirnylestela5878]

@@duckriniumstop lurking in opensuse discord 😢

[@duckrinium]

@@socvirnylestela5878 I am trying to be active it in >.

[@Atius]

duckity du@@duckrinium

[@Mekuso8]

Make this collab a regular thing! Very entertaining.

[@moose43h]

All I want from plasma 6 is a stable Wayland and Nvidia experience. I believe the blur glitch will be fixed

[@noaln1697]

I just swapped to an AMD card, and even if the blur issues got fixed my Nvidia experience was SO much worse than what I currently have with AMD.

[@TechWorldDeb]

Its really amazing to see you together... we can make the Linux world bigger....Unity from different parts of the world needed to raise voice for Foss..

I would like KDE to have a better (more usable and better looking) task switcher. I'm using one I wrote myself in QML (maybe I will make it publishable), to have something more usable (subjective) than the default one, but the task switcher is a thing people see right away when they start using KDE. Especially people frustrated from the MacOS task switcher might appreciate something that would really stand out.

[@niccoloveslinux]

Done

[@alexstone691]

Yeah the default on 5.27 is awful reminds me of windows 8 switcher thingy, i just installed 'ClassicKde' that somebody made

[@kilgoretrout3]

We moved to Thumbnail Grid in the middle of the screen

[@bob80808]

I love this collab!! PS: Omg Nicco feels like it's at +40º 😆 remember to drink water!

[@niccoloveslinux]

It's HOT (I was drinking a lot of water whilst nick was speaking)

[@itsamemarkus]

Awesome collab! Maybe I'm delusional but I really think KDE Plasma will be the future of Linux desktops. There is so much progress and I feel like the devs go in the right direction.

[@karanahlawat9106]

You might just be right

[@neko6803]

GTK is way too far spread for that to come to fruition any time soon tbh.

[@neko6803]

@davi.a.carneiro Read again what the guy initially wrote.

[@kentreed2011]

​@@neko6803GTK/Gnome really infuriates me since they have so many ways to improve and they do the bare minimum or nothing at all. They took 18 years to implement a file chooser/picker with thumbnails. Something that was incredibly essential and yet they took forever to implement it, it might not sound like a big deal to some but it really is since it is making something that you can do on Windows very easily a pain in the arse on GTK/Gnome. KDE Plasma is so much better and has a lot more quality of life features like these.

[@kentreed2011]

And the way of how widespread it is, I wouldn't be surprised if it is one of the reasons if not the main reason why GNU/Linux isn't more popular. Something as simple (but essential, specially if you have a lot of files) as not having thumbnails on file picker will REALLY deter people.

[@lionking10222]

Really cool to see this Video. "The Linux Experiment" ist one of my most watched channel und I also love your channel, so perfect collab! Also a lot of important topics where covered. I'm really looking forward to a great plasma 6.

[@tato-chip7612]

I think a general purpose plasma 6 preview would be a good idea. Not one packaged by the distros but one packaged in PPAs and other testing repositories.

[@lesscommonsense1804]

Both is good. I still would prefer to be able to test a distro on a live usb or in a VM so KDE Neon is great for me. But having the option to try out the newest features to see how well integrated it is on your favorite distro definitely has its benefits.

[@phillipanselmo8540]

that's what kde neon is for

[@aquaponieee]

having a plasma 6 preview PPA is a horrible idea tbh

[@peppefailla1630]

THE ULTIMATE COLLAB

[@DeanHoover]

Thanks for the one-on-one! I watch both of you all the time, and it's great that both of you got the chance to talk to each other and make KDE even better!

[@dungeonseeker3087]

The whole single/double click thing, why not just add a page to KDE Welcome and ask the user to pick what they prefer?

[@socvirnylestela5878]

true. i like them to have a welcome window where it shows common options and user defaults where users can modify

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

The problem with that is that you ask users a thing they (might/probably, depending existing experience) don't know yet.

[@dungeonseeker3087]

@@gragogflying-anvil3605 As opposed to forcing them into an option they might not know they can change at all?

[@HikingFeral]

If the user of a computer system does not know if they want a double click or not then that is really on them and their level of knowledge. Developers can't go to someone's house and set up the OS for them and give them a power-point presentation and call them every Tuesday with neat tips and tricks. it's 2023. It's choosing a double click not installing Arch.@@gragogflying-anvil3605

[@Kokurorokuko]

​@@gragogflying-anvil3605then they go with defaults (if it's literally their first time using a computer). It's not that hard.

[@cyberjohn44]

I would like to see Latte-Dock as a panel option in KDE.

[@maikeru6158]

@davi.a.carneiroyeah, but the source code is out there, they could clone it and make it an official part of KDE if they wanted to

[@mckendrick7672]

​@@maikeru6158That would require maintenance and someone would have to pick up that burden.

[@vicca4671]

@@maikeru6158 I think adding Latte's functionalities to the default panel little-by-little is more sustainable than supporting two completely different panel/dock applications.

[@urparvezali]

I dont miss your videos. I watched each of them

[@niccoloveslinux]

Aw

[@vicca4671]

Thanks for all the hard work you and the KDE team have been putting on the next big release! Also, great to see Nick here as well! It'd be nice to see you you presenting the KDE news on Nick's page sometime just for fun

[@matheus.wagner]

Nicco, I've watched a few of your videos, but aside from not really liking the KDE desktop environment, I thought it was cool hearing a few things coming straigh from the source, with you being a long term contributor of the project. But watching you discussing the PRODUCT with Nick (that most of us know a little longer) that has professional experience as a Product Manager, and being a content producer about Linux having to research and use a lot of software in order to produce his content, and (running out of breath here) that is also a long term user of KDE is absolutely awesome! I'm definetely more interest in keeping up with the development and the discussions around Plasma 6. Thank you!

[@praddyumnyadav8137]

I can't wait for Plasma 6 it's will be exciting update and this video increases that excitement. But I would prefer to give developers time to do whatever they want.

[@kasparbaktat964]

Very interesting talk and I am looking forward to more discussions between the two of you!

[@LuneLovehearn]

What I would like from plasma 6 is having the ability of re arranging the system tray icons like the way windows does from windows 7 up to 10. Better Wayland support and bug fixes on the global menu and more options on it when using a macOS layout. Also like Nick said , having a proper dock to use when having a macOS layout. The floating panel works but it lacks some functionality from a proper dock. So hope you consider a proper plasma dock that works both on x11 and Wayland. ❤

[@carlod1605]

The Two Nicks podcast 😱😱😱

[@PrathamPatel18]

One minute in and I've already liked and subscribed!

[@konradzuse4778]

Oh! I was waiting for that Overview! I'm absolutely sure to switch back to KDE/Plasma if that is implemented in 6.0. Great! Thank you so very much!

[@esra_erimez]

Great collaboration! I hope see Nick here more often.

[@FeldiArts]

I'm super excited for Plasma 6 ^.^ Fell in love with KDE as soon as I switched from Windows to Kubuntu a few months ago and I can't wait to tinker around with the stuff you guys improved :3 So I hope that installing/updating will be noob proof so I don't fuck up my system XD

[@kentreed2011]

I would personally recommend PopOS! + KDE Plasma desktop environment. It is really great.

[@pamus6242]

Older Thinkpads and Dells are going to have a blast with Plasma 6 !!

[@olbluelips]

Older Dells don’t work

[@temari2860]

30:15 Freedesktop actually works on unified accent colors now. If they implement that, having unified light/dark theme+accent color without tinkering would be good enough for me to consider my desktop consistent.

[@felixjohnson3874]

Kde with the right gtk theme can be pretty damn consistent. It'll never be "perfect" but some applications just flat out wouldn't feel right with the same design as other applications and having unique design elements can make them easier to quickly and subconsciously identify. (I'm not saying they would be wearing camo, but it would take a bit more mental energy) Having many OS tools well integrated, most software fairly well integrated, and a handful that are close enough is probably best IMO. now if only gtk themes actually applied through flatpaks. (Well, that and the minor snafu of gnome actively snuffing out theming)

[@temari2860]

Yeah the flatpak automatic theme detection works half the time and ofc not all themes are present as flatpaks. I personally just give all flatpaks read permission to my ~/.local/share/themes through Flatseal and everything works good enough.@@felixjohnson3874

[@Sollace]

Jumping into the discussion at 4:06 I think a great addition would be the ability to drag and reorder icons in the system tray area, both on the panel and in the status and notifications frame. I agree about replicating the apple dock too. I tried the floating panel, but the way it unfloats breaks the look and while it looks good, having windows go behind the panel to prevent the defloating isn't always practicle.

[@felixjohnson3874]

I never really got peoples issue with that, what's the issue with it unfloating when you have a full screen window? It makes full screen windows feel more full and the desktop feel more open. Admittedly I don't like it as much on desktops, but on my laptop it seems perfectly natural. (I think that likely has something to do with 1 the length of the bar overall and 2 nit having one floating and one full panel visible simultaneously.)

[@Sollace]

@@felixjohnson3874 I just don't like it changing appearance is all. When I have the floating dock turned on, I'd like to see the floating dock, but since I almost always have something open and maximised, or even the slightest touch from a window defloats it, I basically never get to see it in its floating form. The option might as well not exist. Also when it defloats, it gains extra internal padding which makes it look marginally not as good than if I had floating turned off fully. What I'd like is actually the option to have windows go behind it (again because I like how it looks) but with the ability to pad out the bottom of the window, so UI elements aren't obstructed by the dock. In things like a browser where you don't have anything at the bottom of the window, it looks really, really good. It's just in programs that do have some buttons or status bars down there that I wish wouldn't be overlapped with by the dock, and if that was fixed I could easily see myself using the floating dock all the time.

[@tearfakk]

As for theming, there's a good rule I heard Apple uses and I guess Gnome too: "no matter on what visual element you work, you should make it look so tasty that a user will want to lick it". At least defaults should be thought out in that paradigm. It's not what everybody likes, but majority of people will prefer "tasty" look. It's just a primitive psychology.

[@jinliu1198]

Glassy UI was like decades ago bro. Even Apple has ditched that mindset long ago.

[@tearfakk]

@@jinliu1198 where did I say something about glass design?

[@mckendrick7672]

Why the heck would anyone want to lick GNOME. Looks ugly as heck.

[@Big-Chungus21]

@@jinliu1198they should bring it back to some extent, and not in the way neumorphism achieves it. More like Windows 7, which had plenty of these glossy effects and transparency, but not the same amount that Vista and Mac OS X used to have.

[@felixjohnson3874]

Hard disagree. Companies like Apple and MS don't do it because users like it, they do it because it gets their attention and makes them THINK they like it. When your OS just gets out of the way and does it's job no-one is going to notice it unless they're already enough of a power user to be paying attention. On the otherhand an eye-catching UI overhaul will get people's attention and get them to notice it. If you install Garuda on your laptop it'll catch people's attention sure, but when it comes to actually using it long-term that theming appeals to very, very, VERY few people. You want eye catching when you go to an art gallery, not when you're filing your taxes, creating spreadsheets, watching youtube, etc. Its the sane reason why most houses don't have extravagant wallpapering; its cool when you walk in, but it gets old rather fast when you're actually living there. When you're *_selling_* an OS you want eye-catching because it will lead to more purchases, but in terms of actual UX even the modern windows glassy "minimalist" design is just so visually cluttered yet paradoxically seems way too spread out and disparate to be usable. (I'd be surprised if this didnt have a part to play in the rapid growth of dark-themes which hide most of that overcomplexity behind dark greys and blacks) Do some people like it? Sure, obviously... buuuut I'd imagine the majority of those people use their computer so infrequently and casually they aren't dealing with the UX tradeoffs I'm talking about here. Those users though will, 1 probably be fine with any theming since they don't care, and 2 aren't the ones that are going to switch to linux and *_certainly_* aren't going to be picking KDE over Gnome. The remaining genuine power users who use those aggressive themes and genuinely like them, consistently use them, etc. are so few and far between though it's just not reasonable to extend that preference out to the default theme on millions of computers. Personally I run kyzen red and color nord icons dark which a friend recommended to me. Aside from the atrocious titlebars, all of Kyzen Red's subcomponents are excellent; color nord icons integrate with the theme color excellently; and, in general, it manages to be visually compelling without being visually overwhelming or cluttered. That specific choice(s) is undoubtedly specific to me, but I think the underlying preference for things to "just work" is a strong commonality. Good UX is like a home security system; if you have to spend your time thinking about it at all it's either wasting your time or you have bigger issues.

[@Abdo70t]

very good idea, I enjoyed the discussions/ideas a lot 😍

[@felipedelgado160]

It's good to see joint videos

[@DasJott]

The good thing about Linux Desktops is, there is no competition. I mean, some users may think so but at least developer wise it is just fun and learning from each other.

[@RyanBragg84]

Great video and I just installed kde on my computer and I love it. Looking forward to Plasma 6.

[@pitape1822]

I wish Plasma 6 to have good and legible fonts with good contrast, not washed out grey on grey. And good wayland nvidia stability. Maybe a good backup or snapshot app? The rest is cosmetic. Release dates: March as Ubuntu and Fedora release in April 😊

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

@danielhalachev4714 With "snapshots" OP didn't mean screenshots, but (file) system snapshots.

[@arnabbiswasalsodeep]

Yay, didn't expect this but love it. (also, first! yay)

[@johnjamison_notthewhiskey]

Releasing kde and gnome at the same time, i'm picturing a linux barbieheimer event 🎉

[@luigigaminglp]

One thing that I want to point out that you guys (and lots of other desktops) do correctly is not removing options that aren't options. Two examples: Today, I wanted to make a car at work a bit less annoying, because it always beeps when you go over the speed limit, immediately, and if it's a "dangerous situation". I wanted to turn off the speed limit thing - but the switch-style button didn't do anything. It just stayed on. You could turn off danger warnings or everything, but just speed warnings was impossible. And a few months ago I was tasked to find a way to let users change their windows password on a windows remote session server that didn't involve pressing ctrl alt del - and after kicking through layers of menus i found a greyed out text field with a notice to use ctrl alt del.

[@computerfan1079]

Very cool collab

[@MrMorokiatt]

KDE developers should be proud of their work. The learning curve isn't too bad, and 5.27 is fine with me. Looking forward to 6.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

I can't wait for Plasma 6!!! I'm such a freaking Plasmazoider!

[@luizotavio2116]

Hell yeah! Best collab! And talking about the perfect topic! 👏👏👏 (And Nick is hot as always)

[@106edef]

Same as Nick, I used to have Kubuntu but I switched to kde neon, it works great and you always have the latest 🤩 functionality.

[@Nixima81]

Thank you for the insight,, i love KDE i use it every day and refuse to use any other desktops. Love to tinker whit the look and feel so it's my perfect fit.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Nicco + Nick + eBuzz Central + The Linux Cast

[@stevesveryown]

Nicco & Nick.... a new candy bar.... 😝

[@techofe-anopensourcebasedd5822]

Good to see.

[@blackstar_1069]

nice crossover episode :3

[@user-eo5rl6gn6h]

I think the current theme is a bit outdated, especially when compared to what you get in GNOME. The simple solution in my opinion would be to look at a theme that directly tries to modernize the Breeze theme, such as Lightly, and try to officially implement it. Also, the addition of proper Dock functionality would be great, as mentioned in the video. Even better, giving the users the choice between a Windows-style and MacOS-style layout during setup would make experience much more user-friendly.

[@mckendrick7672]

Adwaita looks horrible. The people who like Breeze would never like anything "more modern" like Adwaita. Lightly is a good improvement on Breeze, but it's still ultimately Breeze.

[@user-eo5rl6gn6h]

​@@mckendrick7672 Lightly is, in my opinion, what the Breeze theme should evolve into. It's got rounded corners, adds more blur, and removes the horrible coloured outlines around every widget.

[@ars7374]

As someone who has basically only used KDE during their time with Linux, a Windows 11 daily drive challenge sounds like a lot of fun! I have an extra SSD laying around so maybe I'll give it a shot! I've never actually truly daily driven Windows in my life, since I grew up with MacOS and later moved to Linux.

[@SmashedGlass]

dont do it, W11 is as garbage as every W release since XP sp3

[@unliyou]

The current KDE Plasma on Devuan still have the same issue on adding color profile (System Settings - Color Correction) to a display device as an ordinary user. A workaround is to manually add the icc profile to the directory where all the icc profiles are as root. Using GUI, it cannot work due to permission issue. Searching about the problem tells me its been a problem for a long time even on other distro. Maybe when all desktop users make use of color profiles, this could be solved a long time ago but only a few desktop users are aware of color management. Looking forward for KDE Plasma 6, can't wait to use it. Thank you for all the effort.

[@B33ENN]

For me, when I came over from Windows 7/8, I first tried Mint Cinnamon, because it had the same classic paradigm. However, when I saw KDE Plasma 5 while messing with OpenSUSE, I was hooked. I lived with every version, buggy or not, because to me, it's the most professional looking desktop there is, and ideal for users that like to customise their work flow. It's everything that I hoped Windows would become after XP, but never did.I've been happy with the Breeze light and dark themes. I'd like to see KDE retain what is best about it and not change for the sake of change. I use KDE Plasma for production and leisure, on desktop and laptop, and wouldn't like to have to switch if it starts to deviate from what sets it apart. For instance, I didn't like the changes to the "kickoff" menu a while back and use the old one via a user maintained fork. Try new looks of course, like the floating task bar you mention, but it's good we will have the option to keep the one we are used to also.

[@the1trancedemon]

kde plasma is the best. some great new features i can think of is lots of more full fledged themes that make it look like garuda dragonized, xero linux, setting reset option in case users goof up anything, simple settings mode, advanced settings mode, maybe also a utility to make my own theme, customizable shadows behind windows so that one can make out the windows in front are prominant, for dark black theme sometimes windows are so black that cannot make out which window is where because theres too much blackness especially for monitors with less gamma. keep up the great work.

[@francootaola9172]

Nicola, one feature that would be awesome to have in plasma, that i already mentionned to you in a comment that would make plasma show it's capabilities would be a button in the configuration that will: Minimize the configuration panel and freeze the rest of the screen with the other windows opened widgets etc. And that when you hover over something in the windows it will highlight it and if you click it, it will de freeze and open a configuration panel where it shows only all the options to configure what you clicked in the configuration panel something like it was the ? Button in old Os that when clicked ando hover over something it would give you information about it. This would spotlight so much things of plasma that are not known by the user... And would alow to filtrate. What you are looking for.

[@sayonara816]

I'd like to see a change in the color options to "color from wallpaper" since it would set it apart from other operating systems and make your system feel more tailored to your requirements. But who knows, that may be a touch too niche

[@JanSzafranski]

Totally agree with this option

[@vwagenjetta]

Double click by default is the best change. I accidentally click more often than I'd like to admit, and single click had me waiting for heavy applications to open all the way up on an accidental click.

[@ciecz]

my favourite duo :D

[@cameronbosch1213]

11:24 A screenshot of Microsoft committing the sin of false advertising. We all know KDE Plasma is the real simple by default and powerful by choice desktop!

[@randomness0]

Windows: horrible by default, and you don't have a choice.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@randomness0 I agree. You could also say that about macOS too, and to a much greater degree. If you want macOS, you're forced onto hardware you may not like and for software, the same is true for now; you are currently forced onto software you may not like.

[@codewing]

Honestly I'm so looking forward to having Wayland ready and especially the RDP integration into KDE

[@mitcoes]

Great Vblog. My wish is optional FINGER FRIENDLY menus perhaps vertical icons - ideograms, like the Vivaldi browser vertical bar has, with nested sub menus, resizable to each finger size (and screen sensitivity) that would replace that menu. And perhaps add the Steam Deck virtual keyboard as the default, or at least as an option. An or a special plasma 6 for tablets (with special love for handhelds, Steam Deck in particular) And I think that the DOCK must be HIDDEN by default, as a difference with other desktops (I always set up the menu bar and docks (panel or latte) when I used them this way). A watch sphere 0-100% day time 0-24, being half the sphere 12 hours, and adding the internet hour - in beats with CET 0 as 0 or a new 0-1000 / day GMT (or other) internet time based and be able to use it in dual /triple mode, internet 0-1000 / local 0-1000 / local 0-24 sphere would be nice. And a KDE watch OS, LTE and BT, with some cheap watch hardware with NFC payments, that would help KDE to fund itself, would be also a great thing to have. As there is a new Russian mobile OS KDE based, that will increase KDE mobile use and contributions, sell also a KDE "neon" phone for the rest of the world, with much better performance than the Pine64 ones, with good SoC and good prices as 100 - 200 Android devices, perhaps refurbishing some "old" model with not good luck on the market.

[@sylvershadow1247]

I hope that Plasma 6 will be ready by 24.04. and I'm currently using Plasma 6 (Wayland) on Neon Experimental with a VM with RTX 3060 Ti. Looking good! Gonna test this out with gaming soon.

[@eniojurko]

I like the flatness of the breeze, just would like darker breeze. something almost black, or changing shade of black.. oh and kde rocks, my favorite desktop enviroment..

[@unclerubo]

Push the release as long as necessary to properly test things. As someone once said, "there is no second chance for a positive first impression".

[@thetaleteller4692]

What I hope for Plasma 6 under Qt 6 is to get rid of the gazillion issues with Wayland. Some of witch Qt 5 has marked as "can't be bothered to be fixed".

[@simian3455]

It's simply more logical to prioritize superior quality and commonly shared standards. Opting for improved standards and adhering to best practices consistently leads to superior outcomes.

[@hindigente]

Despite mostly just using LXQt and Cinnamon, I'm still very excited for Plasma 6.

[@helixiod]

Please consider ditching ubuntu as a base for neon as it doesn't ship pipewire and wayland fixes and force snaps 😅. Consider something more recent like Arch or Debian unstable. Neon as an immutable distro with flatpaks and a rolling base would be fantastic and it will even make neon very stable like steam os. No more breakage in kde on updates.

[@socvirnylestela5878]

surprisingly, opensuse works closely with kde contributors so you can just use opensuse tumbleweed kde or the krypton variant

[@helixiod]

@@socvirnylestela5878But opensuse kde is not clean as kde neon or arch kde. I don't really like the bloat and look at vanilla os imutable with only essential apps no bloat and clean gnome experience.

[@Wurstbrot03]

Honestly, I think they should work on OpenSuse's Immutable KDE Desktop variant "Kalpa" (And rename it because those forced "K" names are horrible). Currently, only one person works on Kalpa and the Suse devs aren't really optimistic about it since it is still in Alpha. Kalpa could become Neon and provide a rock solid, stable rolling release testing distro, thanks to its immutable nature.

[@BiudreuN1]

I would love to see a new button added to the panel to open the overview. I currently have no way to use gestures, and for me the keyboard shortcuts are not comfortable or easy to locate. A new official button for this would be of great help!

[@panospolychronis8043]

Nice.. I'm waiting for KDE Plasma Desktop 6.0 rpm packages for Fedora! :)

[@danamurray735]

I totally and completely agree with the statement @ 28:04 "I Would Personally Pick It (KDE Neon user edition) Over Kubuntu "

[@chriss3404]

Damn, Nick really hit Plasma 5 in the pre-update multi-monitor support 💀 As a long time multihead plasma user, still my favorite Plasma update! 😸 Here's to that changing with Plasma 6!

[@luigigaminglp]

One small improvement: When outputting an error Message, add a button that leads you to the log in question immediately if that's possible.

[@akza0729]

25:55 True that. Not having a fixed release schedule kinda gives people the impression that the development is disorganised and just going with the flow. Especially some of my acquaintances thinks that Plasma is stagnated because relative to GNOME or Windows, there's not many big number or UI changes. And when asked community is like "I don't know. Maybe this year or next?" is how it goes. Most users don't care about the 5.XX release because that's like no change at all.

[@jinliu1198]

If you compare Gnome 45 to 40, the UI changes little, too. Most work goes into details. I guess Plasma 6.0 won't bring much new, "exciting" stuff, either. Won't be like Windows 11's "let's focus on making a new taskbar so the user can see this is a whole new version at a glance".

[@pmcomputing2459]

I love KDE, a feature I would like to see is the ability to easily add applications to the right click context menu, I would like to add the nvidia-settings app to make it more like what Im used to in Windows and its not an easy thing to do currently.

[@VicharB]

Really looking forward to Plasma 6 and QT 6 improvements in performance and visually. Currently I already have floating panel as a setup along with double click, on Plasma 5.x. I'd really like to see much better fonts rendering, if that can be done, along with windows management and switching options with tighter integration on Wayland.

[@d3xbot]

Re: the KDE Apps vs Gnome apps ecosystems... I love KDE's Power-User apps, but I do also appreciate Gnome's "Do one thing and do it right" apps. I even use some of the KDE power-user apps (e.g. Kate) on my Mac! I think a good middle ground would be to have the apps be big power-user apps but default to a simplified view that acts as more of a "Do one thing and do it right" app. That way, you can open an app and do the thing, but then you can get into the weeds and do advanced tasks with little extra work.

[@d3xbot]

16:25 Honestly you don't want your desktop to bombard you with sounds all the time ... But I loved my Platinum Sounds kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWbHp2x3pNGNgcU /s

[@pedrosantos3648]

The main issue I have with KDE (Debian12) right now is that 200% scaling on 4K monitor is really not good, several artifacts (on fonts and even video playing) and overall the image is mushy, in clear contrast to Windows 10 on same PC/monitor which gives perfect sharp image at 200% scale. I use 200% scaling 100% of the time. It would think it would be easy to get a perfect scaling at 200%.

[@Tyler-Kearney]

I like using Arch. I bounce a lot between kde and cinnamon. Occasional stints using hyprland, qtile, xfce, and gnome.

[@HikingFeral]

I spent 48hrs trying a lot of different DE's on Endeavour OS because I like it so much and want to stay here for the next 6 months to 1 year. I settled on KDE and that was with a lot of testing of Gnome, I3, XFCE etc and I made the right decision for me for sure. Plasma is beautiful and 10 times more stable than this time last year. I love it because it can be as polished and gorgeous or as bare bones as I want it to be. It can be as bare as XFCE but XFCE cannot be as polished as Plasma. Ultimately I want to move to just Arch and a tiling window manager but Arch based Endeavour OS and KDE is so good I am really happy with it. I'm looking forward to geeking out and becoming a KDE superuser for the first time lol.

[@guss77]

I think there shouldn't be a "make this panel a dock" button - it should be an option in the desktop RMB menu's "add panel" sub menu: in addition to "default panel" option, there should be a "default dock" option.

[@QuestionTheTruth]

Appearance should also have a looks in default Plasma, it would be nice if you install plasma and you can click one button and it looks like osx, or windows x or gnome or xfce, black box etc, and then you theme it, and then you customise the theme with single option changes, which then becomes a script that you can export and import into any KDE computer. That way you don't need to create your own distro in order to always have the same theme and looks, and people can start to focus on other stuff then looks like under the hood optimisation, and with that global looks/themes innovation would bloom again, so that artists create new featured combinations, and share scripts. I think it would have an impact on new users and become easier for new people to join in, and KDE could get a bigger userbase.

[@rendija27]

Excellent conversation. A few comments: Agree that the KDE team take more time to test if necessary. I don't agree with switching to double click, it's one of the features of KDE that makes it unique. In Plasma 6, touchpad gestures should be improved with options in System Settings. More than matching release dates with the Gnome team, work should be done on improving the integration of Gnome applications into KDE and vice versa, at least from a visual point of view. Currently, is the title bar still effective? I hope you continue these conversations and I wish you much success!! KDE Plasma is an excellent piece of technology, I have been using it without problems since 2019 in my daily work and personal use.

[@janingvar]

Looks like Nicco lives in Puglia where the electricity cables were melting due to the heat a few weeks ago 😁

[@kachilda]

I would add a quick settings tab for new users with all the features that anyone in any operating system would use out of the gate with a new install.

[@duckrinium]

Nick and Niccolo ayy Nickolo

[@Beryesa.]

Nickiverse

[@p7272]

I want to use the beta now!

[@samuelitooooo]

In early September 2023, Nate Graham published an update saying that they have a release date target for early February 2024. No exact day yet but that's the target. I like this, for one reason: the next [K]Ubuntu LTS release would be around the corner. Hopefully that's enough time to polish Plasma as much as possible (especially with regards to Wayland) so that Kubuntu and derivatives can start testing on a base fittingly solid enough for a LTS release. I also think we have enough features for now and would rather focus on polish. I honestly thought Kirigami was just a separate toolkit for mobile OSs. Excited to see that this is a framework for all screens, with a HIG. Makes more sense now why there's increased dependence on Kirigami in Plasma 6.

[@alexstone691]

I wish the clock widget could look better and be more customizable when vertical, i had to install third party applet for it

[@oldtools6089]

a cohesive and unseen menu-fade/window-show would go a LONG way

[@cexeodus]

Kde 6 needs a dedicated dark/customized mode toggle per-app in the title bar of every app supported in kde.

[@esra_erimez]

One feature I would really like have in KDE is "Fancy Zones"

[@niccoloveslinux]

We have it tho

[@zachariah380]

@@niccoloveslinux Maybe it needs to be more visible. The Linux Experiment talked about how hard to find it was, and how it was even harder to find the shortcut key usage for it. He also wanted the ability to save custom layouts, and thought Plasma should model some features of POP! OS's zone manager. The video he discusses it on is called: "KDE Plasma 5.27: the biggest, best, KDE release yet!

[@edwardecl]

All I want is to be able to save layouts of panels, and to have a viable dock, you can make one but there is not enough options to make it exactly how you want it to behave.

[@mikeymayhem_]

I think the plasma style and application style should one day be merged.

[@mma93067]

I hope everything follows maui’s design language

[@morpheon_xyz]

I'm so glad to hear windows being mentioned as being a piece of 💩... I've jumped ship to Debian in April due to windows being so trashy as of late, I can't deal anymore. Can't wait for Plasma 6, and I'm glad that Linux as a whole has improved a lot since I last considered to jump ship years ago, but thing's didn't work out in my favour at the time. Thanks for all you do for the Linux community with your development of KDE. Keep it up ✌

[@obake6290]

I won't argue that a fixed panel looks *better* than floating, but I don't really see an argument for the opposite either. It's just a panel. Arguably fixed is better because it won't have the wasted space between the panel and the edge of the screen.You know, those 3 rows of pixels are very important!. I am glad to see so much focus on fixing Plasma for this release. I was a KDE user from when I started with Linux in the 3.5 series and loved it. I even liked the early 4 releases that everybody hates. Sure there were bugs, but nothing that dramatically effected my experience. It was actually somewhere in the middle of the Plasma 5 releases where the bugs drove me away, especially on Wayland. I hope this all works out and I can switch back.

[@nicolaim4275]

It is obviously subjective, but I think many people want there to be margins. We have plenty of empty space in many situations for both aesthetic and practical purposes and this is just one more instance.

[@luigigaminglp]

Also the Network tabs could use touch up. Id suggest putting the most commonly used infos first, and kinda stashing the rest away. The ipv4 adress (unless you use ipv6 only, then it's ipv6), mac adress, interface name, standard gateway and dns resolver, and the other settings kinda stashed away in a submenu or something.

[@michaelmcdonald3275]

With Plasma the config files are all over the place and Kontakt/Kmail is very difficult to backup/restore.. This factors makes it difficult to seamless migrate between computers. In GNOME with Evolution I can single click backup and this makes migration easy. Also with GNOME I can also copy the DCONF database and in a corporate environment where users may move between computers I can simply run an autostart scripts ( from a desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart ) that pulls those 2 files from a server at login and voila moving between computers easy. If KDE had this ease I would use. Regards Nick's comment about DOCK well Latte dock on KDE is quite nice.