Nice Cycling #1

Let's have a look at my first nice cycling episode. More footage for further episodes would be much appreciated. Let's start changing how people perceive us when we're out on 2 wheels!
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[@gixxerman69]

The trouble with taking primary position is that many motorists see this as "riding in the middle of the road" and "deliberately holding up traffic". This often results is anger, blast of the horn and abuse from the motorist, and in some cases a "punisment pass" whereby they pass deliberately close to make a point. I think better driver education of why cyclists take primary position would help to stop this. Videos like this are a great start.

[@liamhughes2689]

I ride daily on the road and on one majour roundabout i have to take up primary position to make a safe turn to take the third exit in the last month i have experienced two close calls with me taking up 2nd position about 10 meters away from the roundabout however two times i have experienced a car speeding up going into the oncoming lane and then swerving back with heavy braking before entering the roundabout it really does puzzle me what goes through peoples minds.

[@alihorda]

Well personally I always try to ride at the right edge (Europe) of the road so cars can take over easier, I don't see a reason to take primary position as a cyclists, except if the road conditions are bad and it would be dangerous to ride at the edge

[@liamhughes2689]

@@alihorda its something you have to do in the uk most of the time to discourage driver's cutting you up right before a majour junction but sadly alot of them still dont get the message

[@alexwalker9803]

Agreed I think every driver that is able should do as part of their driving lessons one on a bike on the road. You can in the UK tell a fellow cyclist by how they pass you.

[@alihorda]

@@liamhughes2689 I understand the frustration, but even if I am right I generate more danger that way. if you get hit by a lorry you are done for. same reason you could argue when driving a car 'I had priority. the bus drove wrongly' in the end you will have greater injuries. sadly

[@DionLewiis]

A cyclist gave me a solid thumbs up today after I followed slowly behind for a good distance waiting for a safe opening to overtake him in my van, it feels nice to be appreciated 😊

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

I usually put my hand up to thank other motorists, but somethings deserve a thumbs up, like when I saw a car stop to let ducks across the road.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I always try and thank courteous and helpful drivers. It really is appreciated both ways

[@calumbutter6124]

That's great to hear. I make point of communicating with my hands to cars. I'm a driver too but I've always wondered how they felt about thumbs.

[@DionLewiis]

@@calumbutter6124 since I left my comment, I’ve picked up cycling as a hobby and am very much invested in it. I make a big effort to thank drivers who hold back behind me when on windy roads. I also like how people driving cars with roof racks often give you a wave when travelling in the opposite direction. Love the community :)

[@pipk7747]

Ashley, THANK YOU so much for this, absolutely superb. I'm a cyclist (commuting & leisurely) and encounter so, so many incidents. Mostly drivers try to bully cyclists or make out us cyclist's shouldn't be on roads and are an inconvenience. Please Help Make Our Roads A Safe Place. Cyclists Are Humans...

[@CptnKremmen]

When I ride my 60k on a Sunday I don't get that from drivers; but on my 4k commute I often get motorist driving their cars at me - usually head on (so at least I can see them) with several feet and sometime metres clear in their nearside.

[@johnpruddy]

Perhaps it’s for the instruction to be cyclists are traffic rather than language like holding up traffic. So many times have the words “holding up traffic” being used without recognition that cyclists have as much entitlement to the road as a pedestrian or a dog walker. The solution is quite simple. Presumed liability' (often referred to as 'strict liability') is an element of civil law that, in crashes involving vulnerable road users, finds the more powerful road user liable by default, unless it can be clearly proven that the vulnerable road user was at fault. This applies to all types of collisions. It’s the sensible standard across Europe except for the UK and Ireland. Areas that have it instilled in the legislature have lower fatalities amongst vulnerable road users.

[@dlevi67]

It seems that the new Highway Code is going in that direction - whether supported by statutory instruments or not remains to be seen.

[@jhferu]

"as much entitlement as a pedestrian or dog walker" I was going to add "or a motorist, for that matter" then I remembered that motorists' right to use the road is limited by their licence. They have the least right to use the road.

[@grahamnutt8958]

I'm sorry to say, Ashley, that too many people have a very poor attitude towards those on two wheels - frequently failing to give enough space. Great to see you attempt to address this subject in such a positive manner. Many could/should learn from this but I cannot help but think that those who should be watching this vid probably won't...... ego prevents them from acknowledging their need to improve. Keep up the good work and huge thanks to those whose clips are featured here. Stay safe everyone 👍

[@martinkent333]

This cyclist rarley signals and wears dark clothing, making him invisible to drivers wearing sunglasses. He is a weasel. Do you obey traffic laws, Graham? Do you have time to chat?

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@martinkent333 I always make a point of obeying traffic laws and have been known to have words with people that don't. Open for intelligent discussion by all means. That's what this YT channel is about. Respect 👍

[@martinkent333]

@@grahamnutt8958 Drivers who ignore traffic laws are weasels. Humans who have evolved into folks with zero ethics and no conscience. When they come off the highway into town, they experience Velocitization. This means that they cannot correctly estimate cyclists' speeds and cut them off.

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@martinkent333 "Velocitisation" (🇬🇧 spelling - not an insult btw) is a great word & demonstrates your intelligence. It is definitely something people suffer from when exiting roads where the speed limit is 70mph - many fail to slow sufficiently to negotiate a roundabout/junction after a Motorway (I think that is the equivalent of a 🇺🇸 highway). Even the 👮‍♂️👮‍♀️🚔 sometimes get it wrong 🤔. I subscribe to various dashcam channels; the content of which is often hair raising at best and am, on occasion, able to submit 📽 in the hope that it might prevent someone from repeating those 'mistakes' (for want of a better way of putting it). Good point raised there Martin 👍

[@martinkent333]

@@grahamnutt8958 ❤

[@thegrowl2210]

I think the first/last cyclist on the MTB was cycling a little close to the kerb imo. I think a default secondary position a quarter into the lane is more suitable, as I find it tends to deter close passes as you take up more room, and if something does go wrong, you can swerve to a section of road to the left, rather than hitting the highsided kerb, which can be quite dangerous.

[@fedoracay]

True. But if you've had close shaves before, you may well be nervous about cycling in the middle of the lane.

[@benfurfie1715]

@@fedoracay True. I've found that close passes have dropped massively since I started riding out 1 meter from the curb in secondary. Sure, you still get the taxi drivers passing closer than they should do, but the majority of people seem to pass you far more appropriately there. That said, I wouldn't ride in secondary without my Garmin Varia rear facing radar to give me a heads up someone's approaching, and a small, rear-facing mirror on my dropbars to see whether they're moving out to go around (or whether I need to mount the curb quickly because it's clear they aren't paying attention).

[@MultiMidden]

Trouble is if he took primary chances are the trucker would be 'tailgating' him to intimidate him and getting more and more angry at not being able to pass. What makes me think that would happen - how the overtake was done, one wobble and the cyclist could have been killed. Catch 22.

[@cyclecam6328]

@@MultiMidden Taking primary may make people angry who don't know any better, but almost nobody will willfully run you over. Even the punishment pass is not as dangerous as the driver who squeezes through thinking there may be enough room.

[@hadtopicausername]

@The Growl - agreed. About a quarter or two fifths into the lane is my default position. I really don't understand cyclists who keep to the very edge of the road. It leaves you zero room for manouvering, apart from going off into the weeds.

[@Canvas-nb]

as someone from the netherlands, this feels so weird to watch because cycling lanes tend to be separated over here for safety and comfort o= i cant imagine having to share the road with cars so much, it probably pushes people away from even trying out cycling as a method of transport rather then for sport

[@theloveboxquartet]

Yep, it's a tragedy mate. American hegemony macho car culture nonsense pushing a 'dog eat dog' mentality on the roads. No consultation with cyclists on infrastructure and no integrated transport policy. It's embarrassing...

[@josephjboyle1528]

It does that.

[@Canvas-nb]

@@theloveboxquartet you guys dont even have room for lots of car infrastructure right? especially in dense places like london, it just seems smarter to invest in bicycles instead because most trips would be doable with a bike/walking/etc =/ obviously a car can be handy if you're going on a massive trip to ikea or something, but still ;w;

[@theloveboxquartet]

@@Canvas-nb Yes that's all true. But will the UK ever learn? Not sure personally as we have powerful pro-car, anti-cycle lobbying together with a negative attitude that bicycles are somehow second class transport combined with a government who think that competition is preferable to cooperation.

[@Canvas-nb]

@@theloveboxquartet dang that's so unfortunate, the UK doesn't seem to be in a good place right now tbh, its so anti-trans, and that's not even mentioning the whole brexit situation =c i feel so bad for you guys

[@woutervanr]

That ending comment was great. We all make mistakes. Lets hope roads in the future are designed to avoid conflict all together.

[@ianl1052]

Well said.

[@martinkent333]

Don't be silly. Traffic laws only work on ethical, conscientious people, not weasels. This cyclist rarely signalled and wears dark clothing, to be invisible to drivers wearing sunglasses. Do you obey traffic laws, Wouter? Do you have time to chat?

[@martinkent333]

@@ianl1052 Don't be silly! This cyclist rarely signalled and wears dark clothing making him invisible to drivers wearing sunglasses. Do you obey traffic laws Ian? Do you have time to chat?

[@ianl1052]

@@martinkent333 Ashley commented that there was no requirement to signal in those instances. So forgive me if I take the word of a professional driving instructor over a KZbin troll. How do you know he was in dark clothing? For all you know, he could have been wearing a hi vis vest.

[@martinkent333]

@@ianl1052 Not signaling is the sign of the "TWO WHEEL WEASEL!"

[@Pinie-ue9mz]

I promise to try and keep a safe distance for cyclists

[@matbbm]

Pinky promise

[@Pinie-ue9mz]

@@matbbm yes

[@TheJackKWhitehouse]

Respect 👊

[@drozycoder2007]

Thanks mate, it all helps

[@ynotnilknarf39]

there is no 'try', do or do not ...

[@bertrammemberberry4568]

not entirely related to this video, but I've always thought cycle lanes not physically separated from the main carriageway are more dangerous to cyclists than just sharing a lane. I think the white striped line makes other vehicles think its ok to pass closer to the cyclist than they otherwise would. i find car drivers tend to give more space when overtaking in a shared lane rather than the cyclist being in a marked cycle lane.

[@pg5200]

Agreed. Also, cycle lanes tend to be the exact place where cycling is the most dangerous when there are parked cars along the street :/ In that case it's way better to take the lane. But then some motorists won't understand the move and become agressive...

[@jakerockznoodles]

Agreed, near me we have some "cycle lanes" that are really just broken line markings that indicate the amount of room you should actually be giving the cyclists if you are doing an overtake. This I personally think is better, because while its never going to deter the most selfish of motorists, it does at least educate those more unaware. Not all motorists cycle, and IMO it's not made at all clear in the highway code what "enough space" for a cyclist actually looks like.

[@lukjad007]

Also where I live, cycle lanes on the side of roads tend to be gutters due to potholes, debris, and massive water buildup. Once I had to take a primary position because there had been a slide of muck and stone from an underpass and some guy got super mad and yelled at me to take the bike lane and the passenger started to open the door in traffic to do something. It was quite a complicated situation. I've also been yelled at for not cycling in the bus only lane, which is illegal to do unless specifically marked.

[@pg5200]

@@jakerockznoodles In the French code, the minimal distance for overtaking a cyclist is 1.5m (4.5ft) in the countryside and 1m (3ft) in cities. Depending on the speed of the motorists, even 2m would sometimes be too close to me.

[@andyalder7910]

They're worse than useless, they "push" cars into the middle of the road even when there's no bikes on their side making any overtake closer than it would be without them.

[@Petelmrg]

I get upset watching these cycling videos; I used to love cycling but where I live in a very rural area with lots of single and barely double width carriageways I decided my life was too precious. You can't ride your way out of danger on so many of our roads with the dreadful attitude of so many UK drivers towards cyclists.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

More likely to die as a pedestrian than you are as a cyclist. More people end up in hospital with head injuries from falling down stair, getting out the shower, faling over on the pavement, RTC in a motorvehicle etc etc than cyclists without helmets. In fact more children are killed by head injury alone in motorvehicle crashes (in England and Wales) than the total number of child cyclist deaths across the UK by all injury types. people's perception of danger is massively skewed

[@benfurfie1715]

Thanks for this Ashley. Always great to see cycling content on your channel. Just a quick one about the cyclist's positioning on the larger roundabouts. Having been hit by a motorist on a roundabout (and have the scar on my clavicle to remember it by), he's likely doing so because that position keeps you out of the blind spot caused the A pillar, is in the centre of where drivers look for traffic coming from behind the island, and also gives the motorist time to brake as they enter the roundabout and realise it isn't actually empty. If you're over in lane 1, there's a strong chance you won't be seen (A pillar blindspot), and that you as the cyclist, and the motorist will have zero time to react before you find yourself on the bonnet. Edit: Brake, not break 😂 🤦‍♂️

[@JenOnTheMove]

I would say the roundabout positioning in the first clip was more about self preservation - I think in the same situation I'd probably do something similar, even though it's technically not correct - think of the amount of drivers who straightline roundabouts at speed - if you're cycling on the left you'd stand no chance. Clearly hasn't held anyone up, as long as observations were good, I think it's fine tbh

[@Talkathon408]

Roundabouts are horrible junctions for cyclists the way they're configured in the UK in stark contrast to say Dutch ones.

[@DasArab]

Just in from a 35 mile cycle. I can actually say that 99.9% of motorists were pretty good. Only 1 arsehole blasting his horn because I wasn't using the shared path while doing 20mph on a road bike.....

[@michaelgurd7477]

Agreed. It's always the minority that spoil it for everyone else.

[@grahambonner508]

I find it depends upon the time of day, rush hour during the week can be bad because many people are in such a rush, evening in the town can be bad when the boy racers come out. Otherwise I agree, it's quite rare now that I experience a really bad pass.

[@thesilverydragon]

Right as I asked for more bicycle related videos on the previous video! Great timing Ashley! Glad to see others on two wheels do things right! Hope that people will continue submitting cycle videos!

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

It's also a great way to educate new cyclists, it's safe ( watching a vid ) the only other way would be a tandem. It also gives motorists a different perspective - and helps us all to work together.

[@srmoll]

I disagree with going over the centre of a mini-roundabout when its wet and particularly when its raining. The white paint can be very slippery in these conditions, and those on two wheels would be advised to slow and stay the to black stuff as much as possible. I have seen several cyclists come a cropper going over the mini-roundabouts in recent times. Especially in Richmond Park, London, where you get a LOT of cyclists and many trying to negotiate the mini-roundabouts as quickly as possible.

[@Abigail-Rebecca]

I was thinking exactly the same thing. The water-soaked paint coupled with the dome shape of a mini-roundabout is a lethal combination.

[@davidellis8141]

I agree also if you go around the roundabout the oncoming vehicle is not likely to hit you and gives more time to avoid.

[@fedoracay]

Some mini roundabouts are hard to cycle around. I don't know the one in the video, but I know a number where you actually could slip off if you were trying to go around it on a bike.

[@1ninjatiger]

@@davidellis8141 mini rabs can be awful to negotiate around on two wheels..cutting them but missing the white paint is something I do regularly (if its quiet)

[@1ninjatiger]

@@fedoracay agree..they are also dangerous on a motorbike

[@petermonk117]

I'm both a cyclist and motorist. A really great informative and thoughtful video Ashley. Thanks for that!

[@robertmccall379]

As a cyclist and motorist, I found this information very helpful and practical. I would also remind people that Road Tax is actually Vehicle Emissions Tax. Roads are paid for through the normal Tax System.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

You'll probably find that most cyclists own ( hence tax ) a motor vehicle so they pay tax anyway.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 thats irrelevant as VED is for pollution. We pay for road repairs through council and income tax.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

@@petyrkowalski9887 I think someone worked out that cyclists cause 1p of damage a year, but the health benefits save the NHS far more, plus we don't use imported fuel improving the balance of payments.

[@RunnerBeanzDad]

As you say at the end, we all make mistakes. As I see it, good driving involves creating safety margins large enough to allow us to recover from mistakes before anybody gets hurt.

[@rhyswilliams5923]

I usually move into the other lane when overtaking cyclists as if I was overtaking a car. Keeps both of is comfortable and safe

[@VaiSwitch]

Fair play to the guy in the majority of those clips. I know the area and he dealt with those roundabouts excellently!

[@dave597]

The infrastructure in UK for cyclists is abysmal compared to the Netherlands, investment is needed, no minor changes to the highway code will change that, i doubt most current drivers will even know about the upcoming changes.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

Double the number of people die on bicycles in NL, partly due BECAUSE of the segregated infra! They have four times less motoring miles in NL and yet double the cyclist deaths. How does that happen when you have such seperation? Segregation leads to more exposure at junctions to motor roads for one, this is the singularly worst juncture for deaths, motorists are less used to cyclists on roads because they are seperated, also the roads in NL for motors are brilliant, they are wide, smooth and connected. Segregated infra in NL is too often narrow and circuitous. The attitude of the Dutch motorist is actually no better than in the UK, I've experienced it, otherwise how do you get so many killed cyclists?

[@ijsthee2000]

Every time i am astonished about the lack of proper cycling infrastructure in your country. Also notice how all of the cyclists were on a sports bike

[@grahambonner508]

We could/should learn a lot from you guys!

[@tomstickland]

Yes, in the UK road conditions are so bad that on roads you mainly see men on racing bikes. If you go onto a cycle route such as the leisure routes on old railway lines then you'll see a massive diversity of bikes and riders.

[@jackw7714]

Yes, unfortunately this video gives the impression cycling is only for the fit and very brave, with almost impossible standards to keep up to (much higher than driving)

[@grahambonner508]

@@jackw7714 Agree, this is probably because these commuter guys are the ones who tend to have the head cams, but you don't have to ride fast to be safe.

[@ibs5080]

It's good you are doing these cycling videos Ash. They are a good learning point not only for cyclists but also from a drivers perspective. In fact as a general case with any of your videos I try to take away learning points from all categories of road users involved, from pedestrian all the way to articulated lorry driver, even if I am never a particular category. It's important to see things from other road users perspective too. Any idea when the new HC is being published based on "heirchy of road users" with respect to vulnerability? I've searched for a specific publish date but all I can find is "Autumn 2021"...and we are already in September. Sure also hope a massive publicity campaign will occur, since most motorists don't read the HC once they've passed their test. No use introducing new rules if folks aren't aware of them.

[@ashley_neal]

Not sure when the HC will go "live". When I do, I will let everyone know!

[@ibs5080]

@@ashley_neal Thanks Ash. I can anticipate (there's a good driving pun) a video or two from you when the new HC does come out. I'm actually really looking forward to the new rules and feel they are long overdue. There's actually a number of other rules / recommendations I wish would be implimented in the UK. I guess we will have to wait to see if they ever get implemented in the future. Examples: 1. A standard procedure when traffic lights fail at an intersection 2. Standarization as to who has priority at an unmarked intersection 3. A law requiring at least one lane of clearance to emergency / maintanance vehicles on motorway hard shoulders OR reduce speed to 50 mph if lane change unsafe I have several others, including not just rules for road users but changes in road design. For example, I think it's crazy in the UK that we have dual carriageways with traffic lights and a 70mph speed limit on the approach. Yes, you should still drive at a speed which is appropriate to the contitions but at least having it in law would be a good move too (e.g. reduction to 50mph limit on traffic light approach...plus electronic signs that flash advance warning when lights are about to change to red some distance before the actual traffic lights. Very common in Canada).

[@ianl1052]

It's nice to see some positive cycling videos. Proof that there's good and bad in all of us.

[@martinkent333]

@@ianl1052 This cyclist rarely signalled and wears dark clothing. He is a 'weasel."

[@martinkent333]

@@ibs5080 This cyclist raeley signals and wears dark clothing. He is a weasel.

[@a.nonymouse1291]

Close pass by the lorry: in those situations you have to either show courage and take the lane for yourself or just go on the pavement. Give them an opportunity and they'll take it however reckless it may be. On a two lane 30mph road as well, just take the entire lane. Is it selfish? No because there's a second lane for the cars to use. It takes less than a second to overtake if you can look further than the bonnet of your car.

[@DAFPvnk]

I'd like to advise cyclist at 01:00 gives more space when passing a lorry parked up like that, some drivers (unfortunately) don't look before opening the "barn doors" at the back of their vehicle and listen instead. Getting hit by those doors swinging open is not pleasant, especially when the wind catches them

[@dominicward3523]

Nice video! The bike and lorry clip is an interesting one. I agree with you that the cyclist should have been more central in the lane. However, for us oldies, it can be quite difficult to snap out if - bikes should stick to the side of the road. Please do a few more of these.

[@Gr1mR34p3r85]

To think I was driving a bike already at 10 years old. But actually it requires more skill than driving a car. I believe to be a good cyclist you need to have a driving license for at least 10 years.

[@PedroConejo1939]

And to be a good driver, you need to have ridden a bike for that long.

[@ianl1052]

Nice cycling indeed. He could become the *Jon* of the cycling world. Two recent encounters with cyclists (neither of them were doing anything wrong). 1. Driving my favourite country route from Redditch to SW Birmingham on Friday, I had a cyclist in front of me on a reasonably wide road on a bend with double white dividing lines in the middle so I couldn't overtake. Once the bend had finished, the double dividers disappeared. Just as I had clear view ahead, the cyclist looked over his right shoulder. Remembering one of your videos, I matched his speed, allowed him to take primary position and complete his right turn. Confirmation that I do pay attention. 2. Same route yesterday but an earlier stretch. Narrow road approaching the crest of a small hill with a slight S bend after it. In front of me an elderly cyclist, behind me a Landrover Defender a bit too close for my liking, I got the impression he was trying to insist I overtake the cyclist who was really slow. Knowing that road really well, I wasn't going to let myself be pushed into a dangerous overtaking maneuver. Good job, too. The moment I reached the crest, a car came from the opposite direction. A friendly wave from each of us and the road ahead, despite being a bit short, was clear enough for both of us to safely overtake a slow cyclist. We all got to live another day.

[@Tillyard86]

Oddly enough just this morning a cycles is in front of me on a side road approaching a junction onto a main road. Suddenly he moves across so he’s right in the middle of the road and I can’t pass him. For a moment I consider giving me horn a short beep just to be sure he’s aware of me, but then he singles right, and I realise I just wasn’t thinking about what he was planning.

[@kenbrown2808]

which is why if a cyclist can give a signal before time to start maneuvering, it can help drivers know what they're thinking.

[@jhferu]

@@kenbrown2808 that is great, but many times, keeping both hands on the handle bars trumps giving a signal - the quality of the road surface is often so poor that giving signals simply isn't an option. It is also very likely the cyclist checked over their shoulder, before moving right. This is a clear signal, that is missed by many motorists. Although, I do note that you said "if" :)

[@kenbrown2808]

@@jhferu yes, I said "if." it also bears mentioning, that modern bicycle hand signals often use the right hand to indicate a right turn and the left to indicate a left turn, instead of the formal signals I learned as a child, which makes signaling a bit easier

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@kenbrown2808 You should NEVER rely on a signal, particularly from a person on a bike. Road position is everything.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@ynotnilknarf39 not always. road position can mislead as badly as a wrong signal can. but that doesn't mean people shouldn't signal properly.

[@saundersdachicken6197]

Cyclist can legally go straight in that left lane. IMO was correct what he did. Most collisions on city streets are rear end collisions.

[@nathansmith25]

I’m a cyclist, I ride about 16-20hours a week with the majority of this on roads. I’ve learnt that the best thing to do as a cyclist is to keep everyone happy, so if I’m going up a climb and going quite slow I will keep close to the curb so drivers can get past safely. But if i’m riding much faster i’ll make myself visible and ride further to the middle of the lane. And if a driver does pass stupidly instead of making a fuss about it just get on with riding your bike coz otherwise you will end up very worked up by the end of your ride. I’m only 17 but I do have quite a lot of experience with riding on roads and to me this is how i’ve found it to be most enjoyable

[@drozycoder2007]

I'm really hoping to see myself on this. About a week ago I passed an Ashley Neil learner car which got overtaken on a junction by an impatient driver. My big sin though was forgetting my helmet, sorry Ashley!

[@x2beaches]

Thanks for following up from the last video with some good cycling. I commute daily in a busy city in the UK and it's nice to see you showcase good cycling. I've been enjoying your videos and admit my own cycling has become a lot more sensible, zen and flow positive over the past year. I'm happy to let cars overtake in spots where i'm probably a nuisance, but also happy riding primary where I feel i need to be. Half a year ago i nearly got doored on a really busy road and it massively shook me up, but i shouldn't have been riding so fast. It's a pleasure to see some amazing road users out there. I do agree with you, cyclist 1 needs to be more dominant with lane positioning, but as you say, it's probably a result of car drivers getting angry with them in the past. Cheers again for your informative, relaxing and engaging videos. If you were near me, i'd want you as a driving instructor.

[@shm5547]

Well, not to tempt fate, but had a nice 1.5 hour bike ride on country roads this afternoon and not a single numpty driver - maybe they're all watching this channel round here!

[@Gobbbbb]

I ride on two wheels (motorcyclist) and my biggest gripe is when you have a road clear on your side, and parked cars on the other side, cars love to squeeze through that small gap because you're a narrow vehicle. I hope you understand what I said lol.

[@justinn6865]

glad to see cyclists promoting the good activities :)

[@JeffJefferyUK]

Six people have marked this down. I'd love to know why...

[@thequadcleff4904]

This is very helpful especially for me - a novice cyclist. I'm doing a cycle ride for charity and this is very useful to keep extra safe for it. Thank you Ashley!! Also today, I passed my driving test with 8 minors. Very relieved and happy to say the least.

[@n00dles71]

As someone who has commuted by cycling in London for 20 years I can tell you the best advice is never pass a bus or truck without knowing with near certainty what they will do until your clear them. You must know the light phases give you enough time if you do and always get as far in front of their cab as you can and look back and make eye contact with the driver if your then stopped at a light. If you can't move with urgency until you can. Sometimes the road design will mean you may have to cross the stop line but I personally think the laws of physics and probability apply here before the law that says you have to stop in their blind zone.

[@problemchild1976]

Just nice to see a road user apologising at the end - doesnt happen very often in entitlement city ;)

[@12Burton24]

Time to do training time to not to...well sowing down and speeding up is a good interval training 😁

[@georgelane6350]

Great video, really covered off some important points. The guy who slips into Lane 2 at the roundabouts is probably trying to discourage motorists from overtaking in Lane 2 and cutting him off on the exit

[@solidairs]

Dodgy on the mini roundabout paint in the wet.

[@phillwainewright4221]

Good cyclists get my utmost respect. Idiots on bikes ignoring all the rules don't. It's as simple as that.

[@paulfaulkner6299]

Without blowing my own trumpet too much: When I was a kid. I used to go any and everywhere only bike within a 15 mile or so radius. I graduated onto a small, then a larger motorbike at 17 then I ran the bikes with a car until my mid 20s, then kept the car alone until age 55 before rediscovering cycling and its health benefits in July of 2018. I've ridden around 5 to 6 thousand miles a year over the past 3 years on my peddle cycle - as well as driving for work purposes or my shopping or to go much further (or where turning up as a sweat-ball has been inappropriate). I have NEVER caused an accident on a bike, motorbike or using my cars (though I have had people pull out on me and run into me on occasion). I really do know how vulnerable everyone is as a cyclist / motorcyclist and I think that the experience makes me a better motorist in anticipation and planning. As a motorist, for example, I drive on the gearbox and only use the brakes in an emergency or for that final act of stopping having come down through the gears at lights or a give way point, for example. I am NOT perfect, and I do make mistakes on occasion but my own driving record and how I make others feel when I am driving reflects the skills I acquired as a kid, then a motorcyclist. We should be encouraging youngsters to learn to ride / the highway code at school. We should be rewarding those who take cycling training at say 12 or 13 by granting them with an earlier moped then small motorcycle licence and perhaps even a car licence * PROVIDED THAT THEY DON'T ABUSE / MISUSE HAVING ONE * along with an appropriate discount on their insurance. When I got my 1st motorbike, I was permitted (had I wanted) to ride a 250cc it's that long ago. But I did do the very first 2 part tests (no CBT back then) and my car licence was just a single test. I passed all of them first time. I repeat, I am not perfect and I know that I periodically will make a mistake. What would I tell others: Be seen and wear a helmet on 2 wheels and DO IT UP so that it doesn't come off if it's needed at that moment of impact with the ground. Wear gloves too. Have a LOT of lights with some of them flashing. Say thank you with a smile if someone lets you out or waits for you (even if you actually do have right of way) and anticipate that other people will make mistakes. Don't be right and in pain. Avoid the crashes if you can. And don't ride on the pavement! And to other motorists reference cyclists: Other than the Tour de France elite cyclists, most cyclists (yes, even those in cycling clubs "wearing the gear") typically have about 1 third of a brake horse power at their disposal at most. I think even something like a Trabant has 20 BHP or so with a typical car here with 14 / 15 / 16 hundred CC engine having between 60 and 80 BHP. This means you have give or take 200 times the power at your disposal and effortlessly too. Just be patient, a little at times, eh? And too the idiots who think it's funny to blare hooters for a laugh when you're on top of a cyclist _to make them jump_ consider that you just might end up killing one of them. Do you really want to carry that for the rest of your life? Let's respect each other on the roads, eh. Well done Ashley for the opportunity to comment on these sorts of films

[@cyclecam6328]

My policy would be for those who can pass a cycle training day to have a tax rebate for VAT on cycling equipment

[@thecuttingsark5094]

With the truck overtake, sometimes I will have a look behind then wave vehicles past if possible. But I don’t take any chances. At lights I will wait in the queue as your cammer did but if it’s a long queue I go to the front, pull off quickly and then tuck in and let all the cars pass. I will not be stuck at a red and I’ve let all the cars go too.

[@thescottishpanda5]

I must say I do not agree with the first cyclist's positioning. I would have stayed in lane one and not hovered over two lanes, which I think would cause confusion. The second cyclist was really good, he showed care and consideration to other road users and is a great example of how to do it! Well done! As for the cyclist on the mini roundabout, I do not agree with him going the wrong way round the roundabout as it is still going the wrong way round. I have never had a close call at a mini roundabout that was caused by me being less visible because I went all the way round instead of over the mound.

[@plumbeats4573]

I agree as a cyclist it's best to play it safe when it comes to junctions etc. No one is perfect and you never know what kind of driver you may come across but in accident will be you thats in most danger. Always best to make sure that you are spotte

[@christaylor751]

Nice Video Ashley, good idea to show people who don't actually ride a bike, the cyclists view and to promote good cycling practices. How about a video showing the view from an HGV, Coach or bus drivers seat. I've never been in an HGV so have no idea what roads and other traffic looks like to them.

[@kenbrown2808]

it looks a bit like trying to walk on a balance beam with people jumping at you from all sides to try to make you miss your step and fall off.

[@adamsmithelec]

Sometimes when I do a good bit of driving, I like to think of Ashley giving me a solemn nod of approval. Maybe he should make a little Churchill style, nodding head figure of himself that we can pop on our dash to encourage us to drive better!

[@Jonc25]

Mine would always be shaking its head.😄

[@albarn100]

1.56-4.01 great riding but I notice the person is on a black bike with predominantly dark clothing from the camera angle. Rule 1 of safe cycling should be make yourself as visible as possible to others.

[@edwardlamb]

Nice little vid! I like riding with a chest mounted camera as it gives lots of extra visual data - braking, changing gears, acceleration, etc. as well as giving a good perspective for how close some drivers pass. Thanks as ever, Ashley and to the contributors!

[@a.nonymouse1291]

Oh they're chest mounted? I thought it was on the seatpost or something. Didn't think of it in that way, that it shows braking. That's a good point.

[@cyclecam6328]

@@a.nonymouse1291 Looks like they're mounted to the helmet 😉

[@Daveador876]

Yes the camera is mounted on my chest, not a fan of head mounts as they normally video the floor or gives me motion sickness when I watch it.

[@theripper820]

Love the last clip that he actually said sorry, that generally goes a long way

[@derekmulready1523]

Ah, the hazard's, when a local Authority fits road drainage inline with the road, or Telecom Companies insisting that their inspection manholes are always recessed below the road surface. No other utility does this. 🇮🇪🇪🇺

[@grahambonner508]

Is it me or do the iron access covers often seem to be on bends! lethal in the wet for two wheelers!

[@sniperwales]

A great video, I'll be trying to use some of these points on my next ride

[@alexwalker9803]

Primary position is such a difficult one, it is open to interpretation and some drivers are more understanding than others and that requires education. Another point to educate on is that just because there is cycle infrastructure available it does not mean it is useable or safe. I have taken prime position on one road during my commute that has a cycle lane because that lane stops at the point where there road opens out into three lanes and people merge across without looking. It keeps me safe but I get abuse for it even though I am traveling with the traffic. Going the other way there is a shared pavement that the cycle lane with a bus stop in the way

[@PedroConejo1939]

Yep, I concur. There is a rather unsafe cycle lane on the pavement near me - I didn't even realise it was there at first because the signs were hidden by overgrowth and the tree root growing out of the tarmac are a real risk - and staying on the road brings down all sorts of anger, even though the very same drivers are stationary just 100 metres up the road and I can then ride past them, on the road, on a section with no cycle path. Some drivers seem to believe that the expression 'driving is a privilege' means that driving makes them privileged. They treat pedestrians just as badly.

[@sassyboofle6983]

That was good riding , good that you remind everyone to try a bit more courteous and responsible for our own actions . 👍

[@davidgarfoot3436]

first time today i got back on my bike after being knocked off 9 years ago by a taxi retired now so sold my car bought a bike my arse and legs are aching

[@cyclecam6328]

If you're aches are from your muscles being used then great, but if you're sore in your lower back and private area a bike fit can save you a lot of misery and keep you motivated. There's a lot of DIY vids on KZbin.

[@ReviewDude]

It will pass - promise! Invest in some good cycling shorts and keep riding when you feel able, in a few weeks you won't get those pains anymore... Unless you want to go further, that is 😉

[@davidgarfoot3436]

@@ReviewDude yes going back on tomorrow a few miles a day till i get more confident yes was jelly legs

[@davidgarfoot3436]

@@cyclecam6328 yes was muscles aching now retired at 57 wanted get back cycling again i will check them out cheers

[@koppadasao]

I've seen a lot of bad cycling on KZbin, most of which are adults who are worse cyclists than I was at 13

[@calumbutter6124]

I adore your cycling videos. I've been driving nearly forty years but my passion is my roadbike. I think I've got the driving licked but I love your input on cycling. You give me confidence on the saddle.

[@badabing8884]

I had one driver overtake me come within about 30 cm of me on my bike. Had a bloody cup of coffee and a cigarette in his right hand whilst low steering with his left. I was in secondary and had I been in primary no doubt he would still have close passed me or rammed me from behind.

[@calvinjonesyoutube]

In response to a popular comment about primary position. Taking primary position at junctions adds clarity and increases visability it makes complete sense. Maintaining this position for miles and miles on narrow roads, or where cars have matched your speed and are trying to get by is inconsiderate and nonsensical.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

Cutting over a mini roundabout, particularly in the wet is asking for trouble, there's a very good reason for not doing this and for you to say you think this makes the cyclist more visible is patently nonsense. Clearing the first rbt "quickly", nope, you need to keep your pace, not speed up for the convenience of others, you're not reducing risk at all, you're INCREASING risk. More exposure time DOES NOT EQUAL MORE RISK ASHLEY!! Also if you cut over the mini rbt you've less control (slippery uneven surface) and you're encouraging motorists to encroach over the give way line early to come behind you. At that juncture you have no control, by going fully around the rbt you are more likely to keep the motorists/those having to cede at bay or slow them down sufficiently for you to clear the rbt fully. As pointed out a bit too late, the cyclist is in the gutter far too often, particularly when on the MTB. When in the narrow road with parked cars, he should have moved into the centre of the road, he's passing too close to vehicles like the works van, he's let one vehicle through, why? The close pass afterwards was pretty much guaranteed. Make the other road users wait until it's safe for them, you only set a mark that cyclists should get out the way, you're modiying (negatively) how drivers think. this all ends with the the reckless close pass by the HGV driver. He did some good things, other things he really needs some instruction, road positioning particularly. Lastly, people on cycles do not need to indicate, road position is everything, you absolutely need to be fully in control and motorists need to understand that people on bikes are not going to hand signal for their convenience, it's encumbent on them to be aware of the hazard they present to vulnerable road users, that it's not required of people on bikes and that is is a mere courtesy IF it is safe and the cyclist feels they want to do that. No criticism should ever be levelled or inferred that people who do not indicate are not 'nice' or 'safe'.

[@nebula_tm]

The guy cycling at 4:15 is crazy. Not because of anything obvious, but cycling up that hill is insane. My old car struggles to get up it from time to time!

[@Daveador876]

That portsdown hill, north of Portsmouth, its a long old hill. That's why I'm taking a drink of water and soaking my head before I start climbing.

[@nebula_tm]

@@Daveador876 I can't blame you!

[@petyrkowalski9887]

On my bike at some junctions and pinch points, I have been cut up, squashed and otherwise mal-treated by motorists so many times, I now check back, signal out and take primary position through these points. It reduces my risk, makes my intentions clear and makes me visible. As soon as I have cleared these points I pull in and let cars by…all in 20 mph limits I might add and my flat speed is around 20 so I cant be accused of holding anyone up.

[@Shyted]

Anyone know about cadence? The mountain biker looks to be very inefficient with his pedalling, could that be improved?

[@SnedzTheBricklayer]

Was driving down the main road in my town yesterday. There was a chubby 9 year old boy with glasses on a bike on the otherside, in the middle of the lane, doing about 5mph , no helmet or anything and then signaled left like the legend he is 😅✊

[@WheelersAtLarge]

Cycling that close to the kerb, in the door zone and with poor lane positioning will end in disaster and nearly did twice in this video.

[@LinxyWun]

Second to last cyclist, I can see what he was thinking in a way with staying to the left, because he was in position to keep to the curb when he got there, but i think possibly he didn't anticipate a lorry coming up from behind him, just expected a car maybe? So the "c'monn" was also abit of surprise reaction because he was just expecting a car that could have given more space - he felt like he was doing the right thing and tbf... (I'm no cyclist- I haven't rode a bike in serious years because its scares me 😂) if I was him I'd have done the same thing I think 🚲

[@thomaslubben8559]

Thanks for the video, but I think there shouldn't be a need to 'cycle nicely'. The infrastructure should be there to accommodate bicycle transportation. This and other videos illustrate the appalling lack of bicycle infrastructure in the UK. If the Netherlands can do it, with higher population density, and similar climate and city layout, so can the UK. There just is no will to do so. With all the congestion fees, the fact this is not accompanied by building appropriate bicycle infrastructure is perplexing and disappointing. Dutch cities don't have congestion fees. They have addressed congestion by proactively by building bicycle and transportation infrastructure instead. London and other UK cities could do the same. But there is no desire or will. Even many US and Canadian cities are better than any UK city. I'd love to cycle in the UK. But not until it's not suicidal.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

No need to build segregated lanes, just reappropriate the existing highway. this then forces motorists out of their vehicles. Cycling is reducing in netherlands because they push cyclists off the roads and build lovely connected/direct roads for motorists. And the end result is actually more cyclist deaths in netherlands, twice as many than in the UK. Segregation is not the nirvana you are led it to be, there's psychological reasons why they fail on many aspects of safety of human beings and how they can be discouraging to cycling - indirect/circuitous, not always connected, narrow in places and not always that well maintained. At the same time roads for motorists encourage driving, even in the newest suburbs of Utrecht, wide, direct/connected and always well constructed/maintained. this is why cycling is going backwards and motoring is increasing. the stats have been shovelled out for years but the reality is there's less safety and les cycling because of segregation (cycling overall was 35% in the 70s, it's now around 25% best case)

[@thomaslubben2021]

@@ynotnilknarf39 Your numbers don't show the true picture. Overall, in the UK and in the US, 1% or less of trips are done by bicycle. In the Netherlands overall, as you state, it is about 25%- 25x higher than either the US or UK. In particular cities, this is similarly true. 2.5% of trips in London are done by bicycle; In Amsterdam that number is 36%- 15x higher than London. In Utrecht it is 51%- 20x higher than London. In all places, most (>80%) of bicycle fatalities are by collision with motor vehicles- so separating bikes and cars is good. Netherlands bicycle fatalities are indeed twice the numbers of that of the UK- but with a 25-fold higher use of bikes. So on a use basis, biking in the Netherlands is about 12.5x safer than in the UK. US numbers are similar to the UK in terms of % of trips by bikes and fatalities as a percentage.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@thomaslubben2021 They do stack up, you need to look at the averager number of miles per cyclist for one. this is if you use the old NL numbers 7x more per person than UK, NL has been dropping cycling numbers for years but continue with the old numbers because otherwise it exposes the lies/falsehoods regards cycling safety and safety in numbers. So you already have 4 times fewer motorist miles, and as a % more of this is on the motorway so even less exposure to motor traffic than UK than the actual total miles travelled by people in motorvehicles. So the exposure value of cyclists to motmultiple times lower than for UK cyclists. Add in the 2x cyclist deaths in NL, so you either have the safety in numbers theory is bunk, OR, the segregated lanes are not as safe as is being made out. Remember cycling has dropped in NL from mid 30% in the 1970s BEFORE kindermoort and any semblance of segregated lanes, to the promoted 26% in the last few years. About a third of all Dutch cyclist deaths occur where segregated lanes encounter a motor road. Rather than removing the lanes for motoring and using part of that for cycling, the Dutch kept the road lanes in many areas (A new suburb outside of Utrecht has a nice smooth dual carriageway from it into the city thus making it easy for people to drive) and simply pushed cyclists off the roads. Disjointed infra even in NL, circuitous which makes it harder/further -try getting a decent straight line route from the South East of Amsterdam on cycle routes (you can't, only the car roads do that) and the latest data shows 3 years running motor car sales increased (aside from 2020 which is different for a reason). If segregated worked then the numbers )(of people cycling) would be going up consistantly the more that is built and the deaths would be significantly lower not continually going on an upward trend.

[@petesmitt]

That truck driver at the beginning was inches away from killing the cyclist.. criminal behaviour.

[@davidrumming4734]

Good stuff…. But as a driver, I wouldn’t have passed that cyclist on that last junction until I knew where he was going (vague lane position could mean anything).

[@PP-cm4re]

I hope he reported that lorry with the close pass. He’s going to kill someone if that’s his attitude towards cyclists. Getting clipped by a car and you will likely just get knocked off your bike. But a lorry, you’re going under the wheels.

[@themittonmethod1243]

Third clip.. when you talk about lane position... this is even more important with bicyclists than it is with motorbikes. In the UK, the bicycle should, since he was keeping up with traffic, been in either center or right lane position, to dominate the lane and present himself in the line of sight of the driver of vehicles behind. I do not know about the UK, but lane position with regard to traffic is not taught/emphasized in Canada, other than a few of us mentors. Cheers from BC Canada.

[@pdservices6681]

Taking primary position is ok with a motorcycle as you can keep up with traffic flow. Cyclists don't want to slow down, they want to keep momentum, unlike powered vehicles who will slow or accelerate coming up to an obstacle if another vehicle is attempting to pass them. Cyclists don't want to stop for lights, they don't slow down while in theory undertaking which if a car does the same it is an offence. Cyclists put themselves in positions which causes conflicts and risk to life, all because they do not want to lose momentum. Motorcyclists do a lot of the same but are able to get out of trouble easier or into it. Car drivers feel insulated and sometimes invulnerable, but at 30 miles an hour having an accident isn't normally a problem for them. Lorry drivers bully but are also more aware of the damage they can do, especially around town roads.

[@DarrenHannah]

1:05 I would agree with almost every bit of analysis in this video, but I do have to disagree with the comment about cutting the mini-roundabout. I think it's a bad idea, especially in this situation as there was an oncoming car. Motorists need to know where you're going so they can judge their own gaps to take. That car might have judged that there was enough time for them to pull into the roundabout because they were expecting the cyclist to go around the painted circle as he was supposed to. The cyclist cutting over the roundabout could cause issues, in particular if the motorist was feeling impatient.

[@michaelwillis4528]

@3.27 the cyclist does actually signal for vehicles behind

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

Some nice examples of the way cyclists should be....

[@1ninjatiger]

Most are !

[@Daveador876]

Thank you

[@hadtopicausername]

Taking primary position is a double edged sword. Yes, it will deter quite a few drivers from passing where they really shouldn't. But then you've got the ones who just insist on passing anyway, showing no patience whatsoever. At that point, all I can do, is move over to the side of the road and pray there's no oncoming traffic round that blind corner. Because if there is, that passing car, now being so far over into the other lane, is going to smash right into said oncoming traffic and take me out in the process.

[@radishpea6615]

one rule for cyclists when it comes to mini roundabouts, really? Please tell me which rule in the highway code you are thinking of! When driving I am not expecting a cyclist to come around the roundabout from the wrong side.

[@nathanbloke]

When you started talking, I genuinely thought I'd fallen into a Chris Boardman video. Oops!

[@Pilot.0101]

That last clip is in Sheffield, where the cyclist went is heading out of town to the Peak District. That junction is a bloody nightmare, you can't see approaching traffic from the right coming over a rise, on what is a busy route out of town. Chances are they both went in the one gap that comes along every week or so and got tangled up.

[@snoobie6008]

The cyclist passing the cars waiting on the narrow road could have waited as soon as he realized why they were stopped. Personally I find it a little bit rude to keep moving, sort of forcing his way through anyway, rather than holding back and giving the vans some space to leave.

[@scottvessey915]

The guy overtaken by the lorry doesn't have the best positioning sense. You point out him moving out of lane 1 when going across the roundabouts, totally agree. He has a habit of hugging the kerb too much in all his other clips, a better position would be 1 foot to the right most of the time, and definitely primary position at junctions such as those traffic lights.

[@Wiki7202]

This is great, could we have more cycling analysis please. i am a cyclist that commutes 9 miles each way to and from work and i see alot of this stuff. there is a section thats is downhill and 20mph i always ride centre of my lane defensively and slow there because of too many close calls with people pulling out, opening doors or walking into the road. perhaps some lessons for pedestrians too! as a learner driver though, i always try to give more room than the minimum because i know what it is like for the cyclists. but a good reference for drivers is 1 fully open car door plus a little bit where possible. not always possible but it is always appreciated when you do a wider pass

[@TheRip72]

In the last clip, the last cyclist stopped in the queue of traffic where the wing mirror of the car in front should be set up to see. This is good because creeping forward would have taken him into a blind spot & the cyclist was probably fully aware of this.

[@nickeveritt4391]

Very first video in the intro is a classic example of how what quite often passes for a cycle lane in this country (just a white line drawn on the road barely wider than mountain bike handlebars) causes drivers to think they can pass anywhere so long as they are just the other side of it. Completely ridiculous and don’t even get me started on them also ending and starting when suited to the road, usually at the point that poses the most risk to cyclists.

[@ChrisJohnson-pd4hh]

Would you consider those plastic arm things that stick out from a bike to discourage close passes any use? I have lately been considering one but have my doubts.

[@Grant2406]

I will say for the cyclist in the first couple of clips, those roundabouts are not great. If said cyclist doesn't drive either, the roundabout just at the Zebra crossing is really not nice. I go on that roundabout fairly often and few people do it correctly.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

5.05 Whilst I'm in a queue on a bike I like to keep just to the right so the vehicle in front can see me in their wing mirror, so they know that I'm not creeping up on the other side. I also look behind me if I'm near a turn so if I see the car behind indicating I can try to let them get past.

[@IDann1]

The cyclist are not helping by wearing all black, for the black bike. there’s a lot of blind people out there, it’s gonna make it hard for them to see you

[@philroo1]

1:30 cycling in the door zone passing parked cars. Used to be that you could look in through the window to check cars are empty but now everyone has shaded glass at the back.

[@lamf4846]

One point not raised in the comments is that the cycling depicted in the clips is done by those capable of decent speed relative to traffic. Less athletic cyclists are at more danger, especially in certain circumstances, such as roundabouts.

[@zzhughesd]

Ashley. Not many cyclists take up a prominent mid lane position. Especially not at a junction. Good call. .

[@WhosPhotoTube]

Never understood why some cyclists throw away the bells? Bells are great for warning others of your presence.

[@JM-rm3lt]

My father was killed by a dangerous lorry driver. I really appreciate this video Ashley.

[@steve00alt70]

The users should send these camera footages to the councils and transport infrastructure to make them aware this is what happens when there is no dedicated cycle lanes like amsterdam. I install a big blowhorn on handlebars when anyone gets way too close.

[@jasimmathsandphysics]

I went on a main road today and thankfully the drivers around me drove safe. Probably because I has school uniform on

[@LetMattEntertainYou]

This is the same junction from the famous clip where there's a lorry sat in lane 2 at the red light and a group of about 5 cyclists come up the left hand turn lane and then start shouting at the lorry driver when they go straight on and the lorry doesn't see them.

[@sb_dunk]

Don't forget it must be pretty hard cycling when you're Slender Man