Niche Zero vs DF64 (with SSP cast burrs). | Espresso and pour over test.

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[@Tass...]

I own a Niche and a friend has the DF64. he brought it over so we could do some espresso comparisons lest week and i much prefered the mouth feel and body of my niche. Some of the more subtle differences that my friend picked up on i really couldn't I put that down to me being a smoker. I really don't think i am missing out on anything not having a flat burr grinder was my conclusion. This video pretty much confirmed it. Thanks Jack!

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you for sharing. Sometimes I get better shots from DF64 , sometimes from the Niche. It all depends on coffee and profile I use. I would say that both of them can be a great combo.

[@tarekh1377]

@@mycoffeeshow111 df64 for espresso, you prefer MP ? Or now there is improvement for cast burrs?

[@mycoffeeshow111]

@@tarekh1377 hi, there is definitely an improvement but still MP give me more in terms of overall flavour. At some point I will compare both and we will see.

[@tarekh1377]

@@mycoffeeshow111I look forward to this comparison ,just I'm trying to understand why some peoples in the forums and youtube are obsessed with this Cast burrs! they all say this is the only burrs who give both body and good clarity !

[@JamieD247]

So glad I seen this literally just ordered the niche zero today as have been wanting one for so long.. seen many comparisons but the niche always seems to come up on top

[@Jahloveipraise]

Great job Jack! I have MP in my df64. Makes great coffee but I always go to my niche just because the workflow is so much smoother and cleaner lol

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you. Niche is a very good overall grinder in this price range.

[@michaelmervyn7393]

Best coffee show on KZbin 😎

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you! 100% agree 😛

[@seniormysterioso7552]

I agree with many of the other commenters that your presentation and self depravation with honesty is great. My only request/question would be to let the pourovers cool and try again before pouring out. Other than that don’t change a thing. I own a Niche that a friend is borrowing to compare to the DF64 with lab sweets. He prefers the DF64. I’ll try them side by side soon.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you very much! Sometimes I do rush those things. My family allocates only a very limited time on Sunday to record. What would be the optimal temperature? 85C?

[@seniormysterioso7552]

@@mycoffeeshow111 I can totally understand that being the videographer, actor, director and taster is challenging to say the least! I guess temperature is subjective but I keep coming across videos and articles saying that the cooler a drink gets the more flavors you can taste. So my go-to temp with my ember mug is currently 53C. However I like having it from 60-50C and noticing/enjoying the flavor changes as it cools. Harder to do in video format though. Maybe one hot taste and then a cooler taste later if time permits.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

@@seniormysterioso7552 thank you very much. You are of course right- sense of taste works better with mid range temperatures. I often try to bring the temperature down b4 tasting to unlock the full aroma.

[@erikngomez]

I love your videos and the hints of self deprecation. Keep it up. :)

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you for watching!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

So much fun, love the blind taste, nicely done

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you!

[@jakevan1969]

Thanks Jack. This is a very important comparison given all the talk about the many burrs available for 64 mm grinders like the DF 64. As far as I can tell, there really aren't that many that make a more traditional espresso, maybe just Italmill, Mazzer flats and SSP HU? And, with that, HU doesn't seem to be for everybody's taste. I wonder if we are too busy hyping new gear when we should be getting back to basics. Seems to me like the Niche is still very much in the game.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thx for watching. Different people like different tastes. Even myself, sometimes I look for clarity, sometimes I like reach thick shot. HU burrs for DF83 haven’t impressed me, not worth the price tag. I sold my Niche Zero long time ago but I just got Niche Duo. Unboxing video should be available very soon.

[@jakevan1969]

@@mycoffeeshow111 The HU burrs on your DF 83 was a very interesting video and speaks to this. Interesting that there might be new DLC burrs for the DF 83 coming out. Love the channel. Keep up the good work. Thanks.

[@jakevan1969]

@@mycoffeeshow111 You don't need the Niche when you have the MC5! Are the flavors you have been getting from a conical like the Niche different enough from the DF 83 with the Italmill burrs to justify having both grinders? Looking forward to your review of the Duo.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

@@jakevan1969 Since I modified the declumper DF83’s profile change a lot. B4 I would say both DF83 and Niche are on the similar side of spectrum. Now I can see the point of having both. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXeviWmMpruWecU

[@mycoffeeshow111]

@@jakevan1969 thank you very much. Not sure if I will be able to afford another burrs but who knows.

[@tarekh1377]

Thanks for comparaison, I think this burrs are designed for filter coffee, lot of people in KZbin says that this burrs are amazing for espresso, but now with this video I don't see that, i see that they are tricky and difficult to setting for espresso, I think for me who want a balanced espresso with body and clarity and fruitness, better stay with Itamil burrs.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you for watching. It is definitely easier to dial in with Itamill and I was really happy with them. I had many amazing pour overs with those cast burrs but unfortunately for this video it wasn’t the case. I will still use them for the next few months b4 switching back to MP (which are also tricky but much better for espresso).

[@semipro33]

I like your style of presentation 🙂

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you so much!

[@rendez2k]

Great episode again! I have the DF64 with SSP MP, DF83 and was just debating today about adding the niche. Seems here that it still has a place? It feels many have moved away from the niche as newer grinders have appeared. Do you use yours a lot still?

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you. The Niche is great grinder in its class and perfect combo with DF64 but the flavour notes are too similar with DF83 so in your case I would not recommend it. I have a video about this very subject: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXeviWmMpruWecU

[@lewis40001]

Hi, I hear that there are two versions of the SSP cast burrs and the newer second version is better for espresso. Which version did you use, the first cast burr or the newer second one? Thanks.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Hi, you are correct. I heard the same. Looks like mine is the previous one

[@frobeniusisomorphism2416]

Love the grinder videos! Would you say that the MC5 with the shurikone burrs is the best grinder you've ever tried?

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Thank you. Definitely. I just sometimes miss some sharpness in the flavour. That is why I have ordered Flat Max which should arrive May.

[@frobeniusisomorphism2416]

@@mycoffeeshow111 That is so exciting!

[@rafaelrocha8046]

I need help understanding how to brew better filter coffee using SSP LS withDF64 gen2. I took out my V60 and 1zepresso zp6 and made a delicious coffee with strawberry and lavender flavors. It was so good I decided to brew a second cup using my DF64 with SSP LS (i recive recently, just 2 times use). It was really a different cup flavor. The strawberry and lavender were gone. 1zpresso setting at 52 click, DF64 at 60 So I thought it could be underextraction so I matched the grind size (50 from touching) and still nothing amazing. I'm lost, how can the same coffee with the same recipe and same water give such difference that I can't say it's the same coffee. The drawdown time was a bit longer with the SSP LS at 60 from touching and quite longer at 50. Longer contact time should result with more flavor extracted but no, only a tea like coffee without any flavor poping. Is that i season need? whats your setting?

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Ok. I had some mixed luck with cast burrs. What I have been told, they need lots of seasoning. People quoted anything between 5-25kg of coffee. Yes, that much. Give them a chance. If you still don’t like them, it is easy to resell. Good luck.

[@rafaelrocha8046]

@@mycoffeeshow111 Thank you very much. How do I season? Can I grind 1kg of coffee at once? Which “click” is used, thicker or thinner?

[@mycoffeeshow111]

@@rafaelrocha8046 careful not to clogg or burn the motor. Touch the grinder. If too hot give it a rest. Use the. blowerI do it on the coarser settings.

[@rafaelrocha8046]

@@mycoffeeshow111thanks a lot for your help 🙏🏼

[@jlyt18]

Looking to add a 64 flat to run along side my niche. Mainly drink medium milk drinks for eapressos and light for pourovers. Deciding between ssp cast and MP, any thoughts? My concerb qith the MP would be it being bad for espresso milk drinks and being single use

[@mycoffeeshow111]

Niche and 64 flat would be great combo. Niche should work perfectly for your milk drinks therefore I would recommend MP. I was disappointed with Cast burrs- very tricky for espresso, ok for pour overs but MP would be my choice. HU is also an option, although I only tried 83mm.

[@jiewwantan977]

What about Niche compared to DF83 with SSP high uniformity burr?. I bought it and am still waiting for delivery. I’m unsure if I should start using it with the default Itamil burr or go straight to SSP HU. I don’t have a Niche but DF64 with SSP MP. I really forward to seeing how much DF83 will improve my expresso especially when using it with SSP HU.

[@mycoffeeshow111]

I compared the Niche with DF83 with Itamil (kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXeviWmMpruWecU) and flavours were similar but I liked the build and overall experience of DF83 more. I can’t buy everything so decided to skip on 83mm HU and possibly wait for some new burrs. My advice would be to try standard burrs first- you may like them a lot as they should compliment your df64 mp nicely.

[@jiewwantan977]

@@mycoffeeshow111 Thanks for the recommendation. I did watch your DF83 vs Niche video. In fact, that video played a part in my decision on DF83. :). When I get my DF83, if I find anything interesting after trying DF83 with SSP HU, I will put a note in one of your videos. Meanwhile, yes, will be thrilled to see if you find any other interesting burrs for DF83. Your videos especially grinder and tasting videos have always been my coffee inspiration. :D

[@mycoffeeshow111]

@@jiewwantan977 thank you very much for your kind words!