Nick Cave: Christ, the Devil and the duty to offend

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Faith, Hope & Carnage: Join legendary musician and bestselling writer Nick Cave as he discusses his new book and beyond with UnHerd’s Freddie Sayers.
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// TIMECODES //
00:00 - 02:38 - Introduction
02:38 - 05:31 - How has Nick Cave changed over the years?
05:31 - 10:32 - Nick Cave explains his creative process
10:32 - 19:04 - “A wet blanket has been thrown over art in general” - cancel culture and the arts
19:04 - 27:08 - Nick Cave discusses rationalism and religion
27:08 - 34:35 - How has grief impacted Cave’s life and work?
34:35 - 39:04 - Where does Nick Cave go next?
39:04 - 42:09 - Audience Q&A - what does the figure of Christ represent to Cave?
42:09 - 44:16 - Nick Cave’s relationship to Leonard Cohen’s work
44:16 - 45:53 - Does Cave believe in angels?
45:53 - 47:27 - What makes Nick Cave laugh?
47:27 - 51:23 - Can artists still make brilliant works if they feel complete as a person?
51:23 - 56:40 - Have Nick Cave’s songs become more like prayers as he’s gotten older?
56:40 - 59:18 - Today’s counterculture: go to church and be a conservative
59:18 - 1:01:44 - Did Nick Cave’s childhood leave him feeling alienated?
1:01:44 - 1:04:05 - What does Cave think are his most problematic songs?
1:04:05 - 1:09:32 - How does Nick Cave explain his religiosity?
1:09:32 - 1:09:50 - Is Nick Cave becoming obsessed with sex as he gets older?
1:09:50 - 1:10:27 - Concluding thoughts
#UnHerd #NickCave #FaithHopeandCarnage

[@grenvillephillips6998]

In an age when the world is divided by conflicting certainties, ambivalence seems wiser and more truthful.

[@veerchasm1]

I am a late-comer in discovering Nick. I am overwhelmed by the depth of his journey. So glad I did find him. I can relate so much to his struggles with faith and the creative process. I lost my daughter recently and his words of how he came to terms with his son bring me comfort. In the current climate we need more like Nick. Great interview: well recorded, the setting, the sound, the questions

[@lauraanne5175]

I wish you love and healing my friend X

[@te9591]

If you ever get a chance check out his Western "the proposition" with Guy Pearce.

[@fionabell1744]

I never met this man or knew anything about him until now and i have cried a few times listening to this. He has a soul i understand and connect with. Beautiful x

[@lauraanne5175]

enjoy your journey. He has been by my side sine 1996. Not always the best companion, but I wouldn't trade his insight for the world

[@pena.3302]

you really cant wrong w/-Mr Nick Cave.&'The BadSeeds..lots to get to know..good;/ luck&.choice/

[@te9591]

Really cried? That is bad ass.

[@merg-vh5sx]

His music was always incredible as a result.

[@GoannaUK]

Grief can throw you into an unexpected and surprising state of grace where you suddenly feel connected with everything and everyone. It is another kind of state that I found a huge help while in deep grief.

[@Lownly1]

Same

[@johnpruett5258]

"Living outside the expectations of other people".....love that. Nick looks so good and still the same virtually.

[@GodNeedsNoReligion]

This is so unexpected and awesome. Been a Cave fan since 94, never thought I'd see him on Unherd but it is a sublime choice!

[@sorenkierkegaard3]

One can feel the authenticity, depth and openess here. It is incredibly attractive. More of this, please.

[@PaoloLery]

Nick is solid gold.

[@robmcafe]

Yes felt that one minute in.

[@kennethguitarfiend4493]

Sadly there is only one nick cave…

[@a.pviivi8235]

I just listening

[@metgirl5429]

A quiet fan for many years….. thank you It’s inevitable with pain and suffering …. We all grow up and mature with time ….. nice to see it in artists and alike …. In my life the last few years did do some good …. It did for me 🕊🙏🏻🕊

[@davidhoban3825]

Excellent 👍

[@MsBonzodog]

I came here overwhelmed by a loss three years ago. Grief has finally arrived. The hear Nick Caves journey through such an unimaginable loss has worked, oddly to lift me. Thank you both.

[@PlumGustave]

♥️

[@oldnatty61]

Yeah. Nobody cares. Get over it.

[@fraserbailey6347]

it has been fascinating to follow Mr Cave's evolution over the last 40 years or so. As a 16 or 17 year old I traveled all the way to London from North Staffordshire to see what was due to be the Birthday Party's last ever UK gig, or perhaps their last ever gig,. It was at The Venue in Vitoria. They wouldn't let me in because I was so obviously not 18. I can still feel the disappointment.

[@maryhenri3254]

I saw the Birthday Party at the Ibeam in San Francisco. It was incredible. What a time to be alive and experience what was happening.

[@jonylawson73]

Wow ..all that distance 😅😅

[@kylebalmer3396]

if you were 17 it can't have been that obvious you weren't 18

[@alvareo92]

@@kylebalmer3396 many 18 year olds look quite obviously not 18

[@trevsanders5850]

"There's nothing in doing what you've done before" Dam! Best quote I've heard this year. Thank you Nick

[@Shammy333]

I'm only discovering Nick Cave now although he's my generation. Don't think it was the easiest interview Freddy has ever conducted, but how wonderful it was. Nick's raw humanity was palpable. Well done Freddy for going to tough places with this most compelling man.

[@fabiosplendido9536]

This is taking me a long time to get through.......I keep having to pause the conversation and listen to Nick Cave songs.

[@ianmlclm7044]

For me Nick Cave has really became an "Ultimate Colsoler". Every time I see or hear him, I become a better person and more calm. He is like an Ultimate ASMR video for me. I've been his fan since 1997.

[@Vgallo]

Colsoler ? Never heard this word before, thank you for educating me

[@B.B.Amsterdam]

He is just a singer and writer not a fuckin guru🤷

[@AdeleWildrose]

For me too! ❤

[@Niko-ru7ut]

@@B.B.Amsterdam Why rain on someone's parade? If Nick helps people, let them have it.

[@johnc2802]

I really enjoyed listening to Nick Cave's journey with faith and doubt. It was very relatable to my own.

[@KatAdVictoriam]

What a delight to sit and watch this interview. Nick's music and art has deeply impacted me going on 25 years now and holds a very special place in my life and my own attempts at creative expression; overcoming addiction and the impact of grief and reconciling one's faith. I did get a giggle from his advice on today's counterculture. I pray for Nick and his loved ones. God bless him!

[@michstockholm1164]

Thank you Freddy and thank you Nick. It's been an absolute pleasure listening to your conversation.

[@littleblue995]

Nick seems like a really good skin. Intelligent but very humble. I pray that he will encounter Christ in such a way that all his skepticism will completely vanish. Our Lord is knocking on the door of his heart in a special way right now and it’s a beautiful thing to see. God bless

[@PaxMundi118]

Somehow doubt and certainty can coincide.

[@banginghats2]

Ghosteen was like a full on spiritual experience for me. I mean shivers up the legs, back and head; a feeling in the gut and chest and lots of tears; plus a deep resonance that words can't describe. The album came out when I was in the middle of a dark night of the soul, caused by grief and trauma.

[@simpsimpson5175]

you sound very self obsessed

[@banginghats2]

​@@simpsimpson5175Maybe you will one day go through a major depression and PTSD and when that becomes the entirety of your existence you might then have a clue about how stupid your comment was.

[@helenmiller9288]

@@simpsimpson5175 you sound like a prick

[@upendasana7857]

@@simpsimpson5175 you sound like an utter prick

[@johndaley6562]

@@simpsimpson5175 You sound like a wanker

[@ashenden1928]

Wow! Great interview. Thank you UnHerd. Nick's songs have been an important part of my life. You just have to live a few decades to understand what he is talking about. There is a lyric that has sticked to me for all these years of existence: today is the time of courage, tomorrow of forgiveness, sweetheart come.

[@gavtalk958]

Today is the time of courage, tomorrow of forgiveness. Stunning. Thanks for sharing his lyrics. These mean something to me bc I was never convinced or convicted by the pandemic vaccines and the resistance required my courage. I was ostrasized, mocked and humiliated. But tomorrow has come and I've got to forgive the anti-human treatment I got. We must all become the sweet of heart.

[@jerrycornelius3466]

What a brilliant and sensitive conversation for a Good Friday

[@annieodowd6066]

Freddie is responding so deeply- he’s loving this discussion

[@KarlDMarx]

I think they should also have invite John Cleese ...

[@robyn2628]

@@annieodowd6066 i wouldve thought nick and freddie an unlikely duo, but they're cute together

[@grannyannie2948]

I'm an Australian, and not a church goer, but I believe in cultural observance of the sanctity of Easter. I was extremely offended by the title. Thankfully it hit my phone on Saturday, but I instantly realised it had been uploaded on Good Friday, whilst I was fasting and offline. I look forward to Unherd selecting a title likely to offend Muslims soon.

[@KarlDMarx]

@@grannyannie2948 strange attitude by a Christian

[@nevbay3752]

It appears that Nick is a man who is continually searching for belief but has not fully found it. I feel he has actually found it but has not realized it. Good on you Nick.

[@brucegelman5582]

An artist in the purist sense.Rare and precious.

[@northstar92]

Wasn't expecting this!

[@TheAnadromist]

Well done Freddy. I've been following Nick's story since the early 80's knowing that someone as open and scabrous as he was would have to eventually run into God's brick wall. And Nick if you read this, I salute you from one of those dodgy KZbin channels.

[@orangesurfboard2238]

Eventually!? The Mercy Seat from 1988 would suggest God has been involved in the songs from the beginning....

[@thomassloman9042]

One of the most candid sides I've seen of Nick and it makes me feel humble in relation to the changes that he and his family have gone through these last few years......and on another note it cheers me that he's (possibly) read Hitchens. Love you and your work Nick!!

[@ZiggyTheCat777]

Nick if you’re reading , God never withdrew from Jesus. He was always with Him .Jesus shared our humanity with all the anguish and pain - that is why he is the true propitiation and advocate for our brokenness- and the great task to redeem humanity was tinged with our human anguish and frailty. That’s why He was alone, but the Father was always with him. He cried out ‘it is finished’ …. his work on the cross - that redeems us all by faith in this selfless brave act of the ages- because God as man was the only one who could accomplish it- reconciliation manifest - Amen 🙏 Oh, and tender prey was the first record I ever bought x

[@kylewebster41]

So excited for this. Nicks been a beacon of integrity in the artistic world for decades

[@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt]

Do you mean deacon?

[@oldnatty61]

So excited for what exactly?

[@oldnatty61]

@@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt Clever I get it, but beacon is the right choice.

[@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt]

@@oldnatty61 excited for his 🏈🏀

[@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt]

@@oldnatty61 Ok, sorry. Have subscribed.

[@-fells-]

Thanks for this. It would be great to see a Nick Cave/Paul Kingsnorth conversation. Make it happen Unherd!

[@Lou-pv5zm]

That would be great

[@annieodowd6066]

The best stories are a melding of the uncanny and the sublime. Thank you for this conversation- so lovely for the Holy Week journey… a very deep vibrating too… especially with others around the world who are also on this annual pilgrimage

[@termination9353]

Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm. What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules. I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.

[@Life-Inspired-Healing]

You got my attention, UnHerd! Great work.

[@hughiedavies6069]

I once met nick cave, he was a gentleman, I gave him a Kylie Minogue bag from a pound shop I had hanging on my wall, he came back to my flat in Manchester after a gig in the 90s, we tried to score, he was very trusting and brought the whole band back even though we couldn't get any drug's, I respect him and his music, especially the boatmans call album, if he ever reads this, I know what that kind of grief feels like . I enjoyed this interview. 👍

[@tonyrandall3146]

that is pretty hilarious really.

[@lena-Ramone]

Im a manc too 😂 i can see this happening in manc 😂

[@seaofcronos675]

I listened to a lot of Nick Caves stuff during lockdown and was blown away by his song writing A genius.

[@ambermoon719]

Have been in love w Nick Cave for about 20 years now. The most tangible thing about him are his words. And his deep voice in song. Love Leonard Cohen too rip.

[@DominicDSouza]

So wonderful to come across this discussion. Although I'm a fan of Uherd already, I didn't expect this one and as usual, it sparked some great insights. Thank you!

[@wealllivetogether5202]

Wonderful interview with a person I appreciate more for "who" he is, rather than "what" he's done. Of late I've tried to, pardon the cliche, meet people where they are, instead of using them as some sort of human measuring stick to confirm how clever I am. I am not clever, yet I'm trying to keep my channels open. Freddy yet again asks brilliant questions. Thank you.

[@patrickhart7710]

... seeing Nick Cave in a new light! Enlightening and inspiring, thought provoking and honest. A brilliant interview. I will read his book and refamiliarise myself with his music.

[@nikemaria1]

Nick Cave is sooooo refreshing everytime he talks.... inspiring! Just as he is electrifying listening to his songs and performing on stage. Thanks a lot for this interview.

[@Fuzzywuzzywasawoman]

This is refreshing,I’m a christen and can totally relate to nick,it’s not something you can explain ,it’s an uncontrollable overwhelming feeling of love and it’s very personal,and once you’ve felt it your life changes

[@DetVen]

Christian

[@nathanmarsh3172]

Nick's sheer lack of contrivance makes him a rare thing indeed

[@Sentientdreamer]

I want to see a Nick Cave, Jonathan Pageau, and Jordan Peterson all chat for about 3 1/3 hours...❤️♥️❤️

[@katee7446]

I thought the exact same thing today! Lol

[@carongrand5737]

Love this! Thank-You for having & posting this intimate interview. Cave is a haunting wind in the secular arts, blowing out his points on church, Jesus, angels & the devil, rustling up his audience. No artist should be silenced or corralled which is the antithesis of being a creator. Artists reflect God, an eternal concept, who "In the beginning... created" so Cave has a great gift from the Divine & is the seen & known conduit for the unseen & mysterious Inspiration

[@ele2051]

I like Nick's honesty and the machinations of his mind very real very human & the interviewer is terrific in drawing out Nick's thoughts. I followed Jesus for decades now - sometimes doubting, sceptical, sometimes giving up but now am delighted to say having hung on I now know God as deeply real and as a deep spiritual friend and help. It feels something like having a great King who takes a genuine, personal and loving interest in His subject (a nobody in the scheme of things) but it's even better than that. Hope Nick gets to feel this eventually. God draws us slowly and ever so gently to Him, respecting our free will and our personal space -He's awesome. God bless you all.

[@vanessaware1272]

Loved it! So special, thank you ❤

[@eleneazmaiparashvili4080]

This is a struggle of wise men accepting salvation... I hope salvation will become more desirable to Nick over time than the fancy struggle itself... "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." Matthew 11:25

[@stevepereyda6025]

Super gay

[@nicolasbeaudry6158]

@@stevepereyda6025saying super gay is even gayier then gay

[@markmccormick4383]

Excellent point and a very appropriate verse.

[@calebbenjamin1089]

@@stevepereyda6025 what a remarkable response and alternative for us to consider.

[@johncarter1150]

I guess you are free to think as you please... if you want to believe... in nothing.

[@jackiechan8840]

Into my arms. What a song.

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

One of the most romantic songs ever made

[@giuseppersa2391]

Truly one of Unherd's best 🌹🌹🌹

[@danilodesnica3821]

Ageing has always had a sobering effect on people. In the words of an old poem "Kind David and King Solomon lead very merry lives, With oh so many concubines and oh so many wives. But when old age crept upon them with oh so many qualms, King Solomon wrote the Proverbs, and David wrote the Psalms."

[@Splinter8859]

Reaching into the side of Jesus into the wounds feeling it fully. That’s the human experience Nick keep travelling the road Damascus and singing your songs 🌱🙏🏽💜

[@DyzeDyze]

Nick Cave is such a beautiful human being. His Red Hands Files are the only newsletters that I bother to open and read religiously. So raw, earnest, spiritual, and non conforming. God bless his heart❤

[@Will-thon]

Nick Cave is the epitome of cool. Such a lovely, nuanced, thoughtful man

[@Haggis9]

Excellent interview. Perfect Easter meditation.

[@zazukaard1087]

Thanks for this fantastic interview!

[@pblossom3757]

Adore Nick Cave and have missed Leonard Cohen for his sublime presence in the world.. Seeing Nick here has made me realise that he is matching Leonard Cohen with his gentle wisdom and charismatic soul...

[@3mercury3]

Excellent, love the conversation. Thanks you two.

[@TheMichaela67]

Oh I loved this. Have met Nick a few times as well as seeing him perform numerous times. I appreciate his newly found openness. I identify with chunks of his journey with previous drug use, questions around faith etc. It's interesting how some people always want to make others 'define' their perception of Christ/God/faith as per the first audience question here.

[@RhythmicEye]

Sublime insights. Thank you Nick and Freddie!

[@patrickhughes4914]

I was introduced to Nick Cave in the late 90's. My roommate has murder ballads on CD. I love that record. But is so much more to him, I found over the years.

[@KurtSlotkowski-hj8jd]

I wouldn't say Nick Cave's early performances with Birthday Party were violent per se as much as there was a large emphasis on catastrophic shock as a catalyst for unresolved anguish and as a means of artistic expression as part of the creative process and human discovery. Also, I just want to say that my most favorite period of The Bad Seeds was between Kicking Against The Pricks up to Tender Prey, their most poignant and visceral years.

[@Guy-lo3ld]

I very much like The Bad Seeds albums you mentioned. I would also add that I love his first Bad Seeds album From Her to Eternity The Firstborn is Dead is quite good as well.... Anyway, great to know others still enjoy his comprehensive discography. He's such an unique creative force.

[@kwoylee5617]

Birthday Party concerts were incredibly violent - but most of that came from the audience, to the point where the band were fed up.

[@leonie563]

Nick love ya mate. Saw you guys in Perth a few times. Sorry for your loss, hold family and friends close everyone. It's so nice to hear him and totally jealous of UK for having him living there. Life can be cruel, but your legacy lives on in everyone you have touched. Like Vegemite, Tim Tams, Bondi, you are our Aussie symbol too.

[@AALavdas]

An excellent, no-nonsense, no-bullshit conversation. Nick Cave is a genuinely interesting and thinking person- as well as songwriter, of course. I have seem him live more than once, but never before in a conversation like this.

[@brianegan1620]

Excited for this

[@lemilemi5385]

I like him so much more as he passes middle age. Wish his family didnt have to experience their loss

[@DK-oy6ee]

It’s interesting to see the new strategy being adopted by the churches to influence us. Rather than belief or faith we are now told that seriously doubting religion is a normal part of being a member of the church. A clever sales pitch.

[@Dunc74]

Incredible interview, thankyou

[@sanjapajovic8483]

It's interesting how many times Nick uses "merciless" in the interview ... "Mercy" being so present in his songs as well.

[@Sokrabiades]

Yes, I thought the same.

[@blixarollins9115]

Gott Mit Uns Nick!! a superbly well measured and at the same time deep interview....thanks.

[@apollopursuingdaphne2976]

This is one of the best conversations/interviews I’ve seen in a long time. Amazing job Freddie

[@littlerebel296]

One of the best interviews I've seen was William F. Buckley Jr and Truman Capote...but I liked this one too. Oh, how times have devolved with intellect though.

[@M.O.1981]

Excellent stuff. Thank you.

[@marion4549]

Civilized conversation. Very enjoyable. Thank you, Gentlemen.

[@alexzannoni1501]

What a thoughtful, well grounded interview✌️

[@damienlynch5235]

I have being listening to Nick Cave since 1989- first time I saw him was in the sfx in Dublin when I was 20 on the Henry’s dream tour This is probably the best interview I have seen with nick cave - well done to the interviewer and the questions from the crowd

[@colincarson3537]

Wow! I’m not even a fan of Nick Cave’s music but this was fantastic. A room full of intelligent people having an honest conversation. I actually felt really moved by his openness and non-defensiveness. Wonderful stuff.

[@sgoldie3235]

What an absolute Easter gift this conversation is!! Thankyou Unherd!

[@Dexiray]

I like this young man interviewing Nick, he seems sincere and well spoken. Not many out there that aren't seeking "clout".

[@robyn2628]

well this made my day. what a beautiful way to spend an hour and what an amazing human being.

[@santander6317]

Possibly

[@paulasymonds7979]

So refreshing to listen to such a great man.

[@martendewind]

Wonderful. Thank you.

[@mariavalverdeboutilier7370]

Such transparency with such honesty ❤ As a visual artist also from that generation I can totally relate ❤️

[@mikelina9236]

God is in the tabernqcle..But also,we receive Him in everyHoly Comunipn and that is when His Divinity entersin our wounds ,memorijske,boda and heal and transform..Also,confession.Try to humbly confess sins to faithful Catholic priest a d get absolution..It is as Eastern brethen calls God's Mysteries and He established it and gave as treasure for us.Behold,i am with you till the end of times..Jesus Christ.. That what I can not comprehemd is our human superficiality and that we chase for bad examoles ,avoiding to see all the glorious saints and great priests and lay,all the nubeorus good deeds as well. Indeed glad for you Nick,thanks be to the Lord.

[@PrincipledNaturalLaw]

Nick Cave looks well for multiple decades of rocking out &/or in the music industry 🫡 Please accept my sincerest empathy in tragedy Nick...and in hope brother 🫡

[@joe56474]

Love Nick. Great interview.

[@Djordj69]

You can't do what you've done before. Great interview from unherd.

[@melindamartin9765]

I'm Awwwstralian, and a singer...I have been requested over the years to sing Into My Arms three times now at funerals of my friends, and I have found there were quite vast differences in the personality traits of these individuals...this has fascinated me. It is a song that transcends all others during a time of grief I think. Love all your work Mr Cave, your music, your literature, your lyrics, your choice in working collaborations (Warren Ellis). This world of things is a much better place due to your body of work, thank you sir 🙏💜 "I don't believe in an interventionist god" 💜💜💜

[@Centerone420]

Watching you become a gentleman is so inspiring it's...belief itself

[@hansiharjunharja]

Saw the title, instant click.

[@culturaljammer]

I asked Ai what it thought of we know who u r and got this responce Nick Cave and the Bad seeds have a song called "We No Who U R," which was released in 2012 as the first single from their album "Push the Sky Away." Here are the lyrics to "We No Who U R" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: Verse 1: Tree don’t care what the little bird sings We go down with your darlin’ to the river We go down ‘neath the waves and the calm of the lake We swim down under the ground, lost for a purpose Chorus: We no who you are We know where you live And we know there’s no need to forgive Verse 2: Days turn to sand, summer to rain And I’m still in love with you The world is turning, turning, turning And we’re just hanging on Chorus: We no who you are We know where you live And we know there’s no need to forgive Bridge: We’re mice following the snake Into jaws of desire And you know there’s no reckoning That’s coming in the fire Chorus: We no who you are We know where you live And we know there’s no need to forgive Outro: We no who you are We no who you are We no who you are The lyrics of "We No Who U R" by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds are somewhat cryptic and open to interpretation. However, here is one possible interpretation: The first verse talks about going down to the river and under the ground, which could be a metaphor for exploring the depths of one's psyche or the hidden, subconscious parts of the world. The chorus ("We no who you are, we know where you live, and we know there's no need to forgive") suggests that the song is directed at someone specific, and that they have been caught doing something wrong or immoral. The repetition of "we no who you are" could be a way of emphasizing the certainty and knowledge of the accusers. The second verse mentions the passing of time and a lingering love, which could suggest a relationship that has fallen apart or a sense of nostalgia for the past. The bridge ("We're mice following the snake into jaws of desire, and you know there's no reckoning that's coming in the fire") could be a warning about the dangers of temptation or following the wrong path, and the idea that there may not be any consequences or punishment for one's actions. Overall, the song seems to be about uncovering the truth about someone and holding them accountable for their actions, while also acknowledging the complexity and ambiguity of human behavior and desire.

[@stellaq3306]

Fascinating …thanks for that effort @Anthony Carter

[@fiberglassparadise6307]

The emotional honesty in following up the question at 53:26 is very palpable

[@jackthetripper666]

Breathless will forever be my favourite nick cave creation.

[@zoeshuttleworth359]

This is wonderful 🙏🏽

[@bcatcool]

Fredy - awesome. You are a gentleman and certainly showing the vast difference between the entirely shallow US dichotomy between L & R and the true British ability to express and discuss reality in all its shapes and sizes. And have a strong opinion to boot - thank you! God bless praying for you your team and of course Nick

[@littlerebel296]

Masterful interview Freddy! Nick was very mindful and as provocative/complex as we all knew he would be. I was at a spoken word event years back and Perry Farrell (JA) said something that stuck with me ever since..."cut out the middleman (church) and go straight to the source." Nick is sooooo close on his path. Hopefully Perry's advice can nudge Nick the way it impacted me.

[@jaysunrickards]

what does going straight to source mean for you?

[@littlerebel296]

@@jaysunrickards talk to JC or Yahweh directly

[@jaysunrickards]

@@littlerebel296 You don't think having divine liturgy, someone who is an expert in theology and a community around you bound on spiritual principles is essential? or atleast very helpful?

[@littlerebel296]

@@jaysunrickards When you meet the devil in person you tend to bypass all the theology and search for answers and help immediately. The Tree of Knowledge is the key that deciphers your understanding on good and evil. You can learn more from KZbin channels (Pastor Arnold Murray of Shepherd's Chapel or Marc the Messenger) and real life scenarios tenfold vs needing a theologian. Some say it's stepping out of the Matrix while the theologians are still stuck in the flesh world without real life experiences. If the theologian has not experienced these levels, they are not going to understand or help with these different realms of spiritual awareness. Going straight to the source is the best way to traverse leveling up.

[@jaysunrickards]

@@littlerebel296The flesh world is the only place you get real life experience and that is stepping out of the matrix. KZbin is the matrix. Have you ever experienced a Divine Liturgy? And what about the question of and need for real life community?

[@PaoloLery]

Wow Nick Cave. Fred you’re such a legend. Time to listen to Jubilee St again.

[@yobyob9369]

Love listening to his music

[@Vintagevanessa99]

Really enjoyed this

[@GoannaUK]

Ohhhhhh - how wonderful is this! I was at early Birthday Party shows in Sydney, Melbourne and London and followed Nick Cave's (and his bands) music and his writing. A phrase I rally loved from an article in the Guardian, i think, was 'the permafrost of puritanism', that he saw infecting music and the arts. The 'balls to the wall' two Grinderman albums were a great antidote to that, altho he is somewhere else now, which I also love.

[@MIOLAZARUS]

Amazing !!!❤

[@marcelasperandio8917]

ohhh, thank you!!!! From Brazil!

[@natmanprime4295]

@54:05 there is such a thing as truth beyond reality, beyond existence

[@roz8244]

Such a great conversation. Always been a fan, so was thrilled to see nick cave on unherd. Brill