10 Differences Between the 1995 and 1996 Stock

[@andywarne963]

The 1995 stock has a higher ride height than he 1996 stock because it uses air suspension whereas the 1996 has spring suspension. In fact it rides so high that they had clearance issues on the bank branch and had to do some work on the tunnels before they could enter service. 1995 also has flexframe bogies where the bogie is split diagonally and joined by rubber. This was because they were worried about cracks developing owing to the terrible track on the Northern Line.

[@NickBadley]

Oh, that's interesting!

[@marcusbaker830]

LMAO XD

[@riorange2083]

I have noticed the height on the 95s whenever you see them going in or coming out of the tunnel, the roof of the train seems as though its basically scraping along the top of the tunnel, its crazy

[@mattevans4377]

Challenge: This type of video, but for the Class 507 and Class 508.

[@NickBadley]

Ooh, now we're talking 😂

[@MikeWillSee]

@@NickBadley if you did do that, you've got to talk about how the 508s used to have 4 cars, but one of them was taken out to lengthen the 455s, which now have an odd car (from the 508s) that's different to all the others! I'm not sure how that would fit within the video, but it's the sort of information we'd love to see!

[@Thornaby37]

Another challenge would be differences between class 45 and 46 Peaks (and there is at least one visual difference)

[@Enviri]

they were different i think but one of the stocks got refurbished to look more like the other one so they look the same

[@Class777]

@@NickBadley fact: due to the DC compressor pressure being different on the 507 than the 508 the 507 lights flicker in tunnels where as 508 don’t. (I haven’t seen a 507 flicker since 2020 though on Moorfields but on the Wirral line I have)

[@mano_max_sakuragi]

Extra information about the first differences: 1995 stock is using IGBT-VVVF made by Alstom, while the 1996 stock is using GTO Thyristor-VVVF also made by Alstom.

[@bfapple]

A shame it was missed out of #1, as this is a key technical difference.

[@david103857]

GTO is the older technology too, having been around since the early 90s. IGBTs have been used for many years since!

[@PeteS_1994]

I feel that the 1996 and 1995 stock sound similar when coasting but sound very different when accelerating or braking.

[@bfapple]

@@PeteS_1994 Makes sense. Similar/same motors but different electronics.

[@Lodai974]

@@bfapple Why does the 1996 stock have older technology (GTO) than the 1995 stock (OniX)? production delays?

[@emilycampbell8817]

can't beat the 1996 sound!!! can't believe my brain picked up on the different sounds without me noticing, guess that is why i always preferred jubilee route videos!

[@AzureOtsu]

The 1995 stock has Selective Door Opening to cope with stations with short platforms, as the 1996 stock was built to a cheaper spec, it lacks this feature

[@hesterclapp9717]

The 1995 stock feels like a Piccadilly line train and the 1996 stock feels like a futuristic white tube train

[@ReubenAshwell]

Brilliant video Nick, there are differences I never knew about until now. I deffo say that the 1996 tube stock is my favourite out of the 2 because of the awesome motor sounds. :)

[@NickBadley]

Same here, honestly! I love the noise they make when they leave

[@marcusbaker830]

I love the 1995 stock ss it has the oh the prettiest screeching noise and the height suspension and the fact it is more modern than 1996 stock despite the confusing names

[@adrienrassat1965]

Not really the motor sound. They use similar motors, but different variable frequency drives (module controlling speed of motor). 1996 stock uses the more primitive GTO-VVVF system (which has a lower pulse frequency, hence more audible), and the 1995 stock uses a more modern IGBT-VVVF system (higher, less audible pulse frequency). They both use induction motors.

[@ManicXD]

Interesting that there's so many differences, given their overlapping construction and almost identical specs! It's almost like they're doing an A/B test on things to determine the final standards for later stock.

[@bfapple]

Not quite. It’s because the Jubilee spec was frozen earlier in the decade.

[@TrainNingaH]

The jubilee line will always be music to my ears

[@CameronLandels]

Great video Nick! I've travelled on both sets lots of times. Thank you for sharing the differences, I've learnt lots more of them🙂

[@NickBadley]

Glad you liked it!

[@MichaelSebastianTodd]

brilliant video lots of interesting facts that i hadent noticed but i know that the 1996 had yellow poles before they were refurbished but i do love the sound of the 1996 stock when leaving the station and i like the doors opening sound on the 1995 stock

[@warrengrant2992]

Very interesting video I learned new things... Always knew the obvious sound differences they had when trains are moving, pulling off and stopping but never noticed the different sounds the doors make when opening with one being higher pitched than the other! Never knew many other things pointed out in this video as well like the information screen differences... Very informative 👍🏽

[@BomberFletch31]

Very nerdy stuff, I like it! I've just found your channel by the way. Hope this channel continues to grow. Do you or anyone know why the grab poles on the 1995 Stock isn't black? Given that all the other deep level tube stock have grab poles in the same colour as the line on the tube map, I would've thought that it'd be logical to make the grab poles black to reflect the Northern Line.

[@Puckoon2002]

It is because of visually impaired people may have trouble with black, whereas they have no trouble with yellow.

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

Great video. ☺️ Both trains use the same motors but they have different traction inverters which is why they sound different when moving off and slowing down to a stop but sound the same at speed.

[@zenthemanchild]

i never actually noticed the doors being slightly different in colour so i’m glad i learned something new.

[@OffTheRailsUK]

Actually, I'd say the door alarm pitches are lower on the 95 stock, since the 2015 refurbishment actually reduces their pitch and the original was kept for the 96 stock. The 96 stock also used to have 6 coaches until around 2005.

[@iiExplosionz12]

Yeah, I’m glad that the 96 stock chime pitches haven’t been changed, not a fan of the lower pitch ones ok the 95. Sounds torrid

[@gapthemind--mindthegap8524]

Who have known that about the carriages.

[@OffTheRailsUK]

@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 Literally anyone who lives in London

[@gapthemind--mindthegap8524]

@@OffTheRailsUK nah most people aren't that perceptive. Alot of us were kids too when this happened, I'm 24 snd thought they always had 7 carriages

[@Ugo98]

Great video! I'd like to add some curiosities: 1. Before refurbishment, the handles of both 1995 and 1996 Stock were yellow; 2. The panels besides the doors are shaped differently on the two types of trains, and before refurbishment, on 1996 Stock cars they were aquamarine in colour, as the panels below the lights; 3. Until 2005, 1996 Stock trains were made of 6 cars too; interestingly, the LED display of the added seventh car is amber instead of red, and its floor was black instead of grey.

[@IC-qf7ev]

3 also counts to the extra 96 sets where its got the 7th car spec throughout

[@hamthesandwich8333]

The fact that I've wanted to know this for as long as i can remember.

[@MegaTrainlover]

Great video! Another difference is on the front access door. The 1995 Stock has a traditional hinged door with an external handle, whereas the 1996 stock has a door that fold outs with a built in emergency evacuation staircase. The door does also open inwards in the normal way too but doesn’t have an external handle.

[@robbiemorrison7085]

The 1996 stock used to have grey interiors, they changed them in around 2017 that’s when the silver grab poles came in.

[@Ro99]

Amazing video! I’ve noticed most of these consciously and the rest of them I’ve noticed something was off/different on the 96 stocks (I use the 95s a lot) but never quite been able to quite work out what.

[@tubetrainstracks24]

I really liked the buttons including the original ones on the district lines when they first came out. Would be nice to have some kind of a fidget gadget with the buttons including lights. Enjoyed the video Nick and will add it to my playlist.

[@riorange2083]

Another subtle difference that would otherwise go unrecognised is that the headlights of the 96 stock are more of a cooler whiteish tone whereas on the 95 they are a warmer yellowy tone

[@hesterclapp9717]

Another thing, the refurbished '96 stocks have yellow and black triangles on the edges of the doors but the '95s don't

[@10reubenl]

That was very interesting! I don't understand why the traction motors sound ever so different though as they're only one year apart in year of construction. Got to love that 1996 stock traction motor sound! ❤

[@bfapple]

I’m not sure if the motors are actually different. It’s the three-phase inverters that result in the sound as a by-product.

[@jakewynn]

It's because TFL were using relatively new 1983 stock on the jubilee line but their single doors were proving impractical due to high capacity. This meant TFL needed a large number of trains quickly. The compromises made with the 1996 stock (there are several btw including spring suspension instead of air suspension) were to reduce costs and decrease manufacturing time. GTO transitiors were well established so were easy to get hold of, hence why they used the "older" (but cooler imo) technology. IGBT transistors were brand new, revoloutionary technology and so were expensive and hard to get hold of. The GTO transistors have a very different way of handling changes is speeds as the have completely different limitations to them. The older GTO Thyristors cannot handle the same high frequencies as the newer IGBT. This is important as the frequency needs to be increased in order to speed up the motors. As a result, they have to change the PWM pulsing pattern in order to reduce the switching frequency. It's this pattern changing that causes the distinctive sound when accelerating / decelerating. If you want to learn more, I recommend this video (it's a very nerdy topic): kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIDQaZiGgsxkmqc I copied my reply from another comment lol bcs i cba to write it again haha

[@stephensmith1553]

The 96 stock sounds like a Southeastern Networker

[@marcusbaker830]

The 1996 stock's motors are the GTO The 1995 Stock's motors are the IGBT They both have 3-phase AC induction motor

[@metrochel10]

Good job! Can you make video with 10 differences between 1972 and 1973 stocks?

[@Jhickson92]

Fun fact: 2 brand new 7 car jubilee line trains were introduced in 2005, they also added the 7th carriage to rest of the fleet. The 7th carriage is the 4th or 5th car depending on direction of travel. You know your on a new train or carriage because the passenger information dot matrix is orange instead of red, to comply with newer regulations.

[@Boypogikami132]

Very obvious difference: '95: Northern Line '96: Jubilee Line

[@RobertLikesA320s]

0:34 Imagine this sound on a Tesla🤤

[@Shyguythesmartstickman]

also, for some reason, when I am on the northen line, I hear this strange sound that sounds like a hair dryer, I hear it most before the train departs a station

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

96 stock trains were originally 6 car but were lengthened several years after entering service. They do not need SDO as all stations have platforms long enough for the full train. Had the use of 9car trains not been abandoned in WW2 the Northern line would have had noticeably longer trains than it does today. As I am tone deaf the door opening chimes sound the same to me!

[@Blank00]

Do you think that TFL will eventually order additional 2024 stock trains to replace both 1995 and 1996 stock, considering that they aren’t much newer than the 1992 stock?

[@malindasnook8381]

Lots of very good 👍 facts that I didn’t know except for the sound of them!

[@SheridanM551]

Why do Jubilee line trains sound like race cars when departing or arriving?

[@Morgansliftadventures]

Amazing video, plus the two tone on the Jubilee Line actually used to be the same as the Northern although maybe around 2016 they were lower pitched.

[@NickBadley]

I believe so, yeah

[@andrewholloway231]

Thank you for a very informative video Nick. I just came across it and thought it was well worth a look.

[@tr_nt.]

You might not have noticed this but the window on the cab door of the 1996 stock is ever so slightly smaller... This is to accomodate an emergency staircase built into it, which the 1995 stock doesn't have! If memory serves me correctley, the 1995 stock uses a folding set of steps, like the 1973 tube stock.

[@mondaysdog]

Can't remember if I commented before so if I have please forgive me. The 95 stock has a more 'modern' traction, suspension and TMS system. The 96 was specified cheaper as the stock was bought in by LUL. The 95 Stock is under the PPP scheme and are owned and maintained by Alsthom. The 95 Has better: Traction packages (motors etc, hence the sound difference), Better suspension (they have air ride as there 96 just has springs) and the TMS (Train Management System ) is better positioned for driver convenience. Other quirks are the escape ladders in the drivers cab. The 95 stock is much slimmer and compact but much more fiddly to setup and pack away, TMS programming is slightly different for the displays and the audio too. Oh we now have better in cab monitors.

[@thomasroell8979]

I have enjoyed all of your videos, that I have watched since I started following you. I live on the other side of the Atlantic, so I enjoy seeing different bits of Britain.😊

[@NickBadley]

Glad you enjoy!

[@williaminglehearn3581]

great video, just found your channel- I'm always in favour of more jago Hazzard-style content. looking forward to more!

[@ChrisCooper312]

The sound difference is because the 1996 stock uses older technology than the 1995 stock. It's because the 1996 stock were ordered first, but due to delays they were delivered last. In the time between the two orders, Alstom were able to offer updated IGBT technology instead of the GTO Thyristors that were locked into the 1996 order.

[@PeteS_1994]

I thought the first 96 stock ran before the first 95 stock?

[@ikec-pw5sb]

Question: Would that mean that the Northern Line was supposed to have that "Jubilee Line Sound"?

[@Lodai974]

@@ikec-pw5sb probably

[@jakewynn]

@@ikec-pw5sb no, the northern line doesn't have that sound because it has the newer IGBT technology. The older GTO transistors (the ones the 1996 stock have) have a very different way of handling changes is speeds as the have completely different limitations to them. The older GTO Thyristors cannot handle the same high frequencies as the newer IGBT which are needed when speeding up. As a result, they have to change the PWM pulsing pattern in order to reduce the switching frequency. It's this pattern changing that causes the distinctive sound when accelerating / decelerating. If you want to learn more, I recommend this video (it's a very nerdy topic): kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIDQaZiGgsxkmqc

[@jntrains4526]

Another thing with the 1995 stock is that the close door beeping stays beeping when the doors are closed and on the 96 stock the beeping stops when they close

[@NickBadley]

Ooh! I actually never noticed that! Good catch!

[@customtransport2777]

I’ll always prefer the 1996 Stock more because they’re a lot more fun to ride, especially between Green Park and Canning Town and that I like certainly like white and grey more than black

[@joshuasilva7590]

Please do 10 small differences between the 1972 stock and 1973 stock

[@shah2k13]

Here's one: On the 72s the front train lights are closer to the middle while the 73s are nearer to the edge of the front

[@TheYorkshireTrainspotter]

Some of these are so Nerdy 😂 I like it! What a great video!

[@flyingscotsman_a3]

You missed the front windows! Look at them both next to each other and you will notice the difference in size and height!

[@NickBadley]

Oh my god you're right! I never noticed that!

[@benthewheel30]

1995: “This station is x, this is a northern line train terminating at y” 1996: “This is x, this train terminates at y”

[@東東之羊dongdong]

I like both1995 1996

[@ujiarchive]

I just find it interesting that despite being numbered later in terms of year, the 1996 stock is actually stuck technologically in 1991 when compared to the 1995 stock being more advanced.

[@yy17782]

That’s interesting, do you have more info on that? (Being technologically 1991)

[@ujiarchive]

The 1996 uses GTO traction similar to the Networkers and the 323, which is why it has its certain sound, and the 1995 stock uses IGBT traction with Alstom's ONYX Drive, which is the shrill, continuous whine.

[@bfapple]

@@yy17782A lot of the contractual design detail was frozen in 1991.

[@lzh4950]

@@ujiarchive Singapore's C751A rolling stock meanwhile use ONIX IGBT but sound like a higher pitched version of GTO instead, though the C830 that uses the same IGBT tech sounds more the '95 stock. Might be due to differences in the voltages used (1.5kV & 750V DC respectively)

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@lzh4950 Line voltage and motor voltage don't always exactly "line" up, pardon the pun. Multivoltage trains are a great example of this, that may use 750V third-rail power usually, but can transform the 1500V OLE voltage down to 750V for pantograph operation.

[@bonaquack]

The 1996's 7th car was actually snuck in later. That sneaky car can be recognised by its orange dot matrix screen instead of red. That makes the 6th point a little incorrect as well.

[@b_altmann]

The Jubilee Line cars were refurbished a few years ago, and the Northern Line some time before. They must have taken some insights from that refurbishment and applied them to the Jubilee Line. Also the moquette of the Jubilee was first used in the Bakerloo Line refurb of 2016. In the Jubilee Line driver’s cab one could still see the very original moquette, purple and turquoise. Even before the refurb, the passenger seats had a blue cover, which was a total mismatch with the rest of the interior with its yellow and turquoise accents (typical 90s). I guess the original covers didn’t last very long for some reason

[@greghuang2314]

Very informative video! It seems like the 1995 and 1996 stocks share the same car body, but are mechanically and electrically very different. This is comparable to the difference between the R143 and R160 cars in the NYC subway system.

[@thebritishrailroader]

Nice one Nick. As a fellow train nerd I love this type of video

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

Yeah 1996TS has the louder noise of the door opening and closing and the interior inside is different

[@83838four]

2:51 GREY, GREY

[@Samuelgamer4]

You actually missed one because on the doors the jubilee line have yellow bites I don't what to called then but the Northern line doesn't have yellow bites

[@PeteS_1994]

The front cab doors are also different and the plastic casing by the doors. The way the carriage number is displayed in the train as well.

[@Thornaby37]

Great video 👍 I must admit there are a few differences I hadn't noticed before

[@JubileeDi]

Nice video. I really enjoyed it and I subscribed to you Another differences: 1. In the Cabs, the 1995 stock Train Management System screen is on the left monitor in the driver area next to the CCTV screens while the 1996 stock Train Management system is located to the far right where it was desgined like a microwave style near the masterswitches. 2. The 1995 stock trains are on the lease and being maintained by Alstom whereas the 1996 stock are being maintained by London Underground. 3. The voice of the Passenger Annoucments system are voiced by the same announcer Celia Drummond for both 95 & 96 stocks. Only differences is that 95 stock has like a high pitch tone for the annoucments where as the 96 stock annoucments are low deep voice. Although the 96 stock has other annoucers like separate one for the terminus etc. 4. On the door step plate, the 1995 stock has an "Alstom" logo on the door step plate whereas the 1996 stock doesn't despite both stocks manufactured by Alstom. 5. On the bottom left near the whistle, The 1995 stock has an LED light whereas the 1996 stock has a flap for the M door button. 6. In terms of appearance, on the doors outside, the 95 stock is plan whereas 96 stock has zig zag yellow and blavk stickers between doors. But I prefer 96 stocks, feels a lot comfy and home to me, love the noise they make, cleaner and cooler than 95 stocks although they break a lot which 95 stocks are better maintained. But I do like both stocks Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do enjoy the video and keep up the good work 👏 🙌

[@NickBadley]

Oh! Very nice! Most of those I didn't even know about!

[@HooverA3060]

That and now on the 1995 Stock they have newer announcements by Elinor Hamilton for the Battersea Power Station terminus and the Elizabeth Line/Bank announcements. 1996 Stock though has seen the introduction of Sarah Parnell on North Greenwich and Canning Town.

[@JubileeDi]

@@HooverA3060 oh yeah. Completely forgot about that. Thanks for letting me know. I prefer the 95 stock new annoucments than the 96 stocks (excluding Celia's ones at Bond Street, Canary Wharf & Stratford)

[@JubileeDi]

@Blake and Sunny gaming shows ah my bad, thanks for pointing it out 😊

[@spinba11]

A slight correction on point 6, the new trains plus the new carriages (originally the 1996 stock were only 6 carriages long) have orange on black DMIs instead of red on black

[@AnthonyFurnival]

Nice comparison- I’d not noticed some of those! Great video

[@Yuqiqiqi]

Another great video. Really glad I found your videos through mersyrail. Keep it up

[@NickBadley]

Thank you very much! :)

[@pedghkjlkgf3802]

Diffrences between the class 365 and 465

[@TSM_rivaltalk1]

Thank you very much for this video I learned quite a lot of things.

[@Ron_TTE]

The 1996 Stock does have a few orange led displays (I think they might have been the extra carriage when the 96 stock was upgraded to 7 cars

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

Before refurb, the 96 stock had turqoise panels. Also long ago I think the 96 stock LED signs "flashed" text instead of scrolling

[@AdamDGamer81]

Another difference: 1995 stock does not have arrows at the doors 1996 stock does

[@TheRealDorran]

A long time ago [before ATO], when the driver would release the doors, the two tone sound would play even though the doors weren't open to alert the passengers that they can now open the door. So basically it's the door release chime.

[@Mike-77-YT]

The Central Line stock had these open buttons too, and worked a similar way. But of course, nowadays they are completely bypassed, and rendered useless, which explains why the 1995 stock had the buttons replaced with a single indicator after refurbishment.

[@Sim0nTrains]

Interesting there some I didn't knew about, great video Nick

[@ricequackers]

Despite the names, the 1995 stock is newer and came into service later than the 1996 stock. The sound difference comes from the 1995 having more modern control electronics that can switch faster, so you hear a higher pitch.

[@mindthegapplease3840]

What's the difference between the Central Line 1992 Stock and the Waterloo & City Line 1992 Stock.

[@NickBadley]

Ah yeah that's a good idea. Off the bat, I know of the different grab poles and W&C being 4 car as opposed to Central being 8 car.

[@MPDTransport]

​and the central line poles are red while the w&c line pole is turquoise

[@KamranMk-uj2fy]

1:34 it used to be the same

[@WarFigureSunlight]

What about the unrefurbished 1996 stock vs the refurbished 1996 stock?

[@Xavierek2012]

Another challange 10 differences between the Class 801 and Class 800

[@TEV_Travescalvator]

On the northern line the grab poles used to be yellow like the S stock but a little lighter

[@northernheights]

Another difference, their announcements are different. Whilst both being mainly voiced by celia drummond, her style on the jubilee is very different compared to the northern which I find interesting

[@nickch205]

One basic difference to spot out, it’s the jubilee line map on the 1996 stock and the northern line map on the 1995 stock

[@crazyboutferrets]

I take the northern line more often than the jubilee because I'm usually going from king's cross to bank so that i can have a joyride on either the DLR or the waterloo and city line

[@Buses4life_6]

The 2 tone sounds like when you enter a shop on the 1996 stock

[@RED-1635]

The 1996 stock arriving and departing sound is similar to the Class 465/466 Arriving and Departing sound.

[@charliescbarnett]

1 other difference. 1996 stock's doors closing beep warning plays for slightly shorter than the 1995 stock.

[@AWTransport276]

This has been most interesting thumbs up from me 👍🏾

[@TakoElevators]

1:57 before the 1996 stock was refurbished, the door interiors were blue

[@ThomasGilbey]

The doors used to be the same high pitched when the Northern was not refurbished yet

[@endureal]

One question. Technically, could the 1995 stock be used on the jubilee line?

[@owenchuarbx]

One question I had in mind, are they couple-compatible with each other?

[@ZamaE233series]

Man that 1996 stock gto sound

[@hobbyhub739]

Another difference to note is the stickers on the exterior of each trains are different.

[@axolotlgamer615]

Nick heres a idea! Do this with the 1973 (picadilly) and 1972 (bakerloo) stocks!

[@BarrysViews]

That’s some useful information they

[@hongkongtastingpower6523]

I just only noticed if there is a button next to the door to Identify whether it is 1995 or 1996 stock

[@Tommys_Transport]

Extra: after their respective refurbishment, the 1996 stock got theeth stickers on the doors to prevent people from getting stuck, but the 1995 stock didnt get them.

[@TheLondonTransportDroid]

Great video mate

[@TrainNutter]

2:28 Before they were refurbed, yellow hand rails and a sorta gross green colour surrounding the dotmatrix display :)

[@SWTROfficial]

1995 stock actually used to have the same door sound as 1996 stock until it was refurbished in 2014

[@LILC63]

Personally, I prefer the 96 stock, not for its iconic sound which I will admit is good but because of the interior. I really like the lighter colour scheme of white/greg on the grab poles and the displays. If the northen line trains had black grab poles, it would be a close tie.

[@zitzong]

Excellent video!! There are a lot of differences that a lot of regular passengers would not even notice.

[@stevewalsh1987]

And to go full nerdy the 1995 stock is actually more modern technology wise underneath than the 1996 stock as the design for the Jubilee line was frozen.