Nicola Sturgeon DESTROYS Anti-Trans Arguments

As the anti-trans movement zones in on Scotland - which is planning to reform a humiliating, medicalised gender recognition process - the SNP First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has fought back, comprehensively debunking their arguments.
I discuss her truth bombs with Guardian columnist Zoe Williams, who eloquently dissects the tactics of a movement which has become increasingly radicalised and obsessive - with terrible consequences for trans people.
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[@dustygania2425]

Read the interim Cass Report

[@dustygania2425]

You're ignoring the real issue

[@dustygania2425]

Almost all are young aut1st1c women, this is a mh crisis

[@MyName-cw4yr]

Left wing narratives are the prevailing narratives active in society today.

[@Unknown-ov2kz]

@@dustygania2425 A decent amount are autistic, yes. Autism is not a mental health condition. Legally and medically autism is not a mental health condition. Also, the fact that a lot of autistic people are trans doesn't seem to make people go, "oh, you're not autistic, well, we're going to doubt your trans-ness more so because you're not autistic", and that I find so stupid and funny. By the way, because autistic people don't tend to conform to society in anyway, they're less likely to feel that they need to make their gender conform, and therefore are more likely to be open to accepting if their gender is different from what was assigned, making autistic people more likely to be open/knowingly trans. Are you autistic, and are you trans? Because if you're not, you don't get to a say in what autistic trans people are feeling and are, as you cannot physically feel what they feel (I'm talking more than empathy, I'm talking about sharing nerve systems sort of thing, like literal feeling what they feel).

[@diogenes9524]

This Sturgeon interview clip revealed her incompetent and blinkered ideological delusion. The self-congratulatory exchanges between these two has-beens is nauseating. Subsequent events showed just how out of touch they are.

[@akgfilming]

I hope I can eventually see the day when this is just treated as a baseline for politicians' decency

[@gordianstimm]

so lovely to hear for once the cis people in positions of power stick their neck out on the line for us. Owen and Zoe have been historically courageous to stick up for us too, so sincerly thank you xx

[@peterclarke7240]

To quote Aragorn: "you have my sword."

[@markd17]

Cis you mean Straight..

[@cazhatten3341]

@@markd17 cis means not trans

[@cazhatten3341]

@@bluebluesky3170 lol. You are about the only person thinks cis means straight. Cis is a Latin word. It means basically this side of. In the apollo missions they referred to cis lunar and trans lunar. Trans lunar was the dark side of the moon. Cis lunar was where they made the landings. Trans means the other side of . Trans people can be straight so your understanding is incorrect. If you are straight you are heterosexual. If your straight and not trans you are cis het. Cis has been used for a long time to describe someone who is not trans. It's used in peer reviewed papers and also occasionally used by the media. These are the 2 words, cis and trans we use to describe 2 demographics. Then if we apply other descriptors we get overlaps. So we would get overlaps with say, straight, bi, gay, lesbian, women, men etc.

[@berniefynn6623]

NO SUCH BLOODY THING AS CIS, WOMAN ONLY.

[@PKTraceur]

No-one should be tormented for living in a way that doesn’t hurt others, but at the same time, only a fool thinks that this isn’t being politically weaponised and pushed in our faces, especially when young children are being programmed to accept blatant misinformation on biological facts, laws are written imposing compelled speech, and the little guy (that little guy that the left pretends to care so much about) has little to no say in the matter. Live and let live, not “live my way or lose your job, children and freedom”.

[@leonbell5141]

100% agree the poor biological women let down by a biological woman just doing so for political expedience to get votes not sure how many trans votes but men who want to get into women prison changing gender tbh sir gender than transfer back when they come out why not ? Is she naive of plain silly

[@leonbell5141]

What about the women in US jails having babies with Transwomen who are lesbian in jail and have their parts…this is crazy woke politics a step too far 👎🏽this is an assault on women’s rights and safety 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@LynSmithmusic]

Very well said.

[@johnmclean1046]

So krankie is replacing sex with gender so the two terms are interchangeable?

[@ihateunicorns867]

No. That's the whole point. Biological sex and gender identity are not the same thing.

[@johnmclean1046]

@@ihateunicorns867 so what is gender? Sturgeon in that clip interchanges the term but to most folk gender and sex are the same thing, it’s only recently that a very small minority have sought to drive a wedge between what has long been held to be normal.

[@dekmackie]

the caveman missed the point entirely 🤣🤣🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@mwellh113]

No males in women’s jails!

[@christopherhitchens163]

Now the issue is defining fraudulently

[@phil4162]

Well done Nicola, eloquently put.

[@peterclarke7240]

Did you hear her speech at the SNP conference about her alternative dream for immigration? Bloody brought a tear to my eye. One of the first times ive heard a British politician say something that made me think "by gods, I'll gladly fight and die for that vision." Now, i just need to move to Scotland before England collapses under the weight of it's own petty-minded vicious elitism.

[@phil4162]

@@peterclarke7240 unfortunately for those of us who prefer Scotland remained part of the UK, Nicola is head and shoulders the best politician in the land. She speaks with conviction and passion with added integrity, empathy and credibility. If she stood in the UK on a ticket of let’s make the whole country better (and not just a few - and not just Scotland) she would get a landslide.

[@paulwilson2651]

@@phil4162 Every Day that goes by makes the need for Scotland to get out of this one- sided broken union all the more urgent. I would like to hear your argument for remaining in the union.

[@britishproudvanman3082]

@@peterclarke7240 Well move up north then!👆I don’t care. How anyone can seriously admire that annoying Nicola Sturgeon is completely beyond me 😂

[@denismcgee8760]

She is the best Politician in Britain at the moment. If Scotland doesn’t Vote for Independence with her leading the transition: in preference to Truss screwing the already desperate U.K. then they never will.

[@rodmarker2071]

The opposite of Liz Truss articulate , open , caring .... smart

[@EmeraldLavigne]

Hope she's gonna be the first Prime Minister of Scotland after Lizzy Trussy causes UK balkanization!

[@rodmarker2071]

@@EmeraldLavigne Im in the anti-Truss coalition . Free Scotland, United Ireland and no more Tory nutters fecking our lives up

[@drama772]

😂 😂 😂 Yeah OK groomer.

[@drama772]

@DoubtingThomas Salmond is a sleaze bag, and everyone knew it, including sturgeon, but she allowed it to continue while she was his no 2. But I do agree with you. Because as soon as she become no 1 she threw him under the busy. So she's no better.

[@drama772]

Bus*

[@julianshepherd2038]

I'd love to see Sturgeon debate Starmer and watch him flounder as he tries hard to be liked.

[@peterclarke7240]

I dunno... I think there's a reason you don't see Starmer, Sturgeon or Davey going at each other. They're doing something quite revolutionary, which is focusing on the real enemy and not tearing chunks off each other for the sake of scoring points.

[@pablosaintmarr3223]

@@peterclarke7240 Tell that to Starmer in a Scottish theatre of politics , he shouts from a distance and would never go toe to toe with Sturgeon, she would verbally destroy him pretty quickly.

[@britishproudvanman3082]

How anyone can admire Nicola Sturgeon is beyond me 😂

[@Mark-Haddow]

@@britishproudvanman3082 Most things are beyond you.

[@georgejob2156]

Why his party is unelectable in Scotland!! TONY BLAIR MARK 2 AS WE SAY SAY IN Scotland, cauld kale het up! No change from New Labour!!

[@sol2701]

Well well 😂😂😂 this aged well eh Owen 🤔🤔🤔🤨🤷‍♂️😆🤣🤣🤣

[@selinanisbett5482]

I feel very strongly too, that we need to stand up for our Trans siblings who are so marginalised by society. They are some of the most courageous, authentic and beautiful people I know. As a survivor of DV my real concern is about abusive men. I am a cis woman.

[@janetmackinnon3411]

I've just found you two, but I am on the side of all trans people. I remember when homosexuality was a crime, and some of my friends risked prison just by expressing their personalities. May the world accept trans people without so much brutality!

[@benfisher1376]

Totally different things. Gay people were fighting for the right to be who they are, trans are fighting for the right to self ID as what they aren't, and in the process restricting women's rights and identity, as well as trying to rewrite gay history with themselves at the centre.

[@kildogery]

She's pretty decent. I'm not going to flinch when it comes to voting for Independence again, or the SNP, for the first time in a general election. Whichever comes first.

[@fredgillespie5855]

Read "Memorandum to Bernard Berelson" and see what all this "inclusion and tolerance etc." is really all about.

[@MyName-cw4yr]

Nicole Stergeon doesn't want an independent Scotland..... she wants Scotland to be just another vassal state of the plotocratic EU, thought the left were anti centralised authority and control.

[@kildogery]

@@MyName-cw4yr "plotocratic" 😂

[@MyName-cw4yr]

@@kildogery it's funny because it's true....

[@Normskiblue]

The trans issue is an extremely complex one that needs to be thought about based on logic and reason. Forcing people into two opposing camps is not going to benefit anyone. What ever happens the solution can only be based around science, logic, common sense and reasonableness.

[@fredgillespie5855]

You omitted to mention Nature.

[@andromidius]

@@fredgillespie5855 Nature mostly wants to kill us all. And its also weirder and more varied then society likes to think it is. Nature doesn't make two genders - it makes dozens of subtle variations.

[@djdrogs]

@@fredgillespie5855 nature is non binary

[@Katiewithdaffodils]

@@fredgillespie5855 There have been some form trans people for millennia, if you dig a little in the history. I think the main thing is to be compassionate in this world anyway.

[@davidjeavons9619]

An unbelievably high level of clap-trap. Who do they think they’re fooling? Themselves at best….

[@longriderxx]

Agreed 100%

[@charlottemarceau8062]

Thanks Nicola (!) (And you guys) it helps (!)

[@mrwevans]

Headline: Sturgeon Destoys Anti-Trans Arguments. Clip, Sturgeon: "We should all try to respect different views." It's like a Wish delivery has arrived.

[@MyName-cw4yr]

Pretty rich from sturgeon to say "we should respect different views" when Scotland has some of the most crazy speech laws.....

[@simplesimonhadapie]

@@MyName-cw4yr you don't have sectarian crime in the heartland of your biggest city and that context really matters as much as i don't like the situation

[@unelectede.udictatorship8784]

Why won't sturgeon respect different views ? Like right leaning

[@davidgraham8058]

So tolerant, she tolerates the intolerant. 😂

[@Baron-Ortega]

You are even lower I'm my eyes now Owen than I thought was even possible

[@thegeneral123]

A friend of mine came out as trans in college back in the mid 1990s. I remember it well as this person had been very close, extremely close friends with another friend of mine and this other friend took it extremely badly and was horrified. Which was awful to see. I remember at the time thinking the reaction to my friend coming out at trans was a non issue for me personally but being appalled by the other friend who couldn't cope with it and felt betrayed. I guess I was just ahead of my time being a straight ally who believes people should be what they want to be and they feel most comfortable being. It does not involve or impact me at all. A friend is a friend and a person is a person. It's their actions in the wider sense and the way they treat me that I judge people on. Not their identity or pronouns.

[@adammorgan1776]

You had the correct reaction and view, same as mine. The only criteria to judge people on is their actions and how they treat others. I'd much rather a person can be open with who they are and be happy in theirselves without fear of prejudice, hate or attacks Trans people are not a threat to anyone and in most cases of attacks involving trans people, it's the trans person who has been attacked.

[@Unknown-ov2kz]

@@adammorgan1776 Wow, hold your horses!!! We're an attack on people who don't understand what pronouns are! (Obviously, this is a joke.)

[@josephwright652]

How could it be proved whether or not a person had changed their legal gender identity on a fraudulent basis?

[@adamgrimsley2900]

No idea

[@benfisher1376]

Exactly, especially when most seem to just be accepted as what they say. This is not based on science but feelings.

[@deaninchina01]

Destroys???? Has the meaning changed?

[@Mark-Haddow]

Only when it upsets your interpretation that you failed to use as a rebuttal..

[@jonnybyrne989]

It's clickbait,

[@rosemaryclucas456]

This video doesnt stand alone as a cognizant argument.

[@markreynolds8871]

Owen, thank you and your peers for supporting us these are chilling times💞

[@syddog44]

I'm more left on economics, but more right on social issues.

[@spewter]

I don’t see why right-left political thinking should define social issues. Things like racism, sexism etc. are problems that need ethical and moral responses. Right wing thinking champions “traditionalism.” But advocating for the status quo is at best, ignoring the problem, and at worst denying it exists and exacerbating it.

[@MyName-cw4yr]

@@spewter your description indicates that you only have a very surface level understanding of what "right wing" means

[@lizbosh7545]

@@spewter definitely think sexism and misogyny

[@pkaulf]

One of the many reasons why she's the most consistently well-liked political leader in the UK.

[@pkaulf]

@@patrickallen1628 Actually, that largely is the case. Hence my use of the word "consistently".

[@britishproudvanman3082]

@@pkaulf No you are wrong. She is becoming increasingly unpopular, and most people south of the border detest her!

[@alexbegbie5073]

Are you CRAZY Shes HATED BY MOST SCOT s 👹👹👹🐴

[@kurisensei]

It's not courageous to say the fashionable thing, is it?

[@KatharineOsborne]

Sometimes I wish Sturgeon could be UK PM (obviously she doesn’t want the job). She always seems sensible and on top of things.

[@longriderxx]

Have you had a look at the problems in her own constituency , not to mention the highest rate of drug deaths in Europe ?

[@jamesbutler5273]

Obviously you don't live in Scotland

[@audreymcgready4329]

@@jamesbutler5273 I do and she gets my vote every time.

[@murraymarshall5865]

She is a disaster as First minister of Scotland, the thought of her as PM is frightening! 😳

[@longriderxx]

@@jamesbutler5273 Yet another fact that isn't true .. I am Scottish ..

[@shabbylang5215]

It's wee legs can't reach the floor

[@Russ_Keith]

But your knuckles probably can.

[@Ruunmaker]

😂

[@unelectede.udictatorship8784]

@@Russ_Keith putin approves SNP

[@blidduth8946]

Brilliant! Love you both ♥♥

[@thefastandthedead1769]

'It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.' The words from 1320 in the Declaration of Arbroath seem as applicable today as they were then. Slava Ukraini!

[@karlbarlow8040]

I have been left wing all my life because the privileged minority have no right to make the majority suffer to satisfy their selfishness. Trans people's right to identify as they wish must be defended as vigourously as one would defend a person's right to live in any town they wish to. But I get to decide who lives in my house. Rights are not unlimited and the limits are the rights of others.

[@Katiewithdaffodils]

Not privileged, trans people are being killed. The privilege of being safe is something everyone should have.

[@Dewsta26]

Thanks Owen, Zoe, and Nicola. Very well put and interesting. ❤️🖤🚩🏴

[@StopCopCity1312]

+

[@sayithowitis1]

It's like the police policing the police.

[@margaretfarrell5137]

Agree with Nicola Sturgeon.

[@margaretfarrell5137]

@Purebreed Brit so what do you suggest should be done to these relatively small number of people with male bodies that do not correspond to their inner femininity? Live and let live Purebreed Brit.

[@mizobvious3753]

She Is harming women.

[@evan2173]

She's promoting ghastly homophobia and threatening women's and children's rights

[@adamgrimsley2900]

We don't respect bad views, we respect the ability to express their views. I don't think we base legislation based on Sturgeon's personal experience.

[@carinafreeman6432]

Owen, thank you for fighting for trans people. Trans rights are human rights. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️💚💙💜🤍🖤🤎❤️💕🧡🌈

[@alhawley6156]

Human rights are human rights. Trans people are human.

[@matadruim2918]

Come to Scotland owen x

[@paulwilson2651]

Those on the English left of politics should come and live in Scotland for a year then they'll see the difference and understand more on why the SNP are so dominant.

[@rmazzella5303]

Note from the U.S.A: This kind of thing happening in Scotland doesn’t exactly surprise me-it’s a place where men wear skirts!

[@raymondmclean8478]

I don't have a problem but why is she advocating this in schools for children as young as what five or six why not wait until they are eighteen.???

[@DarkKnife1100]

Zoe looking like she's just come off a twitch stream. Love it

[@paulbaker3465]

AMEN ❤️

[@MrFright2010]

I like Zoe‘s stance on the feminist generations infighting on the back of trans people. It is malicious.

[@marysmith801]

She was able to enter a female space all her life wiithout having to worry about a man being in there. Doesn't she think other woman are entitled to the same dignity?

[@josephmartin3887]

great stuff from zoe

[@missyprime8198]

It's refreshing to have cis allies speaking up. So much of our media here in the UK favours the anti trans activists & sidelines trans people & our allies. Between the anti trans groups, our anti trans media & the Tory party it's becoming increasingly difficult to stay in England. I've been physically assaulted so many times over the last 7yrs I now have PTSD & agoraphobia, I came out around 13yrs ago and it's gotten steadily worse since equal marriage came into force. Around the same time it was announced by the women & equalities committee that the GRA was outdated & in need of reform. All this announcement did at that time was give right wing media a new target now that they'd lost their fight against equal marriage rights. We had years of the press flat out lying about what the GRA actually did & why it needed reform & press watchdogs did nothing but ignore complaints about these press lies. In the rare times papers got called out they'd print an easy to miss correction hidden many pages away from the front page weeks later (even though the lies were often front page!). Then as time went on they increased the scope of the discussion, now every facet of my life is deemed suitable for "public debate/discussion" as I repeatedly get kerb stomped by groups of men who now feel emboldened to commit acts of violence. Late 2020 I was attacked so frequently I was unable to play my acoustic guitar for over a year due to repeated shoulder injuries

[@unelectede.udictatorship8784]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Priority76]

Owen, you rock!

[@MrJohnybirchall]

This aged like milk.

[@ProkofNY]

😂

[@neilmoore7194]

This was brilliant!

[@alentia_thegreat]

This is awesome, Thank you for your thoughts Zoe :D

[@kerrydevlin]

Thanks for your show today. x

[@julianshepherd2038]

She is a straight talker. Ironically.

[@janetmackinnon3411]

??

[@lauraandrew7440]

The irony being...?🤔

[@WHEATLEY007]

I didn't hear anything get 'destroyed' here. It would be better to speak to the other side, than just another in your little bubble. Why not speak to the director of the movie What is a Woman?

[@Franeeky]

Because they lose!

[@jonnybyrne989]

Is this the same owen who claims he's a Marxist while using technology to promote consumerism of his brand to make money 🤦😂👍

[@user-mi7zx2ki5o]

What a wonderful woman.

[@britishproudvanman3082]

🤮

[@annlove2098]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊its more about the haters who have their own identity problems

[@ruwn561]

Well that didn’t age well.

[@julias-shed]

Love this lady well done for standing up fo the smallest minority 😀

[@markreilly52]

Nicola Sturgeon was a breath of fresh air with her careful thoughtful comments. It is beyond understanding that people can get so worked up and hateful towards trans people rather than use their energy and opportunities to address the very real obstacles faced by women.

[@SWITCHY7]

Biology states differently mate.

[@resist.]

Well done Owen

[@CharlyHamlynCeramics]

Exactly! Nicola Sturgeon is fantastic on this.

[@davidjeavons9619]

It’s easy to be non-hysterical if you don’t address the problem…

[@YerMawsDa]

Nicola I agree with you in everything. But men aren’t just the abusive ones!

[@Mark-Haddow]

Nobody has ever claimed otherwise. The vast majority of abusers are men, that's a fact. Which is a growing trend, unlike with female abusers. False equivalency doesn't make an argument any more pertinent.

[@wendyschneider4490]

Nicola was addressing the argument that abusive men would claim to be trans to opportunistically abuse women. She saying abusive is abusive, why would they claim to be trans just to abuse women..

[@newsjunkie7135]

Love the title! Very 2017 KZbin vibes...

[@AutobotProwler]

What is a woman? Whatever she says she is. Done

[@julianshepherd2038]

No. There will be a law passed by the Scottish Parliament and a legal definition.

[@thealternativeview2692]

Come off it that is a bit silly.

[@longriderxx]

@@thealternativeview2692 Agreed

[@markd17]

If you have a female name you are a woman is what Nicola was trying to put through the courts but failed....

[@WhichDoctor1]

Any other answer will lead to women being told they aren’t womanly enough to count as women, usually by men. So it’s the only feminist answer

[@upfulsoul826]

It's not for men to lecture women how to feel about this. As long as disagreements remain respectful then no one should have a problem. In most societies people don't perceive transwomen and women as the same.

[@janetmackinnon3411]

But then so many are patriarchal...

[@Corrosive_Acid]

@Maxine McKenzie 23 🤣🤣🤣 it's so fking obvious you must be joking

[@sandersson2813]

Ha ha, this hasn't aged well.

[@lorenzobianchini4415]

Owen I whilst fully supporting Trans people genuinely found Zoe Williams need to swear and Take the Lords name very unnecessary and must say so.I am gay and feel nothing but love for all in the LGBT community.

[@adamgrimsley2900]

Ha ha

[@britishrose9417]

It hardly DESTROYS the arguments, she herself says it's just her opinion which is argued as passionately as the other side. Whatever legal checks are in place still won't stop some men claiming female status to abuse women - the fact it is illegal makes no difference, so is driving using a phone, so is murder, so it speeding, but people do all of those things.

[@gordianstimm]

this is just a completely benign straw-man though isn't it? Added to the fact that if these checks and safeguards 'arent enough because people will do bad things anyway' then your argument is just fuelled by transphobia - you've gone completely mask off without realising it.

[@PedanticPig]

The point is there's no reason why a man seeking to abuse women would add making a false statutory declaration to his crimes when that wouldn't make it easier for him in any way, just get him in more trouble when caught.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Most abusers are opportunists

[@audreymcgready4329]

@@therealrobertbirchall Most abusers are cowards.

[@john.premose]

Oh come on. Where's your evidence? You can't just state something like that as a hypothetical as the basis for denying innocent people a right to be who they are. The fact that you worry so much about that is more revealing about you than trans people. That's what you need to think about

[@bk1147]

She is a decent politician

[@unelectede.udictatorship8784]

Who ?

[@JoJo-xb7do]

I wish Nicola could be PM for the UK.shes the only one that makes sense out all those in power.

[@SuperCatman]

she's a queen for this

[@andreafox7267]

Nicola Sturgeon got this completely correct.

[@sandersson2813]

Still think that after her car crash interview on the subject?

[@serkonanvoid9373]

😂😂😂😂🤡🤡👉

[@winstonsmasterplan]

What the hell does cis mean?

[@Mark-Haddow]

Cisgender. You're extremely likely to be Cis. It means you identify as the gender you were registered at birth as.

[@Celestina0]

The opposite of trans. Learn your Latin!

[@winstonsmasterplan]

@@deejay7648 ah ok, so is it ok to ignore the term altogether?

[@winstonsmasterplan]

@Maxine McKenzie 23 I don’t identify with the word ‘cis’ and you have to respect that otherwise your a bigot. See how this works?

[@winstonsmasterplan]

@Maxine McKenzie 23 who are you to define normal?

[@ArtixBlader]

Most of my lefty politics aligns with yours, Owen. However, you have come to the wrong conclusions on the politics of how to deal with trans ideology. Men who say are women and therefore enter women's spaces does increase the risk of sexual assault because the majority of assaults on women are by men. The idea that's trans people are only a minority is true, but safeguarding procedures are entirely in place to act as a safety net for those minority cases. Statistics matter and I fail to see how safeguarding women can be trumped by someone's sense of self whether it is true or not. I welcome more unisex individual cubicles but women's spaces should be women's spaces

[@Mark-Haddow]

You're exactly the kind of person that encouraged chemical castration of gay men.

[@vis7139]

The majority of sex attacks on women are by men, absolutely. But what you're missing is this: sex attackers aren't being prevented by a sign on a door. With or without the GRA, sex attacks will happen. With or without trans people, sex attacks will happen. The problem is predators, not trans people.

[@Celestina0]

Transwomen aren’t men, so what is the relevance of your statement that men commit the majority of assaults?

[@MainlyHuman]

There's nothing except a sign to stop cis men from entering women's spaces. Do you really think abusive men are going to such extreme lengths when they can just wait until no-one is watching? Statistically trans people are far more likely to be the victims of abuse than the perpetrators so I brand your argument nothing more than scaremongering.

[@vis7139]

@@MainlyHuman If your fear over trans people is that cis men might abuse the system to abuse women, then your problem is with abusive cis men.

[@markd17]

Cis you mean Straight..

[@Mark-Haddow]

No, not at all. Cis can be homosexual, bisexual etc. Heterosexual is what you're struggling to grasp.

[@XA1985]

Why can cis whamen accept trans whamen 😅

[@longriderxx]

Most peolpe don't have an objection to any of these groups. They are simply sick of having it rubbed in their family's faces daily.

[@Bendoverstoke]

How is it rubbed in our faces?

[@longriderxx]

@@deejay7648 It is shocking, women are being made a fool of by these pretenders.

[@Bendoverstoke]

@@deejay7648 How is that being rubbed in your face?

[@andromidius]

I'm sick of cishet lifestyles being rubbed in my face too, but I'm an adult and I deal with it. Every day I see cishet people holding hands, kissing in public, having their sexuality plastered over adverts and tv - yet I don't try to get you all silenced and have your rights taken from you. Because I'm an adult. So how about you grow up, kiddo? I don't care how old you are, you're acting like a child. Worse, actually - children learn.

[@longriderxx]

@Maxine McKenzie 23 What has their personal life got to do with me ?

[@yourbitchshouse]

Live and let live and keep your nose out of other people's lives

[@lizbosh7545]

And spaces

[@itsagayworldnotflat7101]

Self I-d was supposed to make it easier for Trans people but now that Trans has expanded to mean more than gender dysphoria there is a potential safe guarding issue and it needs to be addressed so that woman feel heard and supported, there is toxicity on both sides of the debate but I think as with most of the culture wars most people are not rabid extremists but it is important that women don’t feel marginalised

[@PedanticPig]

What safeguarding issues does it present for someone to change the gender marker on their birth certificate, which cannot be used as identification or to access any space (which already work on a self-identified basis and have done for years)? And why would women feel marginalised when all polls suggest that they tend to be more supportive of trans rights than men?

[@stephwarrick4771]

If you are anxious that women (pop: around 4 billion) don't feel marginalised then I recommend starting to take an interest in global issues like FGM, gender inequality, forced marriage, denial of education, disenfranchisement, etc, instead of focussing on the bigoted views of a tiny % of mostly privileged women.

[@itsagayworldnotflat7101]

@@PedanticPig there are plenty of women who are not comfortable sharing their spaces with who they consider to be males , if they feel that those spaces are now a free for all for any body claiming to be female and they have concerns about that they need to be listened too and not just be labelled bigots. There are many more nuanced views which aren’t just outright terfery and they shouldn’t just be shut down because that does stink of misogyny

[@itsagayworldnotflat7101]

@@stephwarrick4771 interesting that you think 1% should be ignored because they don’t hold your opinions yet the small percentage of actual Trans people should have carte Blanche, selective inclusivity is an interesting concept

[@peterclarke7240]

What's the safeguarding issue, in your opinion?