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[@nicoleenesse]

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[@DudeSoWin]

"Entry is a Level" Just keep those illiterate Bird People away from the Code. Before they design a house without doors and start laying eggs where they poop at. They will fly south for winter, just be sure they don't attempt to hatch your head.

[@dennisreynolds9202]

Is cyber security analyst and Cyber Security SOC the something?

[@daomingjin]

if you have a cyber security job and you don't know what Nmap is.... you've already washed up LOL

[@AnthonyMcqueen1987]

No thanks HTB is all i need most boot camps are BS and they are all the same no matter what catchy slangs people say.

[@dennisreynolds9202]

@AnthonyMcqueen1987 yeah, I left my 6 year job to join a bootcamp. Finish the bootcamp and now I still don't have a career. But I have certification.

[@hersdera]

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[@Hand_me_a_handle]

What I'm looking at from afar is that the whole IT industry has evolved to charging all wannabes for Certifications and KZbin selling classes to get the certifications that aren't gonna get anyone any jobs. It's all bs.

[@clintmuschamp7469]

I was a system admin for 10 years, and was willing to take a step back financially and live in a state most were unwilling to live in, so I could transition into cyber security. Once I had a year on the job, I accepted offers for better pay and full-time remote work. I've had three different cyber jobs in five years.

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

​@@damian8mac8It is good for learning, but if you're planning to use only that as grounds to get a job, good luck. Maybe if you're good looking or have charisma, it can work for you. But, you're better off knowing someone.

[@nathanhudkins]

try Google Cybersecurity cert first, should be a little easier and then move into some projects related to the niche you want that you can put on your resume as well @@damian8mac8

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

@@damian8mac8 Yes, as Security+ gets you through the HR filter. To beat the other candidates, however, you need to grow a core of hands on experience, typically in a home lab environment.

[@ey5373]

HIre me! Dobby wants a full time remote work job!

[@takethedamnphoto]

Is it everything you hoped it would be?

[@garrettkensler451]

The best way to find a job in Cybersecurity is not trying to get a Cybersecurity job. Pretty much all the people who are in Cybersecurity just fell into it by chance and didn't really set out to get a job in it.

[@JohnCutter317]

Thats the worst part every influencer story is random barely sound technical and randomly fell into free splunk training or something. They also all have degrees military history etc

[@TFADETV]

Very terrible advice! I know people who break in every month into cybersecurity. You just have to be the best & want it that bad

[@garrettkensler451]

@@TFADETV Exactly, you definitely have to want it bad if you are not well connected. You have to want it so bad that you are willing to look at a computer for 12 hours everyday for the rest of your life and cancel every holiday with your family, if you have a family. This industry is perfect for people with no families and spouse I guess.

[@sunmand6136]

@@garrettkensler451 Yup, this! upvoted you. The sad truth that no one wants to talk about. People think working in Technology, cybersecurity or anything else is so easy that a simple cert would get you in. Even if you are in are you ready to put in the work?

[@dropdeadfredd1709]

Or know someone who can get you into a job.

[@randomuser1105]

I abandoned trying to get a job in this field because too many games are played. I don't have time for this and I have bills to pay.

[@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner]

What are you doing now? I can’t find anything without certs

[@austinb3560]

I’m not in cybersecurity but employers literally expect years of experience immediately after we graduate. Like damn give me a chance

[@pae242002]

I'm in the same position

[@cyberzombie038]

IT as a whole is pretty much like that now. There's even ads for lv.1 help desk asking for yrs of exp in server/cloud administration.

[@austinb3560]

@@cyberzombie038 I got my masters in Marketing (Data) Management and I literally can’t get a job.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

Which is ridiculous, but also, you don't really need a college degree to get into IT. Or at least you shouldn't need one.

[@thejohnbeck]

the first job was the hardest for me to get as well. and for lots of people

[@JoshMadakor]

This is a great video. I totally agree about the SOC Analyst saturation 😂🎉

[@nicoleenesse]

Glad you liked it!! Means a lot Josh

[@bobwright8789]

It makes no sense how a college education wouldn't prepare you for your chosen career. Especially considering the price tag some of the degrees carry.

[@luisvilla799]

As a teacher I come to the realization that college doesn’t prepare you for a career or job it’s to get a useless education two different things

[@penultimania4295]

It makes perfect sense because it's the real world lol

[@bark2931]

I went helpdesk->desktop support->network admin->combo roll(of the former)->security analyst. By the time I made the switch I was an mcse and ccna plus a couple entry level security certs. What motivated me was working with the security team on projects (and a family to feed). Eventually 3-4 of us went down and took the CISSP together. Horrible test, lol. GL to those making the journey.

[@daomingjin]

That probably took 10 years to get to that CSSIP point as well.

[@NeoKurow]

I did the same but got CISM instead because I'm a jack of all trades in my current job but I'm unable to switch to a full cybersecurity job..

[@mikeavila6921]

Best way to get a cyber security job. Is get any IT job. Once you get a job spend a few years emphasizing security tasked. Then put those first on a resume. Thats what i did. Worked twice.

[@SagRising19]

Great video and tips, especially the resume breakdown. Personally, I completed a cyber security program, acquired my Security+ and accepted a IT help desk role with an MSSP. A few months later, my team decided they needed a Risk & Compliance person and I had previous experience in documentation & audits and here I am-I kept advocating for myself and always showed up and my manager took notice.

[@nicoleenesse]

Nice work!

[@SagRising19]

@@nicoleenesse Thank you!

[@kairoswave]

Cybersecurity IS so in demand...BUT only to experienced people. Cybersecurity is not noob / entry level friendly. build some skills from help desk or support and then you can get into the field, but if you have no idea how to configure a siem, no idea what owasp top 10 is, and zero idea in how to use linux, you may want to start entry level in help desk or support first.

[@Lemurai]

The best bet is a gov/military contractor as a first job, such as Honeywell, Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop Grumman or Battelle Labs. They usually scoop up fresh souls out of college or technical training. They also pay well & for some, they have postings overseas in line with the military’s mission I know plenty of folks that went overseas & never came back🤷‍♂️ one old co-worker had been in Japan for 30 years another had & raised all 5 of their children in Italy, so there’s definitely opportunities to be had out there. I had the same problem when I was a new engineering grad, I’ve since transitioned over to computer science however, what I’ve noticed across the board, the two categories of job opportunities that are in demand are some kind of field involving computers/networking/security or medicine that’s pretty much what the market has come down to.

[@ibrokemyownheart4953]

I will never do help desk, that’s like working fast food but for tech

[@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner]

That’s how I see it

[@danloyer6241]

I find it funny for most IT jobs asking 3 to 5 years of experience for entry level jobs, the idea for entry level is to help you get into the field.

[@laverdadbuscador]

Employers want skilled workers at unskilled worker pay. It's really that simple.

[@wack_]

Got manufacturing experience? Study the Purdue Model along with your cybersec journey. Then branch into the expanding OT Security field. Yes OT (Operational Technology). Lots of growing demand, barely any applicants, there is no degree program for it.

[@RST94]

Honestly, timing and who you know is what gets you in. And what you know will keep you there. The reality of the situation, is that cybersecurity has blown up over the years, because it was easily enticing to people who wanted 6 figure salaries and there being this over advertised need for over “3 million+ cyber roles” (most being mid-senior level). Now, you have people with only A+ and network+ certs to their name flooding the application market. If you got in prior to COVID, it was easier to get your foot in the door

[@nicoleenesse]

Eh, most don't really care about 6 figures

[@ianjamesii7044]

​@@nicoleenesseI'm not most

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

@@ianjamesii7044it's an arbitrary number. Doesn't mean anything in some locations where you can still struggle on that level of income.

[@kyshawntv6285]

@@ianjamesii7044Then I’d suggest a different career lolll

[@SagRising19]

This ‼️

[@123samat]

The thumbnail is fake and meta never posted that tweet.

[@jlprescott7243]

Just be a bad guy or wear a black hat. Crime does pay. Cheers!

[@christinefury1040]

Because there are 50 people applying for one job

[@hananonihongo]

Only 50? Most jobs I see are over 100 within first 24 hours!

[@froedge]

1. Because most of the in demand jobs you hear about are government jobs which require certain specifications to be considered for (clearance, sec+, etc.) 2. Outside of the government, its a combination of delusional HR managers and disgustingly bad startups that can't afford to hire but want their current employees to move Mount Rushmore. 3. Most applicants want money and what is trendy and don't actually know anything about the IT field, let alone the cybersecurity field. 4. We have the "Biden Special" job market right now TLDR : It's a shithole from every angle imaginable x)

[@SMOKEY428]

Buck fiden

[@trblmkr5139]

SHE WAS SPITTIN THE WHOlE TIME!!!!! This is the most practical advice I've ever gotten!

[@oscaresposito1433]

I feel cyber insecurity

[@TheWizardjones]

It’s probably because of 2020-2021, “Dude, bro, six figs in cyber security. No experience bruh. Buy my course dude, bro.” Then there being examples of someone who worked at Mcdonald's making 15.00$ an hour now making six figs. Gotta love it. I am a little salty because of all the dumb help desk jobs I had to do to get where I am now.

[@Random_Identity]

I think it should be noted the seniority levels listed on A LOT of openings posted on linkedin are often incorrect. It’s not just within cybersecurity, it’s across also fields. Just because it’s posted as entry level doesn’t mean it is.

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

They do that so they can lower the pay for senior level work.

[@drunkinmonkieez]

It is damn near impossible to get anything.

[@C-Thunder]

Not to be a downer here but, it's already a matter of time until AI begins to take away some of these cyber security jobs. This is why I already gave up in pursuing a cyber security career.

[@mdavis3262]

The STEM field being in demand was overhype…thats why I got into nursing

[@sailormars20]

This is great info. But than again, the key here is : Experience. Chances are, people entering the field or having 1 year of SOC are not going to be considered for Security Engineering position. Im in a SOC and am facing this issue. I’m plagued with mass of notables that are all the same false positives. And it’s easy to get stuck in this position unless you stay learning and upping your skill set. Cloud security is huge and what I’m trying to push for.

[@reiserkeiser]

Ha you'd be lucky if you could even get one year of SOC experience

[@SMOKEY428]

You have any experience prior to SOC ?

[@daomingjin]

would you hire someone that has no certificates other than Offensive Security? Most companies or employers are really deathly afraid of anyone with these skills. It's probably because they know they legally screw employees over because that's how corporate culture works but people with these skills have the ability to screw the corporation so hard they will potentially loose hundreds of millions overnight. I keep up on my cybersecurity skills but i found that if i put any of my skillsets on my resume i get about 80% less companies contacting me for employment opportunities. That final 20% that are left, most of them basically just contact me because they "really wanted to meet someone with these skills". They have no intention of potentially hiring me they just wanted to meet someone who they feel is legend. I don't consider myself as leet, but i guess in a world where some people think that mastering HTML5 is a black art i suppose i might come off as that.

[@stubstunner]

@@daomingjinwhat are you talking about

[@johnportugal5589]

The guy is delusional. Probably a script kiddie🙄

[@cipher315198]

Cyber security manager here: This is all completely correct. You want to work as a T1 SoC at my company? Move to Poland because that's were we have out sourced it. Red team? Don't even bother applying. We want 5-7 years experience in a related field for a entry level position. Software development experience is ALWAYS a plus. Cloud architecture and engineering is HOT right now. If you have non security experience in software development on the cloud you can come in any time you want. Know what your going for and be qualified for that specific job. I moved from general software development into security software development, by writing automated scans for cloud deployments that ensured that the cloud object were configured to our security guide lines. This my first job was not even really security related it was just writing software (What I was doing before) for the security people.

[@Flyinghotpocket]

There is no entry cybersecurity job. You start your cybersecurity career on the back of 5+ years experience actually doing something.

[@dennisreynolds9202]

Yeah, I've been asking the same damn question. I've graduated from college 2 years ago and I can't even land a job. They keep asking me do you HAVE EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE CERTIFICATION. Which I had to sign up for a bootcamp hoping it will help me land a job. Because I don't want to go back to Restaurant or breaking my back.

[@o0keitaro0o]

Did it help?

[@dennisreynolds9202]

@o0keitaro0o no, still looking for a IT job. Now, I'm breaking my back for $18.31 an hour.

[@o0keitaro0o]

@@dennisreynolds9202 have u been applying for support everyday too? I'm from south america so that salary sounds great to me, but i understand in some states McDonald's pay the same tho, maybe go to tech event in person to make connections

[@xialindragon]

One big piece of critique: How do you get an entry level position without having entry level roles already on ur resume? It seems you had several IT roles so sayings “this resume with over 10 years of experience” got me a role that asked for 10 years of exp

[@daomingjin]

you need to get a degree, you need to start off in Helpdesk/IT support and then over the course of about 10 years you will need to do every CS certification training the company will pay for (or that you can afford and they give you time off of work for) and then in about 10 years you can get an entry level position doing CS. You need a longass list of Corporate certifications before you get that job.

[@roguephilosopher2465]

@@daomingjin this is the number one reason why I will never think about doing cybersecurity as a career. I rather do it for it fun that loose a decade of my life to do something that doesn’t do good for others. Originally wanted to do cybersecurity to help others but it’s a bad idea because you don’t really help anyone until you’re old or a genius. I’m a criminology major, no one will ever hire me. OSInt will, love info

[@nothing563019]

Partially true. Take everything you hear on this channel with a grain of salt

[@dropdeadfredd1709]

In other words " DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE"

[@dummyahh8470]

I’m glad real influencers and people are telling ppl hey you need to slow down. Bc no way you have no experience trying to break in. You will need to build the skills. Your also decreasing the salaries too. GREAT INFOOO

[@a.k.infinity1502]

Update: Application security applications have shot through the roof since this video.

[@nicoleenesse]

ahahahahahahhahaha

[@xfmedium3052]

So in otherwords the field is pretty much in a narrowing period unless you hyperspecialize, and just pray that fine-tuned gpt4.5 doesn't excise you out of the loop if you aren't a senior level worker. Gotcha. I will continue to try, but alas this just tells me the entire field is about to contract down to an increasingly smaller number of specialist and 'growth' is tied less to labor demand, and more to the element of security-productivity that's increasingly detached from team size volume. At this point, I feel one might as well just pursue software dev with netsec and cyber-opsec specialization. Cause this is what it feels like :/

[@antdad24]

Man I hope not...

[@Stoneface_]

​@@antdad24that's the hard reality 😢

[@jlady89]

Great video, Nicole! I found your suggestions very very helpful and applicable for MANY jobs a career changer is trying to land. I especially appreciated your resume comparison point. I will be sure to focus on what I contributed or notable things I did rather than just listing the basic tasks of the job. I never thought about how the resume itself can make someone appear like a beginner!

[@nicoleenesse]

You're so welcome!

[@maurice2014]

It helps having relatives that work for Apple and Lockheed Martin 😈

[@christianpolytechnique7404]

I worked in identity access management as a contractor for 12 years.Any cybersecurity positon especially senior positions pays good but very demanding.After a while,I stepped down cause as you get older and this is just me, wanted something more relaxed and not that huge stress on my shoulders. Yes there's a lot of demand cause there's a lot of people applying for the positions. So if you have a couple of certs in your chosen field it'll give you a boost against other people.

[@daomingjin]

if you want lower stress, found a company that primarily produces attack tools. That's where the money is at.

[@Zippyser]

Got a question mate what was stressful about the position if you don't mind me asking?

[@paydayvideos4924]

Ive always been under the impression cyber is something you reach after a lot of IT experience. How tf am i supposed to know about all the niche and complex vulnerabilities when ive never worked with the equipment and/or software before.

[@ogChaaka]

Wanted: junior CS tech Requirements: all certs ever and 3000 years of experience. Salary: LoL Thank you for your application.

[@BPTtech]

Btw, started as a cable guy, moved into the data center, did a bit of everything there. I now work two remote jobs doing SRE/DevOps with TC about $500k, and I have no degree.

[@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner]

Can you explain what you did? I am so lost

[@BPTtech]

@@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner I took an odd path after doing cable. I got into hvac which put me into the data center, where I think the top thing was learning to build computers, Linux and networking. Programming came later. This was 2010 so the dawn of virtualization and the ‘cloud’ which set everything else off. I eventually got an aws cert which helped tremendously.

[@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner]

@@BPTtech what do you think I should do as a woman? I just feel like cyber is an easy layoff career :/

[@BPTtech]

@@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner I don’t think so it’s just those positions that are titled cyber security are generally small teams in organizations, and generally fall on ops or networking teams. I’d consider being more flexible in your title search, and when looking at job descriptions try to brush up on the requirements and formulate your resume directly for that position. I work with women all the time in tech so there’s no barrier with that also

[@CyberSecurityFashionDesigner]

@@BPTtech you think it is a good long term career? I am over here thinking of nursing bc I can’t even find anything entry level or even interning. I had 4 internships and worked helpdesk

[@egregiousblunder5395]

Because any company with a robust SOC team wants folks with ridiculous amounts of experience, knowledge, certifications, education and so on for entry level positions for the cheapest price possible. You want to be a network forensic investigator? Best have 10 years of experience minimum a masters degree, and about a dozen certs. Same for incidence response, pen testing, risk management and so on. Nobody has spots or wants someone with that 1-3 years and Sec+. Oh, and you better be able to write in C+, Java, Python at a minimum too and be an expert in SEIM tools of flavors and be willing to work for less than 50k.

[@chocobitties2595]

Informative video. Question: Do you have 130 live cicadas in your living room? There is a crazy amount of buzzing feedback. If that's intentionally added ambient noise - I wouldn't do it again. If it's a pest control issue, I would get on that! If it's a microphone issue, easy fix.

[@reiserkeiser]

Fastest and most efficient way is doing some type of military reserve (Air Force, Army, doesnt matter) in a networking or cyber role. You'll get training, a Top Sceret clearance, and a MUCH easier path to work cybersecurity in the civilian world. You'll only drill 2-4 days a month. Thats nothing. Yet everybody is so scared of military service. Well if you want in the field as badly as you say, this path is almost a guarantee.

[@sexyma2486]

Exactly! I'm joining as an Officer in the Navy, Cryptologic Warfare Officer. Only route I see at this point 😏

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

​@@sexyma2486You don't even have to finish. If you're really a sexy ma, tell the interviewer you are well rounded and job is yours.

[@Me-eb3wv]

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[@sexyma2486]

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[@Gaming_Antics]

The economy is tank for over 6 years now, college graduates are working high school degree level jobs now, America cannot keep up with professional jobs growth and companies are still shipping jobs overseas.

[@first001]

Yeah and yet this is kept out of the news and we are gaslit about a good job market

[@paulvellaIV]

From what I’ve been told is CONNECTIONS is what gets you into cyber you need to know people who know people

[@malwareman9443]

My problem is imposter syndrome, but not for IT, rather Cybersecurity. I have a Bachelors, and will be pursuing a Masters in a few months (both tech degrees). The CompTIA trifecta, AWS CCP, Project+, and will be getting CCNA eventually. I have about a year of IT experience and the more I study Cybersecurity, the more I realize how difficult it actually is in comparison in terms of knowledge.

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

This is the mind tricking itself. I liken aggressive learning to exploring a set of interconnected rooms. The first room has one door. You open it and peep inside. "Oh wow, this room is kinda small like a broom closet, but all three walls have other doors leading to three more rooms!" You open one of those doors, and inside is a living-room sized room with five or seven other doors leading elsewhere. During aggressive learning, our mental horizon is expanding, the set of known unknowns constantly enbiggening, deceiving us into believing that we know less now than we did yesterday due to the distorted and growing ratio of unknowns to knowns. Today, we know more clearly what we don't know more than we did yesterday, hence the mental discomfort. You can deliberately think your way out of it. Just think back to yesterday, last week, last month, and last year, and deliberately recall what you did not know then that you do know now. This Imposter Syndrome is pernicious, but it can be defeated. Keep charging!

[@natemoses3940]

You will be OK. I've been a Cyber Security professional for 12 years. I was even in cyber warfare for the government. I also have imposter syndrome, but when a breach happens, I see why they keep me around.

[@malwareman9443]

@@natemoses3940 Makes sense. I just feel like it would probably be easier to do something in between help desk and cyber, then pivot over later. But what that middle step is, I do not know.

[@malwareman9443]

Thanks.@@muadhnate

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

@@malwareman9443 Typically, the middle step is junior network admin, network admin, sysadmin, however, the supply pipeline got so constricted that it couldn't keep up with security demand. This is why you can pick up "just enough" network admin knowledge on a home LAN to make yourself palatable enough to hiring managers who are desperately thirsty to fill security roles.

[@Elucidus4]

The resume part is a great point. Tailor your resume to showcase what you've done vs where you want to be, show that growth. Even better get those specialized skills, Cloud Security, AppSec, and GRC are great examples.

[@nordythenorthman]

My previous role lasted 6 months because I was fired and it was an entry level role. Can’t quantify a resume with that little experience and at a junior position.

[@Taino300]

This is hands down the best entry cybersecurity advice! Thank you. I've been self-employed for 25 years as a computer repair and home networking expert. 3 months ago I decided to go for cybersecurity. I thought it was going to be easy for me to get into CS. It's been 3 months of rejection. Aiming for a CS higher skill makes sense. Thank you

[@nicoleenesse]

Thanks for sharing!

[@daomingjin]

you need to be able to hack GSM, Wifi, bluetooth and iOT stuff to be worth your weight. Wireless hacking and data exfiltration is where it's at.

[@Taino300]

​@@daomingjinThank you for sharing your thoughts. I've worked with Kali before just to have a glimpse of what an ethical hacker and a mal-intentioned hacker do. This is inspiring. Thank you!

[@father5946]

@@daomingjin I thought you were being sarcastic at first but damn lol Employers really be wanting all that for just an entry-level position is crazy.

[@lonelygoner2012]

Gatekeeping in the industry, thats the problem

[@urdynamix]

Cyber Security is so hyped up as an on-demand skills, but jobs are elusive in the market. Don't Believe the Hype.

[@alkalineph9446]

I’ve been saying this. Everyone thinks a certificate will get you 6 figures in Cyber Security lol.

[@robb845]

Exactly, and they will advocate for this until you obtain one, but then they seem to disappear! lol

[@JohnCutter317]

Tbh i appreciate all the cyber influencers but every video is just " your not qualified and wont be until somebody randomly hires you and trains you" all these jobs posted and zero path every other tech sector has some reasonable path forward without becoming content creator. The most important stories from these channels is how they got the first job nothing ekse matters and unfortunately its always super lucky stuff

[@NoName24-s6i]

Cyber security = Car Insurance. You HAVE TO HAVE IT BUT WHO WANTS TO PAY FOR IT.. Right ✅️ 😅?

[@plaidchuck]

Doomscrolling content

[@jesso-bn4tk]

these jobs for Indian tech consulting , not for americans these are paid very less an those are really hard working people.

[@novabcaine10]

Its all about networking and relationships. I completed a cyber security program and more than half of the ppl in the program had a job with in a month

[@BusinessWolf1]

No one cares about sustainability when the only important thing is how much the number went up in the last 3 months.

[@Ricardo-po5sy]

Why are the pays for SOC decreased? The precious employee are getting the high salary and new employees won’t?

[@sivangunasingam9194]

thank you very much i look forward to studying all your content. Very informative and helpful.

[@davestevens4193]

Cybersecurity is not an entry-level job

[@joshbuxton8249]

This is so true. Even people that havent had any IT experience at a "job" yet. The people still getting hired for these jobs have proof of what they do. So degrees, certs, blogs, github repos of tools they have written, hell even a twitter account showing exploits or new ways to do osint etc. All of this plus your ability to answer the technical questions correctly. You can find a non entry level job, because you have shown on the technical level at least on the surface, you know more than entry level. Like others have said you have to want it. All of this extra stuff requires work and YEARS of time... experience.

[@Tezcati]

I got in through an internship with my college. Luckily it was working for a defense program which got me a security clearance. Then I did the tier one analyst thing. Poor pay and grueling hours but you will get many offers after you get that valuable experience

[@DrChris44]

Everytime I see an application security position on linked in or indeed that says entry level, scrolling down to the requirements reveals you need about 10+ years experience.

[@misobogdanov2422]

Firewalls software ids ips will fill all the jobs.. security forensics is the only people job I Can see where you need a human🤔

[@danloyer6241]

My question is to this channel, it seems to me that most IT Job(s) are hard to find especially when it comes to an entry level job or jobs, it seems worst for software development jobs

[@akagordon]

In an OECD economy, there's no such thing as a labor shortage, just picky employers.

[@luisvilla799]

Completely agree and add wage shortage

[@gshepherd6141]

who said cyber security is in demand?

[@novadhd]

Glad you put this out there. YOu are doing quite well for your age. I am season IT/Cyber pro focused on GRC now but rarely got contacted by recruiters unless they are Indian and for jobs that I would never do lol. Thanks!

[@nicoleenesse]

Thanks!

[@mscomies]

TL DW version: Don't bother

[@weho_brian]

im a SWE and I dont care about security 😄

[@hxploit]

I blame certification bros and bootcamps for the increase in applications. Take these multiple choice tests no hands on experience get certified in multiple things and get 90k !! woo.

[@sinistan1002]

I always LOL at those with degrees and certs that think they're automatically entitled to a job some how. Go to medical school or something other professionally related if you want that expectation and validation for the money you wasted 😄

[@SchoolforHackers]

The university where I taught until recently eliminated computer security courses. There was almost no student demand, and even the recruiters that wanted my students have closed up shop. This is not in Podunk; it’s in Albuquerque, NM, which is packed with government and private tech firms. This field is not what it seems.

[@letsgetdowntobusiness-]

Hollywood really glorified the cybersecurity/ hacker persona didn't they.

[@akisora69]

Im going to graduate with my Associates in cybersecurity and im starting to regret it, beacause even help desk is nothing but bachelors degree and X years of experience. So im there constantly apply to anything and everything in hopes i can get some experience, and the prices of certs are to high to afford plus the free ones dont even hold any weight on the field. so no point in getting them. And i cant use the whole you gotta show them you really want the job if they dont even give a interview.

[@Michael-it6gb]

Applicants are just whiny people with meaningless IT degrees they worked so hard for. How dare they demand a job. They're so spoiled. Don't they realize it's such a huge shortage top quality programmers for all those poor companies, who just want to find a culture fit worker. That's why they get rejected, they have a poor personality, no experience, and if they do have experience then it's the wrong framework, and a company don't have to hire you and still continue telling the world of the very real shortage of developers out there, *cough *cough. Companies are working on some really important stuff for our new world ....like an app, on your phone, that is really important for your survival. (the sarcasm might not be coming through, but whatevs)

[@secretbunnyninja]

as a current job seeker, I don't care what you do, or how specialized. Buckle up because that recession we printed ourselves out of has emerging ramifications.

[@SavageScientist]

Great video, im in application security and I wanted to focus on the fun stuff but app security is an easy door in. I also got my CSSLP

[@nicoleenesse]

Thanks for sharing

[@SavageScientist]

@@nicoleenesse fo sho i will share your video on my page

[@youknowulikeit9589]

Do you work as an application security engineer at a company? from what I've seen application security requires much more broad knowledge and more technical knowledge.

[@SavageScientist]

@@youknowulikeit9589 It does, I have a youtube channel focusing on coding and cyber security but to answer your question. The CSSLP is an advanced cyber cert that requires 5 years of experience and to pass a 120 question exam.

[@Timanator]

i think most job market are pretty dead right now.

[@TarasZakharchenko]

Entry level job as security specialist sounds to me like oxymoron. After relatively brief learning, I can expect such specialist to run readymade exploits in given order and nothing more. And such thing can certainly be automated to considerable extent. While to become Real security specialist who can reverse engineer malware, hack neverseenbefore software, understands math behind cryptography. To gain that knowledge, one needs a lot of years of experience as software engineer and of course university degree. The thing I trying to say is that to enter security job market, one already needs to have considerable engineering position background. There is no such thing as junior or trainee security specialist. It is mistake to open such position if your sys admin can run exploits as side task

[@shynosure2725]

2 years experience as a SOC analyst.. been applying for about 6 months since contract ended from my last job and even WITH experience apparently I can't even get a junior position? Nor even an IT Helpdesk position🤷🏻‍♂ Industry is an absolute joke.

[@SouthsideDee]

Develop real IT skills such as help desk, systems admin or learn a scripting language. Doesn’t have to be cybersecurity, the desirable skills are transferable.

[@wreckingtestes2885]

The barrier to entry is way more than say a web developer thats why lol. With this job either certs and projects or a degree and a couple of certs.

[@blubblubee]

Most companies have a handful at most

[@Youonlyloseyourself]

I love that you point this out. I genuinely think that individuals who are trying to get into this field NEEDS to do an analysis on this broad field and directly look at what everyone is doing then, reverse engineer their approach and I know it will work. Because that is what I did/doing and it’s working! Everyone is doing this one thing and not knowing that’s why it’s hard to stand out! Don’t reinvent the wheel but be unique and “think”

[@Youonlyloseyourself]

Also I have been looking into application security but I work as a information system security specialist and just landed another job which is cloud based and I’ve never done cloud stuff before but here goes.

[@sfaaf05]

I need to understand how you did that. I have 20 years of IT tecnical experience but when it comes to breaking into the Cybersecuirty field it feels like, I am a person that never been into IT at all. I would love to hear how you position yourself for cloud security engineering position without have direct experience in it. I missed out on an internal cloud engineering opportunity even though I have AWS and Azure cloud certification but kept thinking I don't have cloud security engineering certification so I shouldn't even apply. If you don't mind, please do share your approach

[@Youonlyloseyourself]

@@sfaaf05 hey just getting to your post but a couple things I had to realize real hard and fast is that because you have a certificate doesn’t mean you will land a job. I am really keen on that and the sooner you realize this the sooner you’ll land that job. Just as a mentioned do not do what everyone is doing be unique about your approach. I remember everyone was against applying from DOD positions but not having a IAT 2 cert but I got in without it learned as much and was given x amount of time to earn one of my choice IAT level 2 or 3. You should be more than able to get you a job in this field keep going good luck

[@jjeverson2269]

I still don't understand how you can be a cybersecurity expert without being a software engineer and having some level of coding. Its silly IMO

[@Luci-pz8xx]

There are different areas of cybersecurity. Someone could do physical security, auditing, and policy/compliance without needing to know how to code. Unless you would rather have 1 person do everything with nobody to check their work.

[@KJ-th7wh]

Bottom line is all entry level jobs are overseas, you can take any organization, Black Rock, Deloitte, Mckinsey, Bain & Company, KPMG, E&Y and all others, they all have entry level Cyber analysts sitting in India, Brazil, Argentina and other countries (working remotely) and that is the reason why fresh grads in USA dont have many entry level Jobs to go after.

[@shynosure2725]

Cheap labour

[@SpicyNoodleEnjoyer]

i cant even get jr positions with security+ and other certs.. it absolutely hurts since nobody wants to give jrs a chance

[@member888lb]

Meta is in decline started when it changed its name. Why would you want to work there?

[@plaidchuck]

Theyre not going anywhere despite the fear mongering

[@rolandobrien]

KZbin advice like this is the reason for a lot of people failing in life. Why would you take advice on how to get a job from someone who is not a hiring manager? 🤡🤡🤡

[@kuririn1975]

Most companies I have encountered, like Boeing, want the person to intern for the position first. Then, if they like you, they will offer you the job. But it is hard to get that internship. One must already have a Secret clearance; a Sec+ Degree is unnecessary but helps. But I feel the struggle CS is on demand, but no one is hiring qualified people either; I have a BS in Cyber, Hold Sec+, Cya, CASP, I have a working knowledge of SolarWinds, Wireshark, Nmap, Kali Linux, and Burpe mostly through school, and as a hobbit, but I cannot get into a Junior SOC role, Junior Analyst role, or even a base ISSO role.

[@habibi750]

Nice fake tweet. Reported

[@nomadicwolf6132]

Absolute gold. Thank you.

[@ComeHereGreatness]

Jobs are much harder to get than it used to be. There's been so many layoffs that those people who were laid off have re-entered the pool of applications. You're against thousands of people who have less or about the same amount of experience. Companies are looking for top tier candidates who can jump right into the role and hit the deck running. It's so competitive right now that even having a degree, certifications and all the projects to showcase to potential hiring managers they are either low balling you, ghosting you, put you on 3-4 interviews or no hits at all. This economy is absolute garbage and we need Trump back in office.

[@nicoleenesse]

lol I think it has more to do with interest rates

[@ComeHereGreatness]

@@nicoleenesseI agree, the interest rates are one of the issues which is a factor of government policies along with over hiring during the pandemic. It's not great.

[@303TAG303]

thinking Trump or any president will fix the job market is laughable 😂

[@royaljester9918]

​@@303TAG303Extremely.

[@Lattibo]

Hmm, that first job add looks familiar. 😅

[@nicoleenesse]

ahahahhahahahahah

[@gregeddy264]

Cyber security is not an entry level role. It’s an end of career role. You have to understand that cyber security means knowing what your policies and configurations will do from experience. My school taught me how to lock down a network but it didn’t teach how not to disrupt the workplace

[@Darling_Decay]

I’m lucky that where I live there’s three always open cybersecurity jobs with 100% remote entry level No experience, only good knowledge on the subject. It pays 65-80k depending on which position I go for. This is on a military base so I have connections already on it thanks to my parents. I’m gonna work try to work there for 3 years to hit that 3 year experience that always needed then decide from there

[@7Logik]

What base is that ?