Nietzsche and a little Luther

[@timelsen2236]

Thank you so much! Finally, FINALLY PHILOSOPHY I CAN UNDERSTAND! In 1980 after self study in highschool and early college I gave up after seeing names and arrows on the chalkboard. Even worse reading opacities always left me with nothing. This was so discouraging and after hearing physicists we're now the ,"high priest," I turned away dismissing it entirely as word salad. Finally you have given meaning and context to this difficult subject when approached from texts.

[@timelsen2236]

Wes Cecil! My best source for philosophy!

[@Laocoon283]

The history of philosophy* Also check put dr Michael sugrue. Hes the gold standard.

[@pinosantilli8297]

But the body does communicate with you constantly. And it is very wise to listen to it!

[@druely6695]

Wow I was just looking for a new one. Good stuff

[@chrisschumacher8553]

The gnostic were a mystery religion, which is why they never caught on. The same reason you don't see Hermetic or Theosophical temples in every town.

[@robertburnett5561]

They were also crucified and slaughtered by the church. Might be a deterrent.

[@fabianpino4910]

Please Wes, do something on Deleuze, his love of Spinoza and immanence could be great to discuss when we are at the point of rejecting trascendence and the duality of body/mind

[@exlauslegale8534]

@Adolf Stalin It depends on how you define weird (is Adolf Stalin a weird name?). Deleuze was against hierarchies, but he wasn't against intensities. Maybe Deleuze resonates closely to your own time than Spinoza does, and the knowledge is more substantial because now you get all of the Spinoza's plus all of the Deleuze's (& Guattari's). The tough question is whether Deleuze ranks higher Spinoza or Simondon?

[@exlauslegale8534]

@Adolf Stalin Reading Land will lead your line of flight strait into the black hole.

[@amarmot3635]

So, so good. Thank you.

[@ItsCronk]

Name a more iconic duo

[@crowstakingoff]

Lmao

[@exlauslegale8534]

Lennon - McCartney

[@Ignirium]

Rick & Morty

[@AskthePoolman]

Trump Vance 😂

[@WeAreShowboat]

Religion, nationalism, government are all ways to get humans to interact in groups/tribes far larger than our evolutionary hunter gatherer hardware was ever designed for. Throw away the lies that bind if you want (concepts of country, state, divinity, etc) but don’t be surprised if we can’t hold it together afterwards. We already see the fraying of ourselves into tribal groups. Your pick, a unifying lie, or limit yourself to a tribe of about 100.

[@jamescoughlin6357]

This is a high iq post. Religion is tribalism, tribalism is instinct, instinct is nature, nature wins.

[@gg3675]

I study biology so might have a little insight on your example of the imagination (ie 22:00). Human imaginative capacity/ language really are regarded as an important adaptation (probably obvious). I don’t know that we can really say “it’s the greatest adaptation ever,” though. There are pretty amazing adaptations that have granted lineages huge amounts of longevity, so any novel approach isn’t always the safest bet with regards to fitness xD

[@xstephanx94]

ITS HERE !!!

[@marcpadilla1094]

Foucaults systems of power is modelled after the Ubermensch in the same self overcoming framework as systems that perpetuate power regardless of the success or failure of those living under its authority.

[@marcpadilla1094]

Wholly adaptable

[@Kowjja]

Not sure why people are hating on this lecture so much. Dr Cecil already did a lecture on Nietzsche so it seems fitting that he spends more times on the "applications" of Nietzsche's death of god in this one

[@OscarGarcia-sk8px]

Loved it!

[@ocpunk4024]

I am the captain of my soul.

[@janjohnson7071]

I think he was talking about the God that resides in people, the way society had turned their back on the possibility of the greatness within themselves, the universal essence. 🤷‍♀️

[@franzwonka2580]

Maybe i havent read enough nietzsche but to me he just seems like a more mainstreamable stirner

[@sgeddegs]

yeah you did lecture on nietzsche again. not complaining though

[@mlake07]

Nietzsche according to Wes.... Maybe a little too much Wes.

[@JH-fz3hc]

Everyone needs and has to confront the claims of Christianity for him or herself, without appeal to anyone else's opinion. Just read the New Testament (preferably in the King James version since it's the most accurate and easy to read) and think for yourself what it means to you and human history.

[@AskthePoolman]

And become a Buddhist! 😂

[@dolphwong]

How dare he not be a modern progressive!

[@markusoreos.233]

I agree with your frustration. That's very bad indeed.

[@AskthePoolman]

I’m progressive and proud of it! I grew up in Southern California under Nixon Republicans, yes the Vietnam war, bombing 🇰🇭Cambodia , war on drugs, was wrong. Parents/Nixon started EPA regulations, all the way.! if you wanna live in the dark ages and not progressive, move to Texas or Florida!

[@anubisfire5402]

Luther sort of looks like he could be Wes's ancestor.

[@lyncunningham8255]

But isn’t the mountain top mining executive determining what’s best for him without regard to ideology? Isn’t he the true Nietzschean? The rest of us ordinary supermen have to live with the true Ubermensches. That’s Nietzsche in a nutshell.

[@exlauslegale8534]

No, because Nietzsche disdained entrepreneurs, or better undertakers, which are closer to gravediggers, so Lynnie, bust that nut.

[@elpatron7916]

You did not know that preacher and teacher were the same thing?

[@peterdollins3610]

Didn't Luther suffer from constipation?

[@AskthePoolman]

Everyone did Western Europeans were idiots as far as diets, except maybe the French.

[@AskthePoolman]

Italian also, 😊 Mediterranean diet pretty good you just don’t wanna listen to people like Joe Rogan😂.

[@joshmaxwell7968]

Nietzsche is dead. And syphilis killed him.

[@acousticmotorbike2118]

Lol

[@Thomas88076]

What about capitalism as one of the ideologies that replaced religion (Christian)? Consumer capitalism, where say, confessions are replaced by purchases. Animal "kingdom"? I prefer Animal "world", keeps the patriarchal dimension at bay.

[@unnanointedonesufi]

Do ibn khaldun in the future

[@cyberpunkworld]

Well, yes. Heidegger? Sartre, maybe?? Mostly Heidegger I'd think... :)

[@jasminejeanine2239]

Nietzsche's philosophy is what it was BECAUSE he was sick not in spite of it as it's the same as mine which I too developed when I became chronically ill as it highlights all the crazy shit we do. Thus for me anything which causes me stress is 100% out, how I feel is king as I'm no good to ANYONE if I push myself instead I cause harm to others (myself the most) since now I'm in the hospital costing everyone money. Thus IF society tries to push me THEY get to foot the bill but I foot it the most as I gain PERMANENT nerve death and become even more disabled. Thus no amount of money, sex (as if that's high on my list) or stuff is enough to make up for the stress and following health problems since nerve death means intractable pain which CANNOT get better, thus I rather die then do it. Unfortunately the very first thing most ppl have to break with and one of the hardest one to break with IS religion as especially in America we're extremely religious AND money hungry as the two go together. But until you realize you have a choice about what you believe and can truly shrug off all your programming (really REALLY don't believe) then getting rid of other programming is nearly impossible since it's even harder to reprogram your own culture as you literally know NOTHING else thus can't begin to relate to the concepts hence the reason ppl thought Nietzsche was CRAZY and still do since in their world view HIS literally doesn't compute.

[@misscatlover8036]

Bad way to learn about nietzche. Good way to learn about Wes cesil if you find him interesting or funny.

[@ItsCronk]

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[@godsstrength7129]

Catholicism is Supreme

[@AskthePoolman]

Supreme is a clothing skateboard brand, I think you’re confused. 🤔

[@koroglurustem1722]

Sorry Wes, you sound good, but through your postmodern filter, which I don't like it. It's too materialistic. Besides, how does it work for the western world, the "death of god" ?

[@dylanroberts3666]

#emmawatson why call the 3td time, that's weird?

[@dylanroberts3666]

Sounds like he tried to do 'The Birth of Tragedy' and how it becomes a long list of names in repetitious mention and used them to call God a long list of negative traits then very vaguely says he really did read Beyond Good and Evil then won't discuss morality and the differing characters of Kant openly. Weird.

[@bayreuth79]

It is misleading to say that Martin Luther translated the NT from Greek into German so that ordinary people could decide for themselves 'what's in there'. Luther had this ridiculous idea that's been passed on by various protestants that the meaning of the Bible is 'plain' and that the spirit will illuminate the reader to understand the plain and obvious message of scripture. Thousands of protestant denominations are sufficient to refute that claim. Luther was hermeneutically naive.

[@kabbalisticteddy]

Luther was right. If all we do is expect stuff, we end up being fish. And that is freaky. There exists a separation of regnum. We cannot be fish, or amphibians, or vegetables even. Where there's life, there's pain, okay? And pain is good. The pain of work, is good. After you've done your meditation, I suggest going to one of those underwater sea-worlds where you are able to look at the fish from their own perspective, where you are so to speak equal with the fish. And try to see how horrible these creatures are... The fish. They are horrible. The fish that eat in water, and receive their energy from water, etc. And if you're lucky enough you are going to freak out bad, looking at one of those fish.

[@taylornovia8911]

Whys being a fish bad

[@pinosantilli8297]

Shall we put LOGIC, REASON AND SCIENCE at the CENTER of our EXISTENCE? As much as I love those such things I don't think THEY will be ENOUGH for US.

[@Ignirium]

How come? Enough to satisfy us emotionally?

[@pinosantilli8297]

Ignirium I think we need an ethical or moral sphere. No?

[@Ignirium]

@@pinosantilli8297 Yes, i believe we do. I understand the mediation or navigation or creation of an ethical or moral system is done with emotions, or the sensation pain, and a growing understanding of those phenomena. It perplexes me that it seems logic has created everything in existence, including those phenomena, i mean, i haven't seen anything supernatural or superlogical to explain it another way(with rigor). Things seems to work without that assumption pretty well. When i read the last two words you said as "for us" - As in "I don't think 'they' will be enough for us." I interpreted that to mean some things need to appeal to us emotionally, as a sort of satisfaction, and i was reminded of how "Facts don't care about emotions" Unless they're disputing facts about emotions i guess. And to wildly complicate things further because it's interesting to me, It seems we generate and utilize emotions(as a biological human being) as a method for learning/believing facts, checking facts and to accept all experience. I don't know what comes first with trying to understand Truth, it seems like a chicken and egg scenario of what comes first to produce the other, but isn't everything made from logic fundamentally first. Anyone got any thoughts or answers, it's confusing and interesting.

[@GodlessXVIII]

Communism bad! Capitalism good!

[@AskthePoolman]

Then explain to me, why we got butchered by the North Koreans and China. We lost that one or it was a bad tie Vietnam killed us and it wasn’t because a lack of patriotism, it was because we were wrong and actually it was old grandma‘s making IED that won the war my brother stepped on one by the way so, they’re all bad, but socialism is the way to go!

[@bobsagget9212]

4/10 lecturer clearly doesn't speak German or Greek and is yet another materialist anglo trying to understand the Germans. Some interesting historical points but lacking in important context, especially related to the protestant reformation. The lecturer seems to be conveying ideas which are not his own and which he has not confirmed. Good speaker though.

[@Meat-u5g]

Yeah what a vain grasper to TRY to understand a philosophy in a language other than his native. If he could only realize how German philosophy is too superior and nuanced for a common Anglo to grasp as history clearly demonstrates.

[@harryputin5381]

dude...