Nietzsche: The Eternal Recurrence as the Greatest Weight

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

You can enrol in my Nietzsche course here: halkyonacademy.teachable.com/p/thus-spoke-nietzsche

[@rooseveltpina7124]

You manifested in words that which my mind only held as inchoate sensations and phrases; it felt as if a long lost friend resurfaced into my life. I love Nietzsche, and I've yet to find anyone who understands him the way i do

[@timtunden7841]

Just as Hegel writes that we are first confronted with the presence of Being as intuition, but as idea, we cannot delineate it and therefore think it as empty and equal to nothing, which propels us to its becoming a thing -- which Being cannot be, being the ground of thingness -- just so, Kierkegaard writes that what is of interest is exactly, in that moment of its recognition and the grasping of it, emptied of all but the shell of meaning, all that would actually sustain its interesting-ness. Instead, in delineating its edge, its limit its surface, we have grasped a superficial meaning and emptied it of all depth.

[@trychanting]

At 44:00 " Nietzsche says to gaze at the horror of existence and not turn away...." I felt that.

[@jeremybrush4289]

i’ve been cut deeply from this concept as it integrated into my mind before my eyes several times on dmt but first mushrooms. i don’t think there is any redemption or change in outcome just a mistake on loop that i must fall into each cycle and as the horror grasps me upon death i am forced to forget each birthing cycle. i am a bit saddened by this

[@PinoSantilli-hp5qq]

I often thought about us humans. I notice we are quite different than other animals. We have, can I say, moved out of nature and now turn at it and wonder about it. Other creatures don't do that. Beings like us do have a purpose just look at other animals then look at humans and you will see what that is...

[@MirroCosmoKenisis]

Beautiful mind. Your a Teacher . Wonderful might I add.

[@riverromeo682]

55:17 Ace. I appreciate your time in making this.

[@Most_Ghost]

I have believed in eternal return for a long time. When ppl question me on it i tell themit explains 2 anomalies in life. Living the same life over and over again explains deja vu and intuition or trust your gut its almost always right. There is a reason we dont use all of our brain power, that space is taken up as soon as we are born with the memories of the rest our life. We walk around everyday with the memories of our whole life including furture memories, deja vu for example is little leaks in the brain of those memories, same thing for intuition, "ive been here before" feeliing or "something feels off or something doesn’t feel right" or "lets stay a few more minutes" and something significant happens. You're welcome

[@Handlecandle]

This is flawed. Isn't eternal return about things happening again and again as the same? If the past life memories are added into the mix and they cause dejavue than what about the first time it happened? Than the guy or gall musn't had dejavue that time meaning that things have changed since the first life.

[@Handlecandle]

@gamma4524 Hmmm...that's okay. But does the change lead to some kind of end goal after which no more return will be done after the changes accumulate to create the goal or does everything just go around for eternity with small changes that make everything turn into everything else as the small changes accumulate in your belief? I'm just intrested.

[@Eternalised]

Marvelous lecture. Thank you.

[@onlymarkshere]

This was excellent. Very much looking forward to watching your Hegel and Heidegger videos.

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you. Here’s one kzbin.info/www/bejne/al7Fo5ufd9CIrrM

[@markrafferty992]

You’re my go to on KZbin now! Thank 🙏🏻 you.

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you!

[@82472tclt]

Loving this! Can’t wait for the course to start!

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you, Guy! Look forward to reading Nietzsche with you

[@javiphilosophy]

Is it not possible for Nietzsche, for an ideal world and a worldly world to be both affirmed? The simply issue being how is one to reconcile the two? “It is the mysterious touch of the ideal that animates and sustains the real, and through it alone we can discover and affirm the ideal.”- Iqbal

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

HOW THE "TRUE WORLD" FINALLY BECAME A FABLE, by Friedrich Nietzsche: "1. The true world - attainable for the sage, the pious, the virtuous man; he lives in it, he is it. (The oldest form of the idea, relatively sensible, simple, and persuasive. A circumlocution for the sentence, "I, Plato, am the truth.") 2. The true world - unattainable for now, but promised for the sage, the pious, the virtuous man ("for the sinner who repents"). (Progress of the idea: it becomes more subtle, insidious, incomprehensible - it becomes female, it becomes Christian.) 3. The true world - unattainable, indemonstrable, unpromisable; but the very thought of it - a consolation, an obligation, an imperative. (At bottom, the old sun, but seen through mist and skepticism. The idea has become elusive, pale, Nordic, Königsbergian.) 4. The true world - unattainable? At any rate, unattained. And being unattained, also unknown. Consequently, not consoling, redeeming, or obligating: how could something unknown obligate us? (Gray morning. The first yawn of reason. The cockcrow of positivism.) 5. The "true" world - an idea which is no longer good for anything, not even obligating - an idea which has become useless and superfluous - consequently, a refuted idea: let us abolish it! (Bright day; breakfast; return of bon sens and cheerfulness; Plato's embarrassed blush; pandemonium of all free spirits.) 6. The true world - we have abolished. What world has remained? The apparent one perhaps? But no! With the true world we have also abolished the apparent one. (Noon; moment of the briefest shadow; end of the longest error; high point of humanity; INCIPIT ZARATHUSTRA.)"

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

That is to say: what do the terms “real” (of Latin origin) and “ideal” (of a totally different Greek origin) even begin to mean?

[@javiphilosophy]

@@JohannesNiederhauser I see, it seems best then to eliminate ideal and real and just say it as it is. World. Whatever “world” may actually mean. It reminds me of the Matrix when it defines real “ If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain” . If this is to be true then even ideal as a thought would be just an electrical signal of the brain.

[@lincolngreen1344]

Truly appreciate what you are doing.

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you Frank!

[@Noct343]

Damn so this moment is gonna repeat over and over again, might as well enjoy it.

[@bonkersdonkers7381]

This is my understanding of the eternal recurrence of the like and amor fati: Past event 1 has happened and will always happen, which will be overcome in the eternally recurring present moment 2, which leads us to the future moment 3. Therefore, this eternally recurrent present moment overcomes nihilism by endowing meaning on the past and in turn the future, through a process of self overcoming. It’s this process which allows us to move through nihilism through the passage of time. In short, every event is given meaning through this temporal connection. Any thoughts? Am I misunderstanding?

[@apocalypsator6]

This is the afterlife and people are ruining it.

[@PhilosophyPortal]

33:02 "that outrage is very very telling." indeed.

[@RtaniDean]

Any of your own here? The only time and eternal is in the NOW moment through perception. His story and my stery are only in the now moment to be real eyes’d. The past is here, tomorrow is beginning. NOW. In the mirror you have WON, phonetically, one, You hoo.

[@lenaeujane8619]

good video. I've got the same mirror ; )

[@eternalrecurrence5220]

Great video

[@N.M.E.]

It is really hard, imagining you just carrying on with your life after recording this lecture, as with anyone who watched it through the end. I can see the dread and i can feel it. I like to comment under your videos despite my VERY basic (histo-) Philosophical knowledge. Your very emotional presentation provides a pleasingly intuitive way of accessing these thoughts which motivates me into just adding my own. So I still have a, maybe rather dumb question or misconception: What is the Dionysian Yes actually? Must not the affirmation of the horrors of existence "transvalue" to an epidermal numbness of the stoics liking? I for myself came to draw energy from pain i could not circumvent, and to let it be as true as love. I affirm it not as to overcome it but to make it my servant. The coming storm remains wispy as the air it is, and i find no hardship in affirming the air i breathe. I am not numb to it, but the line between love and hate seems to blur into an indifferent something somewhen. Maybe i'm still just most ignorant.

[@franfred11]

This is brilliant. Is there a text version? Thanks. Is it possible to cite the ideas on here?

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you very much! Text might follow soon. You can quote from this by referring to me as the author, Johannes Achill Niederhauser, and link to the video

[@InsideMeWantsOut]

Would it be possible to get the citations when you quote a certain passage? Later in the lecture you do this, but sometimes you do not. Maybe it could be included in the description.

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

For course participants and patreons certainly

[@hoytevanhoytema2660]

BRUH

[@andrewsmith3257]

Great video