NIETZSCHE: Three Types of Men (Rousseau, Goethe, Schopenhauer)

“There are three Images of Man fashioned by our modern time, which for a long while yet will urge mortal men to transfigure their own lives…” - Nietzsche, Schopenhauer as Educator.
One of Nietzsche’s earliest writings are his so-called Untimely Meditations, a collection of essays that lack his later aphoristic and polemic style of writing. One of these essays, entiteld “Schopenhauer as Educator” is of considerable interest.
We will go over the essay in its entirety in another video. Please subscribe if you want to be notified when it comes out. The purpose of this video is to highlight an interesting typology Nietzsche proposes about halfway through.
Nietzsche distinguishes three types of men in the modern world. You could say they are archetypes of sorts: men who set an example that is worthy of being followed. Or are they stages individual men must go through? Nietzsche is not particularly clear on this point. Still, let’s take a closer look.
The Man of Rousseau is the first type. This type “has the greatest fire, and is most calculated to impress the people” - the Man of Rousseau is a revolutionary. Yet it also a deeply troubled soul, who feels estranged from the modern world.
Goethe’s Man is not angry nor dangerous. Goethe’s Man represents a renewed appreciation of Culture and history. Goethe’s Man is not a revolutionary.
Where the man of Rousseau seeks to change the world through revolutionary action, Goethe’s man appreciates the world as it is, including its history. Yet he remains troubled. You could say he appreciates art and culture only to distract himself from his own troubles. His life is culturally-minded, full of pleasure, yet it’s an existence going from desire to desire, fundamentally empty. He lacks passion and brute force.
The Man of Rousseau is passionate but lacks refinement and sophistication. Goethe’s Man is refined, cultured, and sophisticated. But lacks passion. Goethe’s Man needs to become angry.
The Schopenhauerian Man tells the truth, even if others around him don’t like it. The Schopenhauerian Man speaks to the universal, which greatly irritates common men who are only concerned with the particular.
Nietzsche praises the ideal of the Schopenhauerian Man, which is the same creature as the ascetic in Schopenhauer’s philosophy: the sage, the monk, the saint.
The Schopenhauerian Man is a true philosopher in that he is not concerned with wordly affairs. The Man of Rousseau seeks to change the world. Goethe’s Man tries to appreciate the world in order to forget his own suffering, and the Schopenhauerian Man embraces suffering, and turns away from the world.

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It would be nice to explore the various different avenues and perspectives , philosophies and cultures however when your applying it to your own philosophy like Nietzsche maybe it was a step too far , an over stretch perhaps , even Nietzsche in all his wisdom at the time was a loner and a unacknowlrdged philosopher and key thinker until he became became deranged and ‘mad’ himself and then died it wasn’t then until he became noticed

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Thank you so much for all the work you do in these videos! I love both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche; I feel like I can never read enough of these two giants of Thought. I appreciate Nietzsche's urging people to focus on their physical bodies and this physical earth and to stop letting their hopes, fears, and beliefs about die Hinterwelten (Heavens, Utopias, Paradises, Life after Death, political systems with all their grandiose but empty promises) from obstructing their ability to become their own scales, weighers and measurers. (Perhaps if we heeded his urging, we would not only take better care of our physical health, but also the health of the planet and thus reduce its ever increasing climate change.) Per Nietzsche, man does not need redemption, salvation, nor a savior. Man simply needs to embrace amor fati--the good and the bad, the ugly and the pretty, the ups and the downs. Yet, I don't believe Nietzsche was able to fully escape the gravitational pull of die Hinterwelt. I have always found his concept "der Ubermensch" to be quite dubious and somewhat "other worldly". Why must one need an Ubermensch if one is to simply embrace amor fati? Why must one need an Ubermensch if one should focus on their bodies, this earth, and constructing their own tables of values? Or, am I reading too much into his Ubermensch? Again, thank you so much for all you do! I always look forward to your well-made videos!

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Thank you for the helpful insights. I teach the classes in our class on Great Ideas on Nietzsche and mention Schopenhauer's influence on Nietzsche.

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Thank you. I wasn’t aware of young Nietzsche’s love of Schopenhauer. The Gay Science is the earliest work of his I’ve read. I’m deep into Emerson at the moment and I just recently discovered the great influence he had on Nietzsche.

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I've read a fair bit of Nietzche and he profoundly influenced me in my youth, but I can't help but wonder if his often desperately unhappy life might have benefited from the practice of meditation. His early hero (cantankerous though he may have been) incorporated the teachings of the vedas into his philosophy, being one of the first prominent figures to translate them in to German (as far as I can remember). Imagine if they both took some phychadelics? I jest...but still, interesting thought.

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Hi Weltgeist. Would you consider making a poll for your viewers, “Are you more Schopenhauerian or more Nietzschean?” I think it would be interesting.

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@Foster Twelvetrees I'll probably go for Schopenhauer if there were such a poll just because I find Schopenhauer's writing style more digestible for me, someone who has little formal training in philosophy. On the other hand, Nietzsche, for me, is the personification against complacency, which I respect greatly.

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A good prelude for a better understanding of his later philosophy even though I think he is projecting more himself at this time into the Schopenhauerian man. For example, "His courage...once used:" sounds as though he is really talking about himself. You're right though, thirty years old, quite astonishing.

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Goethe , both in his breath of vision , his wide ranging interests and capabilities and his intellectual reach was heads and shoulders above the other two individuals , who no doubt were both endowed with a genius of sorts , but can , in no way , claim an equality of status , with the peerless Goethe .

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Thanks a lot for this video. It really is fascinating to hear about Nietzsche's early philosophy. I think hardly anybody reads Nietzsche nowadays, and those who do tend to only look at his later works. I think it is interesting to trace when his opinion of Schopenhauer changed. In a way, Nietzsche's sicknesses and isolation made him an unwilling ascetic, much like Schopenhauer's man, but then, he emerged with his Amor fati.

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8:30 YEEEAH!!!! Its beautiful and totally epitomize who he was, but it's also scary how our truth is exactly that, "ours", and we believe so intensily to bme real.

[@mrhakeem1154]

long live the UBERMENSCH. I think the path of Nietzsche being a student of Schopenhauer, later on developing critique for Schopenhauer's philosophy is a very natural and was bound to happen. *At some point the student will surpass or be equal to he's master's level or journey off in he's own path for meaning* It is natural that the student often will not see eye to eye with he's master and that is the breaking point where the student will grow to become he's own man. Schopenhauer will always be an important and a key figure in Nietzsche's life. Here is my philosophy based on the path of mastery. *Isn't the path to become a master one which involves planting a seed which will one day surpass you in growth and fullness? for the seed that grows must be taller than it's planter so that it may produce seedlings that will be taller than itself. LONG LIVE THE UBERMENSCH

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Great comment mate! Long live the UBERMENSCH

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A yes Untimely Meditations! Thank you!

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Glad you enjoy

[@kabuti2839]

Because once he realized that the 'outer' world is illusory, [to the 'ordinary' mind], he took the next step, understanding that there is no reason to conflict with that illusion. At this point, the inner & outer illusion fall away & the nature of 'reality' crystallizes, which is beyond duality, beyond conception. A state in which ordinary minds cannot conceive & vehemently deny. This only is the distinction.

[@noheroespublishing1907]

There's an unnamed fourth man, though named only once in Nietzsche's works, one who he wrote only dislike, but probably plagiarized or borrowed heavily from, Philipp Mainlander; the philosopher of the will to death; a philosopher we English speakers only know of because Nietzsche mentions him; a philosopher I look forward to reading when the scholarly translation is finalized.

[@theDanWshow]

Hi there NHP. Who's translation of who's work is it that you are taking about here please?

[@noheroespublishing1907]

@@theDanWshowPhilip Mainlander's two volume work "The Philosophy Of Redemption" as well as his collected poetry; here are some videos on him and his philosophy, below 👇. kzbin.info/aero/PL2fw8PSLtug-qIKNQKaK_yJXsbNVMlFlv

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@@noheroespublishing1907 Thank you so much and thanks for your video content. I'm chasing down a thought and your videos have been helpful, especially in exploring concepts like will to power.

[@noheroespublishing1907]

@@theDanWshow I didn't make the videos, just compiled them from the very few english speaking attempts at looking at poor translations of his work; I've been extremely interested in Mainlander ever since hearing about his views, which I find extremely romantically agreeable, and also the fact that I am a person who philosophically is most in agreement with the pessimists and nihilists, while simultaneously being very much on the Left of the political spectrum. Mainlander is viewed as quite the exception of the pessimist philosophers because he is both the mostly extreme pessimist, and Left Wing, which is viewed as odd because many of the pessimists are either reactionary or viewed as reactionary; Mainlander is an interesting outlier in this, which both fascinates me and confirms that it is indeed possible to be both of these things and that others also think similarly.

[@theDanWshow]

@@noheroespublishing1907 I hear you. It is like coming and going at the same time. I still see great significance to the struggle of all life. And I know that the same struggle for existence is being played out without emotion or pain by planets and stars. And so, I think, the thing that separates us is consciousness. Humans are no longer simple animals. We are bound to a body and the natural world but our will to power is shaping complex systems that may kill us or save us. Many predictions are made for the end of mankind, many of which are overcome by wisdom - if wisdom can react fast enough. Nevertheless the end will come and when it comes it may mean nothing - or maybe our small struggle means everything.

[@Aj-ch5kz]

It is said that foucault was 22 or something when he first encountered this book and was reading an essay from this book, "The uses and abuses of history" which lead to his philosphical freedom , according to his partner.

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Foucault always said that he is a Nietzschean.

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Thank you!

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[@Em_Branco]

I love the irony of his views, how can a person go from embracing a such a blatant example of bad conciousness and the denial of the will with not a doubt in his heart to developing a philosophy that wholeheartedly accepts life in all it's multiplicity in less than a decade? I cannot help but think this is one the funniest jokes in his entire works! And as always, great work! This channel has not let my expectations down ever since It's beginning!

[@mralexander99]

That has puzzled me also...for a long time. Yet, I just love the vigor of his writings, they do something that i don't quite understand to my subconscious....when i gave up trying to make Nietzsche's vision's fit my so-called understanding of what we humans are supposed to be doing with our precious lives and let his writings percolate with difficulty, pain and perplexcity.....it brings me back to the most amazing idea of a lifetime --- "Amor Fati"!

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Thanks for the kind words!

[@N0die]

“Zur Übermenschlichen” simply put; would be the next post-evolution of present day man. Not reachable or attainable by aspiration or adherents, however, not unlike Demigods knowable through abstraction by those antecedents who dare to image them

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[@dwaynesbadchemicals]

And what of the man with all three qualities of character? That would sound more like the definition of the complexity of human experience.

[@Elliotbladen]

Young Nietzsche certainly leans heavily on a eastern type philosophical perspective. Especially in this case, the 'Schopenhauer'

[@xyoungdipsetx]

He does. His ubermitch and eternal recurrence comes from eastern philosophy

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[@siryoucantdothat9743]

nietzsche is the Rousseau man wanting to change the world but died weak and powerless

[@MAX-tw3qz]

Kierkegaard was contemporary with Nietzsche but neither knew of each other and Kierkegaard wrote on Schopenhauer, I would of liked to have known what they made of other.

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Guys i am really into Schopenhauer , i have watched many videos inculding the video in the channel about where to start reading shapenhauer , guys please anyone help me out what to read first , many of the videos say first you have to read plato and then Kundt to understand Shopenhauer . This has really got me confused . Please help a brother out . Thanks peeps .

[@EugenTemba]

Nietzsche is calling me out with that Rousseaun man description, fits me disturbingly well.

[@Insaniya.humanity]

Nietzsche had checks that hiss ass couldn’t cash. Lots of talk, zero action

[@johncotter8045]

It's nice to know that there are other people like me out there

[@davidrandell2224]

And then Nietzsche encountered Max Stirner and went all to pieces. Most since have also broken upon the rock of Stirn(er)’s Unique and “creative nothing.”

[@johnbroadway4196]

As in all that can be of time ; To have A philosophy in certain disciplines only negates Open Ness to why from every philosopher to add A question of what we are raised to believe. And as we grow and mature in age to reject those first taught believed ideals. In this future we have not changed our knowledge of our animal desires. We have masked in technology to believe in our fears of all physical activity in why we must develop slowly. Searching for answers is just A mind to seek beyond that in what we know of our time on Earth. Until we find, Our brains in A removed state in this world of conflict & Confusion.

[@wecas9596]

Can anyone tell me the name of the statue @ 4:40 and who is the sculptor? Thank you.

[@ytusersumone]

If only Friedrich's later personal life, specifically his inner one would have shown encouraging results, then his later ideas would have spiritual substance to back it up. As it unfolded his merit is mostly to be a sparring partner for aspiring minds - he did not have the answeres, he was using what in India is referred to as neti-neti which he also understood in theory to apply to life-negating practices. What he actually reached spiritually is an entirely different thing from his theoretically driven mind. A mentor, but not a Master.

[@alecmisra4964]

But Amor Fati is simply a different, more sophisticated expression of the way of negation or renunciation. After all, how many people can be a Napoleon, he is an outlier, so they cannot, by definition. Amor fati gives the lie to such an idea.

[@Gaurigs]

Not his fault but I wish the delivery were smoother. A language issue I think.

[@OneLine122]

He's a bit to Shoppy what Martin Luther was to religion. Both rejected ascetism, both rejected metaphysics. It was the individual with his Bible and reason. Do we know why he changed suddenly? maybe you could do a video on that.

[@silent_stalker3687]

Was his criticism before or after his disease drove him insane?

[@omegacardboard5834]

Before. He didn't produce any works after he went insane. Only some letters.

[@silent_stalker3687]

@@omegacardboard5834 I kinda mean before some people say he got symptoms that affected him.

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@@silent_stalker3687 I’m quite sure it was before even then

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What is the music at the end?

[@graterdeddly9527]

It is a mystery to me how so many people, ones far more proficient in Nietzsche than I, can insist that he was a nihilist. It is not simply wrong, but further, it fail to even scratch at the surface of the complexity that is the full panorama of Nietzsche's writing. I'm not even sure the word "atheist" really describes him either -- though invariably that is the one almost everyone uses. No, I don't mean that he was secretly going to Mass every Sunday, I just mean that he chose Greek Gods (Apollo and Dionysus) as his exemplars of certain archetypes, and a Persian religious prophet (Zarathustra) as his own messenger. Here his (close to) final words as being a "Yay-sayer" to life, seems to thwart all the attempts to depict him as an atheistic existential nihilist and forerunner of Sartre and Foucault (in their respective dissipated miseries). The one thing that I have taken to doing is to reading Nietzsche's own reviews of his works in Ecce Homo, and then going back and reading over (admittedly not cover to cover), the works themselves to see how the two voices compare. One can wonder how his thought would have evolved had he a few more decades of lucid life, but then, many great thinkers and artists (and he thought of himself as both clearly) reach their apogee about the time madness struck him, so while he may have gone on to great things, perhaps God had a plan in silencing him when He did. His oeuvre has managed to confound multiple generations since he died on the cusp of the 20th century, and will keep doing that very thing for the foreseeable future.

[@bernardliu8526]

Very surprised that you would say that perhaps God, who, famously, according to Nietzsche himself, is dead, saw fit to render Nietzsche insane upon encountering a maltreated horse., which regrettable incident should not happen if an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God truly exists.

[@graterdeddly9527]

@@bernardliu8526 If you mean the comment on his atheism, then it is best quote him in full, in its most popular iteration: The quote is multifaceted, but it is not really about God, per se, it's about humanity, it's about what is left for humanity to believe in after it has lost its faith, which he describes as dangerous move toward nihilism. The point is really that Nietzsche is complex, and it is insufficient to say "atheist" and think that really describes his thoughts on the matter of theism or divinity, or faith in those things. Sometimes people confuse his undeniable anti-Christianity with a simplified atheism, since that's how it often shows up in other more mundane atheists, like Bertrand Russell.

[@alainszyller615]

Goethe was an admirer of Spinoza

[@BlacklightSummerOfficial]

Jp definitely tryna be shoephanuer man

[@cipher1144]

Rousseau man says return to monke.

[@bundleaxe1922]

Ted kaczynski was the true rosseau man

[@mintusaren895]

Seventh symphony not included.

[@KaliFissure]

And there is the future PERSON who understanding their Godhead also understands that having everything at ones fingertips, absolute power, is cold comfort and without Joy unless it is given direction, purpose, challenge. Looking at the stumbling and failings of its previous evolutionary stages with some disgust and seeing much to improve upon takes action understanding at the deepest level that although APART from most nature because of CONSCIOUS REFLECTIVE WILL that Nature is still the font of all energy and life and so the child of the future (read present) will take it upon itself to first heal nature, the essential core of it's own being, in so doing healing themself, clean themself of the grime of recent ancestors. Then the future child can use WILL to increase life and thus JOY in diversity and density and range. Life is Joy. Presently humans are the anti-life equation because they fight against their own spirit and in resentment for their predicament they punch and kick at their mother. Grow up I say to you humans. CHOOSE your future. CREATE your future. DREAM your future as you face your self doubt and lucid dream your enemies into allies. YOU ARE THE DREAMER AND YOU CAN CONTROL THE DREAM

[@mattoreilly5006]

Rousseau was certainly not angry. A sad man absolutely

[@lanu9103]

🙋‍♂️ Fourth type here!

[@theGuilherme36]

It's strange that in other works, Nietzsche says that his ideal kind of man is Goethe, and compares him with Dionysus.

[@jennifs6868]

Goethe was the great thinker, who was destined to fade away with the old misunderstood consciousnesses of the past, kind of like Dionysus. When our thinking becomes detached from the source, it's not hard to see why certain thinkers are no longer Relevant, and others are Revered.

[@theGuilherme36]

@@jennifs6868 I actually think Goethe is very relevant for our times.

[@19amalmichael13]

How is Rousseau’s man any different from Nietzche’s conception of the ‘Übermensch

[@syhusada1130]

I'm waiting for the explanation too

[@suezuccati304]

Nietzsche's conception of an Ubermensch is completely aristocratic. Nietzsche despises democracy, for him, the Ubermensch would reject democracy and exert a purely aristocratic and cruel morality. He's almost the polar opposite to what Rousseau considers ideal.

[@1Plebeian]

The ubermensch invents a new standard and way of being and the Roussean man un-invents the status quo?

[@suezuccati304]

@@1Plebeian as nietzsche says, the übermensch wont be an slave neither it will be a master, it will have completely different values. Rousseaus' conception of an ideal man is what nietzsche would call slave morality and an resentiment with the world. Nietzsche writes that Man is more of an ape than an ape. He actually writes that given the choice, the last man, the weak men, would rather be an ape than be themselves. They lack amor fati and would rather be something of a laughtstock than to take upon them the fate that had been given to him.

[@ahmed2741]

More nietzsche

[@wolfshares]

rousseau = return to monke

[@swift1793]

Based

[@bryanarnold4288]

Not only does Nietzsche realize the error of his earlier ways and change his views on Schopenhauer, but also on Goethe as well. Goethe is considered more inline with the overman ideal later on. I get the sense that Nietzsche eventually worked out some of his own demons and realized that he made errors in judgement base on his own weakness, bitterness, resentment, etc.

[@Mostafa-rq9rm]

So Schopenhauer's metaphysics might be accurate but how he advocates to deal with it Nietzsche disagrees with, and this is why it's possible to admire both men and consider both correct?

[@WeltgeistYT]

Why not!

[@johntiburcio1400]

So basically Schopenhauer = Chad

[@xxalmightyxxxxpandaxx4726]

What is the ubermensch?

[@robertimmanuel577]

overman, the highest ideal of man

[@user-og9nl5mt1b]

I guess I am the first one and socphpenhour man. Kinda both

[@Nebula-nox]

Are you from Belgium you got that accent

[@paxolefeece6520]

Das Uberfellas

[@djartyom924]

*NIETZSCHE*

[@manuelmartin3593]

The good, the bad and the ugly.