[Nijisanji/Eng sub]Kuzuha regarding mentioning names and chat rules

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Pigeon- viewers that goes to other channel and talk about other VTubers
chat police are annoying, stop it!
this stream was 1 year ago and happened before the vtuber apex tournament btw
#Nijisanji #にじさんじ #VTuber

[@annaelisabeth7397]

Kuzuha might seem very irresponsible the first time u see him but now I've gained a respect for the dude. He seems to perfectly know what he's saying, taking no sides. That makes him cool and honestly attractive

[@Sara-zq4qc]

He seems cool n lax most of the time but surprisingly that makes him appear more mature to me. He knows his boundaries and doesn't make a fuss about minor rules. You often hear him yell and complain but u know he isn't genuinely angry about it. But irdk man im an outsider I dont completely understand their culture.

[@ChaChaaa]

He's actually right. Kuzuha's followers are increasing and I hope they're real fans that respects him not those fans that are just joining the bandwagon because he's famous. I hope those who commented rude things in his streams gets blocked and would never be able to follow any of Nijisanji's members.

[@dinozero2]

Man i feel like each clip of Kuzuha talking about certain topics my respect for him increase even more.

[@hao9631]

Before anything else, HELP HE'S TOO CUTE. and I think kzh fans are protecting both kzh and any names mentioned. Since literally anyone will get flamed including kzh cause he surprisingly got a lot of antis (they even join his membership to dislike his members only content and comment weird stuff in chat). Though it can be quite annoying that the chat full of "stop mentioning" since kzh likes to read chat a lot on his solo stream. The right measure is for fans to know the boundary. Also, other vtubers(except kanae) would probably pretend nothing happened in the chat and ignore it to avoid any conflict and here we have this vampire, OK OI STOP FIGHTING YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S ANNOYING SAYING NO MENTIONING I DON'T CARE BOUT IT BTW NOW CHAT NORMALLY kusa

[@kadokrawa99]

is there a bad rumours around him or something,why he got so many antis?

[@cinnamrol]

​@@kadokrawa99 late response but that just comes with popularity he's the #1 male vtuber hate is gonna come along with the love you recieve there's a saying that goes "the brighter the light the darker the shadow" that fits him and any major figure really

[@ZigZagKangaroo]

I actually agree with Kuzuha and it seems completely fine. The JP side seems to be extremely strict on what to do or not. I think it's best to let him do things the way he's been doing them already. His laid back but snarky attitude is the most entertaining that way.

[@FireballFlame]

It's not just JP viewers. I've definitely seen English-speaking viewers get annoying about rules as well. One instance I remember was when a big EN vtuber played Minecraft, on the same server as (and even interacted ingame with) another one from the same group. People in chat were obviously talking about what was happening onscreen - and soon the chat devolved into a big ****show, because half the audience started shouting at everyone to follow the rules (which included the standard "don't talk about other streamers unless I mention them first"), while the other half were shouting at the first half to stop being dumb and taking the rules literally. It was pretty awful.

[@ZigZagKangaroo]

@@FireballFlame ah yeah I didn't mean to say that the EN side is perfect. They also have some points to work on. Chat police is just as bad as people spamming or breaking the rules imo.

[@tash8697]

I think the strict adherence to "chat rules" in general are actually hindering a lot of them from finding success in EN circles like Hololive. Because of the rules a lot of new followers who don't know the chat rules and get admonished in chat and are discouraged from joining in, and a lot of english viewers refrain from commenting for that reason. But half the fun of watching a streamer is chat interaction so it's really difficult...

[@ceesbrt]

@@tash8697 but i do think these rules are what makes the vtuber community peaceful, most of the time. Its best to just follow it unless the person say otherwise

[@AkatsukiWings]

@@tash8697 I mean english viewers do get conflicting things told to them, like Hana Macchia was telling people give new viewers reminders not to talk about other vtubers in chat and to "giving new viewers a reminder and educating them whenever they do something like this will always be really appreciated. so let's try to improve our favourite vtuber's chat together, yeah?", so i understand she personally prefers the policing but the wording makes it seem like we should universally be policing

[@aouie1246]

I love how self aware he is, like he's got an actual proper life outside vtubing. He's right, people should take a chill pill, all these policing and arguments only exist inside their heads, it barely makes sense if u think about it for real.

[@Jacksonforeversprout]

That is not exactly what he is saying here. These rules exist for a reason and he would enforce it if people randomly starts mentioning others without any prompt. But in this game, he is matched up with Uruha in game so it became an "impromptu collab" of sort. Now it's more awkward to NOT mention Uruha so chat should be free to do so. You can't just pretend she's a random person when everyone knows that she's not.

[@augustkoyos]

I'm one of his silent fan so idk but BIG RESPECT for Kuzuha.

[@Catalistic]

Sometimes I don't get it either. It should be fine as long as it still on topic and in this case THEIR TEAMMATES!

[@bit0016]

I pretty much got his point. It is the unspoken rule of VTuber community which got adapted from niconico streaming culture, if I'm not mistaken. Though tbf it does kind of make no sense to prohibit us, listeners, to mention other livers who comes from the group/company or those who shows up in the stream. But then again, a rule was also made to prevent something. In this case, to prevent the chat from going off topic or worse. Because I've heard about some chat who said, "Hey, liver Z started streaming now. Gtg now. Bye" or something like that. In the end, this just a never ending dilemma. The solution is probably depends on the livers themselves. Some of them may apply this rule for their chat, and some others may not just like Kuzuha here.

[@-nomi.-]

hes got such an honest and thoughtful opinion

[@redcomn]

Vtuber rule is as ambiguous as newly established clubhouse.

[@kawaiipotatoes7888]

It reminds me when mito said chat is the reflection of the vtuber. Kuzuha kinda lax guy so that's why he got annoyed with his chat. Chat police is really annoying especially when they enter touurnaments. I think if it's in the content then it's ok to mention names but if it keeps getting annoying, you would really feel it then that's the time you apply that rule. Vtubers do collab a lot as in a lot and from then groups or even ships get develop and being a content creator they don't want to get tied to that so I think that's why they apply that rule in the first place. but real question is was that the real nose?? lol

[@sol-jm3bi]

Hory shet. When u mentioned the, "chat is the reflection of the vtuber" I immediately thought of Kenmochi. The mans here literally roasting his listeners and his listeners join in on the fun and roast him back. It's an endless cycle of wholesome appreciation of the other's existence.

[@rivar1249]

yep that was nose and noah , streams from early last year though ( just before the vtuber tournament in which KCK participated i think)

[@iamelevin6432]

I'm here in the fandom because I enjoy their content. I really appreciate their work and like their personality no matter if they are serious or making us laugh. Kuzuha and Kanae inspires me and gives relief during this difficult times. The community gets really toxic and I'm really praying for them to stay mentally and physically healthy as well and still enjoys playing. I am supporting these guys no matter what. Love them for many reasons.

[@alexello6216]

Chat police is a complete pain lol. The line should be drawn when people starts bringing a vtuber name who doesn't relate to at all in the current topic at hand imo, like it should be fine if its a freechat stream. But sasuga Kuzuha, I 100% always approved whatever this man is saying. Based vampire

[@nonsensicalabyss]

Tell em, Zuha! 😤😤😤 Yo but seriously though, I appreciate how honest and blunt Zuha is regarding some things, while also remaining neutral as much as possible, making his grievances into a banter. I think it's amazing. The way his "juvenile demeanor" changes when it comes to something serious or something he genuinely feels... it's a nice balance of being silly and being mature, he kinda reminds me of Pewds in that aspect tbh xD

[@yugaonchou3612]

Dude, same. I've been thinking that he's got quite a lot in common w/Pewds

[@z1d7-d9d]

I have additional respect for him again. I'm sinking deeper into the Kuzuha fan sea lmao

[@why_r_u_runnin9]

true, the over policing of chat is seriously annoying x_x

[@もも-j1x6o]

the last sentence is very sad.. did kuzuha really thought of quitting? community be good please sobs i cant lose my sunshine

[@Jacksonforeversprout]

If he goes online and gets matched with another famous VTuber like he did here then it's clearly related to the current stream. You don't just act like that was just a random person when you know that she's not. It would be more unnatural to deliberately avoid mentioning her name here than actually mentioining her. The rule is "don't mention others without being prompted" not "never mention others". In this case, being matched in the same game WAS the prompt so the chat should be able to freely mention Uruha. Now if a day has passed and he does a collab stream with Hima and they are playing a different game. Chat should not be mentioning Uruha for no reason. HOWEVER, if he does a collab with Kanae instead and he says "btw I had a game with your friend Uruha the other day....", then that is now a topic chat can discuss again because the streamer himself brought it up.

[@kairisaki4570]

Yeah man idk policing can be alright sometimes when people are taking things a bit far, but like one it just adds more fuel to the flames and sparks more comments that are completely irrelevant to what’s actually going on in the stream, and/or two the stuff people are doing aren’t things that need to be policed at all. I respect the people that police over actual problems and don’t overstep their bounds, but sometimes people just wanna police for somr other random reason (power? doing livers a favor? idk the reason tbh). Like the whole telling livers to go to sleep shenanigans lmao

[@Crosshill]

at least we can do whatever we want in translated video comments, even if i were suddenly fluent enough to keep up with streams real-time i wouldn't bother commenting cause all i know is western twitch culture and thats just not gonna work. i think kuzuha would be pretty fun in a western streaming atmosphere, he doesnt have that idol atmosphere of someone who is comfortable on a pedestal, i respect that pretty hard

[@yuuzelthyc9683]

F for respect! The community is too sensitive at times...

[@rikalinh9526]

At first I kinda disagreed with him but after hearing his reasons I was convinced Tbh his fans seem nicer than many others I’ve been watching an utaite streaming before getting to know him and their chat.. was pure chaos, they kept on mentioning other’s names so I was paranoid about this a lot

[@rivar1249]

people who take rules too seriously are always a pain in the ass

[@shafwandito4724]

This is what made the difference of Vtubers community and Normal Streamer. Normal Streamer has no rule for mentioning names at all, sometimes it even created a whole new content that can be remembered/clipped. That's why I was a bit shock when I saw "No Name Mention unless collab" because that's the first time I ever encounter it. Imho, they created the rule to avoid drama. Twitch streamer is being dragged a lot after chat mentioning their name, which made the streamer answer it. It's good that they does it to avoid drama, but the chat police and the vtuber themselves should know when to enforce and when not. For example, Asking their friends wellness or condition is okay, but asking about what happen to the drama that happen to their friend (like asking Meiro to Chaika or Roa to Gundou) is not okay and need to be enforced since it create unhealthy situations.

[@kawaiipotatoes7888]

Good point that's the last thing I want for a vtuber...a drama among themselves or maybe even worst them getting too political like some western streamers I follow.

[@-Raylight]

Oh it's really Nose-san? I don't think it's that big deal because they're friends after that tournament with Nose-san and Ran I guess some fans just don't like seeing Kuzuha with other female Respect for Kuzuha! He handled the situation so calmly. He's so cool xD

[@rivar1249]

this is an old clip btw (happened last year around april or something )

[@halfelven152]

That one wasnt cr cup

[@wierdnoddlesXD]

Thank you for translating this A lot of his over the top fans need to hear this (including me)

[@Aryenf]

It's all gangsta until those haters spamming other Vtubers.

[@TheSquishySnail]

See, I agree with him in a sense. I think, if the context is right, it's fine to mention another vtuber. But the thing is, when it's done to purposely cause trouble or create some kind of drama, I think that's very rude. I also think it's rude when a person is playing some random game, and listeners come in and demand "Play Apex with VtuberB!!!!" To be a strict chat police is also not creating a positive chat environment as well. So I am not a big fan of chat police too. That being said, if a vtuber is someone who enjoys or encourages drama, then it's fine. If you are a real fan, you should know where the line is with your fave vtuber. If you just watch translated clips but rarely follow the actual streams, I think...exercising a bit of caution is a wise move.

[@bombom1157]

niji in general is very much like that too... (showing true colors after selen situation) i think kuzu has made a big effort to work as one of their most popular liver with his rebellious personality or not even rebellious more like someone very free or self governed, he must have changed a lot about himself to stay, that must have been tough...not necessarily bad though.. kne must have had a lot to do with him sticking around i believe ..and the paid job ofc

[@muhammadnaufalw1822]

Oh its an old stream, no wonder ichinose and noah name is still GG

[@krizzy2580]

Preach, sensei!

[@crimsonphoenix8907]

People who chat police need to find something better to do with their lives honestly 😂

[@doggypi1532]

I also think it's fine to mention such names.. it's not even the slanderous type~ it's even only the username -.- 厳しいな！

[@orangehara]

So basically chat policing is as annoying as the spammer themselves, instead of keep typing ' please don't talk to each other etc..' in the livestream, just ignore those chat or block. Simple as that, kuzuha chat is flowing so fast anyway.

[@キャロット-s4w]

People need to know the balance huh... If both sides are being too much it just gets annoying

[@smug880]

isn't the rule "don't mention vtubers that are UNRELATED to the current stream"? nose and noah were literally on his frickin team there lmao how is it against the rule to talk about them

[@nurifa3993]

May I know what is the rule new VTuber fan need to be aware? I'm new and I would like to be careful with these rule. I don't know that we can't mention other VTuber in other VTuber's live. Please kindly teach me what is the rule that I need to be aware of. I definitely don't want to be blocked especially in Kanae channel. I don't really understand what Kanae said as I'm not native but I think there was a few times where particular fans chat was blocked due to something in the live comment. Don't know what is it about though.. Please, anyone 🥺

[@justjoyp]

hi, maybe this is a little late but there are fan accounts on twitter that do live translations and also post general info about kanae/kuzuha/chronoir and others. You should see a few of them when you search your oshi name in the search bar.

[@ChronicalV]

Honestly I don't get a lot of vtuber rules, like why you can't reply to a vtuber tweet chain

[@maymay5600]

Exactly!

[@ChronicalV]

@@Lulu_0809 yea, only applies to jp culture tho. If two vtubers are replying to each other you will get mad shit from other people (in japanese) if you reply to anything in the thread, and theres even anti-reply memes. Imo if they want to do that then just use your DMs. Why make it public? A lot of the time the replies are just normal replies with no intentions of butting in and interrupting the conversation, I don't get why they're so sensitive

[@km-123]

it's just generally considered rude, butting into someone else's conversations like that. if you Really feel the need to reply then it's 100% ok to quote retweet it. let's just say if you're engaging in japanese media, you must follow and respect THEIR rules, even if you don't get it. and i admit- a lot of it really doesn't make sense but what can you do about it, you know?

[@ChronicalV]

@@km-123 oh yea dw, i rarely use japanese for the reason that theres so many rules im too scared to say anything without tripping on some landmine, and i dont wanna be the same as every other foreigner and just use the foreigner card when i fuck up. Theres nothing i can do as a foreigner individual to change their culture, so i just give in. But i feel like thats how a lot of issues are created (giving in bc everyone else is). Anyway i get that they think its rude, but what is the justification? People "butt in" to each other in replies all the time, why put vtubers on this pedestal of being untouchable?

[@km-123]

@@ChronicalV yeah i know right? but the reason i've seen the most is that these streamers are not our friends, we don't know them personally, and we don't know their boundaries unless it's specifically mentioned by themselves otherwise. most of the time, people just avoid doing it at the risk of being seen as invasive or not being able to "read the atmosphere"

[@notnotme3918]

Wait what I'm new to the community why is mentioning names not allowed?