Writing METAL using AI, but it's actually good?!

Creating insane Metal music using AI (Suno)
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[@NikNocturnal]

Smash like for computer noise breakdowns

[@InifintyLefty]

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[@miles2677]

What AI did you use???

[@divinekarthus4993]

@@miles2677 AI (Suno)

[@kalebford7566]

Did you see the baby metal / electric callboy announcement?

[@DD-wh2mp]

Please input country-core!

[@StoriesOfSolitude]

If AI can give Nik the STANK FACE, we're doomed.

[@thincreator3483]

Yo new band [Will add to the Death list soon :^]

[@lNTERESTlNG]

Sexual moans on an AI-made RnB track is a vibe.

[@kantilamsheth9251]

Ayo wtf

[@MullilluM]

Songwriters must be sweating. Asking Alexandria won't need to hire anyone to write their next album now.

[@ejune0381]

😂😂

[@kricetispies732]

😂

[@Sam-uu2nx]

Hey! Danny writes his own country music 😂

[@joshualook5032]

Who did they hire?😂

[@thatdarlin]

GOD 🔥

[@thomaskatje14]

Soon we will have A.I. Nocturnal doing stank faces and having voicecracks

[@TheCountSummon]

Holy that dubstep melody goes insanely hard, I need a serious version of that

[@Joethetoolguy]

Srsly it’s a bop

[@meeserbaker]

Lmaoooo @ 2:18 it says "THIS IS SUCH A COOL BEATDOWN" BAAHHAAA oh holy hell thats funny. Its like: extreme vocal skill - 99% Songwriting skill - 1%

[@panic007]

The songwriting is actually terrible i love it

[@funsimulator7246]

😂😂😂😂 high school metalcore band lyrics

[@Kbax3614]

@@funsimulator7246bruh it is usually pretty good.

[@KBRoller]

That's because the "basic mode" of Suno, or just asking ChatGPT to "write a song about X", is not nearly specific enough to get good lyrics. You're asking an AI that's read a huge chunk of content written by all different people to write about a topic -- it's going to just average everything together, giving you an average song. (And in the case of Suno's "basic" mode, it includes the genre *in the same prompt as the lyrics* with equal attention, which is why you get dumb genre references in the lyrics themselves.) This is why, to get decent AI lyrics, you need to be specific with the prompts: give it a specific perspective to write from, and maybe some memories to draw inspiration from. That's how my project Synthia Nova works (on my personal channel, @IceMetalPunk; this is my work account). Are the lyrics perfect? No. But they're far better than just the basic prompts give you.

[@Jaap-Relou]

I want AI to do my dishes, vacuum clean, clean my house, do groceries so i can focus on doing what i love, not the other way around….

[@TheDemonOfSemen]

This.

[@runaway416]

And go to work instead of me.

[@KBRoller]

You don't get paid to do any of those things (in fact, getting groceries makes *you* pay). So if it's not about losing a job, then an AI making music in no way stops you from making music, too, if you enjoy it. Like, Beyonce and Ed Sheeran are way more talented singers than me, but I still enjoy singing anyway.

[@BigO161107]

Oh It will do that, for the rich people.

[@TheDemonOfSemen]

@@BigO161107 Nah, human slaves are far cheaper than robot slaves.

[@mikey13086]

@7:45 I genuinely would playlist that song. So good.

[@KAmikaDDzeDD]

me too

[@extraction.official]

some Invent Animate vibes tho ngl

[@extraction.official]

okay maybe not so much but like damn

[@matheusfrazaorodrigues9450]

The Brazil flag in the backgrond is something else

[@tobaccymatty]

Backgrond is wild

[@juhbenward18]

É pq ele ta namorando uma br?

[@cortesdomatheusoceansofici7393]

Namora uma mina daqui

[@Omaba_Baba]

7:59 I got chills.. WHAT THE FUCK!? Brooooo, bands today are either skating easy, saying they write shit an work hours and days and weeks in the studio... or they just do this shit and take a 6 month vacation then put personal twists on whatever this generates. I'm both incredibly impressed and terrified.

[@darthshuster551]

I like how all I wanted was AI to make my mixes not sound like shit, but nooooo, I just have to be kicked out of my art form 😂

[@christiandauz3742]

Unless you are top tier like Slipknot, BMTH or Rise Against you are fucked

[@solarnewborn]

It was fun making music while it lasted Guess I’ll pick up gardening or something

[@Magicmatty2024]

💯 🤠

[@gabrielpeters929]

Even if AI is able to replicate recordings perfectly, there is always gonna be a demand for live music!

[@StoriesOfSolitude]

AI will take over that eventually as well

[@solarnewborn]

@@StoriesOfSolitude idk about that. For whatever reason, people hate holograms!

[@StoriesOfSolitude]

@@solarnewborn I meant gardening 🤣

[@toddwilliams8128]

“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” -Dune Stay frosty, people

[@nogedoge]

This.

[@thatdarlin]

THIS

[@suburban-vampire]

LOL "thinking".

[@TwiztedHarlequin]

In 10 years : A: Whats you job? B: I'm a musician! A: Oh really? What instruments you're playing and what genre? B: Instruments? Whazzat? I press a "Generate" button trice a month and music comes out and I sell it. I call it Futurecore. A: Uhhhhhh......?

[@bachilles3285]

A. Thanks, anyway. B. So, when do I start? A. You don't. B. I don't? What do you mean I don't? A. You don't. You're not getting the job. The end. B. I'm not getting the job? I don't get it, all I said was "I press a 'Generate' button" and- A. That's the point. You use AI to do all the work *for* you. And, from what I've seen, that doesn't guarantee you a job. Come back when you learn an instrument.

[@maccaroon3941]

futurecore is a name for an actual edm genre tho😭 it's basically speedcore + future bass

[@thephoenixhasflown]

Okay yeah future core that actually sounds legitimate. Good job.

[@gaborkiss1425]

Fuckedupcore

[@Always.Smarter]

sounds like people describing FL Studio and autotune not too long ago.

[@johnc.hammersticks]

At 3:00 "what are these vocals ?" Quick answer, sounds like alex screaming through an old static-y black and white TV down the hall.

[@gaborkiss1425]

That sounds terrible

[@nickshepley2566]

Never felt so hopeless and hopeful at the same time

[@idrkginaf4204]

Why is the dubstep trap metal So Fire dude

[@juliusreker2526]

We're all gonna lose our jobs.

[@nukewurld]

I'll be long gone before a robot can do what I do in shipbuilding

[@ivorkvarantan3031]

Such a good comment

[@dhlehrenlos]

ya'll have jobs?

[@ThatWolfArrow]

And AI bros will laugh the entire time like the soulless grifters they are.

[@osatanelaya]

🤝 (I'm an artist)

[@HeyItsTheWykydtron]

Oh Jesus I involuntary headbanged.. we're all doomed, we're all jobless, welcome to the future fellow podpeople

[@vinny-zebu]

Musicians don't seem to be concerned about the data they trained these AI on.

[@Zareh_Abrahamian]

What can they do? The greedy companies have stolen their centuries long hard work without asking them and are going to make billions through subscription fees, rendering all artists dead or living irrelevant.

[@A7x_Forever]

Dude. I just tried it out and gave it a prompt to put out a Metal Gear Rising style song. My. Jaw. Is. On. The. Floor. It got the song strucure right. It got the lenght right. It got the lyrics and storytelling aspect right. It switched between metal and synthy epic, motivational choruses. I'm done. I'm actually done. Edit: Yeah. So, I just asked it to generate a 2000's Metalcore song with clean vocals in the chorus. Lyrics were generated by ChatGPT. I need to share this with Nik, I'm not even kidding. This is insane.

[@bbwait2718]

What the flip?! 😂 this dubstep metal was so freaking good 😂

[@ejune0381]

I need the full song on spotify lol

[@rg5312]

dude that dubstep metal was the best shit I have heard in months wtf

[@farmered4232]

That last song was extremely listenable… the upside of AI is that it will capture a wider slice of human creativity.

[@Zareh_Abrahamian]

The downside is it will rob humans of the same creativity turning them into morons.

[@figeon]

7:45 Ai literally made a modern Bring Me The Horizon single...

[@omniscienteye8880]

AI can only use what is out there as a reference. The more critical thinking power you give to AI the dumber decisions we will make.

[@paragonca9736]

2:57 this sounds so much like Reflections

[@edshanks2189]

I feel like AI audio generation is now moving at a faster rate than image generation.

[@fallensoildier]

Yes cuz music is just math and computers are good with it since the beginning,… images are a little bit more complex

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

​@@fallensoildierMusic is also performance though, which AI will never remotely emulate. Sounding like a performance =/= a performance, and it will never signal intention the way a musician does

[@fallensoildier]

@@Sergio-nb4hj im not arguing that haha that has Nothing to do with the speed 😅😅 the Topic here was that for computers music is more easy to “simulate” than an image “visual Art”

[@Xvarwerz_bg]

Crimson embrace HAS to be made into a song. Daammnnn

[@mosthatedminnesotan]

This is really crazy stuff at this point! Even in the last 2 years, the progress of this tech is astonishing!

[@MoreGamingTeam]

You can extend songs too and combine them by using the "get whole song" option. In the lyrics section you can put stuff in brackets for it to do like [guitar solo] or [end song], it helps construct a full idea.

[@Zack0409]

What’s the app/program called? How much does it cost and is it on pc and iPhone? Thanks. I really wanna try this out.

[@kackman1950]

I second this comment

[@wxf9493]

@@Zack0409 It's Suno . There is a free version, where you get 50 credits a day. It generates 2 songs per generation, which uses 5 credits each. So in a day you can get 2 versions of 5 songs. Each song is 2 minutes long. If you extend a song, it generates an extra 1 minute; this still costs 5 credits. I use it on PC, I'm not sure if it is on iPhone or Android as well.

[@SelcraigClimbs]

@@Zack0409 it's called Suno and is free for a limited amount of generations. Works on any device 👌

[@altonito777]

@@Zack0409 just google suno and login with mail, you can generate 5 songs (2 versions of each) each day for free

[@Baz1S]

That Crimson Embrace went way too hard. You gotta remake it. Literally instant #1 baddiecore song in charts.

[@AyoItsNepsii]

4:55 IT WAS TRYING TO MATCH DANCE GAVIN DANCE WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FRICK????

[@tannerb43]

I love music and technology and Ai will never have soul to it's music but I really wanna hear more of this! The way you blended ideas for it and they came out awesome, I definitely wanna see a series of this maybe with even full songs lol

[@Zack0409]

I’ve used the app for 15 minutes and made at least 3 songs I’d actually listen to. This thing is crazy

[@archiecorduner7222]

What's the app?

[@justsomeguy6336]

@@archiecorduner7222Suno.

[@jadiusmusic]

@@archiecorduner7222 This one is Suno. To me Udio is much better but if you wanna have fun just try em both

[@MCDexpo]

I was hoping you would cover Suno AI one day. I freaking LOVE it.

[@thrashtoad6956]

"Known about it for a bit"? Over a year bud. Just for everyone to know our Boi is on top of it!!!

[@Vyrus-1980]

Yeah. This ended my musical journey in life. Packed up my guitars/bass/drums and recording equipment into the garage. There's no point anymore.

[@user-cc8gy4vu3t]

Same. I'm thinking about suicide rn, cause i did not nothing in uni but played guitar hoping that one day i'm gonna make tons of money...

[@greasycheese8095]

lol ok buddy

[@cheevocabra]

To the people in chat talking about how bad it is, I guess this needs to get said every time. "You think this sounds bad, but keep in mind, this is the worst that AI music will ever sound."

[@ItsVeX]

I love that Nik rejected the idea of letting the AI make a cancelled vocalist metal core song that sounds like DGD but then the AI made it anyway 4:55

[@certifiedhitmaker6717]

Dich givts noch ist das krass

[@wessel4111]

Made an entire gym metal playlist with lyrics motivating me through each exercise and its hilarious.

[@saughs]

Funny timing. I just started using Suno yesterday and have been obsessed

[@hurblegurble1512]

Coming from the Dennis fan-club to once again say- His stream and stuff was NOT AI. He wrote all the code himself and sampled his guitars. Procedural generation my guy, not AI. He puts in HEAPS of work.

[@VadikRamm]

2:34 and 7:45 are straight up banger, I hope you extend these track and make them public!

[@NoahWolfe]

So weird you put this out today. i just had my mind blown earlier by prompting UDIO with some "brutal, djent, prog, ambient, instrumental" etc prompts. The shit it came up with was scary, inspiring in some cases. Haven't tried the other AI (Suno) yet. Paraphrasing papa Beato: "Consumers" absolutely won't care what made the music if they like it. Yet humans will still create because of the joy of creation. Fun times ahead!

[@UnfamusOfficial]

Vocaloids are already kinda popular in some circles. I can't see songs like this selling out stadiums, but blending AI music with a money-hungry studio is going to produce results.

[@dffgffffffdddddddddd]

Udio is better imo

[@thelilpeanutdotgov]

@@dffgffffffdddddddddddepends, suno does longer and it can be more creative but udio can make higher quality

[@SineEyed]

"papa Beato"?? 🤮

[@KnightWalkerRadio]

I use Suno to make parody songs for fun and it's crazy how good some of them turn out, especially after the 3.5 update. Shit is wild

[@craigdawsonmate2517]

That dubstep metal song is so beautiful

[@TheKingZong]

Ok but why is it actually good, Im upset that last track isnt a real song cause I would 100% add that to my playlist

[@ObristPlayep]

right??? it's literally something id listen and put in my spotify playlist

[@baxtor95]

Petition for Nik to make Crimson Embrace an actual song

[@eridinus2110]

The dubstep one was crazy

[@GreyTrafficCone]

I did NOT expect it to be that good, holy shit

[@Brianna_Rain]

Suno has been fun for me lately because I love the thought of brewing music and making ridiculous songs, but lack the necessary skill and the time to learn. I love the custom lyrics option because I can get more creative with it and I’ve been making the goofiest shit this past week. Honestly super funny to me when a song actually sounds really good, but has stupid lyrics. 😂

[@AutoHeadbanger]

I don't want to take away from real artists as they have true talent like Nik here. Ive been making heavy metal AI 40K inspired songs for a bit now and have started posting them on my channel.

[@peytonbollhorst6624]

My friend decided to use this technology to make a rock song themed around me and it has the sickest guitar solo😂

[@TheFloatingHouse]

We shouldn't be this surprised, we've been training AI for a while now 😂

[@some.dude.on.za.internet]

**THIS IS SUCH A COOL BEATDOWN** WTF IS THAT OF A LINE😂😂

[@briang9738]

Watched this and started immediately making music. Incredible piece of AI.

[@arvopenaali896]

You know these could just be leftover demos from your average American metalcore bands of the last 15 years.

[@gamefan6142]

I don't know what's scarier: The fact that AI can make songs that are this good, or that all modern music so similar that AI can be trained on it.

[@cloudbloodmusic]

If it phases out generic musicians I'm fine with it tbh.

[@mangopie7602]

​@@cloudbloodmusic considering it just makes generic songs, yeah

[@BussinandDiscussin]

Once you listen to a lot of metal you really hear the same things over and over. AI copies what we do and does it well so its easy to make something recognizable.

[@justsomeguy6336]

The latter definitely.

[@justsomeguy6336]

@@mangopie7602It seems the ai has 3 different outputs: metalcore, butt rock, and pop

[@adambickford8720]

Metal has been derivative for so long there's literally an algorithm for it.

[@atid4998]

I did not expect AI music to come this fast... now i am just hoping there will be no AI software like stable difussion but for music where you can freely, locally train the AI with specific artist's style

[@SineEyed]

Having an ai copy someone's style is the lamest, low IQ, caveman shit you could do with such an innovative tool..

[@5609Ali]

I feel anxious about this

[@Whales2215]

I've been absolutely dreaming of a motown hardcore scene. Please try this 😂

[@marlomaon]

from A.I straight to just A.

[@themightyironoak]

AI metal will never be as good as the heaviest bands out there. Long live the Metal Gods!! METAL NEVER DIES!!

[@winklenator]

The vocals in the beatdown prompt almost remind of Ronnie Radke’s lows on Escape The Fate’s The Guillotine

[@TheMightyMana]

Suno is good, but Udio is just insane. You should try it.

[@j.o.1715]

Whoah, just tried it, it IS good and its freaking me out

[@notreally-sf3df]

Udio is way worse in every way, your ears don't work

[@AiandMusic]

@@notreally-sf3df lol! I bet the world is also flat?

[@thelilpeanutdotgov]

i feel like they both have their strengths and weaknesses, for example audio quality and prompt guidance, etc

[@notreally-sf3df]

@@thelilpeanutdotgov Udio doesn't do anything well other than sound more djent/jazz because it's bad. It sounds like suno v1. It doesn't think like a composer at all and doesn't have any data related to actually writing songs.

[@Derpderp389]

That's the thing. Artists should try to utilize AI as a tool in developing new songs, but when it comes to being every kind of genre based on information that's been fed to the AI could be copyrighted intellectual property could bring up plagiarism problems. Gotta be used as a tool, not a replacement.

[@Connection-Lost]

You can just click Custom mode and ask it to generate lyrics based on a prompt, so that you can preview them and not waste an attempt with random lyrics. Once you get good lyrics, you can modify them or proceed with your generation attempt.

[@ericanderson6374]

No need for concern until AI death metal knows to throw in the random "BLAEH!!"

[@Shiroar]

Okay, but if our future AI overlords deliver fire breakdowns and chaoscore, I might just welcome them 😂

[@RetributionIV]

The last one was actually pretty dope. Full version when? Haha

[@jaroslavsvaha6065]

The most mind blowing thing to me is that it is able to repeat a chorus, but make it acoustic or piano the second time, keeping the same vocal melody

[@SerpentbreeD]

I've recently been experimenting around with AI generated metal. I enjoy writing. Putting my lyrics to music is just euphoric. Uploaded 3 fairly different tracks so far.

[@muzhafarazhar6670]

That shit good dude. Just wondering if all the AI can do metal and band stuff. Might be in future, AI Metal Band with full album release each day and even throw a concert 😂

[@tjwest2605]

6:42 Okay what the hell, that has NO reason to sound that good

[@bgbuilds2712]

That Dubstep jam was raw. I'm feeling that.

[@Fox20858]

Nik, this gave me the idea to make an entire album using AI and I'm currently doing that because of this video.

[@alfioventura3132]

That sad metal song was very good. Would like to have a full version of that

[@NullSignal]

I think you nailed it on the head with it being a great writing *tool*. As someone who typically writes the instrumental first and then vocals, I've been able to flip the process on its head and start with lyrics first (not using the Suno auto generated/ChatGPT lyrics), experiment with different vocal cadences, and get ideas about the song structure. I also have a huge pile of lyrics written that have never found a home, and this has turned them into a rapid fire brainstorming method which definitely helped me curb the writer's block. Honestly, I would compare it more to collaborating with someone than it being useful as a "full song generator". Sometimes all it takes is a tiny idea or snippet for our brains to just run with it and make something fantastic.

[@SineEyed]

Totally agree--and my story is similar to yours. Had a buncha words I'd written in various notebooks, from way WAY back in the day, to today that I never put to music. Finally hearing those words come to life damn near brought a tear to my eye. Ai music and my lyrics turned out to be a pretty good combo. Radio hits I tell ya... radio hits!..

[@NullSignal]

@@SineEyed I definitely had some tear jerker moments with a few of the more "close to the heart" songs I wrote and...ooof...hit me right in the feely feel spot.

[@SineEyed]

@@NullSignal care to share?..

[@scrutinyofthereptile666]

Out of curiosity I tried putting some of my lyrics (that as yet have no music) into udio. The results were not musically inspiring, but it did come up with some phrasings and lyric rhythm that I never would have thought of, totally opened up a new perspective on how to proceed with the song. I probably won't use any of the ideas but it has at least broken through a block I was having.

[@NullSignal]

@@scrutinyofthereptile666 yeah the vocal cadence can be awkward at times but it did nail a few of my ideas on the head. The Oceans demo on my channel is the ai vox from udio. Pretty much matched what I envisioned 100% (moved to an apartment, no more screamy bois for me)

[@mattwilliams9506]

Imagine AI like lighting that streaks across the clouds. You give it a command and it bolts out across the web, every branch spreading out as it goes to collect any and all relevant information to satisfy that command. So, if ramps, fades, and breakdowns are popular in that genre, it will add that to its gathering. Even voices that are popular will be collected and reproduced. It’s fucking scary. There’s been some people say, as it gets stronger, it will emulate humans in their yearning for sense of purpose. For anyone who’s watched The Orville, Kaylons come to mind….

[@phlegethon666]

been messing around with this ai ever since i saw the video, thanks 🙂

[@cofiddle]

This is one of the best tools ever for inspiration, holy shit

[@unstabledelusion]

It is pretty insane, I made like a set of 9 songs using AI and created a playlist on my channel, I wrote the lyrics and created it using Udio. Sometimes there is a lot of strange things in the middle and it need some adjusts but indeed it is coming up really fast. The part that is scary is that in 2 songs that I made the AI hallucinated, and started singing some things that I can't even understand lol.

[@philldavis5653]

Thank you Nik. I've found a new distraction.

[@No-cg9kj]

3.5 is even better. I've heard the nastiest breakdowns and insane solos from it.

[@badwo1_f]

Suno is freaking amazing, me and my dude practically made an album over night just playing around.

[@exversed]

Hey! Just wanted to say that it works well only with all of EDM and 'calmer' type of songs. Suno can only generate cool Heavy and Power metal songs, but not djent, deathcore, etc.

[@BlujusticeVR]

That last track was super dope bro!

[@FrostedVanity]

That dubstep mash up was a banger!

[@MettleGoose]

Had a lot of fun recently with the Mettle Goose project which is pairing Mother Goose nursery rhymes with metal using to the power of AI. It's been interesting to see what it can come up with, although at this stage it does take a fair amount of (human) time and effort to stitch together something coherent that was vaguely what you had in mind as AI has a habit of going off on its own tangents. The rate this tech is advancing though, much of the current limitations will probably no longer be an issue in the very near future. Definitely going to change many areas of the music industry.

[@USGovsOwnersRtheRealEnemy]

Nik realizing that in the world he’s in, he is the Ai. You live in a metal terrarium.

[@tedzagaro]

Thanks Nik. I’m addicted to this while it’s still legal.

[@user-gx8iw2pr7u]

I made a thall song and it nailed the ambience, even a full minute ending with weird ambient noises. "space jam"

[@loidnoakes]

I died of laughter with that "british male vocalist"

[@twohorsesinamancostume7606]

I've actually been listening to a lot of Obscurest Vinyl. It's A.I. creating joke 50s and 60s songs, with titles like "I Glued My Balls to My Butthole again," "You Look Like You Could Use This Fuckin Lamp" and "This Baptism Fucking Blows (Just Dunk the Kid Already)." The best part is my parents have their own personal mix of 50s and 60s songs on Spotify and I mixed the Obscurest Vinyl songs in. I'm excitedly waiting for that inevitable phone call.

[@joshbrienen5133]

Bahahah that's brilliant

[@metalmowytone]

I love playing with this. I made a death metal song about Matt Berry. We have peaked as a race

[@TheDemonOfSemen]

Sane people: “Hey, let’s use AI and Machines to automate dangerous and boring tasks.” Everyone else: “Nah.”

[@caspera1844]

those songs are sounding really good imo. scary.

[@dc619]

Ok, that dubstep metalcore was insanely decent