The Great Paper Mario War

[@Raul_27]

I love that Super Paper Mario is seen as a spin-off or something aside from the issue.

[@paulgilbert5278]

It’s the middle child

[@T_the_Smeargle]

@@paulgilbert5278quite literally, unfortunately… But, that makes them the balance of us all!!!

[@_J189]

Yeah, it’s like a spin-off to a spin-off series. Spin-offception

[@tdsco]

Well it is completely aside from the issue. The only things SPM doesn’t have from the originals are turn based combat and the 2 and a half D level design. It has all the original characters, locations, items, and a great (the best) story just like the originals

[@_J189]

I haven’t played SPM, so I have zero opinion of the story, but CS has my vote for best in the series. I know a lot of people will have their own opinions on why my opinion is terrible, so let’s just skip that part.

[@chigginnuggie7681]

I grew up with Sticker Star and I HATED it. Turned me away from Paper Mario….Until I played the N64 version on the Switch. I loved it and now I’m excited for the TTYD remake!

[@wisdomtriper405]

I grew up with sticker star and I loved it atleast for me the music was memorable and the story was good I do admit that the stickers were a bit frustrating but i definitely did not see the ending coming. sticker star was good for me and that's why I probably love ttyd more but origami king felt short and the there was no balance between a challenge and a chore.

[@falcoperegrinus2292]

You are in for such a treat!

[@yesterdayboy8885]

My Man 😎🤜🤛😎

[@mrcwillis6970]

Of course there is. I grew up with the modern paper Mario games and I’m more than excited to finally be able to play a remake of TTYD. People can’t just be happy for others.

[@rpgranked]

Fax here. I've grown up with both, it's embarrassing how many grown adults can't just agree to disagree haha.

[@Tazerboy_10]

Yeah!

[@Tazerboy_10]

@@rpgranked - Yup

[@EzekielBread-fv1xc]

i too am a modern fan, but with all the info about ttyd, i'm glad to say that i'm a fan of classic and modern

[@-Logan_Word-7437]

Super paper Mario is my personal favorite. Truly a masterpiece

[@Silverlightbird]

Story Wise It us written superb!

[@DavidKearns4]

Mine too!

[@thedraftingax5963]

Mine too! It is one of my favorites besides TTYD, Color Splash, Origami King, and Sticker Star. Especially the first-ever Paper Mario game!

[@Gamer1288]

It is my favourite Paper Mario Game. If 64 was remade with all the Improvements TTYD made added in to the Badge and Battle System as well as Level Cap then I would prefer it over TTYD.

[@oesr350]

You know little to my I did not like Super paper Mario? For his inconsistent progression, especially being a platformer.

[@nomo4u886]

The first 3 games are my personal favorites especially the thousand year door but if you’re a fan of the newer games I respect it. I’m not blinded by nostalgia I genuinely think the first 3 are way better so I’m hyped that the thousand year door is getting a remake in 2024.

[@CreedoTheGamer]

Super paper Mario is the 3rd game in a trilogy, I refuse to consider it anything else, it’s actually set in the same world as the first 2 and Mario and Luigi have the same house still

[@bestevil.]

All the games are actually connected and set in the same world

[@ziqi92]

I think the better word to describe older fans of TTYD reacting to more modern Paper Mario is “disappointment”. I’m one of them. It’s just really hard to hold a candle to TTYD. New Paper Mario is incredibly experimental, so that’s obviously not going to gel with a lot of people who already know exactly what they want to play. It really doesn’t help that games since Sticker Star were explicitly barred from having the same creative room as TTYD.

[@tyler-w7w]

As much as i like sticker star i have to agree

[@oesr350]

Take into account one thing, because you do not like a game does not mean that it is bad, Sticker is among the worst "Paper mario" but it is not a bad game.

[@BaronSterling]

​@@oesr350It is absolutely a bad game. With 0 nostalgia or expectations involved, it's still bland, with an awful and inconsistent consumables-based battle system, poor progression, nonsensical "puzzles," bosses that practically ignore the entire battle system in favor of "did you bring the right Things ahead of time with no hints??", poor (almost non-existent) dialogue, boring enemy design, homogenous NPC designs, lacking story, etc etc. You can go in completely blind, with no expectations of what a Paper Mario game or even just a Mario game should be, but Sticker Star will still be a complete failure in all aspects. The later games in the new trilogy refined this style and earned the status of "different, but good," sure, but Sticker Star is an objectively bad, indefensible trash fire.

[@oesr350]

@@BaronSterling For me the one that is indefensible would be Super Paper Mario and that's why I catalog it as the worst of the Star sticker saga has certain qualities (few but it has them).

[@oesr350]

Tell me because TTYD is the best in the series, I played it and I didn't think it's a big deal.

[@naikou1633]

The first time I played Paper Mario was when I went to my friend's house and played a little bit of Super Paper Mario. I never owned the game myself, but I did get Sticker Star when it came out and I remember being fascinated by it and watching the trailer over and over. I spent a lot of my time on that game, and it didn't take long before I had to follow a guide in order to make any progress because it was impossible for me to understand what I was supposed to do. I also remember never being able to beat the final boss because even when I was pretty sure I had all the right stickers I couldn't ever beat Bowser's final form. My experience with that game left a pretty sour taste in my mouth and when they announced the newer games I never had any interest in them. I remember joking about getting Origami King because it came out on my birthday but I didn't actually get it. I was never really able to play the older Paper Mario games, but I remember watching KZbin videos about them and seeing stuff like Mr. L as alternate costumes in Project M, and I'd say that those KZbin videos of the older games is where my fascination with the series derives from. I'm very happy that TTYD is being remade because I've only ever heard good things about it and now I'll be able to experience it for the first time.

[@immortalfrieza]

Grab the original Paper Mario and play that first before you get into the remake. TTYD improves upon basically every aspect of the original so you'll feel spoiled if eventually you go back and play the original after playing TTYD first.

[@ob1474]

I really like what arlo said, the new ones have a heavy emphasis on the paper element. Like, the characters in the new one acknowledge that they live in a paper world, but in the old games, it’s more about the story

[@Videoguy612]

Super Paper Mario is my favorite Paper Mario game!!! Since I'm personally not much of a fan of regular RPG's. Not to mention it had amazingly detailed characters, with great music and an AMAZING story.

[@starless4146]

SPM's story Hit Different! That ending... I'm so happy for them but so sad at the same time! omg.......

[@vashtanerada2731]

​@@starless4146But they survived? I don't know I interpretate the final.

[@starless4146]

@@vashtanerada2731 No..they did not survive. They both died.... but they were together in the end.

[@vashtanerada2731]

@@starless4146In the final we can see them. But I don't know if it was a flashback or thet back in their dimension.

[@starless4146]

@@vashtanerada2731 what ever the case was... it was SAD!! (and happy) ...

[@NekoTamer15]

To me, the newer paper marios are like cake without icing. Not bad, but really missing something that would make them great.

[@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4]

Not sure why they don’t allow costume for paper Mario origami king, for the next game, they should fix up the ring system(The problem I think is that it’s too long for an adventure game. However, I do think it will be great if it’s designed to be shorter) and allows character costume for paper Mario. I think maybe they should bring back the hammer scrap but cap it at about 5 upgrades or so per chapter.

[@echo3vx]

Grow up with cake without icing, and you expect cake to taste great without needing anything else....but the icing exists.

[@mineralwassser]

I fucking hate icing

[@immortalfrieza]

I consider the original, TTYD, and SPM to be like a master chef baking you an excellent huge multi-layer cake the first 3 times. Then Sticker Star is the same guy coming around next time and plopping this single layer monstrosity that is rock hard, has no frosting or other decoration, and expecting you to act like it's the previous 3 cakes. Then when we complain, the same guy gives Color Splash, the same exact cake as the last one but puts a strawberry (that you don't even like) on the cake and acts like that brings it up to the same level as the first 3 cakes. Then when we still complain, he Origami Kings it and puts 2 strawberries on the sixth cake and still expects that to bring the cake up to the level of the first 3 cakes. I may have carried the metaphor a bit far there...

[@astralbirthvoid2551]

Bro solved paper mario

[@jasonaustin7564]

I was 8, and bought my first Mario game with my own birthday money and it was paper Mario ttyd. Didn’t know at that time that I was about to play a game that would change me. I don’t hate other people for liking new paper Mario games, but it really felt like the paper Mario I knew and wanted more of was dead. I’m sorry for new fans, but I really hope the old style comes back and stays for at least a few games.

[@PokeRSD433]

Bro WTFrick this video is the best description of the Paper Mario War I’ve ever seen 😭😭😭 (I LOVE ALL OF 64, TTYD, SPM, AND TOK, AND WANT TO PLAY SS AND CS)

[@Raziel_72]

Super paper mario is the paper mario game i grew up with, and it is still one of my favourite games. Amazing story, music, characters. And super nostalgic. I hope theyll remake it sometime in the future

[@Talxic]

you should talk about super paper mario it's my favorite paper mario, i hope it gets more recognition.

[@balsinoormeggidx9397]

mine too, is a poem

[@thedraftingax5963]

Same!

[@shyguyfilms]

13:20 finally someone acknowledges the banger of a soundrack Color Splash has

[@kramkrum3672]

I think if they develop a SMRPG2, they should lump in TTYD's design philosophies. I think combining the best aspects of both of those games can produce something really good. (Bonus points if characters like Geno and Vivian make return cameos. Imagine TTYD characters in 3D.)

[@theothenintendomaster3717]

I and many many others would love to see Pm characters in 3d and some like Goomboss, whackas, the Star Spirits are already in 3D, Goombella, Koops and most of the Pm64 partners will not be that hard to implement in 3D however Vivian, Bobbery and Watt are more stilized, so it,s hard to make them look good in 3D, trust me a lot of Fan renders and models of Vivian look really weird and Geno already looks awesome in 3D.

[@rileyallen489]

I hope the remake is a sign that things are returning to form. I've played every paper mario game except color splash, and my favorite is still TTYD. I know it's not nostalgia talking because I just finished replaying it last week. Origami King is good, but as I was playing it, I just wanted to be playing ttyd.

[@warmute4886]

the first 3 PM games you can tell they put thought into each character, NPC or otherwise, they aren't just another toad with bland dialogue very few of the Recent PM characters really have any depth

[@Ilovecats72836]

My personal favorite in the series is the Origami King. Not only is it a gorgeous game, but the story is well written and the music is absolutely amazing. I'm also pretty hype for the TTYD remake!

[@Anonymous-xt3yx]

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door getting a remake for the Switch is kind of bittersweet for me. I’m glad I can play this game on the Switch, and with revamped graphics, no less, but this game is also one of the only games I wanted to play on the GameCube. Also, I JUST got Paper Mario: The Origami King. And even though I love it, I can’t imagine why I, or ANYONE, for that matter, should play it ever again when we can play The Thousand-Year Door on the Switch instead. I feel so stupid for buying The Origami King now.

[@Zilla17707]

@@Anonymous-xt3yxwhy would you feel stupid it’s easily the second best paper Mario game after ttyd and probably close to having the best story in a paper Mario game

[@platinum-or3y]

@@Zilla17707Super is the second best

[@Level1gyatt2789]

Me too

[@twincherries6698]

Well written?

[@markgill346]

Thank you for such a lovely message. I am really looking forward for TTYD and for what is to come.

[@yetet]

sticker star was my first paper mario, and its music really got me into my hobby of making music and stuff like that, so it definitely holds a place for me

[@cogster6525]

Im the same way. I loved all of the paper Mario games because it gave something deferent to offer. I really want to play TTYD when it comes out because I didn't grew up with it.

[@SAMA-tp8fx]

"That would be a completely fair compromise that would protect the interests of both parties. . . AND THERES NO WAY IM GOING TO AGREE WITH IT!!!" -Oversimplified, "War of the Pig"

[@Level1gyatt2789]

Paper mario fan base be like

[@saltboyanimates]

In my opinion I love all of them except for sticker star, the concept of sticker star isn’t bad but I don’t really like it. The story of super paper Mario was the best. Ttyd had the best gameplay and characters and the story was good, same with 64. Sticker star had the best humor in my opinion. And origami king map was cool.

[@tyler-w7w]

I cant really say much since ive only played sticker star but i had a good experience

[@juicyd5910]

Didn’t even mention color splash

[@bestevil.]

And you have a CS pfp. You really do love all the games huh? Or at least have your fair share of pros for each of them.

[@saltboyanimates]

@@juicyd5910 @bestevil1 I do like color splash It was good

[@saltboyanimates]

@@bestevil. a lot of them are good but some are way better than others

[@Charaster]

i'd like to think that super paper mario fans are just kinda there watching the chaos while having best of both worlds

[@T_the_Smeargle]

I had no idea that this was a war, glad to see you’re not on either side! I grew up with Sticker Star, and agree it’s bad… but I love all of the games, even the ones I never played. Because I appreciate how each one is it’s own gem!!!

[@therealjaystone2344]

Where were you in 2012 when the fanbase was at war with each other. Fire Emblem and Xenoblade fans had their experiences too in 2013 and 2017.

[@T_the_Smeargle]

@@therealjaystone2344 not sentient yet, that’s what happened back then… no 9/10 year old would be really aware at that time.

[@T_the_Smeargle]

That’s for 2012 specifically, I’ve never heard of the other two games back then and I guess I’ve never been truly fond of realistic violence.

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@T_the_Smeargle guess what? Still going on today except for paper mario now

[@T_the_Smeargle]

@@therealjaystone2344 since I most likely won’t live long enough to see all of this violence end, here’s some foresight for a future so distant that all of us will be long-forgotten entities: The 5th world war will be the end of humanity and anything afterwards is just the entire planet’s final extinction. A note to whoever finds this message by that time; DON’T DO ANYTHING TO ANTARCTICA, IF YOU DO IT WILL MELT AND FLOOD THE PLANET SO MUCH THAT NOT EVEN BEING IN THE AIR WILL SAVE ANYTHING!!!

[@dragovidd]

I want a Super Paper Mario RPG Edit: Nevermind. You're right

[@randallwalter7589]

I love that SPM is getting it's own vid, and it got acknowledged here. I have only played that one, and I love it to pieces. I've seen a let's play of TTYD a long time ago, but haven't played it, and seeing how good folks like Arlo were heavily disappointed in Color Splash and Origami King, I just decided I didn't want to shell out the money for them if I wasn't sure I'd like them. I really liked this video! Very positive, and showing love to both ends of the aisle. Really loved this vid. You've got a like and subscribe from me, and I'm excited for your Super Paper Mario video!

[@midnighter4594]

I've always liked the super mario RPGs, whether it's Paper mario, Rabbids, or even those games like Super Saga. They'll always hold a special place in my heart for their comedy, gameplay, and lore.

[@nintendoboy3605]

This is why I wish Sticker Star never happened.

[@ThePonderer]

TTYD is number one for me, but I also adored Origami King.

[@superstar64]

The thing is, as someone who easily prefers the old games, I don't understand why anyone would attack someone for liking something. There's nothing wrong with being critical of what the game presents to us, whether you're talking about the old or new games, but let people enjoy what they like and allow them to criticize what they don't.

[@danielcassell1137]

Tbh, I immediately think of 1 of the scenes from Phineas and Ferb. The scene in question is from the speckies v finkies episode. The 2 groups fighting are the 64 and TTYD side and the new trilogy side. The SPM fans are Candace dressed as Ducky Momo just walking by.

[@StevieJ3698]

My first Paper Mario game was Super Paper Mario and will always be my favourite of the 6 games. But I was never a big fan of RPGs as a kid, but this series (and the Mario & Luigi series) has made me like them more.

[@TheRedGuy9]

I am a first two Paper Mario game enjoyer. I was a little disappointed when SPM changed from an RPG but it was still a great game. The games after that didnt look like they were worth playing. The first two games had an extremely in-depth story and great game mechanics and of course, badges and partners which made the game more replayable with openness to multiple strategies. The games after that jumbled all those things without having all at once. (Expect badges and partners of course) I am hoping modern Paper Mario players will understand our frustration with the new games and give the TTYD remake a try. They will see why we have been so HEAVILY DISAPPOINTED with the later titles (Again, SPM was still good and the story was bomb, but still left much to be desired)

[@ZatralTMF]

I don't imagine this will be the case because the modern paper Mario has a distinct gameplay in a very different way than the originals. If they enjoy current paper Mario they will probably have the same opinion as classic PM fans of "it just doesn't feel like a paper Mario game"

[@D4Nesquickster]

Super Paper Mario not having a battle system is not that bad and it just makes a bit more challenging

[@immortalfrieza]

@@D4Nesquickster SPM was an action RPG that harkened back to classic Mario Platforming. It was just as good as what the previous two games had and miles better than anything the next 3 games had.

[@D4Nesquickster]

@@immortalfrieza true

[@zackwoods5077]

The newer fans will see why the vast majority of die hard fans find the Thousand Year Door to be the best entry in the series, or at least see what great elements Sticker Star took away from the newer games. * An amazing storyline * Leveling up from random battles. * Unique characters * Partners to add variety * A connected world * The badge system is far superior to cards/stickers Super took the last three away, but that game was a spin off, so I don't count it. Edit: Origami King brought back a great storyline, a connected world, and the combat system itself was a suitable replacement for the traditional turn based RPG system in the first two games, but a leveling system would've made normal encounters not feel like a waste of time.

[@prosylan6368]

The only thing I hope is it won't end with them ending up being unreasonable too

[@zackwoods5077]

@@prosylan6368 The only argument I see is Origami King being better, and even then only because of tastes most times. Color Splash was Sticker Star 2.0, but at least it had solid humor and an attempt at a good story.

[@goldenyoshistar1]

I liked Origami King's combat system. Having to solve the rings to defeat the enemies was alot of fun. It made you think. You did have the lazy way of spending your coins to solve the puzzle for you, but I actually never did that. I attempted to solve the puzzle in the time I had, and sometimes those puzzles were tricky to solve. Many of the bosses used the Battle Rings in creative ways that made you think on how to succeed in the battles.

[@prosylan6368]

@@goldenyoshistar1I love this battle system too even more so than ttyd's

[@thefancydoge8668]

Super kinda had partners, they did help you on your adventure to get past certain obstacles, its just a shame from sticker star onwards we have no real partners.

[@yamammiwammi]

all the good qualities mentioned in this video about the new paper marios (the sets, the music, the humorous dialogue, etc.) are all separate from what makes the newer games crap. it's like watching the series improve in one direction but stale in the other. you can still have the good qualities of the newer games with the tried and true aspects of "old" paper mario (the battling, the characters, etc), which is what most die hard fans are advocating for and want.

[@immortalfrieza]

It's not even a plus anyway because all of those good qualities that the new paper marios have... were for the most part in the old paper marios too. The graphics weren't quite as good but that's about it for the good things that the first 3 Paper Marios didn't have which the next 3 did have, and really it's not by much.

[@yamammiwammi]

@@immortalfrieza exactly. to me, it wasn't a fair comparison seeing as the games aren't split in this way. what makes the newer games good are qualities that were technologically limited in the first series, and what those games did to beef up their value, like a good story, engaging characters, etc. were left to wane in the newer ones. i really hope nintendo considers delivering a paper mario 3 in the traditional sense, now that RPG games continue to boom since TTYD and the graphical power is there to support it.

[@Prs722]

I absolutely hated Sticker Star. I played the game but could never beat the final boss because of the "things." You need a very specific set of "things" to beat the final boss and I hadn't memorized the location of them as I just saw them as gimmicky power attacks. I ended up trading the game for a Monster Hunter game which while being one of the worst in the series, was miles better than Sticker Star. You said a lot good things about Color Splash and Origami King in this video but you didn't have much good to say about Sticker Star. Is it wrong to have lost faith in the series after Sticker Star was such an abomination?

[@benedumC]

I loved the first 2, sticker star was only one I couldn’t beat. Really what Origami King was missing was true partners, a leveling system, and unique characters. The battle system in theory was fine, and I’m okay with experimenting, but we need partners and a reason to battle.

[@PWPictures67]

12:16: Alright, I'm waiting. I'll wait on that video and I'll probably enjoy it and leave a like, as always. 🙂

[@lolikumadesbear1999]

I am so looking forward to the remake. I love the story and characters, collecting Badges, even the cooking feature was awesome af. I love collecting in games anyway and TTYD had so much collectibles...I am soooo hyped

[@Level1gyatt2789]

I agree with you when you said fun characters. Like they aren't super out of this world they're just fun to have around and hang out with. Like just seeing a toad or any other character in that game can put a smile on your face

[@kinjr04]

Old Paper Mario I feel like is genuinely better, but I won’t diss anyone who likes the newer ones EXCEPT STICKER STAR, that game is actually the worst of the paper Mario games imo Color splash is just sticker star if it was done better and Origami King I think tries its best to be really good but falls short but is still enjoyable in its own way, otherwise, it’s 4# on my list of good paper Mario games

[@MelDv_Yt]

I love that you use the spm “chapter opening” theme

[@marcelopaulo446]

I love origami king,but people defending sticker status?EXCUSE ME!?

[@FluppietheRockruffFan]

One thing TTYD fans over look is that the progression in that game...sucks compared to the rest of the series, "Oh you need an important item somewhere far away and need to get there quickly? WELL TOO BAD NOW WALK ALL THE WAY THEIR NO FAST TRAVEL FOR YOU." And you could argue that the same would be said for games like the Modern Trilogy, but the visuals and more open maps made them more bearable to travel until you unlocked those fast travel pipes, and even when you do unlock fast travel in TTYD it only gets slightly bearable because the paths to certain areas are LONG. I'm hoping for the remake to add more fast travel options so new players can probably be able to enjoy this game enough to finish it, cause back then players actually had enough time to play hours of a game, nowadays tho new players need something good to keep them interested while exploring or else it might become boring to explore around and finish the game.

[@twincherries6698]

I agree a lot of ttyd fans like to ignore that but the broader point easily remains that the games strengths outshine the strength of really any other game and the newer ones never even came close

[@Mario_Fan000]

i did grow up with the newer ones, but i would wanna see the paper mario games from the past.

[@jasonscott4749]

I really hope nintendo makes a super Mario warriors game where we can fight all of the old and new enemies and bosses in Mario’s past.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Mushroom kingdom warriors, you mean?

[@ian01gd10]

Super paper Mario is my favorite

[@Smabverse]

SPM my no. 1 game all time 💪😎

[@laurencunningham9654]

I used to be on the side of modern paper Mario games but when I spent over $100 on thousand year door it hit me it was truly the best paper Mario game and the nuclear Mario games pale in comparison

[@ABulbmin]

i wonder how u feel spending over 100 for the game and now its being remaked for the switch

[@laurencunningham9654]

I still don’t regret it it’s that good

[@ABulbmin]

@@laurencunningham9654 ye but now it's gonna be cheaper, prettier and even more mechanics like tattle check

[@ZatralTMF]

I think if anything the classic ttyd will go up in price, the aesthetic is different enough in the modern version (looks more like cardboard or 3d than paper) to me

[@KevinSecondWind]

​@@ABulbminI mean wdym. You can frame that GameCube disc, that thing is a classic... I've still got mine lol. I don't even have a working game cube or Wii anymore lol

[@juanmeza5646]

I love this video and I love all paper Mario games, some ofc more than others for my different reasons alone, but let's face it. The war will never end cause as humans, some of us generally don't care and will still fight for the sake of fighting, even if it's literally just a video game series that doesn't even harm people like idk....real life problems do? Your video will no doubt open some people's eyes but in the end this war will never end. All I'm saying to anyone who reads this. If you find a "highly toxic fan" it's best to ignore them even if they support the same side you're on. It's ok to defend a game.....but threatening people, calling them names, dissing a game when you know the people who like them are there over and over? No. There's a line that makes you a loveable fan, or a hated fan.

[@Videoguy612]

That's the mario kart community in a nutshell

[@TheGreatPM1]

Honestly Paper Mario The Origami King is one of the best games that i've played as it's a perfect pix of both the old and new aspects of the Paper Mario games.

[@fawfulthegreat64]

I was about to give a great big THANK YOU for including SPM on the left side in the thumbnail... but then the video didn't really talk about it that way. SPM is 100% part of classic Paper Mario in my book. Even with different gameplay, its heart is consistent enough with the earlier games to feel like the final game in the classic trilogy (and yes I consider it a trilogy). It's the last game to have most recurring enemies original to the series, before it was sanitized to only mainline enemies. The story and character debate is definitely the one I have the most stakes in, even though I think PM and TTYD have the best gameplay in the series, I would not mind the gameplay of later games, even Sticker Star, if the story and characters were approached the same way they were in the first three. All the way down to having a version of the Merlon clan, heavy organic lore, callbacks to earlier titles (as liberal as those in Fort Francis), and a plot that's about something organic like the Chaos Heart or the Star Spirits rather than something paper-related that distances Paper Mario's continuity from other Mario games as some kind of alternate dimension (like Paper Jam tries to gaslight us into thinking the series always was). Considering 99% of this was still fully intact in SPM, it'll always be a trilogy to me. Until we finally get a fourth game that picks up where SPM left off in terms of the old style of characters & story. TOK is the only modern PM game I think is good, and it's mainly despite the restrictions (and the fact that they resisted them harder this time, but still not enough). But still, I feel like starting with Sticker Star, new games have at best been good in their own right, not because they felt like a Paper Mario game (to me you NEED the unrestricted characters and organic story to do that) There's too many inconsistencies with older games to feel like the modern trilogy could fit into the same continuity as the classic one. If the classic one could continue I'd be much more receptive of the modern one continuing alongside it. But to me they're two different series.

[@dinoonyx]

i want the next paper mario to be origami king with ttyd aspects cause those are my two favorite paper mario games if not just some of my favorite games in general like have origami king with ttyd partners and it would be great

[@ZachHi-rs3lt]

Super Paper Mario is best. Don't argue with me. You know it's true.

[@macchiatoceo]

0:27 this meme is so perfect and really says it all lmao

[@BaHTRieD]

I'm so excited about the remake. A big part of my childhood is finally coming back. And then in the most beautiful way. And yes, of course nostalgia also plays a role. But even from a neutral point of view, this game is absolutely amazing. Go for it. The game should appeal to every Paper Mario fan.

[@Parakarry077]

Thanks man. Although I love the first 3 games the most and hated sticker star kinda liked color splash and enjoyed origami I think people should respect others opinions

[@alexleo-wolf4339]

Super paper mario is my favorite.

[@twincherries6698]

The majority of people who """prefer""" the new games simply havent played the first 2

[@SpiritOfGotham]

I haven't played Color Splash or Origami King, so I can't say anything about how good or bad they are. The thing is while I have heard praise for Origami King, the gameplay itself with those ring battles does not appeal to me at all, and I'm very much not a fan of all the generic toad NPCs and paper jokes. Sticker Star though, I got through the first three worlds before I dropped it and never looked back. I just don't see any redeeming qualities in that game. I believe in voting with my wallet, so TTYD remake will be the first Paper Mario game I buy since Sticker Star. I'm obviously more in favor of one side of this "war" than the other, but attacking fans of the new games won't help anything and is just stupid.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

I can’t understand how anyone can defend Sticker Star. No story, lazy copy/paste characters, every attack is a limited resource, bosses REQUIRE you to use Things and you never really get hints about which one you need prior to the fights, stickers are required to make progress and again, it’s not always clear which stickers do what or where to use them (Thing Stickers seriously needed a description to tell you exactly what they do), and basic progression is literally HIDDEN FROM YOU. Jump into a specific sand pit that would usually kill you instantly to find a key to open a boss fight, hit a hidden block so you can reach and jump across a flower before it can hurt you. And if Things are so important to solving puzzles and fighting bosses, WHY do they take up so much space in the sticker album?! Just give them their own separate one! Fans of that game have the nerve to call US nostalgia blind?! Does Thousand Year Door hide basic progression? Does every attack go away after one use? Do puzzles have to be solved with items that go away if you use them at the wrong time? Do bosses force you to use one specific attack to win?! Are normal enemies pointless to fight?! I wish I could be neutral here, but the best I can do is say I think Origami King is a decent game. Sticker Star is just way, way too terrible for anyone with any knowledge of good game design to defend. Color Splash at least had a decent storyline and unique locations.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

To clarify, I don’t mind if you like Color Splash or Origami King, I just hate it when people tell me or others that 64 and TTYD are overrated, or that we’re wrong to love them or that Nintendo was wrong to remake TTYD. If you don’t like TTYD, fine, but don’t try to ruin the excitement and joy of those who DO, and don’t try to force people to like the modern trilogy.

[@TicTacToeCraft]

Don't forget: Fleeing is the most OP ability in every common enemy battle in Sticker Star, as the enemy will despawn right after you successfully escaped a battle (without dropping coins you have an abundance of anyway). And Kersti calls you out for beating a boss without using the right "Thing".

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

You can blame the repetitive characters on Nintendo... they claimed that they didn't want any new characters based on existing ones

[@biondigiacomo7176]

​@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoobyet Miyamoto himself found sticker star boring

[@TicTacToeCraft]

@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob Intelligent Systems didn't even try to create completely new characters for SS and CS. The only ones were your sidekicks, that's all.

[@Cliffordlonghead]

To be honest I'm on both side because i love both classic and modern paper mario. Except sticker star

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

I can definitely respect that opinion.

[@cameronspencer9619]

Yeeeeaaah, Sticker Star definitely suffered from an identity crisis. 😅

[@kathygriffin306]

Never played 1000 year door looking forward to playing it thanks appreciate your comments

[@toamatoro570]

Fortunately the TTYD remake is going to shed some light on why we feel how we feel. The new fans not understanding is kinda understandable seeing how hard it is to get ahold of a copy of TTYD these days. They don't understand how good it was because Nintendo for awhile didn’t want them to know it existed.

[@Gamer1288]

Anyone who prefers the New Trilogy over the Old either has never played the OG Trilogy, Are Trolls looking to cause Chaos, or just don't realize how Frustrating Origami King's Battle System is and how Broken Both Sticker Star and Color Splash are. I mean 'Broken' as it the Bad Way, NOT the FUN Way.

[@Level1gyatt2789]

I never played the OG three

[@toasttoast7487]

HOW can someone disagree with me?!?!

[@Level1gyatt2789]

@@toasttoast7487 ummmmmmmmm

[@ramarriblevinsjones5709]

Again, it's your opinion. I played all games besides Color Splash and I still find Origami King to be my favorite. It just has a feel to me that's different from the other games.

[@MHBaba10]

I respect your opinion on the new paper mario games and I harbor no ill will towards anyone that enjoys them, but i just cant agree that Sticker Star and Color Splash are good or enjoyable. Though I agree that origami king is definitely the best of modern paper mario and the soundtrack is incredible.

[@prosylan6368]

I wish more people were like this hating the games are fine but at least be respectful to people who do enjoy them hating on them doesn't benefit them in any way

[@Shplinkinshploinkin]

I think one of the major problems is that we have limited lifespans, its been about 20 years since ttyd released, and if a game company wants to completely change what a game is, they should name it something else, do they have to? No they can do what they want… but should they?.. yea, anything else is a slap in the face to their lifelong supporters. For instance they could have called the new “Zelda’s” links climbing adventure and it would sting less:P. ( or even.. The tedium of link)😂

[@joshmartin9442]

I’ve never played any of the paper Mario games but I’m going to pick about TTYD when it comes out cause it looks cool

[@HRR-]

Thank you for this kindhearted PSA on respecting other people’s opinions. I’m sure I’ll love Thousand Year Door alot when I finally get the chance to play it next year, but I was able to find things to enjoy about each of the other five in my childhood and in my young adulthood. Let’s keep striving for mutual respect for all kinds of fans!

[@wesley5666]

I love every paper Mario they all made me happy and angry with some parts but it's great that it even exists still

[@daniellelondon439]

As someone who has only to this day played The Thousand Year Door, I was very excited to see Origami King release. It just meant we were getting more Paper Mario, in whatever form it would be. I never ended up playing it, but watching someone else go through the game online, it looked like a lot of fun.

[@rudis9928]

I don’t want peace, I want problems always

[@robertbrown9151]

Meanwhile old school fans are like “get this to S.S.D.S Leader Emilie”

[@astralbirthvoid2551]

This man solved paper mario racism

[@iHaveKlepple]

On behalf of all Americans, thank you for your service in the Paper Mario War!

[@lkjkhfggd]

I agree that Origami King is a fantastic game, and I loved it just as much as thousand year door and PM64. I thought SPM was a solid game, haven't played Color Splash. When I think back on Sticker Star, it was far more forgettable, but the moment to moment gameplay was still fun, as I still went through the entire thing and finished it. I remember being frustrated by certain areas requiring some specific thing to progress, and that thing could be literally anywhere in the world, putting you in an Easter Egg hunt. But looking back, thousand year door also had moments of unenjoyment (twilight forest in particular comes to mind). At least the Sticker Star problem was easily solvable by looking up the answer online. If they make a new PM game in the style of thousand year door, or they make a new one with all new experimental mechanics (which has been the trend since SPM), I will buy it either way. But sorry, I'm not going to be buying the thousand year door remake when I can play the original right now on my Wii. I hate it when companys threaten the consumer with "buy the remake or we won't make anymore new games!" *looking at monkey ball*. If you're not going to put a significant amount of new content in the game for me to experience as a returning player, I'm not going to bother.

[@prosylan6368]

that is honestly a good mindset to have

[@oesr350]

The thing is that if you do not like a game do not try to ruin the fun to others, so are the fans of the first two Paper Mario especially TTYD.

[@gtcproductions4097]

I’m kind of in the same boat. I really liked Origami King and I’m really looking forward to TTYD!

[@TomWDW1]

Nin10doLand makes a 15 minute video about why we shouldn't be toxic crybabies fighting over which style deserves to live ... People in the comments come here to be toxic crybabies fighting over which style deserves to win, lol. Classic.

[@lordpistonia]

Instead of toxic gatekeeping be happy having others enjoying the same fandom

[@Narteketh]

Ok im sorry but sticker star is just objectivly worse than 64 and ttyd. Name one aspect of sticker star that is better than anything from ttyd

[@InklingBOIIIIII]

@@Narteketh difficulty because with the stickers you technically need them without them your basically useless with ttyd if you use a lot of power rush badges it makes every battle even bonetail a walk in the park

[@avocadeous]

@@Nartekethmusic? Sticker star, despite all of its…uhh…issues… had an absolute banger of a soundtrack. Much better than the first three imho. Shame such a good OST is tethered to sticker star

[@D1stop1an]

​@@NartekethDeltarune pfp

[@prosylan6368]

​@nartek983 they're not saying you have to like sticker star they're saying don't hate people who do enjoy it

[@PWPictures67]

I only ever played Super Paper Mario for the Wii, I didn't have a GameCube or an N64, and the others were too expensive and probably are still too expensive now. But I've seen playthroughs/walkthroughs of the rest of the games, so I've seen them at least. I guess that I'm in the middle then, having only played the third game in the series.

[@ceebs7263]

As someone who grew up with the new games, I don't understand how someone could possibly see this remake as a bad thing. How can you argue against more creativity, more interesting characters, and a battle system that... actually works? This isn't to say that I don't still love the new games, because I do, but after playing the original Paper Mario for the first time last year it's so easy to see why so many people prefer that style. It makes me wonder if TTYD fans are the ones who are blinded by nostalgia... Can't wait to experience the game for the first time when the remake comes out.

[@gmanthewinner]

Ah yes, the two sides. People who like 64 and TTYD and people who are objectively wrong

[@That1GuyWhoComments]

Super paper mario is superb in every way. There. war over.

[@brandonfazbear4219]

Honestly, I always loved and grew up with most new Paper Mario games. I never got to experience playing the original 2 games but from what I seen, they look like amazing games. The only issue I ever had was when I'd hear constant hate and bashing on the new games like Color Splash as everyone kept bringing up the original 2 games like they had to be exactly like the originals without being open to accepting changes as from what I would see and hear. Yes the games are vastly different and the characters and locations are more diverse in the older games, but growing up, I just enjoyed being able to play in a fun colorful world of Mario with fun visuals and characters. Color Splash may not have the most unique characters, but what they did do was try to still make many stand out like the various costumes and themed toads and even some personality to the enemies too which I honestly enjoyed. The humor was peak as usual and so on. I honestly see games with a bit more of an open mind and don't always try to cling onto other games trying to say that it should've been like another. Though there are cases where it may happen like Sonic Forces where it definitely was nowhere near the best game, but definitely tried some things and had concepts that I personally liked that I felt could've been improved upon. I just feel that it's silly to see everyone try to bash on the newer games because they aren't like the original games and only for that reason. They try to see no positives on them and only see the originals and compare every little detail that isn't the same which is what really upset me back then.

[@TomWDW1]

I feel like an outlier here. I'm an "older" gamer, have played all the games and ... gotta say, Origami King is my favorite. The story is good, the boss battles are awesome, the aesthetic is flawless, and the music is the best of the series. Not knocking TTYD, but anyone who says it's the be all end all of Paper Mario is really missing out on some great games

[@Jesus-hu4lq]

Thousand year door and new trilogy fans fighting 64 and super in the sidelines eating popcorn Jokes aside if you liked the classic or modern thats great just expect toxic fans from one side or the other and just ignore them and don't be afraid to try out either trilogies to get your own experiences and opinions on the games

[@katieee_llyn]

See for me, I found origami kings gameplay to be extremely frustrating and just kind of a chore to do. I eventually just put the game down and never touched it since

[@pauljohnston4633]

I do not mind the stickers or cards, but office supplies? I'm not expecting something crazy, but office supplies? Watch out! Bowser has the powerful paper sock. He will use a nasty oder attack. You can defend using roses and detergent.

[@blazera]

new players like new paper mario games because they never got rid of ALL the good things about the series, so there's still things to like, they're just missing other good things, like flavorful character designs and progression systems

[@Prs722]

I agree. Modern Paper Mario is a shell of its former self. The difference is like having a pet turtle in a tank and having an empty turtle shell in a tank. At a glance the shell is very much like the turtle, but if you take the time to look in detail you will see the turtle moving around and doing things whereas the shell does absolutely nothing. A turtle shell can be a cool decoration in your house, but an actual living and breathing turtle that does something aside from sitting on your shelf is much cooler. Maybe the living turtle has some personality like he tires bite everyone except for you, or something like that that adds character. That is my analogy of the differences between old and new Paper Mario.

[@D4Nesquickster]

@@Prs722and they got rid of Mario’s voice when he jumps but that’s probably because Mario doesn’t need to usually talk in Mario games

[@Driggsdamonstah]

Ever since I played TTYD as a teen, I was hooked with the series. (It was only my third game too.) Not only has it shaped my passion for philosophy and of course game design, it has also inspired me to research the franchise and actually make new experiences. With that, outside of Sticker Star, which isn’t even the worst thing ever like a lot of people say, and Super Paper Mario which has things on the complete opposite sides of the quality spectrum. (Probably why it’s as divisive as its franchise.) I continue to enjoy every game. And of course I do challenge runs of the games themselves. People really need to be more open-minded tbh…

[@pho3144]

As an OG paper mario fan, theres still alot to love with the series. While I dont like Sticker Star and wasnt crazy about SPM, Paper Mario 64 is my favorite game ever, TTYD is great, I loved Color Splash, and loved Origami King except for the combat.

[@Kirbyiscooll]

That chapter 5 speech was the best speech I have ever heard 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👍👍 I hope everyone can resolve this if you know what I mean😅 and I hope the Paper Mario series gets better and better with every installment❤❤

[@Cyder2003]

As someone who loves Super paper mario and is just in the middle of all this battling I say, I don't care. i just want a new Super Paper Mario

[@yassinashraf1235]

New Super paper Mario *bros*

[@Lost_Man_2023-YTKP]

@@yassinashraf1235No. NO. *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!*

[@yassinashraf1235]

@@Lost_Man_2023-YTKP sorry, I didn't notice the mistake , but what was your reply about the mistake or the game title I come up with?

[@Lost_Man_2023-YTKP]

@@yassinashraf1235 Nah, I just make the joke about the New Super Mario Bros series being bad. (Except the ds one, that’s my favorite.)

[@yassinashraf1235]

@@Lost_Man_2023-YTKP ok 😂😂😂😂😂

[@geminiman5580]

Super Paper Mario is the perfect balance in my opinion

[@bk7064]

Strange because that's the most different game of the series when compared to the others.

[@ImmortalAbsol]

I feel like since Sticker Star it's slowly been returning to how it used to be. Maybe if you're knew and already know you're going to commit to playing all of them you could start with Sticker Star play them in order until you wrap around to Paper Mario NSO and Thousand Year Door, meaning there should be a rise in quality every time (except visually with Paper Mario NSO) and then you can enjoy the Sticker Star trilogy for what they are and not miss the features from the other games because you haven't encountered them yet.

[@matthewjohnson6852]

Smart

[@turtlefalcon5546]

Honestly, I think both sides of the series have their own advantages and that the best paper Mario game would be a sort of mix between the two.