Nintendo & Pokemon Are Furious About Palworld Actually...

[@spyrofrost9158]

Big Corporation mad that small company makes a way better rendition of their old idea.

[@lilisaur]

Big corporation mad that small company made what is apparently the exact the same rendition of their old idea. There's a difference. Better would be fine. Same is not.

[@kage9719]

@@lilisaur nah, nintendo WISHES it was this creative/innovative, but their games have just gotten more stale and boring with time

[@lilisaur]

@@kage9719 Tell that to the 20 million who buy Pokemon games every year, including remakes. If not just the new games, but remakes were stale, they wouldn't sell like this.

[@circledude2362]

look. Patents last 20 years. but if the invention is around for 20 years without being patented, it becomes public domain. Pokemon came out in 1996. but this patent was filed in 2021. That's 25 years meaning pokemon filed this patent was filed 5 years too late. thus, the parent patent is invallid. Also, Pocketpair made Craftopia and released it in 2020. and it uses that mechanics Palworld uses before Palworld was even released.

[@Aspiepilled]

I do find it funny that palworld is insinuating that nintendo is harming indie companies when nintendo has helped so many indie games succeed with indie worlds and allowing their ip to be in indie games

[@ItApproaches]

They are pulling the victim card. You can't make a game that is so similar to a Nintendo game and expect Nintendo to not be upset about it.

[@michaellane5381]

In fairness both are likely true. Nintendo operates the way they do because they have been burned and remember the industry back to the days of Atari. They are thus extremely litigious, which does scare indie devs, that said you are correct, the concept of Palworld itself is a crazy rocky road on the edge of the most economically successful IP mountain that is Pokemon. Doing nothing would be like if Elon saw some number of Twitter devs create a better X and do nothing to stop them before every former X advertiser switched platforms Even if they did nothing wrong legally, Elon would be finished with Twitter if all his advertisers he literally insulted to keep there had other, better options.

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

​@@ItApproachesTemtem/Coromon/Nexomon

[@FireRED-c8u]

​@@dsshocktrooper7523they are not that bad compared to palworld also the fact that plaworld is called Pokemon with guns ruined Pokemon's image. Parents are not gonna buy a game with violence, they don't even know what is the difference between Pokemon and plaworld.

[@TheNerdyMemeDude]

If Nintendo could sue Palworld, they could have sued Genshin.

[@neonswift]

I don't agree with Nintendo using patents, but Its doubtful any patents or copyright was actually infringed upon with Genshin. the gameplay is nothing like any of their games. the fact its an open world with an art style reminiscent of Breath of the World would mean numerous games at this point would have infringed Nintendo's patents/copyright by now. Nintendo didn't invent open worlds nor did they invent the BotW art style.

[@No-One-Important-Here]

Here is the issue: there may be a “way’ to throw a ball but there are a million ways to program how to throw that ball. That’s the difference. 😊

[@No-One-Important-Here]

Google patented their search algorithm. It is their most confidential piece of information. I am sure they will sue anyone who copies it…that is if it ever got leaked, which I doubt.

[@ItApproaches]

Capturing animals or creatures in a thrown ball is Pokemon. Plain and simple.

[@EarnestGamer]

And why does it have to be a "sphere"? And why do you have to throw it? 😂

[@ItApproaches]

@@EarnestGamer Yup.

[@KittysCat-j7x]

Patent law is extremely complicated. I advise people to not jump to conclusions and become tribal here. Nintendo is a greeey corporation (they’re all greedy), so it’s easy to paint them as the villains here based on preexisting narratives. When companies sue each other, the consumer rarely wins. The lawyers and the winning corporation win. But greedy corporations everywhere will deploy their lawyers to protect their intellectual property when they deem it in their interest to do so. I’m going to be patient here and watch what happens. If I wanted to have a strong opinion, I would be obliged to research Japanese patent law, the exact patents in question, the arguments on both sides and the existing precedent. I am way too lazy to do that

[@Feliciathedoll]

Then do your research on japanese law and don't be lazy about it!

[@PixelPikmin]

I’ve said this in many comment sections and I’ll say it again, if there’s actually some patent they wrongfully used, Nintendo should sue. The games are extremely different, yes, but if they actually did steal something from Nintendo then they should be punished. I’m just hoping this lawsuit doesn’t spawn another cesspool of Pokemon vs Palworld with fans on both sides being toxic

[@DDKoD]

You must be lucky enough to not have twitter cause it already started

[@xenogearsx9372]

Let's get ready to nintendo 😎

[@zeta2209]

Game mechanics should not be patentable period. Like all software patents filed by large tech companies, they are filed intentionally vague to increase the amount of control they can have over similar designs. It also creates a cooling effect that discourages competitors from attempting anything similar for fear of being sued, thus stifling innovation. It is a blatant misuse of a patent system that has failed to keep up with trends in tech. Nintendo (as well as other Japanese developers) have thousands of patents regarding game mechanics. There is no doubt that almost all of them have been wrongfully used at some point. The only reason Nintendo doesn’t pursue all wrongdoings is that it would be mutually assured destruction for all involved, even though IP laws tend to state that active enforcement is necessary to keep control of IPs being infringed upon. This isn’t a kindness from Nintendo not suing other Japanese developers, it’s a selective attack on genuine competitors built upon years of patent bs, one that they will unfortunately win given their sheer influence and size.

[@neonswift]

Patents are a scummy practise. I don't care which company is going up against Nintendo. WB, Nintendo and Namco all rely on patents and its clearly the waggling of their big d*ck lawyers and money. It does limit innovation, regardless of whether Palworld is infringing or not, but I don't really care about them, I'd be annoyed at Nintendo for any attempt at any company to squash games due a patent.

[@ravenebony2267]

This is the most rational comment I've seen concerning this issue.

[@DDKoD]

Nintendo clearly found something and I don’t by that Pocketpair hasn’t been told what their infringing on. They’re just trying to manipulate people who fed up with Nitendo doing this stuff to their side, playing victum 101

[@KittysCat-j7x]

Pocket pair would have been sent a cease and desist letter before charges were filed. It’s a disingenuous argument but the public discourse actually matters in these types of cases. The public statements on both sides are designed for public consumption

[@DDKoD]

@@KittysCat-j7x Well from what I’ve been told, Japanese court cases are much more handled in private than western so this probably the only info we’re getting until everything is settled which would probably be years from now

[@neonswift]

You notice Nintendo selectively haven't told us what these patents are either. Almost like they don't want the public to know they're strong arming another company with patents that everyone should be able to infringe on because they shouldn't exist in the first place. Its likely those patents have been infringed on countless times but because this specific company made millions it gone after them. They should be suing ALL developers who have make Pocket Monster games but lets see how much good PR they keep doing that.

[@NitwitsWorld]

@@DDKoD Are you talking about the same country that during the Edo Period treated foreigners in their own country like chum buckets? I love Japan too but they committed infamous crimes in its lifetime

[@blackice1994]

Nintendo not going to win Nintendo will make a better Pokemon game have voice actress or actor already. Keep making the game the same way as it is nothing different I like the the style of pal world gameplay is better they only upset because the characters looks better. Even the character is better

[@Cosmosis-86]

I think Nintendo and it’s Lawyers needed to close loopholes in order to take action on patent infringement.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Persona, Tem tem, yokai watch and digimon all sipping tea

[@EarnestGamer]

I don't think this hurts pocket pair that much, I mean if it's just about the catching mechanic, I can think of at least five different ways of catching mons' that could be used to differentiate the gameplay from anything Pokemon, or other "monster collection game", has used in the past. Pocket Pair can use something different, change the game accordingly, and probably make it even more fun.

[@KittysCat-j7x]

The pokemon games were originally based on the monster catching and the monster arena minigame mechanisms in Dragon Quest V. I haven’t read the court filing if it’s even public. I don’t know the details of the plaintiffs’ case.

[@EarnestGamer]

@@KittysCat-j7x there was also SMT, and Robotrek, functionality-wise all games where you capture and battle "things", not limited to "creatures". The thing is, did they have a patent over those game mechanics? And even then, what if they are suing for the use of the "pokemon legends" catch mechanic, in specific. The 3d animation where you fling the ball, hit the target, let it shake and it either escapes or gets caught... Could be another possibility.

[@lilisaur]

@@KittysCat-j7x But Pokemon didn't use the same mechanic as those games. DQ V "capture" mechanic was just random chance at end of battle. DQ Monsters added a scouting gauge. Pokemon was apparently first to use its particular mechanic (selecting pokeball, tossing pokeball and monster, etc.) - or at least first to patent it. Video game companies can copy each other's ideas for "what" and "why", but can't as easily copy "how" (and "who" falls more into copyright law.)

[@birdbig6852]

I believe they will mostly attack on patents from the marketing side on how TPC handles the communication of the Pokémon brand.

[@lilisaur]

If Pocketpair copied game mechanics down to the following specific points covered by the patent, then they've violated the patent. Its hard to say they didn't. 1. Selecting a representation of circular/spherical object from players inventory of circular/spherical objects. 2. Showing reticle or throwing angle indicators on screen to aim, with controls to adjust reticle/aiming position. 3. Having avatar rear back and throw circular/spherical object toward monster in apparent direction of reticle/aiming position. 4. Chance to capture monster if hit. I mean, there's options here to give some wiggle room that Pocketpair elected not do to. For example, they could have used cubes or dodecahedrons or even a genie oil lamp as the capture device and maybe wiggle their way out of patent infringement. But they did exactly the things the patent appears to cover. Almost to the letter. Its awfully ballsy to copy another game's mechanics so specifically and then not check to see if they had a patent on it. This isn't Nintendo being a bully - this is Pocketpair being arrogant and stupid enough to kick to the big guy in the shin and not expect retaliation. Some people have said Pokemon wasn't the first to capture monsters, and bring up games like Dragon Quest V and Dragon Quest Monsters. Neither of these use spheres or reticles to capture the monster, or having avatar rear back to throw something at it. I've heard Shin Megami Tensei has you "capture" by bidding for monsters at an auction. And there's probably several other mechanics in games that have monster collecting that don't follow the same pattern. The patent is clearly not so broad to cover all monster capture gaming mechanics since it doesn't apply to these games - it only covers the mechanics that are identifiable as Pokemon-style mechanics.

[@Underground3]

It issue is that this isn't just only about capturing monster machines, it game mechanics. Which will create a precedent of large companies patenting lawsuits there competitions and regressing game development.

[@lilisaur]

​@@Underground3 So software designers and developers don't have the right to protect their creations by patent? Is that your complaint? If so then I'm sure you also don't feel machinists and engineers should be allowed to patent their creations either. Spend your own money to make a better mousetrap? Too bad, someone else can just take your hard work and you're out of luck. Not going to have many more engineers if we allowed that. Cars, televsions, phones, computers - none of them get better without someone willing to take the chance and spend money to innovate. The patent system here is set up so that if you want to use something someone else made you buy the rights to it (buying the company in question, buying their patent, or paying a license fee.) You must also feel artists, musicians, and authors should not be protected by similar copyright protections. You want to steal someone else's artwork, or music, or stories, go ahead. Before long we won't see too many more artists, musicians, or authors because they won't have any means to make a living off their works. The copyright system here protects their livelihoods by promoting people pay to use, read, view, or listen or their works. If you create something new, you have the right to patent or copyright your protection of that creation. Don't be foolish and be sucked in by these crazy claims that its bad for the software industry to do the same. Its worse for software developers if they have no protection. Without legal protections, there's no incentive for an individual or company to innovate their own product, and no restrictions on someone else just taking it for free rather than spending their own time and effort to innovate something unique. If you want good games, you want to see new gameplay mechanics that you've not seen before. Only if you want the play the same game for the rest of your life do you want game companies giving you the same thing all the others do over and over and over again. If you want to use a game mechanic another company invented, you negotiate with them and pay a licensing fee, or you be responsible and clever enough to develop something new to call your own. If engineering, art, music, and literary industries aren't collapsing under the weight of competing lawsuits, don't jump to the conclusion that either the overall software industry or video game industry in particular are going to collapse because of similar creative ownership protections.

[@Underground3]

@@lilisaur I ain't reading that essay of autistic screeching justifying conglomerates patenting trolling their competitions. No company shouldn't be allow to patenting game mechanics, it that simple. Even game you like was made from ideas from other game developers and innovated from it.

[@uzairkhan7166]

I do agree that Nintendo would have used a patient copyright but I believe that they deserve it since I do believe that Nintendo has wrong no one at least. Not a few times I suppose but I also believe that if it was a misunderstanding. Then the patient copyright should be removed or revoked while they have the chance

[@mk8-mkwil117]

@@uzairkhan7166 exactly even though they sure another company that already took Nintendo patent on a mobile game it’s the same developer behind the game Nintendo teased us a while back who tried making their own pants that was nearly identical to Nintendo. I think Nintendo wants to be honored if they is a patent because used is that’s the problem

[@uzairkhan7166]

@@mk8-mkwil117 yeah. Exactly like. Nintendo is not evil or greedy. They’re just people who really let greed take control over themselves. And plus they want to make enough money to actually stay at their houses so what’s the problem. Plus. They put a bunch of effort into actually making their games look and smell good too

[@10k-Noodles]

I thought Palworld fell off though? What is Nintendo doing?

[@kage9719]

theyre mad that palworld is making the big bucks. they cant have a game that's better than pokemon actually outperform pokemon's sales

[@nullpoint3346]

Indie dev means "independent developer", at no point does that definition include some sort of cutoff for the number of people that one manages to reach. Now, here's the thing. Gamefreak is supported by Nintendo, and PocketPair may be supported by Sony. _That_ is what would make these companies no longer considered indie. Gamefreak is _tiny_ despite making the games of the _most successful IP of all time._ PocketPair is somehow _smaller,_ and experienced a massive increase in wealth from one breakout flash in the pan success.

[@SquareMahogany]

I think it’s downright stupid to not be able to sue them for copyright. Monster catching has been around for a long time, IMO Game Freak, when they made Legends Arceus, was late to the party with that style of gameplay. I don’t want Palworld to be sued for its gameplay- as I fully support indie games. But I find it pathetic and laughable that they don’t realize that their company deliberately STOLE literal elements of a multitude of Pokémon designs and called them original. If it weren’t for that, I’d 1000% be on Palworld’s side. Gameplay is one thing here that makes me go “hmm okay maybe but, really to be sued?” But if it’s for copyright infringement, I’d say “yeah absolutely.” Just my two cents.

[@84bombsjetpack23]

Fun fact: Nintendo let all the 2D Metroid mods and remakes exist but took down a 2D version of Metroid Prime. Maybe because they think that would harm the sales of Metroid Prime 4. 😂

[@shantaehalf-geniehero4318]

They took down AM2R cause they were making their own remake btw

[@EarnestGamer]

Not MP4 sales, but MP Remastered tho...

[@timeeater2007]

That makes sensse then, those game mecanics were fairly new for the pokemon series.

[@SpencerDrummer]

It’s one of the biggest rip offs of someone else’s IP I’ve ever seen. Not taking sides but damn, that’s just not allowed under any circumstances. Crazy they even moved forward with the game design seeing what they were doing.

[@anthonynelson3536]

We should have both

[@SRF_1031]

Dude the pyoro tweet.... rah= 1818... pih = 1698... 1818-1698= 120 120÷24(hours)= 5 5 days from now = SEPT 24 SWITCH 2 REVEAL SEPT 24!!! 😂😂😂

[@AndresRestart]

lmao I will be diving into it soon

[@The100percentRealWaluigi]

Wait, that would be a good day though

[@SRF_1031]

@@AndresRestart I had to edit multiple parts, typed too fast & made no sense lol

[@EarnestGamer]

WTF?! 😂

[@ItApproaches]

What the hell is that equation? rah???? 1818? What is pih = 1698? Sounds like you're just making weird stuff up.

[@joshuamogle8819]

Pocketpair is getting what they deserve.

[@matrgarr]

Ultimately, it's Nintendo's property to protect, but let's be real. None of this would've been an issue had they put adequate effort into the last several Pokémon games. It's the one IP where quality doesn't truly exist. At least consecutively. Hopefully, that's changing with ZA, but it definitely should've happened sooner.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Pokémon had years upon years to make something with Palworld's scope and quality. And mind you Palworld's scope and quality aren’t even that particularly high, they are just more in line with modern standards and filled a niche that Nintendo deliberately left vacant. Nintendo/Gamefreak spent that time shitting out half baked games knowing it would sell because of the name attached, and rather than compete when another company tries to fill that gap, they resort to quash it with a legal hammer.

[@greenlight2323]

They cant Take them down for Copyrights because Gamefreak stole from Dragonquest.

[@Snow-c6e]

Nintendo Palworld is ripping off Pokemon Square Enix Dragon Quest Hold up wait a minute Pokemon is ripping off Dragon Quest

[@ItApproaches]

The devs say they have no idea about what the problem is, I CALL BS. They knew there was a risk making a game that was so damn similar to Pokemon in the looks of the creatures lol. A lot of the creatures look like they were made by the same designer who makes the Pokemon. I agree with Nintendo on this.

[@KittysCat-j7x]

In the United States, the alleged infringer would be sent a “cease and desist letter” prior to the filing of charges. The cease and desist letter outlines the nature of the alleged IP infringement and warns the other party to stop in order to avoid a lawsuit. I’m not sure how it works in Japan. If it’s similar then the “we didn’t know” argument would be disingenuous.

[@lilisaur]

@@KittysCat-j7x Probably were. Game came out in January, and Nintendo didn't begin legal procedings until May, and finally filed lawsuit this week. Seems likely they'd have given notice by that May date. I don't see any reason why Nintendo (or most companies for that matter) would immediately jump to expensive court actions when an inexpensive threat of legal action usually does the trick.

[@neonswift]

Firstly, this lawsuit has nothing to do with the look of these monsters. Its not a copyright case. If Nintendo are suing using their patents because they can't sue using copyright then it makes them a deeply petty company. Thats a bad look. Secondly, you'll notice Nintendo haven't told us what the patents are either? Seems like they don't want the general public to know what they are challenging in Palworld, maybe because it wouldn't be a good look if its as vague as "catching monsters" as a gameplay mechanic. I love Nintendo games but they are minted, they don't need you or anyone else defending them. Especially if they're going to stoop as low as bad companies like Namco and WB before them, who also strong armed developers with filed patents.

[@ItApproaches]

@@lilisaur I didn't even notice, you were one of the guys I was chatting with in Andre's live chat lol.

[@ItApproaches]

@@neonswift The patents are revealed actually, and it's normal for a company to keep legal stuff NOT PUBLIC cause that's how court works, it's not the publics business. I doubt you have any IP that is yours so you have no footing to stand on. As for petty, welcome to the world called Earth, humans step on each other, is this your first day? Grab a How to be human for Dummies! Book from your goodie bag on the way out! A person has 1000% full control with their IP's and gets to determine what happens involving it. This isn't about defending Nintendo, this is either Nintendo is objectively in the right, or they aren't. And they are in fact, objectively in the right.

[@damascuseternali5820]

Eye shall never play palworld. Its clearly a rip off of pokemon. Like, you cant make something new? In my opinion palword should be sued and the game should be taken off line.

[@pyrobomb3161]

To accuse before you understand is a mark of the ignorant Try the game before you claim it's a copycat, or atleast watch a playthrough. Once you do then your opinion can be considered valid

[@ta4life27]

go pocketpair

[@netweed09]

I mean whatever happens, you just cannot beat those Pokémon designs, they just hit the mark.

[@greenlight2323]

Why is He so Happy that Nintendo sued palworld? I really dont get it. I Had fun with palworld. If pkmn company wants to Stop it, they should make better Games. I am a consumer Not a Fan of a piece of plastic.

[@Gumbi09]

Maybe Pokemon should stop making trash games and remakes. Maybe Pokemon should ditch the shit games and make something better.

[@Aspiepilled]

I support pokemon and nintendo suing palworld but not for this reason

[@spyro91rep.productions22]

I don’t it’s a stupid lawsuit hope they lose I love Pokémon but I don’t like trh company as Jealousy like in Japan, where is your Honor, where is your honor not to be jealous of your own neighbors

[@FireRED-c8u]

​@@spyro91rep.productions22dude, do you even know how much damage plaworld can cause to Pokemon, not because of sales but its about people who will be mistaken Pokemon for palworld which is known for Pokemon with guns will not buy Pokemon games for their kids due to being mistaken for plaworld.

[@spyro91rep.productions22]

It doesn’t matter we need competition fanboy you the reason people mess pal up yea your angry with there success how that are. Ans like I say as an American if Nintendo wins we will declare war on Nintendo not spending any Nintendo products for life. I have my rights and yours do not mess USA taking guns away they can be very aggressive mate

[@Underground3]

@@FireRED-c8u That "damages" was created thank to Pokemon fanboys calling it "Pokemon with guns". When the devs themselves said it play more like Ark than Pokemon.

[@rablablook1720]

Unless Nintendo makes a game as action packed and fun shooter survival base building game as Palworld; I'm against Nintendo even if they win. I want fun, and whatever Nintendo currently has or is doing with Pokemon is NOT fun.

[@Nextendoh]

Palworld with no Pokemon-looking monsters would have gotten no attention at all. Palworld got big because of the monsters looking like Pokemon.

[@neonswift]

Which is irrelevant to this lawsuit. If Nintendo are going after them for patent infringement only because they couldn't go after them for copyright infringement that makes Nintendo an absolute petty scumbag in the industry. I love what Nintendo generally make but they're overstepping as game mechanic patents shouldn't even be allowed in the first place.

[@Nextendoh]

@@neonswift I know but still :)

[@rockowlgamer631]

"Compensation for the damages" Talk about over dramatic there Nintendo. Nintendo at this point is an alcoholic uncle, love/hate relationship where some days he'll talk about fun shit like when he went into the sewers and found a giant snapping turtle or when he went out in the woods and saw a cave that has a cool stone. There we enjoy his company as kids, wondering how we'll have our own adventures. .....And then there's his bad side when he's drunk (with power) and will belittle you for making your own stuff that mimicked his ideas/his creations. Tell your parents (or in this case lawyers) and have them ground you to the point you start to wonder why you bother visiting him. Then you look back on the good times, see 1st paragraph to repeat the cycle. I'm honestly tired of Japanese customs or just Nintendo shitting on fan made games or other monster tamer games that try to be "unique" (even though PocketPair CEO said that he just wants to make fun games.) Dammit Nintendo stop ruining the competition, you're becoming too full of yourself.

[@The100percentRealWaluigi]

To be fair, They did steal pokemon designs, and pokemon mechanics and made it a shooting/ Survival game. Then made a huge profit off of it

[@michaelosipczuk3649]

Your both right..​@@The100percentRealWaluigi

[@michaelosipczuk3649]

You're right, and so is that replier. 😂❤

[@lilisaur]

But if you stole $100 from said uncle, uncle knows it, asked for the money back, and you refused, is the uncle really the bad guy here or you? If Pocketpair stole game mechanics from Nintendo, Nintendo knows it, Nintendo asked for damages, and Pocketpair refused, is Nintendo the bad guy here or Pocketpair?

[@Underground3]

The damages is probably that Palworld highlights Gamefreak's complacency of shitting out half baked Pokemon games and not filling a market they left open on other platforms. Which if true is lol.

[@Wileytiger-el6pu]

Nintendo is ridiculous. Enough with these dumb lawsuits that stifle creativity. Future developers will always be questioning whether their games are infringing on another games patents. Enough is enough. I hope they lose and lose badly

[@dsshocktrooper7523]

I just want Nintendo to get laughed out of the court room. Suing for gameplay mechanics is beyond stupid and sets a terrible future for the gaming industry.