Nintendo sue Palworld for patent infringment over... game mechanics...?

[@YongYea]

I expected Nintendo and the Pokemon Company to try to sue Palworld for copyright infringement, to claim designs between Pals and Pokemon are too similar. But they're instead claiming patent infringement and claiming Palworld copied game mechanics?! Not only could the two games not be more different, it's incredibly scummy to claim ownership over game mechanics and to set a legal prescedent where a company can go after a dev for using such mechanics. This feels like a shady way for Nintendo to manipulate and exploit the legal system that could have long-term ramifications if they succeed. PATREON: www.patreon.com/yongyea TWITTER: twitter.com/yongyea INSTAGRAM: instagram.com/yong_yea TIKTOK: www.tiktok.com/@yongyea TOP PATRONS [BIG BOSS] - Devon B [BOSS] - Gerardo Andrade - Michael Redmond - Phil [PRETTY LEGENDARY] - azalea

[@404Errored]

I mean i saw the lawsuit incoming but...definitely not for that.

[@mrcupcake5309]

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[@onriica]

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[@onriica]

Why not comment before making the video go live?

[@HattaTHEZulZILLA86]

Notice the TIMING too, after Pocketpair making all that bank. I now lost ALL RESPECT and INTEREST in the Pokemon franchise with this.

[@0taku912]

BanCo patented "mini games in loading screens" and did nothing with it for years until it expired. WB patented the "nemesis system" and still haven't done anything with it since Mordor. Patenting game mechanics kills creativity.

[@mattvoelker241]

oh no, they've used the patent...to stop Warframe from adding liches as a full system. The lich system that we have is a shadow of what they wanted it to be.

[@Static-EN-]

@@mattvoelker241 ah i remember this, kind of a shame the liches and sisters are reduced to mere weapon dispensers

[@1ProAssassin]

Think of the bright side. I think it was either EA or Activision Blizzard (Or both) that patented a bunch of monetization schemes. So long as they hold the patents we're a little safer.

[@nickedits9273]

Yeah, that’s why there’s a code of honor, Nintendo literally fought a Studio who was trying to patent literally touch screen controls making people pay fees for them The allegation as of now is that Palworld tried to patent the idea of “collecting monsters” do you know how damaging that could be for the MONSTER COLLECTING Genre?

[@glarchive7296]

Ah fellow Scott the Woz fan?

[@abarration5907]

-Nexomon has entered the chat -Digimon has entered the chat -Pocket Mortys has entered the chat -TemTem has entered the chat. Edit: to clarify- I've never seen or played TemTem, I just saw it in a list of games supposedly like pokemon. But much like the Nintendo Eshop, someone told me it belonged in a genre so I put it there. Also, it would be really funny if Digimon sued Pokemon due to them stealing the "temporary" evolution mechanic with MegaEvolution and Gigantimax

[@suroguner]

Coromon has entered the chat

[@jackshabazz]

Siralim has entered the chat

[@terrysyvertson9205]

digimon is nothing like Pokemon, also, pokemon did not create the monster taming genre, shin megami tensei did

[@ToxicCalamari]

Cassette Beasts has entered the chat Monster Hunter Stories has entered the Chat Shin Megami Tensei has entered the chat

[@Shiroyasha418]

SMT has entered the chat DQ Monsters has entered the chat Ni No Kuni enters the chat Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth enters the chat The list is practically endless

[@RepellentJeff]

Patent infringement over patents _that didn’t exist when Palworld first released._ “My lord, is that legal?” “I will *_make it_* legal.”

[@The_Azure_]

If you're talking about the 2024 catching mechanic that's just a continuation of the 2021/22 catching mechanic filed for L:A. Not that it really matters considering the basic catch mechanic has existed since the Palworld devs released Craftopia back in 2020.

[@shadowninja6689]

Not to mention patents that there's almost certainly prior art for in other games, which should make them invalid. But because our first to file system is so broken businesses still have to spend money in court fighting these bogus lawsuits to get the patent struck down.

[@genlando327plays2]

@@RepellentJeff also worth noting that the patent was denied in the US so this ONLY applies in Japan

[@imatiu]

No one actually knows over what patents Nintendo is actually suing Palworld. Right now all we know is the part about patent infringement but we don't have the specifics.

[@Kokuyous3ki]

Nintendo has filed a cr*pton of patents over this year alone, it feels like they're just trying to patent everything they can come up with and since the system is bad they actually get the patents for most of them and then if you want to make a game there will be definitely something in it that they can sue you for. It has no real basis but you do need to fight it and that means legal fees an indie dev might not have funds for. Would be okay-ish if in case of a patent that ends up struck down as illegal/flawed whatever they call that, those that Granted said patent would be also punished. Are they punished in such case? That would make them more motivated to not let someone go around patenting the word "red" and the like...

[@albertjester]

The irony that once it was Nintendo being unfairly sued by Universal trying to claim Donkey Kong was an infringement of King Kong.

[@gh0st-dru1d]

you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain, after all.

[@WillieDangerously]

Kirby is named after the lawyer who defended Nintendo in that case.

[@wamengxiong0409]

​​@@WillieDangerously a suck up? An inhaler? A glutton (of money)? Waht? And please, this was a joke

[@nullpoint3346]

@@wamengxiong0409 Small pink puff that fights giant cosmic powers. Also, Kirby died in 2019.

[@NoHandle44]

If Nintendo wins this case, it will be over for any Pokemon type game. Nintendo will be the ONLY company making Pokemon games. And I think having a monopoly like that is extremely unfair.

[@conspiracypanda1200]

"Pokemon type game" - the usual genre terms are Monster Tamer or Monster Collector RPGs. Then again, I wish we did live in a world where we could use "Pokemon" as a term for the Monster Tamer genre because it would be _really_ funny if it resulted in Genericide and Nintendo's copyright was affected.

[@Rocketcow-dx1jd]

@@conspiracypanda1200 I'll just do what ARK and Fallout does with taming and middle finger Nintendo.

[@grimlocked472]

Reminder that patents are only applicable to the country they are granted in. Not every country is going to grant Nintendo such a vague patent.

[@NoHandle44]

@@grimlocked472 yeah, but no country will want to challenge a patent if they win.

[@suminternetsht290]

welcome to ea sports

[@longlivethesheet4561]

Patenting game mechanics is inherently destructive to the gaming market; several of the best titles ever have been built on reiterations on games that released before. If AAA game companies become litigious over specific gameplay mechanic, then indie games would be shut out of engaging in entire GENRES of games. If Nintendo pursued this case and won, what would keep them from pursuing this same kind of lawsuit against games like Coromon and Cassette Beasts?

[@severdislike4222]

Running into people whose use of monster capture & collecting games predates their own. See Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei from 1987 which is owned by Sega/Atlus.

[@MumboJumboZXC]

The patent on the nemesis system from the Mordor games is in place until 2036 or some shit. It’s a travesty.

[@longlivethesheet4561]

@@severdislike4222Exactly. Though it would be some juicy karma to see Atlus sue Nintendo for “patent infringement”

[@laurencefraser]

Mind you, from the AAA industry's point of view, that's a Good thing...

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

@@longlivethesheet4561 Given how Microsoft would most likely be involved in the palworld lawsuit, I expect Joker, Steve, and Banjo to be removed from Smash Bros in the future.

[@1slayer959]

Ah yes, because pokemon has so many unique mechanics

[@1slayer959]

@@leonardofarias8843 ah yes the concept of wearing down a foe in combat. That was NEVER a thing until the birth of our lord and savior lightning rat

[@krisc1684]

​@@leonardofarias8843 what are you trying to argue here?

[@1slayer959]

@@leonardofarias8843 and?

[@hilkmeister1382]

That is why I think it may be a process or piece of code that is not what we can see at the consumer level. Makes more sense than Nintendo having a patent on catching things.

[@mustangmckraken1150]

@leonardofarias8843 So you're telling me that a 3rd party innovated Pokemon more than Pokemon has in 20 years? Also, if you seriously think that Pokemon did a single thing original Shin Megami Tensai predates it and has every single mechanic Pokemon has.

[@MysticalGoatKnight]

"Nintendo sues Palworld for all the wrong reasons" So, just another Tuesday. When has Nintendo EVER sued someone for all the right reasons? I have never once seen Nintendo be in the right in a lawsuit.

[@terrysyvertson9205]

there's nothing wrong about suing over patent infringement, which palworld did, Nintendo owns the patent for capturing creatures in balls mechanic

[@laurencefraser]

that's because when they're in the right the other party generally caves before it gets to lawsuits.

[@Alfonso88279]

They usually win them though.

[@ZombiedWolf]

@@terrysyvertson9205 There is EVERYTHING wrong with Nintendo even owning that kind of patent and then using said ownership to try and strongarm smaller companies.

[@viniciusgabriel10]

@@terrysyvertson9205 Pal spheres can be used to capture humans too, which poke balls never did, so it's not the same mechanic. Case closed.

[@ShadowWalker2006]

It should not be allowed to patent game mechanics period. Most companies abuse this to prevent competition and just want to sit on their one good Idea. If your game does it best you get the attention you want (see palworld) without the need to sue others. This just kills innovation

[@epicworld435]

There's no innovation in the Western game industry for the past 10 years. People now use the word game innovation to defend companies that steal from others. Nintendo YOU EVIL, make better games instead suing the thief lol

[@mythicdawn9574]

Exactly. Sid Meyer's Civilization is an example of a game that dominates the genre without a patent, despite the competition that arose in previous years. In fact, it's because of the competition (Humankind) that they are trying something different for Civ7. For better or for worse, sure, but it would not have happened without Humankind being a thing. Competition can help a genre to evolve instead of stagnating like Pokemon did. Is there anything game changing in Pokemon since the first game ? They simply created new Pokemons and pokemon types, and implemented 3D graphics but that's hardly a change, it's just a reskin. Palworld tried to merge Survival and real time combat with Monster catching games, as well as other mechanics from currently very popular genre. Is it good ? I don't know, didn't play the game, but it's definitely something new.

[@jtjones4727]

It's crazy how Nintendo is so stringent about trying to maintain this squeaky clean family friendly image, while at the same time, being this incredibly litigious and downright hostile company that has zero qualms about squashing and destroying anyone, or anything, that goes against their carefully crafted and curated image they value so much.

[@gman7497]

That's why I find the absolute glazing they get from the majority of the gaming press a bit annoying. Sony and Microsoft get absolutely blasted for their crap behavior, but since Nintendo has essentially become Japanese Disney, alot of people blinded by nostalgia are gonna look the other way.

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

​@@gman7497it makes sense. Disney was also aggressively litigious and really wanted to keep that squeaky clean image in the public eye back in the day.

[@spence6195]

They're Japanese, hypocrisy is their strongest trait

[@andrellhardy6780]

Nintendo got to be real petty instead of make a good pokemon game

[@skyuru]

Thats what i said in their official twitter account XD

[@DragonHeart613]

Arceus was pretty good.

[@TommasoFirmini]

Bro have you seen their track record when it comes to Nintendos pettiness

[@JohnnyLeyenda]

@@DragonHeart613 Pretty okay but really decades behind in game innovation, it's like a game that should have existed for the Wii or Wii U era

[@andrellhardy6780]

@@TommasoFirmini oh I know I just didn't think they'd be that petty to go after a indie studio for game mechanics

[@AreWeLearningYet77]

That's cute of nintendo to claim to have invented game mechanics that were first found in the Shin Megami Tensei series a decade before pokemon ever existed. Really cute.

[@Zontar82]

zoomers don't know about that because zoomers don't care for anything made 5 seconds before their birth, so they will just blind following the crap they see on yt

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@Zontar82No judge in Japan is going to be a zoomer. Only fossils get handed gavels. We should be more concerned with the likelyhood that they don't know anything about how videogames work in the first place.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@Zontar82 generic generational stereotype

[@guilhermepupo2840]

no ones care about shin megami tensei lmao

[@AToxicBunny]

​@@guilhermepupo2840 Shin megami tensei is still coming out with new games and people still play it.

[@nacunacato]

Pokemon, the game that stole the main poket monster gameplay from smt, wants to sue a game that has "stolen" a game mechanic from them? This is one of the most hypocritical move i have ever heard.

[@TheBikeOnTheMoon]

it's Nitendo, what do you expect?

[@Angelo._]

Yong, you realize those 3D models were proven false, right? Those models were altered by someone to make it look like Pocketpair copied the molds 1:1. And again, we are also aware that Pokémon also copied Dragon Quest with some of it's first mons. Again, why is it only Pokémon can do it, but no one else can? In terms of the patents, there is no sense. Nintendo really did sue Pocketpair with no basis whatsoever. That's Nintendo for you. They think they own an idea, and just get to take whoever they want to court with no real repercussions for their false claims. Nevermind the fact they play completely differently from each other. Digimon, Yokai Watch, TemTem, Persona/Shin Megami Tensai? Did Nintendo forget those exist? They are just salty that Pocketpair made a good mon capture game that changed the formula, while also sticking it to Pokémon, albiet unintentionally. And that really is all it comes down to; "Pocketpair made the Pokémon game Nintendo/Game Freak never would." Hope Nintendo loses. Rather innovate and actually put effort into making a good Pokémon game, they rather sue Pocketpair and get Palworld out of the way. Even though both games are completely different in gameplay. Patents shouldn't exist, anyway. How the fuck you gonna claim ownership over a damn game mechanic? By that logic, Shin Megami Tensai should be the ones sueing Pokémon. Which would also be crazy and equally dumb. The greed is so fucking real with Nintendo/Pokémon

[@Allustar]

I felt his example of comparing Dinossom to Meganium was particularly awful. Like dude, they have a similar concept, but dinossom is clearly not meganium. Meganium is large and quadrupedal. Dinossom is small and bipedal.

[@GerriFuryman]

@@Allustar Anubis that looks like Anubis) It pokemon who copied how Lucario looks from ancient egypt mythology)))

[@GerriFuryman]

That’s the sad truth of this twits, they put idea (lie) and then apologise that they made shit up, but most people already spread false accusations ignoring the fact that all this was made up.

[@sirrdapo1882]

Definitely not 😂 they look nothing alike Nintendo is just made they can’t make anything better last good Pokemon was emerald NINTENDO IS A TRASH COMPANY NOW

[@8diva8]

Yet Nintendo will never get sued for all the money they stole from us with their virtual console.

[@nekonomicon2983]

If nintendo wins this, then it'll set a pretty dangerous precedent. It'll prove they can take out any game that has similar mechanics to their games.

[@terrysyvertson9205]

they WILL win this because Nintendo owns the patents for the capturing creatures in balls mechanic

[@Alfonso88279]

Dangerous indeed.

[@TomyLopex]

​@@terrysyvertson9205only in Japan. They don't have patents in the US

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

@@terrysyvertson9205 Then palworld changes the their capture mechantic to to use decahedrons instead. even then, they are not just sphere, got two parts jutting out hindering the sheerness to it and are spheres in name only.

[@Kant3n]

@@terrysyvertson9205 No, they don't. The two patents they are suing claiming infringement on were applied for after Palworld was already out. This is straight up a frivolous fabricated lawsuit.

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

that person claming the models were riped actually admitted they faked it just to screw over pocket pair

[@jamaldavis2480]

That is not at all what they admitted.

[@wansper9297]

Yeah but after that it seems other people did make similar allegations, but seeing as nintendo couldn't confirm it they likely did not rip any 3d model assets

[@ultimamage3]

@@jamaldavis2480 Yes it is, they admitted they modified Palworld's models to make them look more like the pokemon.

[@whitedragonzerureusu4480]

@@jamaldavis2480 You need to do more research bud.

[@pokehybridtrainer]

The IGN article shows similarities to 30 pals major or minor, but that is under fair use. Nintendo sued for patents in Japan to tip the scales in their favor.

[@TheHuskyK9]

Because I've seen a lot of misinformation going around, a summary: -Nintendo is *NOT* suing Palworld for their character designs. They are suing over patent infringement. -Said patent infringement was not specified by Nintendo, however, sources speculate that it's most likely the "poke ball" game mechanic where you aim and throw a ball to capture creatures. -Nintendo can't sue for copyright infringement of the character designs because the Pals are designed differently *enough* to be protected. My opinion: If that is the case, this case should be thrown out. This is like a publisher copyrighting a game mechanic of a character jumping while throwing a grenade in a first-person shooter, and then suing other games that do that. If you played Palworld, it plays nothing like Pokemon.

[@The_Azure_]

I'd like to be a little more clear on your second point. The patent being talked about is specifically for the Legends: Arceus catching mechanic. Not just aim and throw a ball to capture creatures, otherwise the Let's Go mechanic would also be in this patent. This specific patent is 20230191255 or 20240278129 . The first one being the original, the second being the most recent one. And yes, we don't actually know if this is the patent(s) Nintendo plans to fight with, but it is the most likely one from what non-lawyers can tell.

[@ifrit1937]

@@The_Azure_ Problem with this patent, if it's the one, is the Palword devs already did it in Craftopia beofre Arceus released so Palworld already had said mechanic before Pokemon whcih may bring up the issue if Nitnendo shoudl've ever been allowed to have said patent to begin with as it would've not been unique to them at the time they issued said patent (which is generally the main requirement to get a patent)...hell this case could even lead them to losing the patent completely and being allowed to make similar patents to it in the future if they change up aspects of it. They probably don't go for monster catching in general as a patent as other companies have made games that did it first and if they attempted that they're opening a can of worms that lead them against all of the gaming industry (this is already pretty bad imo just like WB's BS patent on the nemesis system and how even a similar idea with different code can't be done) If they want to patent or have patented the specific code in which they catch Pokemon and that was infringed fine they can go for that but he idea na, sorry just the idea alone should not be patentable/copyrigthable in regards to copyright laws.

[@manen2391]

​@@ifrit1937 except pocketpair didnt file a patent where as Nintendo did as with all their mechanics, and it was approved as a patent but it specifies shape , aim and catching as well as releasing for battle, and craftopia used a diamond that didnt rather than a sphere where as Palworld is just a pokeball with some pointy bits

[@Blackspidy619]

If only they had gone with Capture Cubes 😢

[@RollieInVR]

@@manen2391 oh you right i never thought of the craftopia using a diamond instead i only thought of the catching mechanic, i wonder if that tiny difference will make the lose it or win it argument. cause if not then pocket pair can just call prior art.

[@SrslyTony]

Ah yes, because Palworld stole all of the Pokémon Sword, Shield, Scarlet and Violet sales from the Xbox Series S and X players and the PC players...oh wait

[@daanabbring5409]

That's exactly the point. They don't want a game that gives the same kind of experience being available for the rest of the gaming market. Selling low power consoles like the Switch for the same price as PS5 or Xbox Series X I believe is something they get lots of money from. The games for it automatically can only have a smaller scope, which means lower production budgets while the games go for $60. Huge profit margins.

[@freshlymemed5680]

@@daanabbring5409 I agree with the first part but the switch costs $299, even if its lower power the main selling point besides Nintendo's exclusives is that the switch is portable and has stuff like local network play. The PS5 and Xbox Series X are $500 by comparison and there's nothing to even get on the PS5 that isn't a $70 AAA game.

[@SharkyMan419]

Pokémon: A 10-year-old freely travel without parent supervision trapping creatures and forces them to fight others for money, very limited multiplayer, the power to trap the universe's God in a ball. Palworld: spawn in in a primal world where you can build Baces and tame creatures, multiplayer, many hotfixes and updates after release. ARK: spawn in in a primal world where you can build Baces and tame creatures, multiplayer. Which game is Palworld more like?

[@aralornwolf3140]

Bases... they are closer to base building games than "child friendly" animal cruelty games.

[@NickNab]

Even better: Pocket Pair had the throw-an-object-to-capture-a-creature thing in Craftopia, even before Palworld was announced. They're basically just copying their own game.

[@laurencefraser]

More evidence to invalidate the claims, but also more pain if it doesn't work.

[@Wolta]

Ghostbusters threw boxes to capture creatures in the 80s.

[@NickNab]

@@Wolta Somehow, I forgot about the ghost traps.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

I hope so. I never want Nintendo to win most of these lawsuits but... They'll probably bribe the judge.

[@v5hr1ke]

Basically A-B testing. When one of these two succeeds, they get to grow the one that did (and eventually the other). They did copy their own game, and it's because they can. It's legal. What Nintendo is doing isn't good.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

Suuing for "Game Mechanics" is incredibly scummy. That means Dragon Quest should've sued Nintendo for Patent Infringement on Party system. That's also wrong. So if someone patented "Shooting Mechanics" that means they can shut down anyone who makes Shooting Games there. That is completely stupid and wrong for all the reasons involved.

[@cosmicskydragon333]

This is especially true because Pokemon didn't invent monster catching, multiple games have released before Pokemon. The type system has almost always existed in RPGs. Pokemon has almost nothing truly unique to it. This lawsuit would have to go up not just against Palworld but many companies, in fact they all benefit from Nintendo losing.

[@andypants1062]

​@cosmicskydragon333 palworld is the only one with you aiming and throwing a ball, that's the issue. Their old game used a cube/diamond shaped object.

[@ViddyOJames]

Did they have that patent or are you just pulling that out of your ass? Also, patents are very specific. It's not just a handful of words, it's a big document describing things down to the letter. You don't know what you're talking about.

[@Takato2527]

Wizardry series will also sue every single RPG ever for copying their game mechanics XD

[@porkyvonchop-zd8xn]

in nintendo logic capcom too can sue every fighting genre out there cos they all have same mechanic of street fighter 😆😆

[@ZayZenBlaze]

If anything the more I think about it, the more this reeks of Nintendo/Game Freak/The Pokemon Company being frustrated that they can't sue them for copyright infringement. And I would love nothing more than to see Nintendo lose this or back out cause they realize that this is stupid and is going to make people hate them more.

[@thenesmaster9708]

Honestly, I would be happy for Nintendo to win the lawsuit because that Palworld game is just Pokemon but more violent.

[@megamask3158]

@@thenesmaster9708it shares very little with Pokémon. The only real similarity is “Throw spherical thing at creature and it’s yours.”

[@sadfatdragon9529]

@@thenesmaster9708 Personally I don't want them too Nintendo could use a good humbling Legally also should point out Pokemon doesn't have a monopoly on creature catching games. Take Nexomon for instance it is also basically pokemon, but more violent. Temtem is another example of another creature catching game. Why not throw in Caset Beasts in there as well. I would also like to add Palworld is a different Genera of game, Pokemon and Nexomon are both turn based RPGs where Palworld is a survival crafting game with monster catching elements more in line with ARK survival. Nintendo wins this it will encourge them to be picky and choosy. I feel like the real reason Palworld is being attacked is it got big real big if only for a moment. Can we also the leadership within Nintendo and Gamefreak are actively hostile towards their own consumers and fans. I think it will do Nintendo some good to be humbled in court.

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

Amen brother!

[@danielleasewala2225]

Unless it costs nintendo siginficant money their not going to change. That's all they care about, and thus far their actions have yet to affect their bottomline. Ontop of that this entire case is going to be complicated as it's taking place in japan between two japanesse countries in a court system heavily biased towards nintendo and it's considerable weight in politics due to it's long history and ties to less then savory characters and it's shit load of money. Pocket Pair inc not only lacks the funds to fight this to the end without going bankrupt, but they lack the support in a country where this kind of behavior from companys is expected and accepted and have to deal with the entire system being heavily biased. Tl'Dr shits fucked because japan doesn't give a shit largely.

[@enderkatze6129]

This is Nintendo literally proving that palworld is legally in the clear. Maaayyyybeeee not in terms of game mechanics, but DEFINITLY in terms of Designs. So anyone arguiblng palworld stole pokemon designs is now even more in the wrong than before lmao

[@SuperRemion]

Patents on game mechanics is like a patent on a technique for creating art, like sculpting. It’s just stupid and Nintendo is an enemy of innovation and creativity.

[@linksbro1]

They filed some of the patents AFTER Palworld came out, they have no leg to stand on.

[@ubisuccle]

Lets hope the Japenese court sees it that way

[@verdant2215]

@@ubisuccle They will not

[@breakupgoogle4584]

@@ubisuccle Thats a good question. These days courts favor the highest bidder. I would assume Japanese courts would favor the Corpo/Zaibatsu over the people based on the culture.

[@KalijahAnderson]

We don't know what patents they are claiming here yet. Unless you have a source for this.

[@terrysyvertson9205]

Nintendo and game freak created the mechanic of capturing creatures in balls, they just forgot to patent it when they created it

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

This is dangerous because it sets a new layer on what can be filed for a lawsuit. Considering game mechanics are creativity based, this kind of lawsuits could only harm in the middle/long term. Games mechanics should be an exception for patents to an extent, remember how the Nemesis System is locked to be used on a major scale because it was patented by WB and was only used on Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War? I genuinely hope Nintendo loses the case.

[@laurencefraser]

Eh, patents on things that shouldn't be patented are not new, they're just usually a US problem that usually gets binned when it eventually goes to court.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

@@laurencefraser even the US is against this ... thats why nintendo went to japan court with this

[@silverwing5254]

@@toukoenriaze9870 Japanese company and developer goes to Japanese court Everyone: Clearly it's a conspiracy to make sure they win because they could never win in the US court! Morons...

[@ifrit1937]

@@toukoenriaze9870 Funny thing is Palword's devs are not in Japan if I'm right so who knows if their country will even bother enforcing this on their end/require the company pay up if they lose in Japan as this patent sounds like BS...if that happens at best they can only affect Japanese release and sales/any country that goes with Japan on this one. Usually the US will honor patents/copyrights from outside of the US but that's usually if they make sense...this one doesn't tbh especially as they don't even name any patents so research could be started now to see what they violated (sounds more like they're claiming they have many while they may just have 1 likely focused on ball catching aspect (and by the sounds of it that patent was made after Craftopia (Palword's devs previous game) which also had similar mechanics back then in Legends Arceus and hope Palword's devs will cave and just give up...I don't think that will work this time due to Microsoft and Sony backing them though to some degree so they have investment to protect/reason to keep the game alive so they may shovel funds to Palword if need be to combat the delay tactic Nintendo is likely to use to force Palworld to give up like Disney usually does to the other party in lawsuits too)).

[@danielleasewala2225]

@@ifrit1937 Brother google exists. Pocket pair Inc is a japanesse company so it's a legal fight between two japanesse companys over japanesse copy right law.

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

Nintendo bullying a small indie company while simultaneously setting a precedent that could destroy gaming. All because they're salty yet refuse to up their game in favour of just stomping out the little guy.

[@ShyRanger]

Didn't Palworld sell like millions of units and are actually a pretty big company? Also didn't the Palwordld company run into issues about AI and stealing stuff too? I'm not defending Nintendo as a "good guy" but I wouldn't exactly call the Palworld company The little guy"

[@wadewilson5712]

@@ShyRanger did it sell well yes is it a big company ? nope

[@manen2391]

​@@wadewilson5712 while not a big company themselves they are partnering with Sony, so they are being backed by a big company

[@v5hr1ke]

​@@manen2391they're backed by big ones indeed, but they're not big, which agrees with your reply and the main comment

[@chaotixthefox]

​@@ShyRangerAfter Palworld's success Pocketpair has gone up to about 50 people. They have a separate game called "A.I: Art Impostor", this game uses A.I as the premise is being a fake artist using AI, but during the initial shitstorm people misrepresented statements regarding this game as being about Palworld.

[@LedeannaCal]

What do you expect from the imho most Anti-Consumer Video Game Company in history.

[@ValentineNTT]

Ayo EA exists you know

[@LedeannaCal]

@@ValentineNTT Yes they do but unlike EA Nintendo won't let you play the games you paid for on any newer version of the console unless you pay them monthly.

[@kleberson777]

Shin Megami Tensei dev should've sued Nintendo for Pokemon long time ago.

[@JonathanOtt-o6w]

So if Pokemon wins, should From Software sue EVERY Souls-like? This is sooo stupid. If Pokemon wins, I will vomit. 🤢 This is one of the more corporate BS disgusting suits I have heard of. Does Nintendo want to start monopolizing game mechanics?? Souls-like, Metroidvania, and other genres are born from inspiration. Hell, Metroidvania is originally a Nintendo concept that I would argue Souls-like came from just in a 3D space... Idk... This whole thing has me sick. It's so gross. Nintendo, please pull the suit. You are embarrassing yourselves...

[@rps215]

That is why they dare not do it over copyright, but rather over patent. If they do that and they win, Warner Bros and others will be happy to do the same to Nintendo.

[@weebymcweaberson8145]

It would be more like FromSoftware could get a patent made all of a sudden that claims “dying and coming back to life at a specific checkpoint” was their idea first

[@electrobob992]

Plus one of the patents was riding a tamed creature, a Mount system... So games like Minecraft, Red Dead Redemption, and many other games could be NEXT. And they are using this lawsuit to test the waters, if they win... They might go after other games. Imagine them doing that and ALL those games with those mechanics new and old get delisted. Sure Nintendo wins like you guys want... But at what cost?

[@liquidsnake23]

This is speculation for now. It could be something very small that they found they could be argued “inspired” but rather spinning it, it was too straight forward.

[@DBTHEPLUG]

​​@@electrobob992Yeah, Nintendo is definitely not coming for Microsoft and Rockstar Games...

[@Nyxy-Noo]

Okay, not to bring back *that* discourse but what the hell are the similarities YongYea is seeing at 10:30? - Three tone body vs Single tone body - Long, curly tail with sprout-like details vs short pointy tail. - Pink tentacle-ese hat vs jagged pink flower mane - Hair like additions vs bald I mean, I could keep going. Actually yeah. - One's a fucking Biped, the other a quadruped? Am I missing something? They look almost entirely different outside of color pallet, and even that only barely. (Like green and pink aren't common nature colours)

[@nazeersadek6705]

He didn’t use the most obvious example which is the grass type Cinderace

[@conspiracypanda1200]

The Delphox art was a fanart of a potential mega evolution too. You gotta be careful about these kind of details when you present them, but the only reason we feel upset about this is because he's usually so reliable in the first place. Personally, I don't think taking that much time to compare the designs was nessicary to the horrible case here either. The mechanics patent is much more terrible for everyone than any design patent could ever be.

[@Leonidash15]

I know right? That's a completely different character species from Meganium

[@bcrichwarlockmaster]

I hope Nintendo loses this. They need so much humble pie

[@QuantumNova]

They're undefeated in Japan when suing. 100% win rate. They only sue when they can totally win. Most of Japan is backing Nintendo in this case.

[@sirrdapo1882]

@@QuantumNovathey definitely have some judges under they belt 😊

[@meru8348]

Can I get a collective "Fuck Nintendo!"

[@eegernades]

Nah. Switch 2 coming out soon

[@davidbeauchemin1840]

@@eegernades fuck them anyways.

[@lazy0nara]

Fuck Nintendo!

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

I'll take Peach, you can have Mario. Luigi can watch.

[@megaman37456]

@@eegernades Fuck Switch 2

[@Camuale]

They’re fishing for lawsuit. Essentially throwing mud at the wall and hoping something will stick. Shame on Nintendo. Won’t listen to their fans, but are angry when someone makes a better game than them.

[@Planag7]

But it isn't better it's been essentially abandoned for over 6 months. If you want to delude yourself and pretending that they have as much support as the Pokemon company be my guest but you just deluding yourself. And again I could have sworn half of you thought that Xbox was the devil last year.. hmmmmmmmmm

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

And then once they leave us with no alternatives, will happily continue giving us shit without learning a thing.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

will spend millions on suing palworld but wont spend it on making an actual competitor kek

[@KayOhTeeKay]

@@Planag7 "And again I could have sworn half of you thought that Xbox was the devil last year.. hmmmmmmmmm" Ah yes, the overabundant red herring in its natural habitat: residing within the peculiar arguments of the unwitting or unscrupulous. Truly, the sorts that cannot (or will not) acknowledge the insignificance of an unrelated and anecdotal observation.

[@Nidvex]

@@Planag7 explain the update that released three days ago. explain the updates in August. explain the updates in September. You're the worst kind of person, don't make straight up lies all because you dislike a game you baby.

[@UltimateDragonX9999]

Nintendo really have fun destroying everyone’s fun such as streaming, Nintendo music videos, fan made emulators, lost products, nsfw art, and sometimes animation. It’s show that Nintendo controls with a iron fist combined with the mighty’s copyright lawyers in the world.

[@ProfessorDreamer]

that's the world corporate world works my friend.

[@Natsukashii1111]

And the sad thing is that Nintendo makes money on general public that never hear of these behaviors. If Xbox or Playstation did the same thing, it would bite them in the ass more since their public is slightly more following video game news (tho they still have a good amount of general public too)

[@yukiwatanabe5256]

I am Japanese. I watched this video with Japanese subtitles using the automatic translation function. It is an easy to understand explanation. Thank you. I liked Nintendo, but this lawsuit is sad news. It looks like Nintendo is threatening other companies under the justification of "because of the patent" and "because it's legal". It appears to be an overlap of the Japanese yakuza. I sympathize with the confusion of the video contributors. Instead of threatening other companies and taking their money, they should make more interesting games at a faster pace!

[@yukiwatanabe5256]

And I was hoping for a PS5 version of "Pal World", which was to be announced at the very Tokyo Game Show 2024, but it was announced that it was blanked out. やってくれたな任天堂よ！！！

[@rafal2903]

@@yukiwatanabe5256 Really?

[@bobbywamsley4828]

It seems as if the Japanese people may not be a united front for Nintendo, I've heard that some opinions are that PalWorld didn't respect Nintendo and didn't stay small. That Nintendo allowed Pocket Pair to exist until Pocket Pair got too big and then decided to strike them down, deeming them an offense or of being disrespectful to Nintendo which is wild to me. It sounds like mafia behavior if Nintendo gets to decide who gets to be punished or who gets to slide by because they're not big enough

[@JudgmentSigma]

Palworld has more resemblence from Conan Exiles! In both games: -You build bases -You "enslave" entities -There is survival -There are huge bosses (not like E4 and Champion with multiple Pokes) -You use weapons -You can slaughter entities for specific loot -Have real time combat NONE of those things are a definition of a Pokemon game!

[@Chrisbun1]

I hate that there's a good chance Nintendo wins simply due to attrition

[@uvveshlurvvesh6515]

Interesting to see how the Fans ars taking it then.

[@johansvensson833]

@@uvveshlurvvesh6515 they will not care people being crying about how the treat emulations for years most do not care or notice

[@ancientone5903]

Not so much Nintendo I'm worried about, it's the outdated Copyright Laws back in Japan I'm more worried about hence to why Nintendo has been going nuts with all these lawsuits that have unfolded...

[@BritBox777]

Welcome to the legal system

[@electrobob992]

Though there is a theory they are doing this knowing they won't win, but are using their greater pool of funds to make Pocket Pair go bankrupt. However this is one key issue with that idea if that is true.. Game has offline support and custom server hosting, people can still play it even if it does get removed. Modders will mod the game since it has that support to an extent. Players can still make videos, and... Players will still compare it against future Pokemon titles. If those games are more buggy than Palworld which is an incomplete game mind you, not fully released.. It would just hurt nintendo.

[@SageofStars]

Even under Japanese law, WAITING on this one probably is going to cause them the most problems with their lawsuit, as this game had a lot of fanfare at announcement, and at launch all those months ago, so they had time to stop it then. Now? Now it either looks like a money grab, or at worst, an attempt to kneecap the competition as they ramp up for a pokemon game in the fall for the Christmas time. Either way, that's a bad look in, and that fact that they're basically going after it for the creature collecting aspect...something THEY did not invent? Japanese law is different than american, but it's still likely to be a bad look.

[@PaulonTheBrave]

Yeah from what I gathered from people more versed on the topic a mechanic has to be considered unique or innovative so palworld's devs do have a potential case against Nintendo on this. Though sadly people in Japan side with Nintendo on this due to the reputation of the opposing company.

[@urazz7739]

Not only that but the game was in development for years and was known enough for Nintendo to definitely know about it before the game released.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

ye either they are gonna be forced to settle due to legal fees ... its just nintendo bullying like usual

[@ifrit1937]

@@toukoenriaze9870 Who knows...apparently Palword has some backing from Sony and Microsoft before this so if they want to keep the investment going they could just keep funding the company by funding other games while this case goes on if the judge just doesn't toss it quickly (which they quite frankly should due to 1st how long after the lawsuit was made after Palword was known to be a thing in development/in early access and buyable now and then 2nd most mechanics they likely will target likely aren't patentable to begin with and never should've been or the patens may have expired if its something like ball catching as it's been nearly 30 years since the first Pokemon game came out or they didn't patent it until recently (which some people are saying Nintendo only patented the ball catching this August though it may be for a version specific to the Pokemon Z / A game or back when Legend Arceus released so the August filing may have been an extension or something however the issue there is Palword's devs apparently used something like this in Craftopia which released before Arceus so that will be an issue for Nintendo in court...throw in those were just applications from what I read...I don't think anyone mentioned if those patent applications got approved or not which if they weren't and Nintendo's trying to use that on Palword than they'll get in trouble for not using a valid patent in the lawsuit and that alone may get the case dismissed. And let me be clear patents do expire (usually 20 years for both the US and Japan so even if Nintendo patented ball catching if they didn't renew it immediately after and only did so with Arceus/the new upcomign Z game then ya it won't work for them) so if any of those Nintendo is trying to use in this lawsuit passed that time and they weren't/weren't allowed to be extended than there's no case for Nintendo.

[@rps215]

If they were able to do it over copyright infringement, they would have done it before the game even get released. Japanese law is even more restrictive on that matter than US or EU laws on that matter, for instance there is no such thing as "fair use" under Japanese laws.

[@calebtitler1847]

Honestly Nintendo is such an authoritarian dogmatic company and it’s feels like I lose my trust with them everyday

[@laurencefraser]

Nintendo is less prone to finding new and interesting ways to screw over the customer/player than their competition by a long shot. Anyone Other than their customers, on the other hand...

[@ProfessorDreamer]

But I feel like you're still going to go buy their games somehow and go against you distrust for them.

[@ratedr7845]

@@ProfessorDreamer the typical bs nothing reply that tries to speak for people

[@JinTheAceStar]

You that spineless slimeboi that is the first in line when the next Zelda drops 😂😂

[@L16htW4rr10r]

I have losing trust ever since so many unfair lawsuits has been made by them

[@Spinnyfy]

I view video games as art. Imagine someone patenting an art style/art form. This kills creativity. If we as gamers lie dormant and let these mega companies roam, they'll ruin the gaming industry. By patening game mechanics they seek to create a monopoly they can benefit off. Companies like Nintendo don't care about gamers. They care about their wallets.

[@Craxipst]

Just a reminder that if Nintendo wins this, we all lose, as costumers.

[@mbank3832]

Didn’t know Nintendo is such a crybaby. Failed to make a good Pokémon game but salty about someone else made a better “Pokémon” game than them

[@terrysyvertson9205]

Nintendo owns the patents to the capturing creatures in balls mechanic

[@kahp1072]

Nintendo doesn't make Pokémon...

[@og_3rd_st_saint_gat]

Good thing they will lose

[@CorruptOutcast]

@@terrysyvertson9205 Not capturing them in spheres though.

[@GoofyPoptart]

​@@og_3rd_st_saint_gatNo they won't wtf you talking about? Nintendo has infinite $ and they do this stupid shit on purpose cause they know they'll win.

[@curiousfox4463]

This is how Nintendo gets half of their money, by suing people, lots of people.

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

Nintendo just Gonna be Ubisoft Japan insult gamers communicate dissatisfied quality final product failed quadruple A games feel low quality produced can't tell what feel game title received backlash not move on fix instead official tantrum shut new game down from different dev when Pokemon dev gonna bother impression Palworld discussion dev Palworld fair use after took down fan game. Nintendo could sue Genshin earlier before release global to Ongoing award categories everyyear.

[@Moshugaani]

@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 I felt like having a stroke while reading this

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

@@Moshugaani simple?

[@ancientone5903]

Had the Copyright Laws in Japan have been updated years ago, Nintendo would not have gotten into these insane lawsuits in the first place... The Government of Japan deserves a wake-up call in the case of the outdated Copyright Laws, they have to come to the understanding that they have to update them.

[@mariogallego5513]

@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 uhhh.....what

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

Software patents were a mistake

[@terrysyvertson9205]

no they aren't

[@MumboJumboZXC]

@@terrysyvertson9205he means game mechanic patents

[@JoseHernandez-xv2bt]

@@terrysyvertson9205ok Nintendo ceo

[@leaderteammimikyu3024]

I hate it

[@gilgazack9403]

@@terrysyvertson9205 they are LMAO, we lost having minigames in loading screens because of it

[@awsm253]

The fact that Pokemon/Nintendo is trying to sue Palworld out of the market is just a red flag of them being incapable of making a decent contender. Because I'll be frank. If they released a game like Palworld, with similar mechanics (Let's say you found a town, build up a gym, gather stores, well known trainers etc) and made it with pure love. It'd leave Palworld in the dirt. But instead of that. They're just trying to get rid of the only title capable of rivaling them.

[@SolstaceWinters]

My friends were talking about this a few days back. They cited a couple of the "game mechanics" in question as " _Mounting_ " (such as to ride a pal [I mean have you seen some of them?]) and " _throwing a ball to summon and fight_ " (such as to summon a pal to battle for you, regardless of circumstances). The terms I'm using in quotes and parenthesis are both paraphrased, as it is actually in legal-ese but you get the idea. I think this sets a VERY dangerous precedent. Sorry, Literally Every Game Ever, Pokemon invented riding on... an animal ( _shrugs helplessly_ ).... you'll just have to walk to the Greybeards as you play Skyrim on your TI99 Calculator, or whatever. Can't ride pigs in Minecraft (or hell, a Minecart, can't be having that!). And we gotta be careful! Final Fantasy, don't you know you aren't allowed to creatively summon those monsters to fight for you using that flashy animation where those green orbs with flames in them appear from the summoner? That's a ball you "toss" out, then a creature appears to fight for you! That's Pokemon's idea! They'll take you to court for less than that! Digimon, you... exist! (I know nothing about Digimon, but I've watched a Smash or Pass about it from Drawfee, very funny watch) It's all absurd, but literally the more power you give *_THE SINGLE RICHEST MEDIA FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD_* an _inch_ of wiggle room... they'll see how far they can stretch it. And they'll lie and cheat to get themselves as many more inches as they can. Pokemon as a company has been sitting on their asses, languishing on that property for far, *_FAR_* too long. The last few entries have been progressively worse. I'm genuinely ashamed my brother blindly spent $240+ REAL DOLLARS on Scarlet/Violet just because he thought it'd be neat to give a copy each to the folks in the house.... I wasn't even sure yet if I wanted it... and I was leaning no. I should have said no. I've seen raw cake dough more baked than that game. FIDOUGH is more cooked than that game! A company THAT LARGE has no excuse to make a game that shoddily constructed. And I actually do love Pokemon, it's why I keep unfortunately coming back. I keep hoping it will be better. It just hasn't been. (Legends Arceus was pretty alright though.)

[@carlosfred8673]

If people begin patenting game mechanics, indie game creators may get locked out of entire genres.

[@aseroxd]

That might be the whole point. The mistake these big companies made was not taking indie developers seriously enough. Now they are grasping wildly to try and get back the market share they lost.

[@TheNeoVid]

"We patented the game mechanic of throwing balls! We're coming for Madden next!"

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

Any bowling game: OH NO!

[@johansvensson833]

it way more compicated than you can look your self the patent is on the internet

[@loop2743]

Didn't we establish that you can't patent game mechanics? Like, I think PUBG tried this with Fortnite and it failed.

[@syphse920]

You can't in the USA, or GB, or the EU, etc Japan doesn't have laws around the patent of universal game mechanics, so we'll have to see how this goes.

[@silverwing5254]

Ummm... Actually it was the opposite. WB patented the Nemesis system quite a while ago and that patent is still on the books.

[@danielleasewala2225]

WB patented the nemesis system awhile back and it's still on the books. Ontop of that this is all compounded further by it being between to japnesse companys which means what matters is the copy right laws in japan which are famously not friendly to the person on the wrong end of them.

[@emeraldguy10]

@@silverwing5254 Has anyone brought them to court over it? Or have they brought anyone to court over it? You can get away with copyrighting and patenting things in the US that shouldn't be accepted and will fall apart if ever contested. Assuming they haven't had to defend that patent yet, I'd imagine they're using the threat of being a massive company to dissuade others from trying.

[@weebymcweaberson8145]

I don’t agree with the patent for the Nemesis system but at LEAST it was something innovative. Nintendo are literally trying to patent “Catching a creature in a ball” and “Riding around on creatures”

[@decusq]

Palworld was just in negotiations with Sony music and Aniplex to start making Merchandise, franchise the brand, possibly roll out a new anime or shorts and even do charity work. Nintendo picked an INTERESTING time to lay down the lawsuit upon them. Not even serving the lawsuit in private, they flat out announced they were going to file for patent infringement without even talking to PocketPair first. Meaning they want this to be a spectacle and they want people to see what happens to them. Nintendo's Pokemon thrives in 3 areas, the Game, the Anime and the Merchandise which makes a majority of Pokemon sales. When Nintendo saw PocketPair starting to do all three, they acted NOW. Meaning Nintendo feels threatened by the smallest possibility that Pokemon's Culture phenomenal sales now grossing over 100 billion dollars could be threatened even by a little. This isn't just petty, it's straight up bullying the competition, one that even admired Pokemon as the director of PocketPair stated.

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

Exactly, it's not about artistic integrity as some fanboys have deluded themselves into thinking but cold hard cash

[@HarbingerYT]

The laugh about this is that Game Freak weren't the first to try the Monster Taming genre. Shin Megami Tensei did it first.

[@HarbingerYT]

On top of that, the outcome of this will affect the market. Nintendo has a high chance to win this, because they can afford to just bleed their opposition dry with legal fees until they submit to their will. If they win (which is likely), then it means they're legally allowed to destroy any form of competition that pops up, which will have a massive domino effect on the games industry.

[@jynxcloudy6969]

The comment on Anubis just being lucario always irks me. Anubis is based off an Egyptian jackal. Lucario is also based on jackals. They share an inspiration, yes. But that does not mean that one ripped the other off

[@Zontar82]

This, but neither craptendo nor its idiotics fanboys will ever understand that

[@SockFullOfCatLitter]

Nintendo better sue Doctor Who for Sutekh's latest appearance now, I guess.

[@bobbywamsley4828]

You gotta remember too, Nintendo is really quick to be litigious. If there was even a microscopic whiff of a chance of those designs of pals being too close, Pocket Pair would've been nuked from orbit three months or less after the game launch. Instead, Nintendo went after patents, their best chance at winning

[@TSMO915]

Are they gonna sue the other Monster Tamers game too ? Like Digimon, Monster Ranchers, All the other knockoffs at Steam, Apple Store and Google Play… Sue them all if you dare. Waiting for one of them to counter-sue the Nintendo for at least defamation.

[@andypants1062]

The thing is none of those examples have you aiming and throwing a ball to capture said monsters

[@matteste]

Or, should Atlus sue Nintendo for copying them?

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@andypants1062Does Nexomon and TemTem really not count just because their "balls" are square or flat? The mechanics are exactly the same.

[@TrashComments]

Just when we thought we were going to be in the clear, Nintendo swoops in to screw it all up

[@terrysyvertson9205]

Nintendo does own the patent right for capturing creatures in balls mechanic

[@firehedgehog1446]

@@terrysyvertson9205 A Patent they filed AFTER Palworld was released. If Nintendo is gonna retroactively sue Palworld for that then they may as well sue Square Enix (Dragon Quest & World of Final Fantasy) Oh wait, they CAN'T because Dragon Quest predates Pokemon, whoever created Digimon, i'm not sure who else

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

@@firehedgehog1446 not to mention pokemon copied designs from dragon quest anyway

[@Savaris96]

I love how this literally confirms what everyone with a solid head on their shoulders said when Nintendo Fanboys and wannabe lawyers were calling for lawsuits over the designs of Palworld If they could have, they would have Going instead with a broad game mechanic is grasping at straws so badly, that im schocked that they didnt try to do the design one

[@ultimamage3]

And they've only started to go after Pocketpair when they partnered with Sony for merchandising and a possible anime.

[@bobbywamsley4828]

I've been saying the same thing too, Nintendo is ridiculously litigious especially if their copyrightable designs are used to make money. If anything came even a micrometer too close to being similar, Nintendo would come out of the shadows and nuke Pocket Pair from orbit within three months after launch. Yet people say they don't understand why they didn't go after copyright because the game was dubbed as Pokemon with guns. Totally ignoring the fact that something as popular as Pokemon would be the closest thing, besides ARK which isn't as popular, to PalWorld. The two games aren't even in the same genre technically

[@MrIgnitos]

If Nintendo wins this lawsuit, then We the Angry Mob MUST Boycott all Nintendo products until at least all of Palworld's lost income is regained.

[@sirrdapo1882]

Nintendo FUCMING sucks now honostly unless your somebody that doesn’t shower you’ll still play Pokemon

[@Ryan1993uk]

Nintendo are gonna come out of this as the Bad guys...

[@dragumkirisute1998]

They have always been like that, nothing changes with them. Ever.

[@danielleasewala2225]

We're on what........time their going to finally learn their lesson number twelve atleast? This is what they do and they have enough money and pull to get away with it just like any other large company.

[@doomguy6913]

Depends on who you ask. Most Nintendo fans seem to think the company can do no wrong. While everyone else is like "Wow, that's a really shitty thing to do as a company." The cycle has repeated over and over again.

[@danielleasewala2225]

@@doomguy6913 I've just accepted that their disney. A shitty company that i'm never going to stop supporting because i like their products and they have a stranglehold on my childhood.

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

At some point...there has to be a downfall.

[@UltraAthlete1011]

I didn't know pokemon owned the patent on animals

[@Zontar82]

for nintendo fanboys, they own the patent to oxygen, apparently

[@neocaron87]

I think they couldn’t go after Palworld for the monster designs, because they themselves got "inspired" by Dragon Quest monster designs for the original Pokémon. That would definitely come up in court if they tried. So, they decided to take a sneakier approach, using a precedent like the Crazy Taxi vs. Simpsons: Hit & Run case to improve their chances of winning which centers around the idea of patented game mechanics.

[@laurencefraser]

Thing is... patents are generalley Substantially Less fuzzy than copyright, thus easier to not violate if you're actually trying not to... and easier to invalidate if they turn out to be nonsensical garbage.

[@dhgmrz17]

@@laurencefraser Also it's more difficult to change gameplay elements than design elements. Pocketpair could easily redesign all the Pals in probably less than a month to avoid copyright. However redesigning whole gameplay systems is far more trickier. Even then you still wouldn't even know if the changed gameplay is far enough removed from the patent unless you ended up making an entirely new game.

[@gar_ee8884]

you have to be blind to think pokemon designs are rip offs of dragon quests designs, taking inspiration on the same lore creatures is not the same thing as ripping assets from pokemon and frankensteining them into your own versions using some shitty AI slop generator. this will just be the first of probably many lawsuits, not sure why everyone thinks these are one and done all or nothing packed deal things. They can sue them over every single aspect of the game.

[@XrayDVD]

@@gar_ee8884I feel like the minority here for seeing it the same way as you.

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

​@@gar_ee8884 Yes, they can sue over anything, that doesn't mean Nintendo has a leg to stand on in any of this. There is also literally zero proof that Palworld devs used AI or that they stole models.

[@John117M63]

Nintendo gonna sue Astrobot next for being a platformer

[@v5hr1ke]

Platformer? Celeste? Terraria? GEOMETRY DASH!?

[@Takato2527]

@@v5hr1ke then EA will sue every single RPG Nintendo owned. Don't get me wrong, EA can suck my c-, but they bought Origin Systems, the dev who made Ultima series. Oh yeah, Wizard of The Coast will sue tons of RPG inspired by D&D

[@johansvensson833]

platformes existed long before nintendo even made games so

[@loki.odinson]

Good. Keep calling Nintendo out on how ludicrous this is. They deserve to be taken down a peg and a big fat L for this. I'm tired of their lawyers threatening and bullying gamers and the gaming industry. It needs to stop.

[@internetfrnd6496]

It’s just sad. Nintendos been coasting on like the same 4 IPs for decades. When someone comes in and does it better - they get upset. I hope Nintendo gets humbled and loses.

[@HageanFQ]

Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, and who?

[@CRAgamer]

Chances are they know they can't win so they're just gonna drag out the lawsuit until the palworld devs run out of money.

[@Jordan-qf6eh]

Fire emblem maybe? ​@@HageanFQ

[@NeonIcyWings]

Lol, lmao even. They have more than just 4 (four) IPs that have been successful, I mean, unless you're implying it was three before Splatoon came out. And really, I think the AI generation loving company that's been ripping off design and mechanics from other companies for years now, before Pal World was a thing even, should be humbled rather than the company that took the failure of the Wii U with humility and had the upper execs take pay cuts instead of firing people. Hate a company sure, but don't be ignorant while doing it.

[@internetfrnd6496]

@@NeonIcyWings Fair. I think I’m more just frustrated than anything. Caused me to speak out of my neck lol. Like - how is Nintendo not gonna put any of their official OSTs on any streaming platforms while also simultaneously copy-write striking people who upload the OSTs to KZbin for example? It just kills me tbh.

[@og_3rd_st_saint_gat]

The nintendo yakuza is going to lose the only way they have a chance is if they buy the jury to take their side

[@terrysyvertson9205]

Nintendo will win the lawsuit, Nintendo patented the mechanic of capturing creatures in balls

[@MrWhateverfits]

Nintendo knows they are a Japanese icon and so they will get the bias and favor in the lawsuit.

[@GoofyPoptart]

Dude....No they won't you're dumb asf if you truly think that.

[@danielleasewala2225]

They'll win like they have all the others. It's nintendo suing a japanesse company in japan. They don't need to bribe the jury to be on their side, their a cultural icon with significant pull in the political and business sphere and a long history of literal yakuza business partners. Doing anything but settling is suicide for pocket pair as they don't have the money or support to win this.

[@deathringer1003]

​@@terrysyvertson9205dude ur either a Nintendo employee or a unhinged fan that thinks Nintendo can do no wrong or ur a bot bc i see u in basically every comment saying the same stuff over an over again

[@LadySagitar]

I feel Palworld is closer to Ark Survival than Pokemon

[@ZombieRabbitStudios]

sshh, dont tell them about the cryo pods in Ark.

[@bobbywamsley4828]

It's to the point PalWorld is an entirely different genre than Pokemon which is funny

[@Bobrob1597]

What I wanna know is what “damages” throwing a ball caused to Nintendo.

[@commode7x]

Every dollar you give to Nintendo is a third of a dollar towards attacking developers of games people actually like.

[@vektracaslermd743]

I'm so done with Nintendo. The anti-fun company.

[@thenesmaster9708]

Wow, a crybaby for Nintendo. Being done with them before Super Mario Party Jamboree or M&L Brothership. If you're gonna be like that then get off KZbin.

[@thenesmaster9708]

Also, he is NOT an anti fun company. Get it right

[@ProfessorDreamer]

You sure you're going to keep your word and I have a feeling that you'll still buy their games.

[@mariokarter13]

Yeah, I'm just gonna stick with my $700 Sony brick with no games.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

People will still defend Nintendo and then buy their Switch2. Heck, I didn't buy Switch but I still emulated and pirate their game on Yuzu before they shot that down. I still want the games but I still hate their fucking guts.

[@OkuuRaven]

You might want to look into some of the patents Nintendo created AFTER Palworld's release. You will likely notice what the intention of creating those patents are.

[@elitemanning_2-0]

then 3-4 weeks AFTER the game died when helldivers 2 came out

[@johansvensson833]

yes looked my self and a lot of them were last year also

[@Sparticulous]

Yep. Bad precedent if allowed. Every big company could choose to patent troll after this case

[@elitemanning_2-0]

should look into how fast palworld died instead

[@Sparticulous]

@@elitemanning_2-0 palworld is a single player game. Not a free to play with skins and casino magic

[@BradStarnes]

Jade Cocoon, Nexomon, Shin Megami Tensei, Monster Rancher, Monster Sanctuary, Ni No Kuni, Yo-Kai Watch, Dragon Quest Monsters. And that's off the top of my head. They don't own the "monster capturing" genre and if they're not suing for copyright then it feels like they're attempting to say they own the genre, which would be an idiot argument. They're just mad Palworld was successful and made them look bad.

[@four-en-tee]

Nintendo's REALLY been pushing their luck lately

[@samc9133]

Got it, so Nintendo's financial strategy is to release the same game 100 times, then when someone else actually puts in the effort to make a good game that doesn't even use their IP, they'll just take their competitor's money away via lawsuits. I will not give money to companies like Nintendo anymore. I'll check in maybe in 2034 and see if Nintendo is behaving themselves - until then, I bid Mario, Zelda, and Ash a fond farewell.

[@jpks4582]

at 10:00 that is not even how the real pokemon looks, that is a fan art of how a mega delphox would look like

[@DarkstarArchangel]

I wonder why Nintendo never sued Digimon for having similarities (like Evolutions).

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

Digimon was never a real competitor

[@danielleasewala2225]

Because digimon isn't trying to compete with them. They started as a virtual pet franchise and still exist to this day as that, everything else was secondary to the V-pets and infact the anime was originally made to be a glorified commerical that got very popular so it stuck around. Also because nintendo has a lot of money and political clout.....but not enough to want to get into a pissing match with bandai.

[@clarehidalgo]

Because Digimon is a spin off of Tamagotchi, Tamagotchi has different creature stages too. Not to mention Tamagotchi came out the same years as Pokemon. Pokemon February 1996 and Tamagotchi November 1996, aka they were in development at the same time

[@doomguy6913]

Wasn't very competitive, or successful.

[@Zontar82]

@@Mapple-qp6yg that means shit, only because is not a competitor it doesn't mean you can't sue them.

[@otapic]

that bit with the models overlapping has been debunked week 1 of palworld's early access release. we already know the original poster stretched and scaled the models on purpose so that it lines up. the actual polygons were never the same

[@XrayDVD]

Then look at them yourself. Make your own judgment. They an AI frankenstein mismatch

[@mkiller1001]

​@@XrayDVD go check the original Dragon Quest monsters then. Pokémon ripped them off as well.

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

​@@XrayDVD do you have any proof of this?

[@PicketPolecat]

@@XrayDVD The game was in development since before 2021 complete with a trailer that featured several of the creatures in question, DALL-E only barely existed to the public in that timeframe and was extremely limited in its capabilities It's just classic plagiarism, that shit existed well before AI

[@samc9133]

​@@XrayDVDOkay, I made my own judgment. Very much so inspired by but not enough to sue. If comic book companies can rip off the creators of various comic book heroes by changing the design slightly, so can Palworld. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Igarappappa]

Honestly surprised. I thought Nintendo realized there wasn't anything to sue over, but now they are and it's over something like THIS? Were their lawyers bored?

[@User_Unknown86]

Probably realized they couldn't get them for copyright, so they went the patent route. Since Nintendo has 6000+ on file, maybe they think one of them has to stick.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

Nintendo's guts and greed really is something demonic. By the Primarch...

[@dudebruh8534]

Of course Nintendo's lawyers aren't bored. They're suing somebody every day if not writing cease and desist letters.

[@emeraldguy10]

Pokemon Legends ZA comes out next year. They're attempting to soften the market. They don't even have to win the lawsuit to do so. Pocketpair is a small company. Money they spend on defending themselves legally is money they can't invest in more palworld development.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@@emeraldguy10 Then I hope Nintendo gets bad rep during the launch of it or gets some problems with the launch of the game, if it is the buggy launch and samey old games they've made in the past... I swear, if they released another buggy mess like Scarlet/Violet...

[@Garaa0fTheRage]

11:28 Those models were found to be tampered with directly from the twitter page of the person.

[@sirrdapo1882]

THIS IS WHY YOU PIRATE NINTENDO GAMES

[@DukeSmiley]

Imagine if palworld wasn't successful, would Nintendo even bother to sue? 😂

[@Gildorify]

This is blatantly done by Nintendo to hurt Pocketpair financially. This is how mega corporations fight smaller studios and indies. They would rather stomp on the competition that could hurt them in long term, rather than just focus on making good games. Honestly, if you want to support Pocketpair, buy Palworld. Right now they need money to fight this stupid lawsuit.

[@joeykeilholz925]

They certainly don't want good games to be made for Pokémon anymore. Minimum effort for maximum profit and anyone making a vaguely similar kind of game will be murdered in cold blood by these sycophants.

[@hilkmeister1382]

I only know US law as an enjoyer of the topic so I do not know any of the peculiarities of Japanese PATENT law. We can reasonably infer however they are NOT suing over the similar likeness in characters as that falls under Intellectual Property (IP). This is also not copyright (factually incorrect for YongYea to say it is Copyright, they are 2 separate things) as Nintendo says they are suing under Patent law and not Copyright law. Nintendo suing for PATENT violation presumes that Palworld is very similar in GAMEPLAY or other underlying systems or mechanics such as net code, server architecture or any other piece of technology that can be patented. To differentiate Patent from Copyright or IP is a high level thing but tldr: Copyright is the right to copy a already created thing, IP is the ownership of an artistic thing, and Patent is the ownership of a technical thing. But that they are suing under PATENT law may mean a few things: 1) Palworld's creators have ex-Nintendo employees who utilized things from their time at Nintendo in Palworld (code, server architecture, processes, etc.) 2) Nintendo is fishing; This is not a serious claim and are trying drown their competition in legal costs. 3) Nintendo is making a survival Pokémon game (copying palworld) and want to eliminate their competition. What I think, that if Palworld's development team is 100% certain that point 1 is false then they need to countersue for legal fees and highlight how Nintendo may just be employing anticompetitive practices.

[@emeraldguy10]

Law in each system is close enough that if they're suiting over patent, it's not about character design. That's copyright infringement in japan too. I think you're spot on with number 2. Pokemon Legends ZA comes out next year. This very well could be a move to soften the market for it's release. It doesn't really need to succeed either, seeing as Pocketpair is a relatively small company. Money being used to defend against a lawsuit is likely to dig into development funds.

[@megamask3158]

The fact we don’t know what this patent is tells me it’s probably something so stupid even the fanboys are gonna have a hard time defending it. Going for a patent lawsuit is just comedic irony, Pokemon has definitely never looked at a feature from other games and said “I’m gonna do that”, nope, just pure originality.

[@logicgate3172]

Palworld was successful BECAUSE they did not copy game mechanics from Pokémon. It offered what many fans thought the genre was not taking advantage of. A decade of laziness and stagnation should not justify Nintendo going for the throat of innovation, especially when it could have damaging legal implications on the industry as a whole. Fans of Nintendo, and of gaming in general, should remind Nintendo who really pays the bills. Allowing and rewarding this type of behavior will not lead to better games or a better Nintendo.

[@Thordrel]

Too little, too late Nintendo.

[@galvanizeddreamer2051]

If this is seriously considered by any judge, it's going to be more than just this game that's going to be under threat. The fact that PP wasn't even notified of what patents they are supposedly infringing immediately tells me N is doing this in bad faith with intent to harm, not for genuine legal protective reasons. Regardless, that +60mil in liquid capital is going to come in handy.

[@trathanstargazer6421]

"For all the wrong reasons" implies that there is a right reason to sue Palworld.

[@laurencefraser]

There are 'understandable, even if we don't like it and it might not work out' reasons and there are 'blatantly nonsensical and they're just being dicks about it' reasons.

[@Feliciathedoll]

​@@laurencefraserAgreed. They're suing them for PATENT reasons, not COPYRIGHT reasons. Seriously why are people these days so stupid and blind????

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

Exactly. Pocketpair hasn't done anything wrong, people are choosing to make long strides in comparing the creatures because The Pokemon Company has such a grip on everything. What I hate the most is that out of the few pals that can be considered "pokemon copies" there's like 50 others that get ignored because they don't fit the narrative of being easily compared to any pokemon.

[@seltersaar3512]

Well, there are dumb but understandable types of reasons (like Nintendo getting upset over the devs drawing too much inspiration from pokemon designs), and then there are dumb and... dumb reasons like what we have before us.

[@ancientone5903]

You wish to know what's even far more wrong then Nintendo suing Palworld? The fact that the Japanese Government hasn't even update their Copyright Laws for the past 20 years. Fair Use needs to exist in Japan and this is exactly what The Japanese Government has to do.

[@nicholashayes5773]

I disagree with your take. There have been many monster-collecting games over the years that never got sued. We need to wait until we find out exactly what Nintendo is targeting before jumping to conclusions.

[@gregoryosbun4141]

True, but if it's indeed what we all think it is, that lawsuit will get dismissed.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

This is why it's always ethical to pirate Nintendo games. They never fail to reinforce this fact.

[@PillzmansFox]

I love how every time someone brings up some pals are the exact same as pokemon they pring up pals like pengullet, whos a blue penguin, because pokemon is the only group that has a blue penguin. Or Anubis based on the Egyptian god anubis directly while lucario is based off a Jackal

[@adummy9664]

Not to mention every time the Grintale/Meowth comparison is made it's always ignored that both are based on the Cheshire Cat.

[@sadfatdragon9529]

Lets not forget Pokemon had literaly fucking pink lawn flamingo.

[@bobbywamsley4828]

If any of those designs came anywhere close to being too much like pokemon, Nintendo would flip their lid and nuke Pocket Pair out of existence within three months after launch. Seeing as they haven't and instead are going after generic game mechanics that could be interpreted as fishing, it seems they're grasping at straws and are just butthurt an indie company is doing better

[@Skarlet_Sun]

Palworld will have my financial support as soon as it releases on playstation

[@johansvensson833]

will never happen now sony wants nothing to do with this mess

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

​@@johansvensson833 they released a trailer for Palworld today bud. Look it up

[@guzzoscorner]

​@@johansvensson833 Five days after the comment, it did come to Playstation 5 🥳

[@T34rl3ss]

Its gonna be the end of video gaming if this goes through because what this means is someone makes a new gaming genre and any other company who wants to participate in this new genre is not allowed to do it because a game of the same genre is obviously having mostly the same mechanics. So it will end up that only 1 company per genre is allowed to exist.

[@chernobyl169]

Imagine if PlayerUnknown had patent rights to battle royale games

[@DragonChapFluff]

My prediction, They're going to use Legends Arceus against them.

[@drancon101]

From a PR perspective, this is a really bad decision. This just gives people more reason to hate Nintendo. I don't care what your allegiances are, no one or entity should be able to own the rights to an idea. The same goes for game mechanics. Just because they have bottomless pockets, doesn't mean they can own the monster/creature capture genre, or any other game mechanic. Same goes to any other company. They're only suing Palworld because they're grasping at straws, and this is the only thing they can legally do to get after Palworld. I hope Palworld wins. This lawsuit will be damaging to their image, and I hope at least if Palworld doesn't win, I hope that Nintendo's Image gets a big hit in the end. A sort of eye for an eye situation.

[@toukoenriaze9870]

this lawsuit would be damaging to the entire games industry if nintendo won ngl

[@drancon101]

I agree. It's certainly a dangerous precedent, one that would only favor big companies and those who have deep pockets.

[@wyattderp9719]

After playing Palworld I thought the game mechanics more closely resembled Ark Survival with Pokemon style creatures.

[@cbirdman]

Nintendo realized it’s hard to win a lawsuit based on art style so they decided to find anything they could to sue over. Art almost needs to be an exact copy in order to win any type of suit.

[@Se05239]

Kinda ironic that Nintendo would sue over a game mechanic cause they themselves ain't that original in the matter.

[@andreasvonflotow]

I am going to make a game file a Patent for my game mechanic. The mechanic requires the player to look at screen

[@shadowmasstitan344]

What? Palworld is more ARK game mechanics than Pokemon?🤔

[@clarehidalgo]

Yeah it is Ark with cute anime monsters instead of dinosaurs