Nintendo Sues Palworld: Corporate Lawyer Reveals the Unexpected Twist

[@Hiraethlaw]

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[@DudeSoWin]

Nintendo does not Publish to PC and if it did would be a separate purchase. Therefor all patents are void. If anything Palworld should sue to release on the Nintendo Switch.

[@JuanRodriguez-yq5og]

They need to stop being lazy with their pokemon game.

[@nakishodoglitterfox]

Well then every FPS game needs to sue Nintendo back

[@ByoKora775]

Nintendo is making themselves out as a villain and makes me bring into question their ties to the Yakuza

[@Saajix93]

I want to point out another game that predates these nintendo patents, caftopia also by pocket pair, uses 2 or 3 of the patents that were allegedly infringed on. In fact as far as mounts go WoW had a very similar mechanic since 2006 that they have expanded on, wizard 101 had mounts, pirate 101 has mounts, every MMORPG has mounts that do exactly or similarly to what's alleged. As for capture mechanics ghost busters, slime rancher, monster ranch, craftopia, and catomon I think is what it's called it's something mon, all use the vague almost identical capturing mechanics. But I also want to point out that palworld is on everything except the switch, and pokemon is only on the switch or nintendo platform. So they don't even directly compete, which means the people who got it weren't going to buy a switch just for pokemon, or the people who play pokemon aren't going to just buy and ps5, xbox sx, or a pc just to play palworld. Meaning no fans were taken from nintendo directly as a result of palworld being launched. Nintendo also had 3 or 4 years to do due diligence before palworld launched, that should immediately void the lawsuit. 3rd I want pocket pair to counter sue nintendo for blatant anti competition violations, anti trust laws, and anti consumer practices.

[@ZeroXSEED]

Why does people keep bringing "Anubis vs Lucario" when Anubis is basically a freaking public domain character with established design cues, being ancient god and all There are MORE example that can be used without sounding like uneducated dip

[@QuizMasterEntertainment]

Because Lucario was inspired on Egyptian jackal guardias and Anubis pretty much has the same type of animations Lucario has. No joke, if they would have given Anubis a kophesh sword, the whole issue would have been over, there was no effort to make it feel different.

[@indiana47]

​@@QuizMasterEntertainment Well the both use boxing moves because boxing originated in Egypt Weird to give a boxer a sword. Edit: accidentally put Japan instead of Egypt, oops.

[@QuizMasterEntertainment]

@@indiana47 And Anubis happens to be Egyptian and has nothing to do with martial arts, literally no argument there bud.

[@indiana47]

@@QuizMasterEntertainment Yes argument, the concept is Anubis + boxer. Has something to do with martial arts. Combining two things together with a common theme is a common thing for pals and pokemon. Lucario and Anubis both have Anubis + boxing with the common theme being Egypt as their concept.

[@QuizMasterEntertainment]

@@indiana47 And they still could have made it have a different style of animations, there's no defending it. Lucario is a Jackal with martial arts, Anubis is also a Jackal with martial arts. Concept is the same even if they don't look like each other, so there's no way to deny the inspiration.

[@Shaladue]

I hope Nintendo loses the case.

[@cupcake.exetheskunk5237]

me too there just jealous cause its on more than one console there like oh no something that people like lets try to force them to get rid of it in the end Nintendo are gonna have so much haters I respect palworld

[@ThomasHill-jc4di]

never buy anything from big greed companies from japan they have zero empathy on indie japaneses.

[@fangslore9988]

they likely will since Sony is involved backing pocketpair

[@rahuldey8539]

Lose is not a W, The real W is Nintendo losing billions of dollars.

[@heroshadow42]

If Nintendo wins, I'll have to warn my wife to get her fill of the games we already have and no new ones. Once we finish or get as far as we feel, I'll then have to look into the process of selling the Switches and games and stick to Steam and Mobile. Already deciding no new Pokemon while the lawsuit is going on, maybe change minds if Nintendo loses.

[@tiamatnotrealname3084]

anubis VS lucario is a really bad example. because anubis is also real mythology with several arts depicting appearance similar to palworld's anubis. like how gyarados is basically just a chinese dragon. so any creature that resembles a chinese dragon they could claim as copying gyarados when its not.

[@electrobob992]

YUP even shenron from dragonball would be a gyarados rip off.

[@abigaile3954]

@@electrobob992 other way around gyarados is a ripoff of shenron if either one is

[@qaaris4280]

Finally, somebody else says it. This has been my most common explanation for half of the things that were "stolen" from Pokemon. Direhound is just a wolf. Lamball is just a lamb. Anubis is an Egyptian deity.

[@garf02]

There is a difference between Concept and striking similar visual likeness and body shape.

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

People point at Jormuntide and scream Gyarados ripoff, when it's based on Jormungandr.

[@fahlur]

A patent infringement IS NOT a copyright infringement.

[@kingstrojek9937]

A patent they made after Palworlds release

[@XxvaultlegendxX]

there are some who believe nintendo is only doing this to shut up the toxic, hardcore fanboys who were screaming bloody murder when palworld came out and frankly, im hoping that is the case.....because if this 'case' succeeds....it will fuck gaming up as a whole

[@Garahs]

Nintendo would be a fool to lose its patents on a lawsuit if they intended to lose.

[@ChiefBodo-ns5kr]

@@kingstrojek9937 They renewed the patent (Catching things) not made it after, this can easily be found, plus Pocket Pairs other game Craftopia has the same mechanic but they not chasing that one xD

[@cptncutleg]

​@@kingstrojek9937it's a kind of child-patent, originally it was a collection granted in 2019. Which is still after Pocketpair's 2018 Craftopia had those mechanics.

[@tiamatnotrealname3084]

the patent lawsuit sets a HORRIBLE precedent if they succeed. that means that any concept that shares a similarity with an earlier patent but also expands on that design with new features, could be retroactively sued after the original patent owner creates a new game with similar features and then later update their patent to include these features that didnt exist when the competition released their designs. this also means palworld could issue a counter patent and prevent pokemon from ever letting you gain full control over mounts. pokemon doesnt give you access to the active skills list of the mount. they are just transports with 1 unique ability that is not connected to any learned skills.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

Yeah well... They could have made the game in the U.S.. This stuff wouldn't fly in a U.S. court. I wonder if there is some way they can become a U.S. company and sell the game that way.

[@Krysnha]

Agree, totaly agree, any judge that actualy care the legal sistem with just seen the dates of the launch of palworld and the date of the patent, would said no, dismiss the lawsuit and that is it

[@YourWaterDispenser]

as pirate software said in the voice of corporations: WASD is mine now gamers

[@Jason-b9t]

This isn't the first time a Japanese game company has sued other companies over patents, and it's not the first time Nintendo has done this. Therefore, this can actually only be regarded as a relatively major event, but in terms of "precedents", Japan has a lot of "precedents" that point out that you can do this. As far as I know, there have been four major game patent lawsuits in Japan in at least the past 10 years. It takes more than 5 years for them to come to a conclusion, or it usually takes more than 3 years for the two parties to settle. However, there has been no lawsuit that has resulted in the game being unsaleable. The worst thing you could lose is that you cannot use the patent and have to modify the game mechanism. But this happens to be the result of the settlement between Nintendo and colopl after the previous patent lawsuit.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

it also threatens all monster capturing games.

[@Cjpaulbeck]

I think patenting such broad game mechanics shouldn’t be allowed. It like saying I patent turn based combat, or consumption of items during a pause menu, or menu with suspended time.

[@pocketsizedweeb]

Or minigames in loading screens... Oh wait...

[@IamCoalfoot]

If Nintendo wins, there is _so much_ of the games industry that will fall apart...

[@Saulram91]

End of the day patents shouldn't be able to cover game mechanics and shows the usual reason of why government needs to stay out of things. These patent approvals show they do not understand games and game design. Ever game released including all of Nintendo recent ones were built of the back of others designs and game mechanics.

[@nashineworks8318]

THIS

[@ZexyAdventures]

Didn't Palworld come out BEFORE pokemon registered these patents?

[@jackel999]

well the 3 patents were originally filed in 2021, but were Updated every year(hence why it says 2024), though potentially pocket pair could point out that Arceus wasn't the First game to use Any of the patented concepts.

[@Leo3oooX]

Doesn't matter, Nintendo rules the game indrustry in japan, they can do whatever they want.

[@G0ttaSmashTh3mAll]

​@@Leo3oooX sadly that's true. Nintendo in Japan is practically their country's sugar daddy, so many favoritism are going to be on Nintendo. However, I still think Palworld has a winning chance. They just need to be smart about it. Many people discussed the various ways they could win this case.

[@ThomasHill-jc4di]

craftopia was the 1st in 2020. Nintendo being thieves in 2021

[@fangslore9988]

the original patent was never officially granted which is why they subdivided it into 3 and no, its likely the court will say "you registered these patents in a retaliatory fashion and so we do not feel your acting in good faith but clearly acting in an anti-competitive nature" or something like that. if worse comes to worse, Sony could probably just buy nintendo since pocketpair is now a major part of sony's future plans to form the palworld company whatever it will be called, and so they'll endeavor to protect it

[@GlitchedVision]

correction: provided your level is high enough in craftopia, you can in fact capture most creatures without combat. The capture systems work almost identically save for the fact that in craftopia , certain bosses require extra steps to capture involving placing and firing harpoon cannons where this is not the case in PalWorld.

[@fangslore9988]

yeah, the court will probably look at craftopia as its existence may invalidate the patents since Nintendo and the Pokemon co must provide evidence thatt they themselves innovated the mechanics themselves without it existing somewhere else and Craftopia launched in 2020

[@cliffordkun2844]

This would be a terrible outcome if Pokèmon wins the lawsuit. If Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, it would be a heartbreaking goodbye to Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Bakugan, Palworld, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Hunter, TemTem, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, Moshi Monsters and other creature franchises especially potential new creature franchises. As a result if Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, we would have to play or buy Pokèmon as our only option because various creature franchises like Digimon and other creature franchises no longer exist.

[@infern209x]

sigh, for the last time you pokemon fanatics, digimon is not a ripoff of pokemon, it is a brand of tamagotchi, v pets, and an anime and manga franchise, the anime came out the same year as pokemon's, just hit the west later, the vpets came out the same year as the pokemon games. the manga v-tamer predates both pokemon's manga and anime. and in all digimon media you do not capture digimon, you usually only have one partner and thats it, and in the digimon story games you don't capture them either, you scan their data and create them yourself from data converted into digieggs, completely different concept. digimon story is more in the style of persona or shin megami tensei. also pokemon ripped off dragon quest and shin megami tensei. pokemon can not go after digimon, theres no case, digimon and bandai would win the case. edit: also digimon hit the west first, its vpets released in america in 1997, pokemon didn't come to america til 1998

[@eternalinsignia]

The problem is not that actually.The problem is become much bigger. Basically if Nintendo win, it basically open pandora box. If you ever want to see a bunch of generic patent which being held by AAA company, there are freaking a lot. One notable patent is Achievement patent which hold by Microsoft. If Nintendo win, I bet this open MS to sue everyone use achievements system if MS see they are nuisance, this include Nintendo and Sony.

[@G0ttaSmashTh3mAll]

​@@eternalinsignia That's exactly what I was thinking; if Nintendo wins this case many companies are going to come out of the woodworks and start suing over their patent infringement. I already seen articles detailing that Sega is preparing to do the same thing. I'm not 100% certain if that's true, but it is concerning.

[@WildKamuran]

@cliffordkun2844 I don't know how you think nintendo would just blatantly destroy every other monster catching/raising genre from targeting one. most of these other games that you would just "up and die" also exists on nintendo hardware....... What are you smoking coz that must be sum good shit for you to spew this extra IQ reducing nonsense from your 2 brain cells fighting 4 last place. Yeah this would be really bad for nintendo to win this, i honestly want palworld to win this cause this is straight up bullying. nintendo needs to up their game not make their competiton cough up sum money that they rightfully made with their own game.

[@fangslore9988]

they likely wont Sony is also involved backing Pocketpair and Sony is a lot larger than nintendo. i bet if worst comes to worse sony will pull out their pocket book and just say "how much are you willing to sell for?"

[@lmclelland2172]

I’m sick of Nintendo and their greed in their corporate bull crap. The reason Pal world is better is because the company has a sense of humor, and because of that sense of humor they’re more popular with the younger generation and will be.

[@Victor-056]

Not just the "Younger Generation", the Older ones too.

[@SpectrumWolf-hd7kf]

Basicly being relatable and understandable vs old gramps trying to act like an edgy teenager to be "hip with the cool kids"

[@pikarret5048]

There is actually two sides of this, In Japan most of Japan hate Pocket Pair because they are letting news out to bash on Nintendo but the Japanese is not taking it. Nintendo has partnered with pokemon like games but Pocket Pair is with Sony and most likely what we can't see refusing to partner with Nintendo.

[@Projolo]

Both sides are greedy, Japanese people want Nintendo to win so they can continue their doujinshi and Nintendo protecting patents.

[@pocketsizedweeb]

I miss Iwata, at least I didn't see how greedy Nintendo was under his watch.

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

TL:DW: Nintendo is trying to kill Palworld because it's easier for them to kill a game that makes Pokemon look bad than it is for them to commit to making Pokemon actually good.

[@KuroNekoNetwork]

Palworld does not make pokemon look bad, heck if anything it makes it look better 😂 I hope pokemon never becomes the boring mess palworld is

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

@@KuroNekoNetwork Copium. Scarlet/Violet are objectively inferior games and Palworld isn't even done yet.

[@EpochMakerCJ]

⁠@@KuroNekoNetworkbud you’re a special kinda “I worry about you”, you probably buy madden/Fifa every year thinking it’s gonna be different.

[@snintendog]

@@KuroNekoNetwork Palworld has more life in it than anything nintendo has made in the last 5 years and 15 years since Gamefreak made anything with Any amount of LIFE.

[@UntoppableToppHat]

​@@KuroNekoNetwork ah yes cause spending 6 hours fighting unbalanced bosses and poor networking service is way more fun then an actual game like Palworld.

[@KuraiYT]

13:57 Guild Wars 2 has the Skimmer mount which can go above or below water and gets a boost of speed while on water and no boost on land. The Skimmer mount was available in 2017.

[@tiamatnotrealname3084]

shrimpy truffle (fishron) mount in terraria, 2015.

[@RikkuEcRud]

So if the patents are valid because they're divisional patents and the parent patents were made before Palworld released, what does it mean that the parent patents were filed _after_ the first Palworld trailer showing those mechanics already in gameplay?

[@williamzeo2493]

Yes because Japan legal system is busted as hell, this never would happen here.

[@snintendog]

Patent Fraud even by japan's laws. ITs VERY CLEAR the first PUBLIC SHOWING is the count down for Patents. Besieds that Craftopia had the mechanic making this triple Fraud on nintendos part.

[@Hiraethlaw]

As far as I could see the first reveal video of 'How to Catch a Pal' came out after the Parent patent was already filed and the initial announcement trailer did not really showcase the capture mechanics.

[@snintendog]

@@Hiraethlaw you don't research much a quick google search will show you the date from the wikis of Jan 19 2021

[@crumzRcrumy]

Nintendo never should have been granted the patent. I hope this whole case gets thrown out, and people see Nintendo for the patent trolls they are on this one. Or pocket pair wins and such mechanics will then be free to use. The mount one is particularly absurd, in my opinion.

[@circledude2362]

1. 18:19 what do you mean japan is palworld's biggest market? Palworld does not make as much money in japan anyway. It's that controversial in japan. 2.Also, fear not. you see, Japan is very strict with patents: You have only one year to file a patent. For those who say "Japan has a first-to-file principle with patents", That will NOT work cause Craftopia didn't just came out before the 2021 parent patent; Craftopia also came out a whole YEAR before that parent patent: craftopia came out in 2020, but the parent patent was filed in 2021. It's true that japan has a "First-to-file" a patent principle, but even THAT is limited by japan's one-year grace period. Meaning by filing this lawsuit, Nintendo has sealed fates of their own patents. 3.YES! you CAN catch animals without going into battle. I ask someone in discord, and it's possible.

[@nazrin992]

Yup, in fact the biggest market for Palworld actually comes from China and US, according to Steam.

[@leonardocastro410]

Nintendo might win in Japan, but USA will side with Palworld.

[@electrobob992]

Yeah.. Personally I hope the worst thing that happens is it just stops being sold in Japan. While it continues to beat Pokemon in the other countries, which would be hilarious tbh xD

[@Victor-056]

Not Just the USA. In Parts of Asia, such as the Phillipines, Palworld is actually starting to outstrip Pokemon. Yeah, turns out, Nintendo can only churn out the same garbage so many times before people start flipping tables.

[@Victor-056]

@@electrobob992 It would be good... And to be frank, I think it is better for Pocket Pair to just bail out of Japan. Leave the Sugar Daddy to the parasites.

[@williamvalorious4403]

@@Victor-056 even if they win, its a lose for Nintendo as...yeah the international out look doesn't apply things retroactively.

[@megaman37456]

@@Victor-056 That's what I've been saying! If PocketPair moved to a place like Brazil (example only) where Nintendo has no power, they could be untouchable.

[@Kratos7560]

Last I heard, Palworlds target audience was the US. Japan can be left in the dust if Nintendo wants to throw a hissy fit. If Nintendo wants to play hardball, they need to realize their competitors can hit them with the same strategy, like sharks smelling blood in the water. They must be humbled if creativity is to proliferate even further.

[@WellWisdom.]

Nintendo has become team rocket.

[@benjaminmacpherson1336]

Hopefully this is a Jessie&James situation for them.

[@Kofkfed]

😆

[@mrconroy4672]

Eh, Sony and Ubisoft are way worse.

[@Victor-056]

@@mrconroy4672 Ubisoft is no contest. It has been rubbish after Asses Creed 3, enter the anus. However, Pocket Pair is being targeted simply because Nintendo is scared of them. The Whole "Endorsed by Sony" was merely an excuse by Nintendo. They want to CRUSH Pocketpair because their game was successful.

[@Victor-056]

Let us just hope we see Nintendo Blast off into the stratosphere all burnt and scuffed up. They could have made their console _Better,_ but instead, they threw a hissy fit that someone had the _gall_ to point out that they cannot play a game on the aging console for various reasons.

[@jackbpace]

The divisional patent thing is a load of crap. Nintendo has so many games they could spin a divisional patent against almost any game released today to try and shut down any creative competition. Nintendo has already damaged their reputation in the eyes of many game players. The mechanics they cited in the divisional patents seem quite broad they could be applied to thousands of games. I hope Nintendo gets slapped down hard.

[@tiamatnotrealname3084]

literally every 'monster catcher openworld' game, regardless if its a turn based, rpg, action, adventure, real time strategy or any other subgenre. 2 of the 3 patents dont even need to be linked to monster catchers. just any 3D game with a 'horse pocket' and mounts of different species with different traits.

[@Lowtech3000]

I dont agree with nintendo on this one, I have loved nintendo growing up but as I get older it feels like they stopped caring over the years

[@WAtheAnum]

Nintendo: Oh you create a fangame/fanremake/game inspired by one of our copyrighted games? Let me get the banhammer... Sega: Oh you work on a fangame/fanremake/game inspired by one of our copyrighted games? Looks pretty good, wanna work for us? This is not even a joke. Im sure here i could count up a lot fangames or similar stuff nintendo did shut down in the past but Sega? Sega doesnt really care, Sega works even with such projects and even there i could count up a lot. I Srsly hope Nintendo loses this lawsuit, else it will be literally hell for every game creator.

[@LimC.A]

money is money lol nintendo just doesnt see it that way they have been screwing over the Emulation scene for like the start of time itself...why doesnt nintendo just remake or remaster it instead of going thru that process? braindead ppl tbh.

[@lordlopes2424]

Ah yeah Go make a fangame from a Sega game that is not Sonic. I dare you.

[@da_001]

@@lordlopes2424 Theres many based on the SMT franchise, they dont care.

[@Victor-056]

@@lordlopes2424 How about you make one on Any Nintendo Game? Oh wait, you never will do anything to offend your "Benelovent" overlords.

[@lordlopes2424]

@@Victor-056 Oh I can,just need to learn how to make games and do it. Thousands and thousands of Mario fan games,and only a few that has adult content get's shut down.

[@C.hrisis]

Skimmers in Guild Wars 2 works exactly like you described, they move slower on ground that on water or under water.

[@PotatoBagel23]

All this time, people still misread the first patent. I'm not trying to be mean about this, but word choice is deliberate. Yes, the patent exists for P:LA to throw a pokeball at a wild pokemon to either catch/battle. However, in the patent itself, the distinction between the two is laid out already, with a direct form of switching between. One could argue that Palworld does not do this. In P:LA the control scheme for both options is the exact same, and the determinant is pressing the X button to switch the menu. In Palworld, throwing a Pal Sphere and throwing out a Pal are on two different buttons. Yes, the form of interaction is the same, but the patent itself also goes into the operation inputs, and the computational process, which should actually provide legal leeway for Pocket Pair. (hopefully) I'm also not entirely sure if the number of operation inputs laid out in the patent is explicit, as PW uses a hold and release, and P:LA uses an aim and fire. The control scheme itself could be different enough to cause computations to be more distinguished.

[@muffinchubby2352]

Palworld launches and switches monsters the same as it operates its guns. To claim one would be to claim the other (it also helps that you can get the pal launcher). Pokemon can't claim the operation of catching and launching on it's own due to it being almost 30 years old, they are counting on the 3D application.

[@ironreaver1543]

Again, for those who genuinely do not know, Anubis and Lucario are both based on the same Egyptian Deity named Anubis, they look similar because the games have similar styles and the reference being used is the same. This is one that I see brought up often but it's the one that holds the least weight and I'm starting to get worried that people just don't know about the Egyptian deity.

[@StrikeForce2013]

The fact that a company can go “oh look a competitor, let me edit my patent so screw them over” sounds like a load of horse crap. I can understand clarifying a patent, but clarifying a patent in response to the existence of a competitor to sue them should definitely be illegal.

[@Projolo]

That isn't the case

[@StrikeForce2013]

@ Isn’t that what was explained in the video? They had an old patent and they updated it and the update took place after Palworld was released. If that isn’t editing a patent to screw someone over then I don’t know what is.

[@dragaoimolado5417]

as far as my knowledge goes, the patents nintendo is filling for in US HAVE ALREADY BEEN REFUSED ONCE, and they where told they where to broad, i do belive it is impossible based on that first refusal alone, because anything similiar they try to fill, will still be too broad in an attempt to catch palworld.

[@electrobob992]

YUP especially the mount system since various openworld games had that mechanic long before Pokemon did. Such as Minecraft and Skyrim.

[@riptors9777]

@@electrobob992 Monster hunter stories, a game that was first released on NDS, one of nintendos own consoles has you mount different monsters to access different modes of travel (swimming, flying, climbing, jumping, digging etc). How nintendo can claim that they have any intelectual right over a mount system is beyond me...

[@clarehidalgo]

@@electrobob992 And Wow had both Mounts and Escort quest NPCs that use pathing since with was fricking released in 2004

[@innerguardianXIII]

I think Nintendo should remove the stick from its butt, shake hands with PocketPair and allow Crossovers/events.

[@KalijahAnderson]

Changing your patent after someone else makes something shouldn't be a thing. That is just bullshit, especially with how freaking broad these patients are.

[@a_literal_lurking_rock]

Just to add: One speculation for why they are suing Pocketpair is because they are collaberating with Sony

[@ambulance-kun5915]

And that's just plain competition. Nintendo going into underhanded means just to stop it is just sad

[@QuizMasterEntertainment]

@@ambulance-kun5915 You do know Pal World offers no competition to Nintendo, right? How much do you actually think Pal World would last? Seriously, games like that wouldn't do well with a sequel and every single pocket pair game has been left incomplete, why else do you think Ark survivor evolved only does expansions?

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

that could be a factor but it also could work in pocketpair's favor being partnered with a big company like Sony does level the playing field a bit.

[@snintendog]

@@QuizMasterEntertainment merch and stop self liking your post you sad troll.

[@GodwynDi]

​@@QuizMasterEntertainment It sets a trend. Palworld is average. But it shows there is a market for it. This is what customers want, and if Nintendo isn't providing, others will step up. That is what Nintendo is worried about.

[@Avigorus]

I keep oscillating between being amused and just disgusted with how badly nintendon't understand what they're doing to their brand pulling this...

[@akkisaroo24]

I hope Nintendo Loses this case and its value overall.

[@LB-hr9vu]

I just want to say that one, I am not a lawyer, but I have been following this case a little and noticed a few things. Nintendo is not suing them over the pal's looking similar to some Pokemon. no, that kinda falls under copyright. no no. patent is more around gameplay features. now I could be very right in saying that, but I will remind you that Palworld has been on Nintendo's raider for years. long before Palworld came out. they knew about it, but could not do a lot about it as Pocketpar where very carful when making there game. they knew how strict Nintendo is with it's property's. so to close this comment up. my Theory is that the reason Nintendo is suing them over patent and not copyright is due to the fact that Palworld is just a better game then what Game freak have been making over the past few years. they have been on top of the monster catching games for a long time. Palworld maybe simple, but it's something we wanted and got, and that gives other Developers the inspiration to make similar games. that's not something Nintendo wants, as it means they make less profits as normal. thank you for reading this long as hell comment.

[@skirenhost9182]

From what I know Nintendo doesn’t just want the 10 million yen. They also want money for the entire time the patent existed and because the parent patent was registered in 2021, that could mean that the total amount of money could easily go in the 100 of millions

[@Supra--ln4tm]

Nintendo:" Alright so we don't see any problem with copyright issues anything therefore there is no problems... Let's make one."

[@LimC.A]

Nemesis System by Warner Bros from Shadow of Mordor: Hello first time?

[@Spikebhaal]

Oh god i hate WB still to this day for that fuck up and wont by any games from them.

[@riptors9777]

The difference is that the nemesis system was a brand new and unique invention that had never before existed in any other product. Throwing objects to capture characters, mounting other characters to access different modes of travel etc. Those have all existed LONG before nintendo filed these patents. In any decent law system nintendo would have no ground, but japan is its own system and the law in japan HEAVILY favours the big fish over the small fish.

[@timothymarzelli3874]

You know people can still use the nemesis system, right? All they'd have to do is tweak it so it's not a 1:1 version. Make it different enough that it keeps the core of what you want from it, while also not being beholden to the patent.

[@LimC.A]

@@timothymarzelli3874 tbh i dunno who would use it and has any game even implemented it in any recent games? Additionally its prob quite a pain in the ass to do it for "new" experiences and i dont think anyone would risk it for a lawsuit lol.

[@timothymarzelli3874]

@@LimC.A Based on actual implementation in Mordor, it wouldn't be that hard to make a system unique enough to get around the patent. However, that's based purely on implementation, and I don't know how the implementation used differs from the patent. Since presumably, even though Warner implemented a crappy version of the system in the actual game, the patent would be for the actually good version that didn't get implemented.

[@kushzei]

Wow this one is actually way more informative than other videos out there on the topic

[@f1ava1inda]

nintendo just needs to be told to get over it. drop their case and move on.

[@JRX36]

The water thing is that way in ark when riding a water dinosaur.

[@clarehidalgo]

Yeah, Palworld is heavily inspired by Ark, pretty much Ark with pokemon-like creatures

[@PsychoGamer2100]

Anubis and Lucario may look similar but Anubis is based off the Egyptian god Anubis who had a Jackal's head. Nintendo can't claim the rights to an ancient Egyptian god.

[@49gamer51]

I feel like a Nintendo is just trying to stall to make sure it doesn't go into any other platforms and also it's just dumb not only is Nintendo going to get screwed over by their fans who actually play the game and actually enjoy it they're going to piss everyone off

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

When have nintendo fans ever striked against nintendo when nintendo screwed their fans over? The fans have stockholm, no matter what nintendo does they come crawling back after making a whole uproar that barely last a day. Nindendo will never change because the fans will never stop and strike, they keep buying whatever is pushed out and ask for seconds like the good little (words i cant say on this site) they are

[@49gamer51]

Reminder this is what Nintendo is suing for something that they can't do because it's been way too long for they're trying to sue the gameplay something that they cannot do from what I've heard because that is something that all games have usually

[@Hawkcap]

thanks for explaining the whole patent branch thing. I been wondering about that. Honestly i think the branching of patents is kinda bull. Like they make sense if used properly but used like nintendo does, it just because a harmfull feature.

[@Omid-v7d]

You're right. In Japan, there are many voices praising Nintendo, saying things like, "Nintendo is a legal specialist. It's amazing. Please get rid of Palworld for us." I was shocked.

[@ballom29]

Saddly there one strong argument in favor of Nintendo I fear to ever see bring up in court. Nintendo : "I am Nintendo !" Judge : "Understandable, I declare Pocketpair guilty !" Even if everything during the lawsuit goes in favor of Pocketpair, there is always this possibility it won't matter the slightest because the court might as well give an autowin to Nintendo, for the sake of the toxic part of the japanese culture about being ""respectfull""" blablabla (... or straight up corruption )

[@snintendog]

if that happens the entirety of the Japan Entertainment district will COLLAPSE.

[@cliffordkun2844]

Scenario if Pokémon wins the lawsuit Digimon and other monster franchises(talking to Palworld): We're sorry that we failed to save you from Pokèmon's reign of terror. Now, we're all affected by Pokèmon's wrath. Palworld(talking to Digimon and other monster franchises): It's okay! You did your best on trying to protect your right of existence as well as our right of existence. You also did your best on trying to protect the future of monster taming genre. Digimon and other monster franchises(talking to Palworld): We have to say goodbye to our fans because Pokèmon is the only monster franchise in existence now.

[@iainpark2511]

the problem about Anubis/lucario, Nintendo can't legally do anything about :). I don't think the ancient Egyptians care about them using the design.

[@wolfdeathnogames5314]

funfact you can in fact capture without harming in craftopia however it is extremely rare to do so as the percentage chance of capture is entirely complacent on how healthy they are when thrown plus a sneak bonus if hit from behind so they still cant sue over that patent as pocket pair could argue this in court even if the chance to capture a fully healthy creature in craftopia is only .00001% chance it still can be done and therefore is viable to be argued in the court

[@fangslore9988]

Nintendo may acttually lose due to the fact sony is bankrolling pocketpair's legal fees and providing them with Lawers

[@megaman37456]

Where has it bee stated Sony is bankrolling Pocketpair's legal fees? Sony doesn't own them, they partnered with them.

[@fangslore9988]

@@megaman37456 Sony is a partner and is helping pocketpair with setting up the palworld company, this also includes funding and assisting with their legal troubles, there's too much money on the line for them not to help

[@Spiderman018]

Nintendo is just sad nowadays, any REAL judge is gonna recognize these patents or whatever were made after the production of a game just so they would have some form of legal ground to stand on. It's them being greedy like normal cause this ain't where they stop they've been going after ROM's and emulators because people aren't gonna go out and buy a switch for $200-$300 just to scratch the itch of old games they love to play. They're children running a company thats headed no where but down because they can't build anything original anymore so the best they can hope to do is attack other companies/games and stifle creativity for a few years. Yes I mean a few years because that patent will expire and then it'll be free to all and nintendo won't be able to do anything.

[@psoslash]

13:36 yes you can, you have a low success rate and doesn't works on bosses since you need to restrain them in chains first, but you can for any non-boss mob

[@Aloukard]

Why no one talk about that pokémon copy Dragonquest for the pokémon desing

[@sevenember3332]

Plenty do, it’s mentioned pretty often in the videos covering the lawsui

[@esserecreativi1118]

I wish they would collaborate, imagine how massive the game would become

[@Kittsuera]

those patents are too basic in concept. meaning. they shouldnt exist. they never should have been granted. shoot, the concept of patenting basic game mechanics makes about as much sense as letting someone patenting the function of breathing and then charging everyone for breathing or to continue breathing.

[@tiamatnotrealname3084]

the mounts speed based on terrain isnt even game mechanic. thats just physics. many amphibious creatures are faster in water then on land. most birds fly faster then they run. horses run faster then they swim.

[@somederp8915]

I hate video hate patents. Just imagine how much the Nemesis system could have been expanded and improved by now!

[@danjonkovich-gaming]

Nice vid. Nintendo does what Nintendoes!

[@Goremize]

Nintendo: Creates three patents of game mechanics that basically exist in every game to ever exist. "We can do that, right?" Nintendo, the law firm, sueing your local stores near you

[@tomasmax5616]

Nintendo is the representation of GREED!

[@exodud5016]

I think people really misunderstand Nintendo litigations, especially in this case : - Palworld is not some "unique creative idea" or "satire", but a clear "gotcha" attempt using copyright loopholes to build their success off multiple different very successful game franchises (Pokémon, Fortnite and survival games, most notably) - Palworld has decided to work with Sega, Nintendo's main rival especially in Japan. Discussion is not possible because of this. As far as companies are concerned, that's as close to a declaration of war as one can get. - There have been multiple examples of games based on Nintendo franchises (mostly on game mechanics) and fangames directly using their mechanics (Pokémon Showdown being the most prominent) that exist quite happily and nobody is complaining about. This is not a case of trying to crush competition. If I or anyone else was in Nintendo's shoes, this would be the very least of things I'd expect to be done concerning Palworld.

[@DecoderWalrus]

Marvel and DC had a joint trademark on "Super Hero" and they guarded this trademark for over 50 years. Only recently has the term "Super Hero" entered the public domain

[@Mushi-Mushroom-Favorikos]

One theory is that Nintendo is just waiting for Palworld bubble to decrease and be forgotten

[@baronvonslambert]

Fortunately, while Nintedo might be able to get away with it in Japan, the saving grace is that the patents in question are far too vague to be enforced in the US court system.

[@mightythunderfoot]

I think the MOMENT that PALWORLD was announced, Nintendo started mounting a case. They didn't "wait for it to make money" or "get popular" so they could crush it at its prime. It took a year to get the evidence together, talk to the lawyers, etc., etc. There are other reasons to complain about the lawsuit, but "Nintendo only goes after successful ventures" isn't one. They definitely didn't "wait." I'm sure they were on it immediately.

[@rougepyro2432]

This lawfare stuff has me a little worried. I'm an ambitious writer, but my creative ability isn't a shield like having stacks of cash. I have to wonder if Nintendo might sue me over the similarity of their Ascend ability in TotK with a blade dance technique called Death's Reach in my stories. I also don't have the luxury of having it posted online before TotK was released as I was still proofreading Reemergence to get its facts in line with Scepter. I'm currently proofreading another book I've finished writing, and I have no way of knowing if anyone has taken possession of the rights to a suped up lance with a rocket. I've made a great signature weapon for my protagonist, but someone could come out of the blue and try to destroy me over it.

[@freedomgaming9987]

Patent Trolling should result in not only lossing but should require a fine paid to the defendant.

[@chinimon8259]

Maybe if people stoping buying their products They will stop the bullying

[@Krysnha]

Dream

[@supershoutmonx8327]

No Nintendo has a consumer base outside of the us its kinda impossible i think

[@namenlosNamenlos]

That obvious not going to happen plenty millions customers brought broken undone brand new video game pokemon series countless times. There will never be collective boycott of not buying it brand new.

[@Degalfox]

i just realized something. this exact scenario is what killed case labs

[@smile-ok678]

Nintendo should take a look in the mirror instead of suing why don't you work on making Pokemon actually better I mean come on they should learn from this game yet Pokemon keeps repeat and repeat now don't get me wrong we get some good gems every now and then. Even so when Scarlett and Violet came out it was a mess honestly this is just learn from palworld but realistically I don't see Nintendo doing that.

[@koushikraj9815]

That where everyone think wrong. When you check was specific process or mechanic even it was subdivision patent they will check the subdivision patent. Few months after release of palworld and they started registering this patent will still get invalid.

[@MrDavidMoyer]

Nintendo absolutely has the option to just smile and say "yes, their monsters and the capture/pet-battle system is clearly INSPIRED by our Pokemon franchise. But they're having fun with it and it's not a direct copy/paste, has a fresh spin so let them have their cake and eat it too." On top of that, those are the only aspects of Palworld that are Pokemon-inspired. It has survival and crafting elements as well as base-building that were clearly inspired by games like ARK, or more recently Orebound. And the overall exploreation & combat system seems to have taken a lot of inspiration from other adventure-RPG games like Xenoblade Chronicles (from the Wii/Wii-U days). So yeah, some people have called it "Pokemon with guns" but it is important that we remember it is MORE than that. It is an amalgamation of inspirations from several sources. Practically speaking, NOTHING in this game is original. But these days that can be said of pretty much any game, with all the reskins and asset-flops that are out there. At least Palworld is combining all these elements in a way that has never been done before. So if you look at it as a whole, rather than as its individual components, it feels like something brand new and different.

[@SpectrumWolf-hd7kf]

Nintendo feels threatened by the success of Palworld and the loss of control over the market. Nintendo wishes to remove the threat in a way that lets Nintendo regain its control over their perseved market. A soul less, uncaring monopoly. Think of it like this. A new and strong competition starts to make itself known and is struck down by a larger, more powerful group or absorbed into it at the cost of its identity. This is what is happening between these two companies. My biggest question is, if there are other games out there that are very similar to Pokémon (also infringing of the same pattens), it is the reason they haven't been shaped yet because they were not very successful and only worth a small amount? Or is there a more technical and scummy reason for this that Nintendo would like to say?

[@Dair101]

Interesting, looks like Nintendo knew they couldn't win anything in the US. So deciding to extend patents to sue their competition in their home country doesn't win them brownie points to look great around the world. Probably won't stop people from buying/playing their games, but knowing that your family friendly game company isn't super friendly and kinda shady doesn't look great either.

[@randomoffgrid]

All these patents came out after the game

[@nullpoint3346]

I wonder if you mentioned the parent patents and the fact that Craftopia had the mechanics before even the parent patents were filed.

[@elkx2566]

Nintendo really needs to back off and I am saying this as a Pokémon fan for many, many years (Gen 1 Teen) as acting like this is just showing fans and devs a like that they want to control and be the only ones making games like this witch makes them look petty towards others wanting to use the idea and evolve it into new branches that in the end could give them ideas to better the Pokémon games in a whole.

[@crobatoverlord7378]

Thank you for giving a closer look to the patents which I now understand are not as broad as I thought they were. This lawsuit only came out after Sony teamed up with Pocketpair, suggesting Ninteondo was reacting to that development and MIGHT have not taken action if Pocketpair stayed on their own, despite already refining their patents to do so if they see it needed. 12:20 bad examples. Cassette Beasts is not throwing devices at monsters to catch them (Like e.g. Nexomon, TemTem or Coromon do), but recording them with the cassette player your charcter is holding so you can transform into the monster yourself. Thus putting a creative spin on the concept of collecting the monsters which would also be save from patent claims if the franchise for some reason should tap it's feet into full 3d in the future. And in Monster Hunter Stories you don't even get the Monsters via battles but abduct eggs to hatch them. It could have been an example for switching mounts, however it has a system way older than PLA that also works a bit different. Also bad selection of Pokemon vs. Palworld comparisons. The Luxray thing isn't in the game and Anubis is different enough to be not directly based on Lucario but, well, Anubis (as pointed out by others before). There are still some where it is really obvious the designs are... inspired... a bit too much by Pokemon. Biggest example probably being Verdash as well as some of the Pokemon Fusions. My theory is that those close calls to copyright infringement are what ultimatly toppled this situation into the mess it is now. They can't go after copyright, so they go after patents.

[@scribble_mh]

I'm convinced that sueing is Nintendo's main source of income at this point.

[@soulflareon]

This isn't between Nintendo and Pocketpair. This is between Nintendo and their rival Sony. Sony partnered with Pocketpair for merchandise licensing of all things Palworld. (The video games are still 100% under Pocketpair's wing.) Sony is basically looking to use pals as their version of Nintendo's Pokémon to finally try and create a true competitor to the billion dollar Pokémon brand, and Nintendo is responding by trying to stifle their efforts with these patent cases. Nintendo is fine with Pocketpair but has a bad history with Sony. Once Palworld grew bigger than just Pocketpair is when Nintendo felt like they had to act, I would imagine. All of this is effectively Sony's fault. (Though it does seem like Nintendo was preparing for this with those patents being suspiciously revisited after Palworld's release.) I'd also like to add the supposed Pal that keeps being shown in the comparisons to Pokémon (The Luxray comparison. Boltmane I think is it's internal name) is not actually available or released in the game itself. It was only found in the code by dataminers. It was supposedly cut before release of the game.

[@tytyxtr8468]

ARK u can catch dinos in similar item and u can ride them and is an older game than Arceus

[@clarehidalgo]

And Palworld plays very similar to ark, it is basically Ark with Pokemon-like creatures instead of Dinosaurs

[@Milesahead1023]

Dude... Gotta dial it back on the background (foreground) music volume. It's almost like the dialog is the background music. There's good, quality info here, but unfortunately, much of it was drowned out by the music.

[@dragaoimolado5417]

also the only somewhat "inovative" game from nintendo in the last what? 15 years? was mario maker. if you say that TOTK is inovative or BOTW, NO THEYRE NOT, BOTW is just Zelda but now totally open world, and TOTK is a expensive BOTW DLC that adds vehicle/artillery building that looks extremely like a rough sketch from scrap mechanic...

[@OpXarxa]

you can give caesar what is caesar's without defending the shit nintendo is trying to pull here. BOTW redefined the concept of open world games as much as skyrim did back in the day, and totk(which I personally hate) did some technical wizardry with it's freebuild and interaction systems that left programmers everywhere flabbergasted it could possibly work without constant crashes. nintendo got the following it does by throwing some real banger games every now and then instead of primarily following trends and recycling the same game(not same *franchise*, same *game*) over and over, and you can admit that without licking their soles when they do bullshit like this.

[@herobrine_1_]

We really need to review what can be patented because that is a mechanic. It should not be able to be patented.

[@yannikatsafados2726]

Anubis doesn’t look like Lucario. Anubis looks like the Egyptian god Anubis and lucario was made from that same inspiration.

[@pokebreeder2517]

they are not justified, they are stupid actions just to prevent copetition. this whole lawsuit is stupid. the 2 companies should work together. if nintendo bought palworld the company could have the 2 be in a sort of state of rivalry where the other can try to one up the other forcing the other to get inovative and do better then the other with each game.

[@computernerd8157]

Two problems with your statement, first off no matter how you guys slice it Palworld design are too similar to Pokemon and thus, Nintendo or any game company would be sore about that. Second, not everybody who starts a company wants to be absorbed by a larger company. The best outcome would allow Palworld remain independent of Nintendo and in the future create more original designs to avoid temping another company to sue them. Honestly Nintendo should of sued for some of pals designs being to too similar. I do not see them wining this case.

[@pokebreeder2517]

@@computernerd8157 very true on both points

[@SpectrumWolf-hd7kf]

Minecraft and Terarea .

[@MxHavmir]

Pocketpair got bought by Sony, which is a big reason why thie lawsuit started

[@computernerd8157]

@@MxHavmir I had no clue that happened. You think Sony would counter sue. I was hopping Palworld would stay independent.

[@silverware1191]

15.08. Mount' speed in/ out water... Terraria' shark mount will be hitted as well... Real-life boat-cars will also be hitted by lawsuit... Human beings will be sued for infringing this patent, as human can walk on land, but suffer movement speed debuff in water.

[@TLG_Daception]

Anubis vs Lucario is a great example, and here is why. First off its not just the humanoid form, its the proportions, the stancing, the eyes, the expression all of it, also the feet? Anubis was never said to have 3 toes that was ripped directly from the stylized choice of Lucario, and Jackals have 5 toes! & Why is Anubis depicted doing martial arts of all things? Lets not sit here and be ignorant now. Anubis IS a rip off of Lucario, but one done well enough that it can be argued. Lucario, is based on a jackal, Anubis was a jackal headed egyptian deity. However there are a MIllION ways Anubis could be depicted. There is a reason why most peoples brains IMMEDIATELY come to Lucario. Its because it looks like Lucario with a damn egyptian skin! Lets be real! I love palworld dont get me wrong but ya'll falling too deep into ignorance and delusion. When in reality its plain as day.

[@Moneyman49442]

That mount one WoW and guild wars looking at Nintendo 👀

[@wualdo]

The last sentiment was wholesome and inspiring but MONEY!

[@Mesteryman1]

Just putting this in here, I have played Craftopia and you did not have to battle creatures to capture them. You could throw the capture sphere and attempt to capture any creature, humans included, without combat. I'm not sure if that sets a precedence for Nintendo actually copying an idea from PocketPair and then trying to steal it as their own or not. However, it does prove that the mechanic and patent are not "novel" in their concepts and should not have been awarded the patent in the first place. I hope that PocketPair can turn the tides and use this to set precedence for a punitive case in the US along with an injunction on Nintendo.

[@magnettoa]

The other reason might be Palworld and Sony made a company together for the sake of merch and I bet that's the thing Nintendo is most worried about

[@Mr_Tea_Rexx]

Like to point out at 4:00 to 4:04 video showing two models next to each other of "ripping assets / copyright infringement" was a flat out lie and the dude admitted it on X publicly after Nintendo started investigating his claims, he ripped the assets and altered/tampered with pocketpairs models in blender to match pokemon's assets. Because he hated the game and wanted it to die. You cant patient, 3d models, art, materials, animations, audio, game code (unless the code is so unique. example: LOTR Nemesis or 80s classic retro games) its what copyright is for. I'm currently going through this process with my own game. Nintendo tried to patent a lot of their mechanics to including the Mount system in the US and got rejected with them saying it was to broad & simplified. Also for palworld to win all they have to prove is that Nintendo aren't the original creators of those mechanics/patents cause you cant patent something when it already on the market.

[@michaelgibson3479]

I mean, the nemesis system is patented and so is hello games superformula. Two very interesting systems designed specifically for their games. So I can see why people would want to patent certaan things. This just feels petty, and this is from someone who didn't like palworld. I literally played temtem longer than I played it lol. It felt more like an Ark gloam than anything.

[@EspyMelly]

Legal =/= Right. Just because legally you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you aren't an evil piece of shit for doing so. Exploiting patent law, which is extremely toxic and archaic when applied to game mechanics, to suppress competition and protect your dominance is scumbag behavior. I am certain that if any one of those other indie pokemon clones had experienced the same level of success as Palworld that Nintendo would have gunned for them too.

[@christophertreadwell4726]

This is, without a doubt, one of the most blatant cases of pure jealousy. People have been asking for real-time Pokémon battles for years. Someone finally creates what fans have been wanting, and now Nintendo is suing them over ball mechanics? That’s just corporate greed at its finest. Never buying anything from Nintendo again!

[@luxinfinite1394]

Can we get a reaction to Moon Channel's take on the lawsuit? Guy's a lawyer too and I think he dived much deeper into it than you. He even did a vid explaining much of the inner workings of the Pokemon Company itself.

[@ralphsexton8531]

If Nintendo really wants to push the whole rideable mounts thing, I hope Blizzard/WoW has a word with them. Mind you, I am not a Blizzard fan, and have never played WoW, but I have watched friends play. I do believe they had that mechanic a decade ago, if not more.

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

i find it highly suspect that the patents were registered after palworld.... almost like Nintendo Renewed or filed the patents just to sue...

[@DragonEleven]

Could it be that Nintendo are just using this as a way to open up negotiations with Pocketpair in order to deal with the issue of the character designs? As you said in the video, Nintendo can't take action against the character designs, but the level of 'inspiration' Pocketpair have taken from Pokemon is hard to deny. One or two similarities would be understandable and could even be considered a respectful homage to Pokemon, but the level at which the Pals resemble Pokemon is way beyond that. I think Nintendo should be allowed to take legal action over the character designs, but as they can't they needed some other way to open up a dialogue between the two companies that Pocketpair could not ignore, and I think that's what this lawsuit is. I suspect that this forces Pocketpair into a corner... accepting the injuction would hinder their future business (and set a questionable example for the industry), while fighting it will just put them at risk of an even bigger loss in the long run... their best option is to negotiate with Nintendo. Personally, my ideal solution would be for Nintendo to drop the lawsuit while agreeing not to sue Pocketpair over Palwolrd further in exchange for Palworld acknowledging that what they did with the character designs was wrong... this would set up a precedent to get copyright law adjusted so that this sort of situation doesn't happen again in the future.

[@TheRealSuldar]

Ark Survival also uses these mechanics is the funny thing.

[@jijitoto1]

@Hiraeth THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!! Ever since the September post by PocketPair, I have been asking myself the questions to which you just provided clear answers to. To be honest, I thought "oh here goes another video saying the same things but the guy is just late in voicing his opinion". But no, that was VERY educative. And I'm glad you took the time to do your homework for us to clearly understand (for those of us who watched the whole thing) THANKS A LOT!!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@Hiraethlaw]

Thank you for your kind words, I'm glad this video was helpful!

[@matthewgragg2152]

Pal Would is a bit of a cross between Pokemon and ARK.

[@Caleb_XIII]

It doesn't matter what Nintendo will do or won't. They already lost. I don't believe in TPC anymore. It died with and after Gen7 for me. I wanted something new (or maybe better) and here we are now.