Nintendo Switch 2 Compared to PS5 & Xbox Series -- We Asked for Answers (ft. Digital Foundry & MVG)

[@Dairunt1]

As long as the Switch 2 is as powerful as a Steam Deck and has backwards compatibility I'm good.

[@AhriFae]

not being able to play switch 1 games would be ridiculous, it was tough the lack of games I felt when the switch 1 released

[@Dairunt1]

@@AhriFae There was Breath of the Wild, Super Bomberman R, 1-2-Switch and I think Fast Racing Neo. It was the smallest game selection I've ever seen.

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

It will blow the steam deck away COMMONSENSE

[@erenyeeagah204]

@@Dairunt1 i think its because the switch launch was kinda rushed. many of the switch games like breath of the wild and even mario odyssey were intended for the WiiU at first. and games like ARMS and splatoon 2 felt unfinished and lacking in content. i guess the wiiu was so dead, they wanted a new console out asap.

[@Dairunt1]

@@erenyeeagah204 Agree. The thing that it was so sad it was kind of funny was how for holiday 2016 Nintendo didn't make new stock for the Wii U; they stopped production right before the holidays and said the Wii Us still at retail were all they were going to offer for holidays. They really wanted to get rid of the Wii U as soon as possible, and I think that if they could have, they would have released the Switch in late 2016. I think there's an opposite situation with the Switch 2, it doesn't seem like they want to release it soon because the Switch is such a safe sell (even though it's not the top-selling console anymore). And there's no guarantee that the Switch 2 will be as succesful as the regular Switch.

[@hellsong23]

The Switch 2 simply needs to hit ball park ports much like the current model does. 1st party games, indies, proven third parties and the odd miracle port served themn well. Anything above and beyond that is icing on the cake.

[@nullgator8073]

With the extra power it basically unlocks the whole previous generation of console games to continue to be ported to the switch2 which was one of the major draws of the switches library, and filled it out very nicely.

[@luckyrockmore2796]

Agreed, I had a great time playing Nier Automata on the Switch as I heard it was an amazing gaming experience and "miracle port"

[@xephyrxero]

One thing I think was missed in the conversation is that Switch 2 will also have to keep up with PS6 and the next Xbox. Nintendo will expect it to live for 7-10 years, so it's not just current gen games they have to worry about

[@isntchrisl]

There will be a period of years of cross gen games, just like there is every new cycle. Switch 2 will benefit from that. It should be fine.

[@ChickenNuggetCancer]

Also there could be a possibility for a Switch 2 Pro. I’m not gonna bet any money that it’s going to happen lol but it could.

[@maddo-hq9jr]

@@ChickenNuggetCancer "The Switch Pro will come" 😂 didn't really happen. Now the Switch 2 isn't even announced and you talk about a Switch 2 Pro???

[@luckyrockmore2796]

Game development for current gen can't even get games right for launch, it's a non issue to be able to keep up with a next Xbox or PS6

[@daveonezero6258]

Those don't exist and even MS says they won't be in the game if gamepass doesn't perform They are already adopting cross gen. They are still releasing last gen games.

[@Kapono5150]

I have a 4080 and it still struggles to run Ray tracing in some games. For Nintendo, a stable 60 FPS should be priority before even thinking about Ray tracing

[@ChickenNuggetCancer]

That and the fact PC ports for the most part haven’t been, great.

[@bryce5075]

This is always a weird take, 60 FPS games have happened on every console, it’s always a balance about what kind of visuals you can push and how important frame rate is. Just saying “can this system hit 60 FPS” doesn’t actually mean anything since the answer has been yes for every system ever

[@ozkuz4321]

​@@bryce5075yup. Even the super Nintendo has 60fps games

[@vivid8979]

​​@@bryce5075Depends on the game.. A side scroller platformer can easily hit 60 fps due to it's scale but a game as big like Hyrule can be a struggle to render especially in a portable device like Switch... Nothing weird about the guy's take especially when Switch barely has "Stable" 60 fps games and if they did it's limited to Mario...

[@luckyrockmore2796]

Knowing Nintendo, I doubt they care about RT....and I'm more than ok with that

[@Parmandur]

My bet is that if DF analyzed the outfits carefully, the Switch 2 will not be reaching the technical performance of the PS5 and Xbox Series...but from a phenomenological approach, most people will think it looks the same. Nintendo benefiting from diminishing returns on specs.

[@gorana.37]

Very underrated take. I’ve been thinking exactly the same for the last couple years. 🫡

[@dootpls]

From a what?

[@Parmandur]

@@dootpls the math of the Switch 2 probably won match the PS5 or Xbox Series, but almost nobody will be able to tell by just lookong at it.

[@MousaThe14]

I would 100% agree on this.

[@bobbrossify]

@@Parmandur1. How on earth have you possibly convinced yourself of this. 2. This isn’t just switch 2 v PS5/Series X, this will be Nintendo’s machine through 2030-2031+ so it’ll be vs PS6/Series X2 for a LOT of its life. We’re also passed the point of DLSS gains, Alan Wake 2 requires it on practically all hardware for all resolutions. That will become more and more the norm.

[@npancratz]

It was awesome to hear you three talking through this together! I hope to see/hear your worlds collide like this more often!

[@NatetheHate]

More to come!

[@OhluhKayTall]

I dont get the "switch performance bad, Steamdeck good" talk in the comments. Switch 2 is dedicated gaming hardware that studios will be designing against. No studios are targetting steam deck as a platform or baseline for their optimization targets because there arent enough of them out there to matter. It's been doing more with less since day one. Until most studios do, whatever nintendo puts out for the Switch 2 will run circles around steamdeck's successor or any mobile consoles for that matter. With more advanced API's and libraries itll probably end up matching and in most cases outperforming the series S with more consistent performance.

[@cyberrb25]

There are indeed nuances that make people incorrect in their considerations, but as far as we see, many big-ish developers are using the Steam Deck as a baseline, because it's the biggest close environment you can find on PC. It's hard to decide which is the baseline for your game to run, so when you have a good bunch of people that do rally on a format (I mean on PC), it's easier, even if it's just for ease of mind, to have that for the minimum viable product. TL;DR for this segment below: Steam Deck is expecting you to choose your poison and Switch has to juggle with a lot more stakeholders. But regarding the Switch vs. Steam Deck, there are two big considerations: - First, that the Steam Deck has technology inaccessible at the era of the Switch, be it at most price points. And we're seeing that Switch trailblazes stuff that then the Steam Deck adopts, like the OLED screen. Even though we might want to try and point it back to Vita, it is hard to consider it the parent in that: They stopped doing OLED screens after the first Vita model and nobody in the gaming world did OLED-screened portables. - Second, that the Steam Deck has the tiered system that makes it most people think the US$399 system (US$100, or 33% more than the Switch) is actually having the components of the $529 specs. Add to that that you almost have to tinker with a few games to choose different configurations, they have in that sense more leeway to mess it up than the Switch, because it's harder to pin the blame to the developer/console maker. It's going to be a wonder if Nintendo will have the capital to sell the Switch 2 at US$399, 449 or 499, but they're not going to have the luxury of going over that, whereas Steam Deck will be able to have the even more expensive system (currently they have the US$549 system as the middle of the pack) that they can make harder on the components and hammer the battery and heat - something that Nintendo will be expected not to be too hard on to have actual battery life. And also, let's not forget that Nintendo has to share some of the price with retailers. You cannot go to a Target (or look at an official seller on Amazon) and buy a Steam Deck off the shelf. Would you go buy at Nintendo's online store as the exclusive official seller for the new system?

[@blackjacksetzer7748]

nate is closing the year strong, glad to have so many videos

[@cleatusvandamme716]

Would love to see John on semi-regularly/monthly. Always a great mix with you three.

[@NatetheHate]

If we could schedule it to happen, we will do so. Always love having him on to chat with us & I know he enjoys visiting with us, too.

[@viridionwaves]

Would like a variety of guests pls

[@NatetheHate]

Scheduling is the primary obstacle.

[@NeiltendoPower]

It’s really great to have you guys posting regularly again. Fantastic discussion as always!

[@jobi-wankenobi2244]

Id also like to state, Nintendo isn't stupid, they know what they need to do with the next system, and I think we'll be shocked (positively) of what it'll boast in hardware.

[@tumultuousv]

Isn't stupid... look at the fumble from wii to wii u.. they don't always make the right decisions

[@maddo-hq9jr]

@@tumultuousv so now everyone who makes a mistake is stupid? What a stupid argument to make in the first place.

[@vivid8979]

​@@maddo-hq9jrIsn't that what making a mistake stems from?? Being stupid? Also Gamecube existed btw, Switch not launching with Bluetooth, NSO being a bit underwhelming with feautures... I can list alot of things that is considered stupid.. This company has made and is currently doing "stupid mistakes"...

[@maddo-hq9jr]

@@vivid8979 I wouldn't call somebody stupid for making a mistake once. I would call that inexperienced. I would call somebody stupid that makes the same mistake over and over again. Have you ever made a mistake?

[@maddo-hq9jr]

@@vivid8979 and the things you've listed, I wouldn't call them mistakes. If Nintendo evaluated their user base at the time they must've seen alot of 6 to 14 year olds. I think it's safe to say that most kids don't care much these quality of life accesories. They just wanna play. And that is also why Nintendo enabled parental control mechanisms from the start.

[@barcster2003]

I think its good if its powerful enough to get all the multiplats. Thats what nintendo needs.

[@BryFo]

I would say so that's true. If Xbox Series S can get multi plats. The Switch 2 should have no problem.

[@soiltek2015]

Always a great podcast. A very warm welcome to John Linneman who is a natural addition to the cast. Great show!!

[@darcrequiem]

"We've bought on Digital Foundry's John Linneman" *clicks thumbs up immediately*

[@timothyforrester5225]

This will be interesting especially since John is here!

[@masterquake7]

I think there's no way Nintendo misses GTA6. I think they see what they missed with 5 and will bend over backwards to support 6.

[@ahmedhasan4966]

I am surprised that GTA 5 isn't on switch.

[@xtr.7662]

They will if gta vi is too cpu intensive like gta v especially for the online

[@N.i.E.M.O]

There's no way Nintendo gets GTA6, even if the Switch 2 actually was powerful enough to run it (which it won't be).

[@C--A]

​@@N.i.E.M.O Sources say otherwise fella 👍🏾 Nintendo are selling tons of Switches. And will sell tons of the Switch sucessor 👌🏾 Xbox Series X&S hardware sales globally have been piss poor lol! So Take Two are obviously going to release it on the most popular hardware ie Sony and Nintendo.

[@N.i.E.M.O]

@@C--A Then why hasn't GTA5 released on the current Switch yet? And what does Xbox or PS have to do with this topic? We know they're both going to get GTA6, and we both know they will be able to run it. Switch 2? Doubt it. It won't even be half as powerful as the Xbox One S from 2013 (and no, it's not going to have DLSS either). And it's quite an assumption that Switch 2 will sell well just because current Switch sold well. By that logic the Wii U wouldn't have been the worst selling console in Nintendo's history - but it was. Hell, it also couldn't even match the hardware performance of the PS3 or 360 which launched 6 and 7 years prior to it respectively, so the few (and I mean *few*) ports it got tended to run worse anyway. Never underestimate Nintendo's ability to screw things up as soon as they get cocky. And they are at tip top cockiness right now.

[@tvmanwithdan6757]

Thank you guys for doing so many episodes recently I love the content!

[@billclay2701]

Great thing about Nintendo is that it could be PS4 pro strong and be just fine for fans without them even caring. Nintendo are wizards. The rush to 4k 60fps was ridiculous and gaming is paying for it.

[@xephyrxero]

4k60 is due to that being the standard for all TVs going back for well over the past 5 years. Regardless of what the game industry has been up to, 4k is the norm now. And it's achievable at 60 or even 120fps, there just have to be cutbacks made to fidelity. I also have no problem with things like DLSS/FSR being used to get there

[@billclay2701]

@@xephyrxero its so normal that developers still struggle with it. I'm sure the next console gen and the RTX 6000 series will be more than up to the task without being a space heater. Should have made 1440p the norm on consoles and PCs and waited till hardware has caught up with native 4k resolution. The upscaling tricks like DLSS/FSR (graet for consoles) on a $1500 - $4000 gaming PC is sort of like.....hey, should have got a console and wait till they get it right. Same ballpark. I swear my PS5 plays just as well as my 3060ti rig. My friend was frustrated with his 4090 (sold it) when the newer titles were struggling natively with 4k 60fps ray tracing on Ultra settings, which a $1500 video card should be able to do with ease natively, otherwise whatcha payin' for? Braggin rights being better than a console? Technically my 3060ti rig is better than a PS5 but on screen.....your playing the same games same fun same look.

[@justanotherartist5646]

@@billclay2701 This is a good point. The rush to 4k/60FPS has been insanely absurd and done damage to the gaming industry as a whole. Now this is almost expected as the norm for devs to magically push this to happen consistently, and gamers thinking they know how tech works. Everything was just the same energy where people want to be known as "the first" to do something or the "best" at doing something.

[@billclay2701]

@@justanotherartist5646 indeed. 4k is hard today with even a 4090 unless you're playing older legacy games. Combine that with the nickel n diming of the industry and I don't know, judging from what I saw on black friday and yesterday in stores, consoles are not selling like hotcakes and PC hardware (nVidia is all up into AI now) is being ignored from folks. I actually saw more Switches being sold (i picked up Mario Wonder), and those things are slower than my last smart phone. Nintendo was so wise not to jump on the 120fps train. The people who work at Best Buy were commenting on the piles of PS5s and Xbox's on the floor not moving. I went to 3 Best Buys looking for 4k bluray sales. Maybe folks havehad enough of the $70 broken games and fix it later business model. Or rent and food is more important. The $70 digital games are what make me laugh. Talk about not passing on the lack of physical manufacturing savings😁. Greed.

[@vivid8979]

@Xephyrxero Norm to what? Targetting 60 FPS 1080p in Handheld at least should be their top priority before even aiming for anything fancy like 4k.. Heck even modern PCs and Latest games struggles to run in that resolution so let's chill down a bit with.... "The Norm" especially when it comes to Nintendo where they don't give af about "The Norm" as well..

[@Fleagun]

Regarding internal storage: A 1TB Sandisk ultra was 260usd in fall 2021. Now its ~80USD.

[@juliogodoy8296]

What a way for me to listen this podcast again! I love when this caliber of guests shows up. Keep up the good work guys!

[@NatetheHate]

Thanks for listening

[@LuciusAugustusRex]

Windows on ARM is still a thing and it's still supported in Windows 11. The issue is there aren't enough ARM manufacturers making Windows devices.

[@nullgator8073]

Rumors are that amd and Nvidia are interested in lauuy arm based socs for this as soon as a Qualcomm exclusive deal ends which lends significance to this switch 2 for Nvidia to showcase what they can deliver in this tdp range

[@joseenriqueherrera9056]

Nintendo is the only company risking yo try and do something revolutionary in the gaming world. Microsoft and Sony have always been playing in the safe side. The only time they step out of their comfort zone is to try to emulate Nintendos hardware and innovative gameplay ideas to give us what: fail after fail after fail. Anyway, if graphics and resolution are so important, which I don't deny they are, how can you explain that Minecraft is the best selling game of all time? Yes a Pixelated game!

[@maddo-hq9jr]

And the 10+ year old GTA games are second. I completely agree.

[@michaelcasiano9497]

skyrim dont forget that game.

[@luckyrockmore2796]

Development hell/long development cycles, botched launches with bugs and glitches for highly anticipated "AAA" games that end up being very underwhelming...for those other consoles....yea, I don't think Nintendo is worried with what they do.

[@BryFo]

Because you are naming a game with niche graphics. Also Fortnite is a popular game with decent graphics. When people drop $500 + on new hardware, they want the graphics to look better than the previous generation. I'm pretty sure they will be a few side scroller or a comic book art style game that will be a good game, though most games have improved visuals and frame rate from previous generation. Also think of this with gaming companies. Each company have a specific thing they are good at and it's better they stay in there lane. Nintendo hasn't been good with graphics since the GameCube Era. Yet they are Outstanding at making games with high replayability and innovation. Sony is good with Graphics, Crisp audio sound and story telling games. Microsoft is good with engagement. Having players to earn points by playing games and can use points to purchase stuff in the real world. Xbox GamePass and were the innovators of party chat for consoles.

[@jobi-wankenobi2244]

If it can run a modern cod game at 60fps, roughly either 1080p or 720p 60, Ill give it a pass

[@AhriFae]

ah yes, the thing im looking for in switch 2 is to waste 100gb of my micro sd on a cod game

[@YutaponCube]

Brain rot is setting in if you're using a CoD game as your baseline

[@guyverhw4780]

Games/gamers don't need AAA graphic that require over the top hardware for like

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

Nvidia has documented amperes gen 2 raytrace cores as having 2x in its rt specialized compute performance as amperes cuda cores have gp compute performance. So if this is a 3 tflop fp32 @ 1ghz device from the cuda cores, that's 6 tflops/Tops performance from the ray trace cores just for the kind of operations the rt cores do, (bvh traversal, ray intersects). Too bad gen 2 rt cores don't completely do everything needed for raytracing on their own. A 12 sm ampere is too small in fp32 cuda shader/fp16 non tensor compute to run most of these pc denoisers the way they have been used to be effectively practical without a complete overhaul. Moving the denoiser into an ai model, which can then be ran as full tensor ops on tensor cores with sparse inference at 8x Compute throughput, increases speed of execution and removes that load from the cuda cores/non tensor tensor core use. Thats a hardware agnostic (aside from it has to be rtx) benefit, that is more beneficial the less shader core performance you have to spare.

[@nuclearbeeberman]

to be honest, it's Nintendo and you guys should reduce your estimations about 30%. Since the Wii it's always the same, people speculating for more that it is in the end. ANYWAYS, great show guys, thank you for the content.

[@hat8918]

Nintendo's current strategy is to wait for the cost of hardware for the current generation to come down, then release a console cheaper. It doesn't have to compete in power, it'll compete in cost, and a "good enough additude".

[@DiegoT]

Amazing podcast as always guys. You guys are awesome.

[@wodensthrone5215]

The OLED switch is a gimmick, Vivid mode forces a bt2020 color space into rec709 content, bt2020 is only used for HDR content, all switch games are mastered in rec709 for SDR, so what vivid mode does is over saturate colors, you lose color depth color detail and if an object has different hues or shades of color, you lose detail. Any ISF certified calibrator, will tell you to switch the vivid setting to standard because you're forcing the panel to display a wider color gamut that it doesn't properly support. Your phones also do this, tvs can do it also.

[@RealJeffTidwell]

OLED Switch isn’t a gimmick, it has near 1:1 parity with my LG CX, extremely satisfying. You are correct however, in that Vivid Mode ain’t it. I’ve tested all of the big games from 2023 and all of them seemed more appropriate in Standard.

[@christianr.5868]

Looks fine to me

[@Morenob1]

I see in the picture you didn't added the Raytracing the switch will have especially with DLSS 3.5

[@GaryMarshall-o5g]

what's the chances of some kind of boost within the dock ?

[@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot]

Its a fun talking point, but to me, assuming the ray tracing solution in the Switch 2 isnt leaps and bounds ahead of what we have currently in terms of efficiency, it's a bit silly imo. The only userbase that generally thinks RT is worth the performance hit is high end Nvidia GPU users, because theyre still getting great overall performance by brute force regardless of RT being on or off. Pretty much any AMD user, and any Nvidia user up through mid range isn't all that concerned with it because its not worth it. And now were talking about the Switch 2, which, perhaps being slightly generous, might rival a PS4 in terms of raw power? It would be a travesty if they wasted performance on RT over resolution and frame rate, especially since the Switch 2 will be stretched to it's limits on release by 3rd party games rhat have already come out. I think it's a marketing tool and future proofing (which is the right choice). Again, I'm assuming there isnt some huge advancement in RT. I disagree that game development will change so much in the next ~8 years that target hardware not supporting ray tracing will be an issue. That doesnt make any sense. 3rd party devs will be targeting minimum specs equivalent to today's current mid-high range PCs for a long time. Entangling RT so much into your game that it's infeasible to do the work required to have it work well with RT off is an odd notion.

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

Keep an eye on the switch 2, lot of people are going to be surprised because they've been fed false premises. Probably the biggest one being high end rtx cards are doing raytrace rendering. They aren't, they are doing hybrid rendering, which means they are doing BOTH the raster rendering AND ray traced rendering on top of it. On ampere ray trace cores have 2x more compute throughput than cuda cores (only for ray trace calculations though, not general purpose like shader cores) and its still not enough for raytraced rendering.... but its also only a tiny fraction of the gpu die. Nvidia would need to go all in on a ray trace over raster render pipeline gpu, which they haven't done yet. So instead Nvidia has specialized hardware that does the most intensive calculations needed, but only for the parts of a scene which benefit the most from rt, but also don't actually render, they send the data to the shader cores, where a denoiser interprets the image and then integrates it into the rasterized scene. It's still nowhere near what's needed for actual ray rendering, (at higher end gpus it's overkill for what can be done with hybrid. Rt cores spend a LOT of time idling). So we have these rt cores that can do ridiculous speed acceleration structure navigation and ray triangle hit determination and they send the results of all that work back to the cuda cores to work on, performing a process called denoising, turning a bunch of dots from rays into a recognizable image. Because of this, ray tracing and raster rendering fight over the same resources. This becomes an increasingly large problem the further down the range you go, as you have less cuda cores and less memory to work with the results the very strong rt cores keep belting out. It's first proto iteration has only just been first shown, but ray reconstruction is going to have a massive impact on both hybrid and full ray rendering. Remember where dlss first started out? What ray reconstruction does, is make an ai model for denoising. What's important about this, is that on nvidia gpu's ai models aren't handled by cuda cores, but by tensor cores, which can have up to a 8x performance acceleration compared to running the ai model on cuda cores. That means a small little switch 2 gou that gets 3 tflops out of its cuda cores when docked, instead of having to render a 3d scene AND struggle to run denoising data sent from rt cores, now it just has to worry about rendering its 3d image, as a seperate group of processors called tensor cores is now going to handle denoising at the same time, so you have 3 tflops (@ 1 ghz) running your traditional 3d graphics, and then a second group of processors doing all the Ray tracing calculations @ 6 tflops, and then a third group of processors handling ray trace denoising and super resolution at 24 sparse tensor tflops.... all at the same time. There is absolutely nothing stopping devs from doing this on *any* rtx gpu. It's just not worth singling out their time when they have to ensure basic compatability with soooooo many other configurations. But there is only going to be 1 Configuration on switch 2. So if they want to bring it to switch 2 at all..... And once the works already done..... Watch, dollars to donuts I bet you switch 2 is going to be the gateway into better rt hardware utilization and optimization across the full dang range of rtx devices.

[@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot]

@@Nobody-sp7ug That was a very good read, thanks for explaining. That would be very interesting to watch play out it true.

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

Assuming the extremely likely t239 is still the switch 2, we pretty much know how the switch 2 will stack up. It's ampere vs rdna, we know the render config, we know the gpu clock is going to be downclocked all the way down to around 1 ghz. Fp32 Raster performance: T239 3 tflops, series x, 4 tflops. Fp16 performance: Series S 8 Tflops, NOT CONCURRENT, for 2 fp16 ops, a fp32 op must be sacrificed (well a whole unit of vector lanes, you cant do just one register). EX: 2 Tflops fp32, 4 Tflops fp16. T239: standard ampere FULL CONCURRENCY between fp32/Int32 registers on cuda cores and fp16, bp16, tf32, int8, int4 and whatever other shenanigan data types If I forgot. EX: 3 Tflops fp32 Cuda cores, 3 Tflops non tensor fp16 Tensor cores. Series s rops, 32 @ 1.565 GHz : 50.8 Gpixels/s T239 rops, 16 @ 1 GHZ: 16 Gpixels/s OUCH. Texture mapping: Series S, 80 TMU's @ 1.565 GHz: 125.2 Gtexels/s. (Rdna ray tracing hardware shoved in here, must split performance with textures) T239 48 TMU's, @ 1GHz: 48 Gtexels/s. OUCH. Main memory capacity Series s 10 GB (8 usable for games, is this still the case?) T239 8,12, or 16 GB. My money's on 12. Memory bandwidth: Series s 224 GB/s T239 102 GB/s. OUCH. Polygon throughput: Series s: Rdna 1 geometry engine per SE, 1 tri a clock per engine, 2 SE @1.565 GHz: 3.13 Gtri's. No mesh shader support. T239: 1 polymorph engine per TPC, 1 Triangle per 2 clocks, or 0.5 tris per clock, 6 TPC's @1GHz= 3 Gtris/s. Supports mesh shaders so..... yeah, thats a pandoras box right there. Sorry I'm not great at grokking tri culling. Far as I can tell they're comparable enough. Ray tracing hardware: Series s: 80 TMU's @ 1.565 GHz 125.2 Gflops, only has a triangle intersect unit per tmu, can not be used for textures if used for rt. T239: 12 Gen 2 Ray trace cores @1 GHz, 2x ray intersect units (over gen1), bvh traversal unit, motion blur intersect unit, concurrent ray trace graphics and logic, 0.5 Tflops/top/ray compute per core per ghz = 6Tflops/Tops/rays rt compute performance. Like all ampere/ada cards, it's going to be nigh impossible to fully utilize, will be utilized only for a fraction of render time and then idle, and is not where performance hits from ray tracing use comes from. ML/ai model performance: Series S: 0 Tflops/s. RDNA has no hardware ml. T239: 4x matrix multiply, plus 2x sparse inference (for fp16 other data types have more). When running tensor ops on ai models the tensor cores have an 8x hardware acceleration over non tensor use. 3x8=24 Sparse Tensor Tflops fp16. This is where the power to run dlss comes from. Provided your tensor cores opmem aren't starved of data because you only have 4GB vram and are thrashing your memory constantly swapping in and out assets and can't consistantly provide the 200MB for feeding tensor cores for dlss 4k/100 MB for dlss 1080p. Like the ampere 2050 Mobile.

[@nindieboy4194]

It's rumored that it's a custom chip tho.

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

@@nindieboy4194 The T239 *is* EXTREMELY custom, there has never been a single GPC ampere before.

[@ladonews_ofc]

It's Ada Vs Rdna*

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

@ladonews_ofc No, it's not, the GPU is the GA10F, not AD.

[@dante19890]

so that will make it fall in the ps4 spec kinda but with more updated features

[@andrews4731]

So many people here want Nintendo to be this cheap and uninspired tablet that will play (probably worse) multi platform titles. That seems extremely short-sighted. Nintendo had always forged a path of innovation and used a unique approach to gaming. They literally reinvented handheld gaming this generation and everyone has copied them in the most blatant of ways. I think Nintendo will once again forge a new experience, improve upon what they did with Switch, but also go far beyond in ways most people cannot predict.

[@cuichu]

Yes. Switch 2 speculation 🤤

[@dante19890]

over optimistic speculation imo

[@RuuyG]

Really interesting video! But I think we should stop comparing the hardware to PS4 or Xbox One, not because it's not true, but because practically, de facto, it's not what it's gonna be from what we know. For your normal Joe that doesn't know anything about this stuff, Switch 2 will be looked at as being on par with at least the Series S. Constantly comparing SW2 to PS4 gives off a wrong impression to people that don't understand what DLSS is, even if you explain it, from what I read, a lot of people still don't get it. I think it would be easier for people if you said "PS4 Pro/ Series S", that's most likely how the games are going to look like in a *worst* case scenario. There is no way games will look like base PS4 or Xbox One, also not Steam Deck, outside of very few terrible ports maybe. Again, I'm not saying you guys are wrong by any means, I'm just talking about simplifying the conversation.

[@ThinkTinkh]

But doing the opposite will be even more misleading though 🤔

[@RuuyG]

@@ThinkTinkh no it wouldn't, the end effect will most likely be more ocmparable to next-gen. Like I said, for most people, they will loook at it and think "wow, this looks like Series S graphics" and not PS4, XBO.

[@ThinkTinkh]

@@RuuyG if you tell someone who doesn't know about the inherent details but is capable of visually distinguishing between raw graphics and augmented graphics, that the switch 2 is as powerful as the ps4 pro and Xbox series s, then they will look at the graphics of the switch 2 and be disappointed as they can see the difference. However if you tell them thst the raw graphics will be 8th Gen, but the additional tech will make it SEEM like it's close to Xbox series S, then they will either be fine or positively surprised by what they PERCEIVE Each to their own though👍

[@masterquake7]

A question I have is how hard into the new features will Switch 2 go? Do they have a framerates and clock adjustment control like Steam Deck which could allow more power profiles to let the user get more battery life by voluntarily saccing image quality or framerates or do they stick to the Apple style of "you'll take what we give you and like it."

[@barcster2003]

At best it will have performance or visuals mode like the other consoles and handheld it's likely stuck in performance mode.

[@joed5150]

It won't need to do any of that because unlike SD games coming to Switch 2 will be optimized which isn't the case with SD

[@xondarium7691]

there is no way nintendo would ever let their customers modify anything about their consoles

[@barcster2003]

@xondarium7691 yeah thinking you are going to be able to change alot is likely a no. I think best we can hope for is modes like other consoles have

[@Nobody-sp7ug]

Wait nanite supports mesh deformation animation now? I completely missed this when did that happen....

[@WickedRibbon]

I'm hoping the surprise emergence of the Steam Deck OLED indicates that an OLED, HDR capable screen is a real possibility for Switch 2. I mean, maybe OLED is finally prepared for affordable mass production at the scale Nintendo would demand?

[@dante19890]

that wont happen on switch 2. There is gonna be a later model with an oled

[@squirrellyswirl]

I don’t understand why there’s comments saying that if the Switch 2 doesn’t match the same power as PS5 then it’s a “failure.” First, a portable PS5 powered would have like 2 minutes battery life and explode in your face. Second, that’s delusional and wrong comparison. Even Sony can’t make a native PS5 portable so why set Nintendo up to fail exceeding high “expectations.” Third, it’s up to the game developers to take advantage of the new technology to implement in their games and have it run on supported hardware. There are barely any games on PS5 and Xbox that showcases next gen tech like raytracing (as discussed in this podcast IF YOU LISTEN to it). I think what’s happening is Sony and Xbox fans are afraid that the Switch 2 will look better and continue to body in game sales just like how the current Switch is performing. It must be embarrassing for those console warriors that a little old handheld is still making a killing in it’s 7th year on the market. If you don’t like Nintendo, just say so. Why spout doom and gloom about their imminent “failure” when you don’t know what it’ll be. Just remember that Nintendo sold over 132 million, probably reached 140 million at this point if not surpass it, of Switch consoles and Nintendo wants to transition all those people and then some to migrate to the next generation. I think they’ll be able to do it and I’m willing to sit back and let it happen.

[@DarkStarsDX]

Great discussion guys 🙏🏾

[@ThinkTinkh]

I am so happy this video exists because there is an incomprehensible large amount of people on KZbin that have absolutely delusional expectations of the switch 2 hardware. And it's probably the same people who have these expectations every. Single. Generation. It's absolutely incomprehensible to me.

[@NatetheHate]

We aim to bring the best discussions possible.

[@ThinkTinkh]

@@NatetheHate 🙂👍

[@ninja226]

One would figure someone from digital foundry would reel in the WAY over exaggerated and speculation for how powerful the switch 2 will/can be. Mobile ray tracing? You guys must believe the 8K posted on the PS5 box as well. In reality, lets all just HOPE the thing can get close to 4K on screen.

[@NatetheHate]

Apple just showed ray tracing on the iPhone... Steamdeck has ray tracing.

[@ninja226]

@@NatetheHate try using actual ray tracing on those devices. Big difference in showing a ray traced video and having the machine rendering it natively. Nvidia cards require completely different cores to render ray tracing and their own products struggle to do so on full sized gpu's. Reel it in, you're quite a bit out on this one.

[@NatetheHate]

The Switch 2 SoC has Tensor Cores. Nvidia is making the SoC. Why would Nvidia release a mobile chip in 2024 without one of their more impressive bits of tech?

[@stealth0n]

@@ninja226 Nvidia's PR talk is kinda hard to unwrap, but neither Tensor nor RT cores are actually "cores", they're more like a part of a SM (real physical "core") that have acceleration for ML/RT tasks. If they aren't in use - they perform other kinds of regular tasks, so not using ML/RT doesn't mean you leave performance on the table. And Apple's solution is very similar to that, so it's not unrealistic to expect some kind of RT implementation for Switch 2. You should also remember that RT comes in different forms, i.e. devs may stick to providing RT reflections only without relying on heavy global illumination solutions

[@luckyrockmore2796]

That 8K is such a joke 🤣

[@BlueUltima9999]

Anyone who is buying a Switch, for that expected $300 price point, doesn't care about having shinier floors If the tech gets there passively, then it'll be included, but Nintendo isn't going to brute force anything for the sake of visual competition Also Epic Games make an okay engine, but I would be fine to see the company lose money I value the commentary of industry veterans, but the ideological slobknobbing for visuals is kind of depressing to hear. Gameplay is more important than how pretty something is.

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Additional power and stuff like DLSS serves more than just 'shinier graphics'. It also affects gameplay and stability possibilities just as much. And I know, Nintendo fans have been in some heavy copium, repeating their mantra of "gameplay over graphics" even since Nintendo gave up and re-released the GameCube in 2006. That being said, I don't believe any of the rumors about Switch 2 being as powerful as a PS4 Pro and with DLSS. I expect the system to be almost indistinguishable from the current Switch in terms of graphics capabilities (similar to GameCube to Wii). But they will shoehorn some dumb gimmick that nobody wants (but some people will pretend is brilliant) in order to justify falling behind another generation. Expect 'Wii U: Part II'

[@BlueUltima9999]

@@N.i.E.M.O That's a couple hot takes right there But the big one is all games should focus on gameplay over just pretty graphics. Now game experience can be a part of gameplay as a whole, But a game is not supported solely on its fidelity. The game doesn't play well or is engaging with the player, then it doesn't really matter. And as for the copium bit, some of the best games that have come out in the last 10 years, while nice to look at, definitely put a higher development focus on the interactiveness of the gameplay experience, then over the shininess of it. And Ray tracing doesn't improve stability or performance in a reduction sense, it's purely there for the immersive experience. If you're talking about DLSS and like the procedural texture up resin and those technologies, that's different and that does contribute to the overall playability of the title on lower power machines.

[@LightSpinAngler]

I assume you have the same thought process about your significant other.

[@N.i.E.M.O]

@@BlueUltima9999 I don't disagree that how enjoyable a game is to actually play is more important than how graphically accomplished it is. But the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. When it comes to Nintendo, there should be no denying that they have been treading a path that requires the least amount of effort in terms of actual technological progress, relying solely on their development teams to work around these shortcomings in order to provide a gameplay experience that is still fun to play. But making a game 'fun; doesn't mean you have to sacrifice things such as modern graphical standards, or modern gaming features, in order to achieve that. I don't think any of the best Wii games would have been any less fun to play if they had graphics somewhat comparable to say, PS3 or 360. Point is, Nintendo as a company is (or has become) all about producing the cheapest product they can get away with with the least amount of effort. Yes, the development studios under their belt are some of the best in the industry, but you have to admit they are still being held back. And don't get me wrong, I know why they do it - to maximize profits - just like any other multi-billion dollar corporation would do. The problem is that the way Nintendo does it is a direct disservice to its consumers. Yes, they may 'technically' sell their products for 'cheaper' than the competition, but the product they are selling is also very outdated compared to everything else on the market. And just touching on specifics outside of outdated and underpowered hardware, we have a lacking online service which consists of a lack of basic modern gaming features, most notably the simple ability for voice chat AND basic text messaging systems - which is honestly baffling in today's age (and when some of Nintendo's own previous hardware had at least some kind of functionality, even as terrible as it was). And I'm not saying that MS and Sony don't have their own issues as well. They certainly do.

[@Ramunas211]

​@@N.i.E.M.O Switch was a Wii U part 2 (in specs wise,not in sales)

[@Juice2Fifty]

I’m loving all this content!!!

[@dante19890]

I dont see Switch2 sacrificing its very limited performance budget on pushing RT. Its gonna have a hard time already pushing a upscaled 4k output in docked mode to ur tv.

[@tripandfall2379]

Fantastic episode!

[@libardomm.trasimaco]

Great guest!

[@abaque24]

I think so- in fact, SE should let Team Asano handle ff17 and market it primarily on switch 2- and maybe they can finally ‘claim’ a success :U

[@Vyyc-m9g]

You guys are delusional. The FF fanbase is literally on the PS4 and PS5. FF16 was a successful game, just not as successful as they hoped it to be...but that's on SE. Spiderman 2 sold more than 5 million copies on PS5 in just a week and probably already at 6 million and more. If anyone got a bad deal with FF16 it was Sony, because they were the ones that payed for the marketing which was easily more than $100 million.

[@joed5150]

​@@Vyyc-m9gThe fanbase is also on Nintendo which is where the series began and it's first 6 games were exclusive to. Just look at the fact that the FF Pixel Remasters by far sold best on Switch compared to Playstation. Nintendo has always had a large portion of the Jrpg fanbase with Playstation having the other half

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Nintendo fans don't care about anything that isn't Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon. Even stuff like Metroid, which is still 1st party, sells like garbage in comparison. Nintendo may have been the 'home' of FF back in the day, but they haven't been for nearly three decades now. Many people playing Switch today weren't even born when FF was on Nintendo platforms. Besides, there's no way Switch 2 will be powerful enough to run any current (or last) gen FF games.

[@ravenebony2267]

​@N.i.E.M.O 😂 Not true. We have much wider tastes. You'd almost think we were individuals or something. 🤔

[@abaque24]

@@Vyyc-m9g you are totally correct that ff16 is a success- but not by financial standards, not that it sold poorly, but It was a *bad* investment in the eyes of SE- my guess is SE thinks the ROI was so bad they prob shouldn’t have even bothered to make it. XD

[@zezizezseze7544]

Would be really nice to see a Nintendo console tec wise similar to actual generation but not sure if they want that at all,last Nintendo console that was competitive in that regard was Gamecube..I know it wasn't a big success but would be great to have the best games with the best graphics also.Games like Metroid Prim3,RE 4,Fzero gx,etc etc were so good in all regards.

[@vivid8979]

The reason alot of Switch games stands out so much is because it's on a handheld... While theoretically more power = better looking game... It doesn't guarantee a better game... Not adding the fact that the competition when it comes to realistic graphics is already too crowded with PC/Xbox and PS5...

[@Dairunt1]

The reason as to why they quit the "specs race" it's because it wasn't enough to compete with Sony. That's not the case anymore with the Switch since they adopted the ARM architecture. I think Nintendo can seriously push ARM architecture forward as much as Sony and Microsoft does to x86.

[@HondoJarrus]

John from DF! 😲Great on any game-tech conversation but fantastic for Nintendo/retro games.👏 Nice get!

[@chillnspace777]

With dlss and how knows what else it could compare to those consoles

[@corey2232]

I just don't trust Nintendo to care about these features. It'll also be able 4 years into the PS5/SX gen, and it'll be launching very underpowered for that point in time. If MS & Sony release midgen refreshes, it'll make games look even more dated than Switch vs PS4/XB1 comparisons. Nvidia may have tried to persuade Nintendo about the importance of features like DLSS, ray tracing, 4k output, etc. but Nintendo is just as likely to think, "nah, we know better" or "if the market is doing X, we'll do Y instead." I guess I'm more pessimistic because I'm such an old school Nintendo fan, and they tend to get complacent when on top.

[@luckyrockmore2796]

They're definitely not giving a crap about Ray Tracing

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

It needs to be as powerful as the PS4Pro at least

[@Transport4ThatDumpTruck]

Series s atleast somewhat..for the sake of the whole generation

[@minecrafter3448]

It really doesn’t, seeing as we’ll be getting dlss to up the resolution

[@dante19890]

more like base ps4 but it has updated features that will make it push above its weight

[@voicemxil]

Way too many ads

[@zachcarmichael699]

32:10 No reason why it can't have 16GB. Steam Deck starts at $399 with 16GB.

[@NatetheHate]

We went lower as a baseline of expectation. Personally, I think we get 16GB.

[@RhythmGrizz]

I'm expecting 10-12Gb RAM

[@Tass...]

I think even just this week the Hogwarts game sales in the UK software charts on the Switch highlights the 3rd party importance for Nintendo. And that's a horrible port in all honesty.

[@MedalionDS9]

Don't buy the initial hype that Switch 2 will be as powerful or graphically comparable to current gen systems... these guys are trying to warn you that you can expect a massive leap in fidelity from Switch to Switch 2, but may fall short of PS5 and Xbox Series systems, let alone by the time they release their mid-gen refreshes which will further surpass the Switch 2

[@nindieboy4194]

I'm pretty much happy if we will get steam deck like specs with the Nvidia features. This would make the switch 2 very competent to at least run all the new 3rd party stuff and run the older 3rd party stuff like elden Ring or sekiro or final fantasy 7 remake at a pretty high quality.

[@luckyrockmore2796]

Awesome! Maybe we can finally get 4K 60 fps like they originally promised this gen three years ago....with more buggy and glitched games.

[@mikeclark4480]

Nate, MVG and John ? Seriously you guys trying to break the 4th wall? Will be a great show !

[@Gamachy]

Yes, we are back.

[@SamoSloga]

New switch 2 without the oled screen is a no no no...

[@D3CK_co]

Doubt switch will make it very close to Xbox S/X or PS5 but would be pretty impressive if they got close with a hybrid home/ handheld console

[@anthonybelvedere1389]

Nate, nobody brought up to DF about the rumour of a seriously bumped version of DLSS that DF heard sbout???

[@noelsilva8887]

To me the switch 2 can be like ps4 or pro in power and I’m good

[@dante19890]

more in line with base ps4 raw compute wise. But with updated features

[@MedalionDS9]

Keep em coming, Nate!

[@JaymesForte]

I think a lot of people forget this is a different Nintendo miyamoto ain’t running things anymore this new CEO is all about the money making and he even said Nintendo’s biggest failure during the Wii was not making a HD version. I think a pro switch was in the books but with Covid and the chip shortage it wouldn’t have worked that’s why I believe games like Control and Kingdom Hearts got turned to cloud versions. The steam deck hardware is also cheaper to develop now 2 years later so Nintendo needs to future proof this system. And shoot for above the steam deck. I know everyone thinks Nintendo is going to just coast and under perform but I can see that with their development getting bigger like Tears of the kingdom and Xenoblade those devs are asking for more power. Even Capcom suggested more ram for the current switch so I can see them shooting for 10. Also the fact that a lot of games are probably still in the tuck like a new Mario Kart, Metroid and maybe getting a big 3rd party during the launch year like BG3 or Alan Wake would be good. We never thought Skyrim would ever be on switch and guess what it happened

[@RKIC]

More than half of all Switch games sold were published by Nintendo, there are only 2 standout third party releases on the hardware, Monster Hunter Rise and Minecraft, in terms of dollar sales it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo published games were somewhere between 3/4 to 4/5, multiplats are just not a relevant aspect to the Switch's software ecco system. I really don't think that supporting ray tracing is at all a necessity to the Switch 2's success.

[@Jormunguandr]

Nintendo are wizards making magical games on limited hardware. So more system juice is cherry on top

[@bleack8701]

a bit of a hot tale, but the "Switch 2" version looks better. Floor tiles aren't mirrors. But that's not the point of it, I know

[@ztw2002]

knowing Nintendo, they are probably aiming at PS4 Pro level of graphic

[@ThinkTinkh]

Knowing Nintendo, they're aiming at slightly below Xbox one graphics in raw power and between ps4 and ps4 pro power in PERCEIVED power due to all the new tech

[@viridionwaves]

You guys were comparing the 2050 to the new switch, but you totally forgot power consumption. No way the power that config was drawing would be supported for long in a mobile device. Nintendo always prioritizes long life, so they won't make it that powerful.

[@lackofcheese344]

They did say the 2050 experiment was downclocked.

[@C--A]

Nintendo will be aiming for Xbox Series S performance when docked for the Switch sucessor. Plus superior ray tracing and upscaling that Nvidia DLSS offers. Handheld mode the Switch sucessor will have better performance than the Steam Deck. Especially multiplatform AAA releases.

[@viridionwaves]

@@lackofcheese344 clocks are not equivalent to power draw though

[@ironicdivinemandatestan4262]

The TDPs aren't at all comparable since the 2050 is on x86 whereas the Switch 2 will be on ARM, so it'll get much more performance per watt.

[@Tech-is1xy]

@@viridionwaves I reckon on a 4nm process (which is most likely what Nintendo will opt for) that same 2050 could run at below 15w

[@just_a_character]

Sure, it can try. Without Call of Duty and other big 3rd party titles, it’ll be tough.

[@geneticjen9312]

Why without? They haven't changed their mind have they?

[@t.fernbach602]

Yes, because that issue certainly rendered the Switch a failure.

[@just_a_character]

The Switch is in competition with other systems and has won. But the new system will need to convert those with a Switch en masse (that’ll be tough) and appeal to new customers. PlayStation is the dominant platform outside of PC for the biggest games. Fortnite, COD, etc… if the new Switch is going to compete and draw those customers away, they need to out-due the PS5. All my opinion - happy to hear what you all have to say.

[@artisan_james]

Guys... Switch 2 could be as powerful as a PS5 and it still wouldnt get all the multiplats...

[@tdotran]

I’m sure the answer is yes. lol

[@N.i.E.M.O]

Prepare to be dissapointed.

[@PAIN007NAGATO]

lolz yeah if its not portable & cost arm and a leg

[@moker1215]

RT is the new hype now on mobile machines? Smh.

[@upsidedownjim]

Could Switch 2 games come in multiple lower capacity cards that require installation - to save on higher capacity card costs? ie, x2 - 64GB cards vs x1 - 128 GB card. I don't know if lower capacity cards would be cheaper than a single higher capacity card. Probably not, just a thought. Also, requiring installation could be to use faster internal storage, similar to SSD installs on PS5 and XSX. Perhaps a microSD card slot for storage but require copying files to the system storage to run. I'd also like to see multiple SKU with higher internal storage. I'd rather pay more upfront rather than be limited by a lack of storage just to hit a price point - with the option for lower cost to hit more mass market. We'll see!

[@snpgamingchannel4551]

Yes HDR please!!!

[@nullgator8073]

I'm fairly sure the execs in Japan have almost no consideration of the steamdeck at all, based on how they've acted in the past. If there's any awareness of the steamdeck it's coming exclusively from the Nvidia side of the partnership

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

Digital foundry are trolling at this point and sucking lemons they hate the idea of it being able to do this

[@Erynsen01]

Will you answer the forst part of my streamlab questions you accidentally skipped during last week first episode in the next one? :/

[@NatetheHate]

This was recorded 2 weeks ago & well before your question was asked.

[@Erynsen01]

​​@@NatetheHateOkay okay, I see, but still, that wasn't what I asked. Will you keep the question you skipped to answer it during your next podcast? I'd appreciate.

[@NatetheHate]

We'll include it in our next episode, yes.

[@PrussianBlu3]

The super switch will NOT be more powerful than a Steam Deck unless they use 3nm chips..

[@hellsong23]

Drinking game. Every time John says "left" you take a drink with your left hand. Every time John says "right" you take a dri...ok you get it.

[@chrisgideonrosario]

What if its called Switch Twin Wonder Omega (TWO) LOL 😅

[@AuthorJoelKrupa]

Nintendo seriously needs to hit a home run on the new hardware. If we’re literally going for a sequel to the Switch, we need a serious bump in specs. The brand new Baldurs Gate and Resident Evil series (not cloud ☁️ but actually on the system.) Quit the cloud crap and bump the specs on the NS2.

[@Jdogtoocool]

Posted at the same time as RGT 😅

[@LightSpinAngler]

Rgt eats pee pees

[@SadoKurosaki]

Wtf what is this, no switch 2 gameplay?

[@HuGiv5]

Switch 2 games looking like Series X or PS5 is a huge amount of copium LMAO Delusional

[@dante19890]

yeah. they are delulu for sure

[@Kyshakk]

Anyone expecting Nintendo to go back to power is going to be disappointed. They’ll go for the cheapest parts as always as they have been.

[@Vyyc-m9g]

Yep. People are delusional if they really think Nintendo cares about pushing the power of their hardware. It will be the bare minimum like the Switch. This is a business to make profit, not to please hardcore gamers. Their games sell no matter what, they don't need a powerful system.

[@talison461]

Xbox and playstation do what nintendon't.

[@pnkwds]

You do understand, when the switch came out it was the strongest Mobile chip they could put out at the time right? switch came out in early 2017(March), production probably started around end of 2015/beginning 2016. They had to have the chip decided by that time already, people really have selective memory.

[@pnkwds]

Context: Released in 2015, Nvidia's Tegra X1 (codenamed "Erista") features two CPU clusters, one with four ARM Cortex-A57 cores and the other with four ARM Cortex-A53 cores, as well as a Maxwell-based graphics processing unit.

[@mitchellrogers5130]

Check out when Nintendo recently did an announcement stating they are no longer chasing dated hardware and are now officially going after cutting edge tech. Most people don’t seem to remember this even though it wasn’t that long ago

[@randywilliams6248]

Nintendo isn't going to bring a powerhouse, we all know this. The difference (hopefully) will be they also provide developers the tools and resources they need in order to help bring projects over. You younglings all werent there bwck in the day but Nintendo struggled with this for years and years from an architectural viewpoint, it wasn't just because cartridges vs. Discs, etc. You can't argue they didnt take all of this into consideration with the Switch. Is it the best, no. But for a budget console it's not bad at all. You people are missing the point of the conversation lol

[@dipeshrai3448]

Devs were not sure about switch's success after wii u disaster.

[@randywilliams6248]

@dipeshrai3448 agreed, but..... I would think this time around there is going to be a bit more excitement from the development community if I had to imagine, closer to launch at least. We'll see if they can capture the same momentum again.

[@psykorobot6807]

Sorry it won't even be close. Even with any special Nvidia DLSS added. Way too much fantasizing going on here. Just a similarly power capable CPU to the current consoles (which is actually the most important part not he overall graphics because of the need modern games have) would drain a system in a short period without a laptop size battery, not to mention melt the small device because it would need more cooling then could be put in a device. Now you want to put ray tracing in there. You guys are going to sorely disappointed. You are looking at last gen PS4 Pro (with some added GPU features) but nothing close to this gen. I find it funny you think all these other companies just don't know how to build computers and consoles and Nintendo does and somehow they will magically do what others can do within the price point and small size a Switch 2 must meet. Of course, if Nintendo does not go with a mobile device, then all bets are off.

[@lackofcheese344]

Remember that the specs and chips have leaked a while ago. And like, actually leaked, not "my uncle at nintendo" on 4chan, it was leaked in a ransomware attack. We know roughly what it's capable of. It has RT cores. That's a fact.

[@Antitious]

What about 4k? That's going to be a standard here shortly as well. If DLSS is just bringing us ray tracing and not 4k, what's the point! I hope Nintendo aims for performance & visuals above the Xbox series X. Thank you guys for the video. Speculation is all wii have until Nintendo finally announces it.

[@tumultuousv]

4k isn't the standard really. Unless you like watching a movie for gameplay

[@Antitious]

@tumultuousv I said it will be a standard shortly. Just like how 1080p became the standard from 720p.

[@K7TZ]

At most, its only as powerful as iphone 15

[@ladonews_ofc]

No, Its powerful as S24 ultra with snapdragon 8 gen 3

[@beyondearth6418]

STOP SAYING "RIGHT" right?

[@healthbeauty7853]

Switch graphics look like xbox 360, Switch 2 graphics will look like xbox one. That's all I need to say.

[@erickvalencia2016]

John rules (cuz he knows what he's tlking about)

[@LordelX]

The Switch 2 doesn’t just have to compete with the PS5, Xbox Series and the Steam deck…it has to compete with the PS6, Xbox Series 2 and the Steam deck 2. If the Switch 2 releases in 2025, it could be around until 2032.

[@C--A]

The PS6 won't be here until 2028 at the earliest! And the Switch almost 7 years old is still comfortably outselling the Xbox Series X&S globally 👍🏾 Xbox gaming hardware isn't that popular anymore! Steam Deck hasn't even sold 4 million units, it's no threat to Nintendo 😂

[@luckyrockmore2796]

They can't even get so called AAA games right on the Series X and PS5 this gen....and long dev cycles....Switch 2 will be fine doing their own thing

[@jeffhernandez6880]

This is a terrible comparison, the switch one plays amazing even with 10 year old hardware, same with ps5 it competes with my 4090, they have hardware designed SPECIFICALLY for gaming, u can't compare PC with gaming consoles with "equivalent" specs

[@ProjectMirai64]

very nice

[@bossborne9346]

If you believed anything this guys said you are a clow remember he said 2022 we was going to get a switch pro and zelda ports

[@LightSpinAngler]

Daddy can do no wrong. 🥵 💦

[@ChickenNuggetCancer]

oh no, I’m a clow?

[@anonwalkerr]

Avengers assemble holyyy