Nintendo Switch BAD????

Coney's back with another Fact and Opinion where he debates your hot gaming takes on Twitter. In this episode, Coney hears your thoughts on whether Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild is a bad game, what people want in a fighting game, whether unlocking things is fun, how long JRPGs take to beat, and if the Nintendo Switch is a bad console that will never make triple A title on the scale of Sony. What do you think? Are these Facts or Opinions?
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[@SODASSBU]

The person "complaining" about unlockables clearly has not felt the statisfaction of unlocking Dry Bowser in mario kart wii

[@Kaiser25]

Legit the best feeling when you make it has a kid, one of my proudest achievements

[@drumo2273]

Dude you deadass brought back a wave of memories I completely forgot about in like 5 seconds

[@l1ghtn1n_str1ke7]

I felt so god damn good unlocking them

[@meduckie1143]

rosalina without mario galaxy disc was even harder, but 100% this

[@JayceCH.]

They want DLC

[@IanZWhite00]

13:17 Coney pulling up statistics and _immediately_ being proven wrong is my favorite running gag of this series

[@IanZWhite00]

The best part is he still isn’t even _really_ wrong, cause you get what he’s saying, but it’s like the numbers are on a mission to make it as hard as possible for him to explain himself

[@quinnafred]

If people say nintendo cant make a game like Horizon clearly theyve never heard of Learning with Pokemon: Typing Adventure

[@Chulp_75]

Max Dood has a great video explaining the whole tier list phenomenon, especially the whole thing about how they don’t matter for most people

[@happycamperds9917]

As the Arch-Nemesis of PANDA, Jiyuna has also started a campaign against them.

[@elystork8733]

@@happycamperds9917 Pretty sure you're thinking of Brian_F

[@dragocrafterr8286]

@@elystork8733 Ooh I know that Brian guy, he's Sajam on Twitch right?

[@Aidswayz]

Just by that intro alone makes me fully believe Coney acts like a dictator

[@RobinNashVideos]

More like a cult leader. I'm all for it

[@cacticacti4581]

a cool one at that

[@yeetusdefeetus]

Well as a viewer: basically

[@zaydhusain1395]

Think we should turn this series into Coney's Facts and that's it

[@nathanieljones8043]

more like coney's opinions he got like 4 things wrong

[@swaglord4666]

@@nathanieljones8043 stay mad Nintendo fan

[@nathanieljones8043]

@@swaglord4666 they already made big AAA games that's what breath of the wild is. That's why the combat sucks it's just Ubisoft combat

[@invincibledk3739]

@@nathanieljones8043 I enjoyed the combat in Breath of the Wild my only problem was the low durability on weapons.

[@RoseaSword]

nintendo consoles are intended to be simpler, and the games reflect that, they feel comfortable making simple and intuitive games rather than high production value games. thats the way they stand out, and they should and will never make a superior console because of that. we love mario because of its simplicity, and we as a community have mixed feelings on TLoU2 because its unintuitive and doesnt feel that fun. I never thought of this until now, but I totally agree with will on that. they probably arent incapable however, but dont feel like it and thats the right choice for nintendos success

[@zackrose6261]

Though he shouldn't have used pokemon has an example, that isn't a first party game funnily enough.

[@tonberry2670]

Making a console with good hardware doesn't mean they have to overcomplicate the games that come with them. A game being simple does not say one thing or the other about a games quality and there are plenty of games that can tow the line between complicated and being fun.

[@alondite215]

But Nintendo's games _aren't_ simpler. In fact, that have way more depth than just about any other game out there. Play Smash at a tournament level and tell me that it's simple. Watch top-level Breath of the Wild play and tell me it's simple. Or Super Mario 64 speedruns. Being intuitive and easy to play at a basic level is not the same as being simplistic.

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@@alondite215 You're missing the point

[@alondite215]

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 No, I'm really not. I'm not sure you understand what the point is considering that your fundamental premise is demonstrably incorrect.

[@TheGameforestguy]

Unblocking characters gradually in a competitive game (read: fighting game) tends to serve the purpose of gradually introducing your players to all your games characters, rather than overwhelming them by throwing your whole 30-character roster at them at once. I'm a fan of large rosters, but there have been so many fighting games I've put down because I was overwhelmed with the sheer amount of new information dumped onto my lap at once. That being said, unlocking all characters should be either easy, or optionally instantaneous with something like a cheat code. There will always be people who can deal with a huge, new roster (in fact, many find this fun). Especially true if your game is a sequel with returning characters.

[@gilolaes4725]

As a developer (not of video games), allowing for customer feedback and unequivocally, wholeheartedly listening to whatever they have to say are two very different things. You can actually have it both ways on that one.

[@guspauline7460]

Thanks.

[@XylessBrawl]

Coney: “Chrono Trigger takes 40+ hours if you go after every ending” Me: “why is anyone counting that coney, no”

[@eriklindell6458]

The music was so loud

[@Piyamakarro]

Good

[@OneWholeFrog]

Coney: devs shouldn’t listen to the gamers, they should follow their vision Their vision: *sticker star and color splash noises*

[@haydenschaff8179]

Chat was right, it’s both. Devs need to implement their vision while considering feedback for quality of life improvements.

[@nuibaba280]

@@haydenschaff8179 Exactly

[@gilolaes4725]

The thumbnail question is only really controversial because it implies Nintendo is lesser because they can't "get on sony's level" and thus aren't making "AAA" games. Like, yeah, Nintendo probably couldn't make a Last of Us. Sony has also unequivocally demonstrated that they can't make a good Mario. I also hate how "AAA Game" has taken on such a warped meaning, as if the seminal entries of the most iconic video game franchises of all time are somehow not "AAA". If anything, call God of War and The Last of Us arthouse games or something, idk.

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

I would qualify a game like fall guys as a triple A title, so it would depend on what actually merits a game for classification If it's about which game has the highest budget, the halo games have flopped since H3. If it's about box office, I'm pretty sure a lot of people reserved Bioshock Infinite and the studio fell apart in the long run Regardless though, Sony isn't good for _making_ games they are experts at selling the platform. Its like how people like Mac for iTunes and software like photoshop, but iTunes doesn't make the music and you can use photoshop on just about any OS Your Last of Us example is study on exceptional publishing relations. It was the way Lorne Lanning described their partnership when he was releasing oddworld for the first time. So give a game like Crash to Vendi Versal and you get whatever Wrath of Cortex was. Regardless of what studio designed them, Sony never had a hand in their production- they were just a buffer so that the cost over publishing rights didn't screw the developers into bankruptcy Nintendo on the other hand DOES have creative control over their primary titles and they ARE AAA games. The thumbnail is talking about having a game like Fire Emblem compete with other exclusives for quarterly earning margins They are sitting pretty under that cushy Nintendo banner, but if they had to hold their own against a God of War, there would be 3 FE characters in Smash instead of 17. If you want to argue that they're solid games, so was Starfox 64 and it didn't save the IP from being underwhelming down the line When we're talking about AAA, its a measure of what games encourage the purchase of consoles and peripherals/services. So why you would buy Mario Galaxy 2 and a Wii over Gears of War 2 and an Xbox 360 elite. The latter has people wanting to buy an console for Xbox live multi-player. The [former] I guess because you have faith in Miyamoto being a genius and maybe you live the wii remote _that_ much

[@gilolaes4725]

@@ramblincapuchin9075 I'm gonna be honest, I've gone through your response about a dozen times and it still reads like word soup. From what I can tell, you're basically saying that, if Nintendo's exclusives had to compete with the likes of Sony and XBox exclusives, removed from the Nintendo ecosystem, they probably wouldn't be able to keep up. If that's the case, then all I can say is that, even when you remove the Nintendo ecosystem bias, most of Nintendo's output doesn't really compete with the big name Sony and XBox exclusives. The two closest you can argue are probably Splatoon and Breath of the Wild, being the closest things you can get to a Nintendo shooter and open world game respectively, but even then those games either target completely different demographics to their "big 2" counterparts or have enough unique design to differentiate themselves from the pack.

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

@@gilolaes4725 Well you'd be right on your last point up unto the measure of innovation that [differentiates] them within the categories you've mentioned For starters TLoZ hasn't been open world for a long time, so whatever nuance or charm that Zelda brings to that format, let's just say that nostalgia plays an enormous role. To save you some "word soup" maybe start by discussing what cooking brings to open world games _more_ than what it brings to a Zelda game. Cooking is a primary convention of BotW's design, is it special or just interesting In likesame fashion, what does Splatoon's camera style bring to shooters better than it would Splatoon as its own game (like the Octo expansion) To get truer to _my point_ : is there enough of what those games are in their respective games to make people want to buy consoles just to play them. Let's say that for the sake of the argument that they still had enough investors and capital that they had the same polish to qualify as a AAA. The argument, at the end of the day- is that Nintendo doesn't actually do big budget, they make cheap toys and sell you on the fun According to you, you only get to be AAA when you're a big budget exclusive. I take it that polished titles like Splatoon don't measure up because the company they work for only pumps out products after they've been refined like white sugar

[@gilolaes4725]

@@ramblincapuchin9075 I can't exactly tell if you're making this argument in good faith when you're asking me to defend BotW on the basis of its...cooking system. Or to defend Splatoon based on its...camera system. It's points like these that make me throw up my hands and say that I have no earthly idea what you're going on about and that we'll just have to agree to disagree. With that being said, have a great day

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

@@gilolaes4725 Throw up your hands if you please I'm not the one making the claim that these games would make it on their own merit If you can't give me even one good reason why you feel that way,while I gave you a few arbitrary ones off the dome to suspend MY disbelief, then I must I'm speaking to someone pretty petty Figures, this is Coneys demographic. My guess is your parents gave you a phone and you just ran with it

[@threeprongedfork7061]

HOT TAKE: whether devs listen to gamers isn't a yes no choice. Look at Hades, and look at Fall Guys. The devs listened to the players on both accounts, but one won multiple GOTY awards and one died after a month. Devs should listen to the players but not to the screaming mob telling you to name game elements after memes

[@sir_smilesalot7589]

Yes but those two games are in completely different genres; one is a party style battle royale and the other is a single player rougelike. Its also easier to say a game like Fall guys is dead because the game is based around having huge amounts of people playing it (also keep in mind the game was made around a fad, being battle royales)

[@andymcclurg9916]

Not a hot take, just a balanced one.

[@darthrighty]

New Coney video, today is a good day

[@Logplank]

I agree

[@wealthforthecommoners3146]

3:17 the guy posting the tweet is really saying no two people play a geometry dash level the same

[@DineAuZor]

That's fact, you can sometimes jump in the beginning or don't jump, that's different

[@gilolaes4725]

How on earth does BotW "simplify its core gameplay" in general? If anything, they've replaced static systems with more dynamic ones. Like, yeah, you don't need to get and use every item to beat the game like in previous LoZ titles, but the vast majority of the items and systems in play have very useful purposes and need to be mastered in ordered to get to the end.

[@sticks4632]

I think they ment simplify dungeons

[@alondite215]

@@sticks4632 Dungeons are smaller, not simpler. BotW's dungeon puzzles are actually way more complex than basically any other Zelda dungeons.

[@JayceCH.]

@@alondite215 They are mentally more simpler. Just because its 3D, doesnt make it more complicated.

[@alondite215]

@@JayceCH. They are not "mentally simpler." BotW's dungeons evoke dynamics and require spacial reasoning on a level far above what Zelda has ever done before.

[@michaelgear4598]

Coney help i keep pressing the subscribe button and sometimes it goes grey and sometimes red, what does this mean?

[@zacharyyoungblood7013]

It means you haven't pressed it enough, keep going

[@conradcooper2710]

If Coney had good opinions, he'd probably be my favorite content creator. Sadly, his opinions make me too angry to call him the best.

[@ToadPlayer64]

Me: I can't wait to hear what facts and opinions Coney has to share today Coney: *Fall Guys music*

[@DineAuZor]

Coney is so right at 18:34 and onwards Why do you think Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Fifa or Pokemon games are always the same? Because everytime all the fans will just complain until the new game is the exact copy of the old one. I'm sure developers dont want to create the same game again and again, and if it wasnt for sales they would just do something unique each time.

[@twosalt4621]

Coney pulling the Bomberman R soundtrack immediately made my day.

[@Rinin.]

Coney getting dunked in by chat about Ring Fit sends me

[@grotn_]

The Ring Fit Guy was spitting facts tbh

[@LetterNumber]

What is Breath of the Wild? A BBB game?

[@cynical_perks8725]

Damn that Virum one was fucking godlike and on point. So many fighting game fans talk like they’re all capable of making Top 8 at a tournament.

[@funnyusername4774]

About the thing at 5:31, I think the reason lots of people want depth so bad isn’t necessarily so that they can reach the bottom, it’s so they can stop diving deeper wherever they feel comfortable. And if the mood strikes them, the option to go deeper is still there. Allow me to use an *epic fucking gamer analogy* real quick. Is there really any Minecraft player in the world that, under normal circumstances, is going down a cool cave system with a bunch of stuff in it only for it to suddenly end, and isn’t even a little bummed out to some extent? That’s kind of what I’m getting at, and unlike Minecraft you can’t even choose to dig further, you just have to be done and move on to something else because it’s not in your control, which sucks. Plus, Melee alone is a testament to how far depth can take a game, intentional or not. I don’t disagree that lots of players want that immediate satisfaction of feeling strong and cool from the get go, but when that satisfaction is done with, what does the game have left?

[@alondite215]

Most people don't even know what depth is. They'll experience depth without even realizing or appreciating it because they don't understand what it is, how important it is, or how rare it actually is in video games. Most games don't extend beyond one or two interplay counters, meaning that interactions end far too quickly for depth to even develop. And not every bit of interplay needs to be deep; a similar effect can be created through the counterpoint of layering multiple forms of contrary motion to create something more nuanced, even if the individual interactions lack depth.

[@ricardoludwig4787]

On the ""devs listening to gamers" deal, they should listen to people, but then stick to their guns on what actually matters. Feedback matters a lot on many aspects and can seriously improva a game, and having access to it is always good, but Devs should still have their convictions

[@Wattmelon]

I think listening to the gaming community is only really beneficial for indie games with smaller communities. When it comes to big name franchises like Zelda, there’s gonna be a very vocal part of the community that will backlash against anything new because they’ve played a bunch of Zelda games before, and that’s not what they perceive as Zelda. For smaller independent titles, there’s usually no preconceived idea of what the game should be, and while there’s still gonna be toxic comments from people about how they think the game should work/look/feel, they’ll usually be easier to weed out and separate from the actual constructive criticism some players provide.

[@DesTr069]

About the feedback form gamers during development, I think it changes depending on the project. On some games, feedback can be great, (best example I can think of is Hades being in pre-release for a couple years so the devs could adjust their ideas to feedback), but if the devs have their vision and are confident in their game, then they should stick with it. So, yes, it is both :)

[@miikomakes8083]

good vid but the music is a bit loud, try mixing the sound a bit better, its kinda hard to hear whats going on at points (like 5:40)

[@bretfinck1665]

Can’t agree more that the gamers don’t need to be listened to at every step. We may have some good ideas, but for the most part, the entire populace has some dogshit takes.

[@scooterulez]

Granted, the whole “Nintendo AAA Game” deal is really based on artistic choice. Your graphics mean nothing in comparison to story and art direction

[@KroCalGames]

"Devs SHOULDN'T listen to gamers" FREAKING THANK YOU. I always feel like most people don't know what they are talking about when they criticize a game, especially with ongoing competitive ones.

[@sir_smilesalot7589]

What about Bethesda releasing unfinished, buggy games that run on an incredibly old engine thats almost 15 years old? Or EA pumping out games that are 60 dollars with microtransactions? These are terrible practices that show the lengths that game companies are willing to be either lazy or greedy, and if consumers do not call them out on their bullshit they will keep getting away with it.

[@KroCalGames]

@@sir_smilesalot7589 He said there are exceptions and I think we should call those out. But he's more so addressing nitpicks than actual problems.

[@sir_smilesalot7589]

@@KroCalGames I mean there are alot of examples of companies being lazy or outright greedy, and these are huge problems that consumers should address. The post was saying that game companies SHOULD NOT listen to criticism. Not rarely, not every once in awhile; never. If they meant otherwise then they should have said so in the tweet. Granted, I can understand that it would be annoying having to listen to peoples gripes about a game, but what is stopping companies from just dismissing actual criticism of their game as "nitpicking haters" at that point?

[@alondite215]

Yeah, gamers in general really know _nothing_ about game design or gameplay. I'd bet that 99% of gamers can't even properly define what a "mechanic" is, despite it being the fundamental core of game design.

[@sir_smilesalot7589]

@@alondite215 you don't have to be a genius or know basic game design when something is really bad. If a game *feels* bad to play, you don't need to even have a technical understanding about anything- you just know it, in a sense. Do you need a degree in computer science to know that Sonic 06' is a technical failure on almost every front? Do you also need a degree in music to be able to appreciate classical music? No. When something is good (or bad) it doesn't take a vast amount of credibility to understand why it is that way. Its just critical thinking and common sense at that point.

[@juanbarron5403]

coney saying developers shouldnt listen to the players after 15 years of getting abused by nexon and Maplestory really hurt my soul. They absolutely should.

[@etherwxlf]

About Pokemon Legends Arceus, that's definitely an opinion specifically because they said "since the beginning". I'unno about y'all but an open-world Pokemon on Gameboy? Helllll naw.

[@calebolds9609]

The strength of Nintendo is that they now make consoles which don't compete with other consoles. Most people who buy consoles are going to choose between Xbox and PS4, and then get a switch in addition to whichever of those two that they choose.

[@goonerOZZ]

XBox or PS or PC then buy a Switch

[@swoodmaster0242]

Just because a developer has a vision for their game doesn't mean that it's a good vision. While developers shouldn't listen to all input that fans have, there are benefits to accepting criticism and acknowledging some of the wishes of those who enjoy your games. You can't please everyone, but making a game that will please the most amount of potential consumers is the best way to maximize profit... And profit is kind of important.

[@SIMIFU]

...do people know what AAA really means when it comes to a game? My thoughts: Its things like top grade voice actors, licensed music (thats a big one). Its not just visuals, but people seem to only think that. Cyberpunk has those main 3 things...you really want argue that?

[@AAABattery__]

I’m sorry, but first tweet not gonna lie was kinda cringe. Odyssey actually brought a really great formula to platforming imo, with the use of cappy, it provided so many new tricks to the table. And the use of the triple jump, summersault, and all these other moves which makes Odyssey so great. So many levels had such great design, with how they brought the 2D segments. I love how they brought those into a 3D game, incredible. BUT another great FAO from coney and chat

[@alondite215]

Eh, Odyssey's leve designs are actually kind of shit. They lack interplay and are absolutely loaded with functionally negative space. 3D Land is the best example of 3D Mario design because it actually employs all 3 axis in a meaningful way in virtually all of its platforming challenges. Levels are dense with interactive opportunity, and the interactions themselves are deeper.

[@chibiraptor]

Card game players will claim they want to play the most complex card game, but legend of the 5 rings struggled to find an audience. Competitive players want to feel smart, not play the technically most complex game.

[@Jacob_G9]

7:55 AND GOD I DON'T WANT THEM TO. Even their longest movie games (Xenoblade) are mostly gameplay despite having 15 Hour cutscenes.

[@100mvvari6]

Greatest series on KZbin Fact or Opinion? 99% - FACT 1% - OPINION

[@johnnytamale8676]

He literally proved himself wrong with ring fit example and just kept dying on that hill

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

I don't think it's that Nintendo can't make AAA game like Sony or Microsoft because the previous consoles before the wii have proved that they absolutely could if they wanted to. Games like metroid prime and any of the nintendo 64 lineup for the time were some the best looking games. Nintendo has some of the most talented game developers of all time, they absolutely could make a huge console with AAA level polish if they wanted to, but they just don't because they value other things.

[@redramone6488]

Now I know you are the funny content man, but saying devs should mostly not listen to gamers is absurd. Think about Cyberpunk. Do you think the devs should think, "Our game isn't buggy, we're not listening, la la la la la...", or do you think they should address the bugs? The problem is the first comment is talking about communication and the second is taking about criticism. You then generalize both to mean, 'Should devs listen to gamers?' which is not what the first comment said. I consider game testers to be gamers as well, should the devs not listen to them? Even when the game is in an uncompleted alpha stage and the devs hire game testers to... criticise them? The first comment has two parts. The first being " If devs communicate with gamers, it will ALWAYS be beneficial when creating a game that most will enjoy ", which is wrong. Of course, it won't always be beneficial as some people are just wrong about things. But to say the majority of times, devs should not listen... I mean I get that from a business perspective. Cyberpunk would have lost sales if the devs were honest and said it was an incomplete buggy mess. If you only were addressing the first part, I'd be more inclined to agree, as the first part is only talking about game creation. The problem is you lump the first part into the second part and the second comment when they address a different issue. Simple question, how can the act of communicating itself lead to a worse game? Of course, if a commenter for a fighting game said, "Can you make my main as busted as brawl meta knight plz and thx." and the devs listened then, of course, it would ruin the game. The second part of the first comment never said to listen to everyone and implement their feedback, but to simply have communication. The second comment is absolutely wrong, cause it said "Developers should stop listening to criticism". As the hypothetical example at the beginning of this comment shows, that is absurd. The devs shouldn't listen to everyone or listen to no one, it should be on a case by case basis.

[@the_exxtra1425]

I think devs should listen to how people are feeling and not what they are saying. If they wanna take consumer feedback at all and take it at face value, then of course itll be shit. It's like if you order food or art and the client says they want a certain thing, they'll keep changing stuff and never know what they want. If a person says a gun suck, it's probably not because the gun sucks. Maybe the enemies are annoying, maybe another gun is better, maybe it just looks kinda funny and they don't wanna use it. Players have a lot to say, but are HORRIBLE at articulation.

[@moisessalazar365]

Riddle me this, what was cut out from 10:09 to 10:10 ?

[@calebolds9609]

ALSO I think everyone's answer on how helpful Dev feedback is depends heavily on what types of games people prefer. For example: I really enjoy evolving, live-service games. Thats a genre that almost requires some level of communication between Dev and player just by the nature of the game getting continuously updated

[@Ed-1749]

pokemon is a result of devs listening to gamers. The public wanted pokemon, so they gave us pokemon. the same pokemon. 10 times over.

[@sir_smilesalot7589]

Its also weird thinking one of the most highly regarded mainline games in the series, heart gold and soul silver, are just remakes of other pokemon games, which are basically remakes but with different pokemon and antagonists and professors.

[@Burntayo]

I like this pov, you hear anlot of people asking to "go back" when pokemon's been stagnant

[@JayceCH.]

Theyve always "listened." Its just at the numbers lol. And they are behind, but they ARE listening and responding to feedback.

[@guggenheim914]

lots of spicy opinions this time that song at 5 min is overpowering tho, i can barely hear the Coney Facts

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

The switch is the modern n64. Everyone developed for it, but no one has designed THE killer app that has truly changed peoples minds about gaming. The switch is eShop + BotW + Odyssey the console (You could toss Horizons in there, but you can play animal crossing on the 3DS and will play it on the next big console) We played Snowboard kids and Gemini- and they're out of the scope of Nintendo's 3 pillars. Unlike the pillars however, those games are not in development anymore. In likesame manner, games like ARMS which began life on the switch will fade in to obscurity

[@willwinstead7933]

Coney is the best content creator. He’s the most genuine content creator and that is what people really want on KZbin. Love you coney (as much as I can because I don’t actually know you. I’m not weird you’re weird. Shut up)

[@AFancyDress]

Such a shame Coney is so wrong

[@toe_sucker_4165]

Nintendo could never make a *The Last of Us*, but you're objectivity kidding yourself if you think Sony could make a *BOTW*.

[@Zx30]

As an older gamer now, 33, I agree with Connie on letting the devs make the games they want. Video games are an art form after all and I'd rather the devs take a chance on creating something special than intentionally something the same as everything else. I've had several doubts about several video games over the years because I thought the devs screwed up, but once I play the game, I love it. Wind Waker being a prime example.

[@pivotguydc1149]

All devs should always *listen* to gamers, but that doesn't mean they should obey their wishes. There's a difference.

[@clubs4778]

I always look foward to these videos

[@Marsdend1]

My only counter for the Nintendo AAA title argument depends on the future of Metroid Prime 4. IF the developers end up making the game for the next Nintendo Console (Switch Pro?) and IF the next console has much better hardware, then there's a POSSIBILITY of a AAA Metroid Prime game.

[@ecliipse_]

I have absolutely no idea why I enjoy watching this series so much

[@zake64]

Because laughing at bad opinions is inherently enjoyable

[@EllieMiller510]

Two videos In 2 days? You treat us too well Coney

[@kekoadarby9097]

wassup Coney I am still drunk 4th comment on an old video tonight I feel like part of your appeal/perspective is that you are a casual gamer (the best kind of gamer, video games are meant to be fun). Fun is first priority game being well balanced/having a moral message for the players is less important

[@hunterculpepper1973]

Earthbound 27 hours with fully completed super mario kart mother sub 35 hours 22 hours to beate but grinding to lv 99 optional your supposed to be sub lv 36 when fighting gigas the game takes 7 hours to beate

[@nicc8451]

About the second fact/opinion, it's easily debunked. Professor Layton and the Eternal Diva. Boom, there goes your argument.

[@sethlattner6679]

Also, there are a ton of non-linear movies. Pulp Fiction, almost any David Lynch film, etc

[@griseousm2563]

I think the last one is interesting because Nathan doesn't really make the distinction between feedback that could change the direction of the game and minor tweaks / fixes to elements that may ruin enjoyment of the game - obviously that's veering more into the design aspect of the game but that's why I think communication with your audience is absolutely vital when it comes to making as successful of a release as possible. What's the point of things like demos if not to increase the chances of that happening? Now, am I saying devs should take all feedback from their audience? Should devs ignore their vision and let their audience take the wheel? Absolutely not, but I think it's interesting that Nathan and Coney don't entertain this sort of perspective. Just my two cents though.

[@HarvestMe]

@19:00 I wonder what Coney's opinion on Old School RuneScapes voting system is

[@luigifan001]

Nintendo HAS the money and the talent to make AAA games. They just WON'T because it is not their strategy to invest in that.

[@arobin3266]

Thank you for telling me what to think once again content man.

[@cototo]

Can we get a lower music cut?

[@jackg6887]

I think when tier lists start to matter depends on the game and who is the S tier. Any monkey and mash HP with chun-li in 3rd strike and win cos it's that strong in that game

[@redy4archive743]

Man, whoever that Dedede is who wanted Dedede to be good is a faker. We don't give two shits if he's good or bad we just think the guy's fucking funny.

[@22yhjjjj]

Do I want a 4k Nintendo Console? Not really no. They make fun games, and if I lose fun for prettier graphics, you've lost my money. Why else would I play on a 480p 3DS when my phone is 1080p? Because those 3DS games are amazingly fun. And now I got a 720p console on my 4k TV. Shits looks good enough, but its hella fun to play on.

[@reillybrittain9591]

%100 agree with you about Nintendo and it’s capability with AAA and how it also is okay. Different design philosophies for different hardware that’s meant to do different things

[@Fediel]

Every Final Fantasy game is less than 50 hours long lol

[@Fediel]

(Besides the MMOS)

[@MrGutzs]

To recap: Devs should listen to gamers when it comes to fighting/competitive games, but stay true to their vision.

[@coolcebolla]

Based on that first movie argument, would Coney like the Dragon Ball Evolution movie? Because that movie was not even close to the manga/anime. I'd like to hear opinions on that one.

[@TranslationHell]

I don't think Coney watches anime in the first place.

[@ASTR_Icarus]

15:26 what is the song?

[@jedders3192]

A perfect example of the should devs listen to gamers ruining a game is in Hello Neighbor Was setting up to be quite a neat little game but it ended up being kinda ruined because the devs built too much into the fans theories and stuff instead of sticking to their original vision.

[@tokuyou3811]

i just dont get the idea that nintendo first party games arent the same level of quality as a AAA game. they obviously dont want to compete with the other consoles so they dont have to make their AAA games, but i think whats confusing is how were defining AAA and AAA quality. like AAA is the level of polish and money that sony and microsoft can put forward to helping develop large immersive or story driven games with a bunch of cool shit in them. your last of usses, your red deads, your spidermans and gtas. nintendo at the moment will not compete in this market. that is fact. but making something on the same level? this probably falls into comparing apples and oranges to see which is better, but id say nintendo makes games equivalent to AAA quality. for years theyve been known for their nintendo polish. their focus on gameplay for fun experiences. even if they cant compete with money, number of qualoty mechanics in their games, or polish, they make up for it in how the gameplay is thought of. they are capable of making something of the level of AAA prestige games, in shit like odyssey, botw, luigis mansion, smash whatever

[@buttersux7401]

What is the song at 9:27?

[@jigawatt7941]

music is a little bit loud

[@thomasgarden2807]

TRUE

[@luansomething380]

I got influenced. Have my like.

[@Ache112]

4:04 the old TMNT movies were great

[@mikumikupizza5899]

coney actually articulated what i was trying to say really well and i dont even have anything else to add to it

[@niftyspiffyguy]

The Castlevania Netflix series is a absolutely fantastic. And yeah the sonic movie wasn’t terrible after the revised sonic cgi

[@themediamcguffin1953]

I don't give a shit how long a game is, I'm in high school, I have spear time

[@hamzahkhan4067]

Wth I was just grinding all the FAO vids in a row before I got this notification

[@carterhoudek6285]

coney being so confidently wrong at 18:36 is quite humorous

[@hunterculpepper1973]

Mother one takes 7 hours on the famicon to beate without the run button

[@perrylets]

I think the switch has great games (except splatoon) but the hardware is so bad it isn't worth it. You can buy a ps4 slim with hdr, about the same amount of great exclusives and good online for a cheaper price than the switch. Also, botw is not that innovative, it is only for the gamers that only play Nintendo games.

[@daylanxa7983]

He said he liked the OG Mortal Kombat movie, biggest fact in the video

[@GamerLMA]

What was the track that was playing during ending/close out?

[@FriendAlias]

Stormy Sky - Yeah Jam Fury: U Me Everybody!

[@fan.of.nintendo]

Hardest read in the century, the question in the thumbnail is going to get a "fact-pinion" from CONEY and chat EDIT: Nevermind he went the content route

[@l1ghtn1n_str1ke7]

Ring fit isn’t a jrpg because it isn’t 90 hours.....yeah that’s fair

[@kidbuumer4780]

Maybe a niche scenario but upcoming Guilty Gear Strive would have been another niche anime fighting game if it weren’t for the fans and dev communication. It was going to release with shitty online but now it’s gonna release with rollback netcode because of fan feedback. Plus there have been many other minor but positive changes thanks to open communication

[@periclescomoeddie5215]

I feel like the simplification of some stuff would already make it not niche, but the rollback and listening to fans helped.

[@kayanono]

XBOX is great for Game Pass for example

[@jomart1121]

I wake up everyday waiting for coneys next video

[@intellectualfunk2106]

Mr. content you tell me not to leave at the end but then the video ends what do i do

[@crudalicious]

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