Nioh - The Strongest Dual Sword Builds in the Game

[@leafgreenbeast]

hands and feet are the two lightest slots (you said head and feet in the video, for clarification). with head being 0.1 weight heavier than them.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Ah yeah, of course. You're dead right. Hahah, one day I'll make a video without a mistake, but that day is not today haha.

[@leafgreenbeast]

no worries, it's minor at best.

[@lerne100]

Fuzzy Bearbarian could you please let me know what spirit guardian to use? i couldnt see it in the video. i went with masters and kabuto dual wield build.

[@lerne100]

i mean masters and kingos

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Kara-jishi or Tengen Kukaku.

[@qazwad2772]

4 years later and your still helping people with builds thank you sir

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Cheers mate!

[@pastormosesmaloney1604]

Just started nioh after beating Elden. I'm addicted . Elden was my first souls type . I have SO much to look forward to. Can't wait.

[@shaunroyce9371]

2 years later just wanted to say thank you for the time you took to do these tests enjoyed all the detailed information.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks! Hopefully I'll be able to do the same with Nioh 2 in a few months time :)

[@fishnutz5196]

@@fuzzybearbarian please do i would like to see your take on some meta builds

[@Berserker8861x]

Just wanted to say that i appreciate all the effort you and everyone else that goes through the painstakingly tedious testing that you do.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, and yep, it can get pretty tedious. In fact, it's more tedious now than it ever was with ethereals.

[@MylonPruett]

This was freaking amazing. The stats, nerd, data analyst in me LOVED IT (my job is data analysis so ya...). Now to go farm some more gear. Really really exceptional video.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man. Just be aware, this video was prior to patch 1.08. For a lot of people survivability is now more important than damage, in which case you might prefer to look at farming gear to make the "Sennin" build I posted a couple of days ago.

[@MylonPruett]

Ya, I've seen that video (and saved it for the future LOL). I'm just not into "Way of the Demon" yet so I can still out damage them fairly easily.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Cool. And just so you know, don't invest too much time in your gear beyond what works. Once you get to Way of the Demon it just gets tossed away in favor of the drops there.

[@justinhampel3432]

Most helpful nioh armor/damage guide could of asked for! Thank you!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Cheers!

[@Chadb9486]

used two pieces of the Tatenashi set and wondered about the damage because it seemed like I was doing less. You confirmed exactly what I was thinking in this video. Great info!

[@revfunk8823]

Getting my PhD was easier than understanding this amazing game

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Lol, I can relate to that.

[@revfunk8823]

@AE 7147 are you an Alumni too?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@corpsegrinder88]

ive got 100 hours in the game and im still learning shit lol

[@DaRoachDoggJrr]

@@corpsegrinder88 took me 90 hours to delve into tempering and soul matching

[@prinniesforeveryone321]

You dont have a college degree.

[@Tostigroover]

What an amazingly informative video. I watched it twice in as many days, and even took notes. I recently started playing and finished NG just now. I really dig learning about these mechanics so thanks for all the effort you have put in.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Glad you found it helpful, thanks for the comment!

[@timmy1tap678]

haha oh boy.. i just started playing nioh and it seems the more vids i watch the more confused and overwhelmed i get with the volumes of stats, dmg mechanics, skills, and just the sheer # of various combinations of weapons, armor and how to put together a build..im at a loss of where to begin lol.. aside from that just wanna say thank u for these detailed vids uve made and the amount of time u invested in making them..

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man. I get how confusing it can be too. My recommendation is pick the weapon you like the most and spend more of your play mastering parrying/dodging/weapon skills. In your first playthrough gear matters a lot less than it does in NG+ and beyond. You can check out my red demon build, which was the build I played through NG with entirely before I even worked out half the stuff in the game. It's a katana based build, and with that I highly recommend learning the iai quickdraw and especially backwave skills. Backwave is very easy to pull off once you get the hang of it, and very hard until you do. But once you do, it'll make killing human enemies a cinch, leaving the rest of your stats to focus on whatever you like and yokai damage. There are good tutorials on backwave on YT. But just quickly, you press block just before the enemies attack hits you, and block immediately after it to pull off the move. There's a little more to its nuance than that, but that'll get you started. Have fun!

[@bu11itt86]

Hot damn!!! The stat nerd/engineer in me loved this video. The part of me that finally +10'd my Master Sword/WoW/Kingo/Sanada build last night hates it. Oh well, back to Marobashi I go... Seriously though, great work. Loved the video.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Haha, thanks, and your comment made me chuckle :D

[@bu11itt86]

No problem. I actually only had to redo the head and chest pieces, so it wasn't too bad. Plus the farming session gave me enough amrita to get my stamina up.

[@ayres1009]

Fuzzy Bearbarian I run dual sword skill build. everything I have on my swords is skill based. I finally found a weapon with close combat damage 20%. would it be stronger for me to put that on my weapon instead of skill damage? I noticed close combat does raise my overall attack stay on my weapon so it would hit harder. I just wonder if it would make my skills hit harder too and what other moves close combat damage wouod effect?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Skill damage can roll higher than 20%, so yes, keep your skill damage weapon. It is unlikely that your build will be stacked with too much skill damage, but if your gear is all about skill damage you might do better with CCD on your weapon instead. Only way to be sure with your build is to level up your CCD sword then compare using the two to see the difference. To your other question, CCD affects all your dual sword attacks, whereas skill damage only affects skill based attacks. That's why skill damage is always higher than CCD, because it has less situations in which it can be used. Me, however, I practically only ever use skills, so yeah, skill damage usually wins with me.

[@aradityayp62]

Very very useful information. Currently iam running the sanada build but as you said, i dont think the damage will be high enough. Thank you for very useful information, gonna try to farm more!

[@Kartogath01]

Hey Fuzzy, been tuning into your vids for a while now and after this one I really gotta thank you for all your effort in making these polished and highly informative videos, so thanks man!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, really appreciate that.

[@fezticflagman6674]

This is a great guide and really fills in a lot of the questions I've had about Nioh builds. I can only imagine the time and effort you put into this, thanks so much for doing so.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, and yep, there were many hours that went into grinding and testing even before I started putting the video together.

[@Omnibus4Everyone]

This is one of the most interesting videos on builds as it goes more into building a build, and how you come to ideas, rather than just putting up use these stats and these perks etc. This way people can understand what choices make up a build. AFAIK this is the only video of its kind, where Nioh is concerned. Great work. I know the game is getting old, but I would love to see even more. Either way, thanks for all the hard work!!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks! Well I probably won't be playing Nioh in the next few months (I say probably because I don't own it on PC yet...) but before the year is out we'll be getting Nioh 2 demo, and next year Nioh 2, so definitely more Nioh is on the way in our future! :)

[@Omnibus4Everyone]

Fuzzy Bearbarian completely understandable. Great video regardless

[@fuzzybearbarian]

@@Omnibus4Everyone Thanks mate.

[@Jamesuni]

I wish all build videos were this comprehensive. Thanks for the great video.

[@louie354]

good stuff! I've watched all your videos from red demon set with katana up till this video. I have to say that my favorite one is the justice ministry. Thank you so much for your hard work and all this good info :)

[@mattg768]

I'm a bit late but just recently came back to Nioh for the dlc, loved your vid mate really helped. Got a new sub.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, hope you enjoy the DLC.

[@pooriashahebrahimi410]

Simply the best. Thank you for this brilliant video Fuzzy. Your guide is very helpful and detailed.

[@bizzy511]

Well spoken and very detailed. Thank you.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks.

[@TheEcletickGamer7]

Great, Great work! Great video indeed! Thanks for all efforts you did man! Absolutely amazing! I watched for study a couple of times to get all the info and now its time to farm. Greetings from Brazil!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man!

[@shin.5465]

After five years and you are still the best I can't wait to finish nioh to start nioh 2 with your build

[@jamesneely2371]

Thanks for this and the time and effort put into it. Seems to be a really great sum-up. PS - funny intro!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Haha thanks.

[@elite1299]

great job well done. . I appreciate your time and efforts keep it up thanks a lot

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Appreciate the comment.

[@TheCreteDog]

Thanks a lot! You've been a big help in choosing and making builds.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

That makes me pretty happy, that's why I do this stuff! Thanks mate!

[@IAmTheLizardKing616]

Another great informative video, awesome. Great work and really appreciate the time you put into these to help us understand Nioh builds that little bit more. Thank you

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man.

[@Furthermore26]

This was a great video. I had gone through the entire game without actually having a build, and just having all stats at 20, since I was using all weapons to both max them out, and figure out which I liked best. The extra boss fights after the WotS tore me a new one, but after reworking my build to something akin to this, both those fights, and the DLC became a breeze. I made it to WotW before I got bored, but I figure this would have worked all the way to WotN with very few problems. So thanks so much for taking the time to get all nerdy with the stats, and sets (I just used a full kingo set since I didn't have the stamina to mix and match without sacrificing a lot of skill points). It still works perfectly 1½ years later.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks for the comment. You played the game the right way the first time imo. Working it all out for yourself from scratch is where you get the most fun, which is also what I like to do. I hardly ever look up guides on anything. I just post what I learn to help others who either don't have the time, can't be bothered doing it all themselves, or who are having trouble and need some help. Good to know these builds still have a place over a year later too. Have a good one!

[@Furthermore26]

@@fuzzybearbarian I spent quite a bit of time trying to find this video again, but I finally did. I find myself wanting to play through the game again from fresh, and still remembered I had found an amazing build from last time. I think I'll just go through the game again trying to just even out everything to try out all the weapons again, but I wonder if this one still works. I suppose I'll find out once I get through the game the first time.

[@michaelbdog8309]

0:30 what you said there was genius, I wish more ppl thought like you do

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks!

[@Kara_Pabuc]

This video is gold... hope you make another one with the new content... subbed and waiting.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, appreciate it. Don't hold your breath on more Nioh content in the short-term at least. I just saw the DE update for Warframe's upcoming 'Plains of Eidolon". So right now I'm feverishly working to start Warframe from scratch to get ready for the launch of their new more open world style content. And I'm having a blast doing it!

[@BorisPL]

Hi Which build is The best for someone who will start the game? Easiest and strongest to easy compete the game. Asking you becouse i used your builds when i play long time ago.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

When just starting don't worry about builds too much. Go for the Red Demon set as it is easy to get. I made a video on it years ago here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYeclJeeqrOIY8k

[@mervinvelasco5896]

i watched the full video. all i can say is very brilliant

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, really appreciate that.

[@mervinvelasco5896]

Fuzzy Bearbarian mate can i ask for normal attacks the warrior of the east is the best?

[@rickcabrera49]

Normal attacks, meaning no skills? With Windstorm, WoE shows up as having the highest attack value, bc of the extra Body scaling, but I don't think it puts out the most damage. The MS+ WoW + Tate + Kara-Jishi + Todo is, but you HAVE to use the MS dual swords(or the katana). I also like to pick my swords, and for that, I think, after testing, that the Japan's Bravest is the strongest. And I get to pick my swords (the dual swords with the Magic Damage Bonus, for VERY high-statted players, are the strongest---their shown attack value is nothing compared to other swords, but they put out the most damage when you have ALL the scaling factors up---including Magic and Spirit). But if you do dmg from behind and SotC and final blow alot, a mix of Kingo's is good. So, yeah....Cheers!

[@mervinvelasco5896]

Rick Cabrera thanks a lot man. you saved me a lot of time.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Yep, what Rick said.

[@chrisanyma8249]

great videos man, i found your revenant yesterday, was so cool! cheers

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Yeah, I love that about this game!

[@2012shalashaska]

thank you so much for making some complicated questions relatively easy to understand. you are Nioh

[@fuzzybearbarian]

My pleasure man.

[@the_lugoz8313]

Cant believe I just watched an entire video... more like watching a short movie or tv show. Incredible. One question tho Fuzzy, so you are saying if I have 73 % final blow damage overall, its not really doin that much damage!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

The problem is one of math and I'm not a math guy lol. But basically the more you stack of a particular type of damage the less the multiplier delivers you benefits. So to answer your question practically though, it doesn't really matter with final blow damage since you can't really substitute another damage type for that that I'm aware of.

[@danielecasabianca]

Great video. I appreciated it a lot. Thanks.

[@ramonfernan6255]

0:03 got me so bad. But overall good video, it really helped me get out of the BORED section

[@fuzzybearbarian]

😁😁I'd forgotten I used to do stuff like this at the start of my videos lol.

[@mechacha]

Thank you so much for this (and for all your other videos).

[@fuzzybearbarian]

No problem and thanks for the comment.

[@rickcabrera49]

Hey Fuzzy. You should really get a video out soon explaining all this new crazy shit going on in the DLC. I'm not really understanding some of the dmg modifiers that were introduced. Team Ninja really fucked up us Nioh nerds by making this even more complicated than it previously was. You've explained most of what I know to me through the vids. They are the best, and you're smart enough to figure a lot of this shit out. So, I kinda need another. Cheers mate! Hope to hear that accent soon!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Yeah man, I'll do something soon, but I haven't had much of a chance to go over it yet. Took 2 days to download the patch, then I had to head to Melbourne to go see Hans Zimmer live, which has just finished. So once I get home I'll be playing to see what I can learn/make/post about :)

[@rickcabrera49]

Super cool. I think they should make movies based on his pieces rather than the other way around. And he's got a MasterClass I was thinking about buying (got the Herzog and Sorkin already). As for the DLC, it's gotta whole bunch of new shit for people to figure out, on their own. It seems like an intentional strategy by Team Ninja to keep the nerds playing. But I think you can figure much of it out. You seem to HAVE to make videos, and you do it better than anybody. You're like the Fassbinder of Nioh KZbin videos and this one, if done somewhat comprehensively, would be your Berlin Alexanderplatz. There's a lot to go over that's new. Maybe I'm just whining about having to "test" more builds. But there is little online and I'm playing kinda blindly without my stats to the max anymore(which means I have to dump a shit ton of points into Stamina to keep my beloved Japan's Bravest set; but there are "weight decrease" effects on armor now that might help that). Well, no pressure. Ha! Cheers mate!

[@jagger247]

Thanks man,you helped a lot,I've almost passed this game,yet to get to divine armour,etc :D

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man, and if you're yet to get divine, there's a lot more to come!

[@rickcabrera49]

Hey Fuzzy. Great Vid, again! This is the most comprehensive dual sword build guide in existence. I wondered if you were gonna make it. Of course, Fuzzy will make it! Props to triune31 too. I still dig the Japan's Bravest, bc I can pick my weapon (I know it's a little "who cares," but that's just my thang, especially after finding out that the Magic Dmg A+ on Sh&Kh, despite all appearance, seems to be the strongest at very high levels), and pretty much stick to windstorm from the front. I believed that I understood most of what was written in triune31's post, but now I have to swap out my Skill Dmg 21.8% for CCD. At least it's inheritable. But yeah, killer vid! Keep it up. Cheers!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks man. I get you with having your weapon of choice too. I like the Kingo's version, but I do like going back to Shishi-o too as I just feel like I kick more ass with that sword. Can a set of dual swords be sentimental this early in the game? If so, those are to me :P

[@rickcabrera49]

So I tested Japan's Bravest set with the 20% CCD on weapon vs. skill dmg 21.8% on weapon. I did this with the Shiranui with the Blade Spin. Here are my results: 1) 20% CCD (on weapon) Status: 32.3 % CCD 21.6% Skill Todo (heavy armor) clan Kara-Jishi DMG: 9628+ fire (something) 2) 21.8% Skill Dmg (on weapon) Status: 12.3% CCD 43.4% Skill same clan and animal DMG: 9657 + fire So, from these Kusa results, it looks like that the Skill Dmg weapon dmg is higher(by a small amount, maybe accounting for that 1.7% higher skill dmg than CCD). I know they are dual swords, but I don't have the same set (or any set) with 20% CCD. I'll test with other armor sets soon. Just data....Cheers!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

It's a bummer we can't do 1 for 1 tests. I literally reforged my weapon for 6 hours straight attempting to hit the 20% skill damage jackpot so I could do a perfect test, never got it. Now I check every weapon I have waiting for the day when I can get two of the same weapon with the same damage from different damage trees. Unfortunately though, I run two missions nowadays and my inventory is full. I've already had to delete half the stuff I've leveled up to +10. I'm not sure I'll do too much testing from here on given 99% of what we need to know we kind of already do. I'm kind of missing just playing the game at this stage. Right now I'm leveling up some Ninja gear just to play as a Ninja for a while, without care for damage. You know, for that mythical thing I've heard people call "fun" hahaha.

[@rickcabrera49]

How do purple weapons work with familiarity? I think I have a kusa inheritable with exactly 15% skill damage. And I feel you on the gear overload. I'm always at 500, it seems. And it's all killer stuff. I've had to give up some sentimental weapons to get others just for testing. As for the Ninja build (If I know which one you are talking about), I tried it out yesterday, had unlimited ninjitsu on every armor piece, etc. It's really fun and a trip demolishing bosses with kunais and shurikens that seem to never entirely disappear, and replenish when you activate LW. Have fun, man. Cheers!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Haha yep, that's the one. I've been itching to just play with it for ages now, but with all the testing I do I never seem to get to just play. I think I'm going to have to force myself to stop thinking and just start playing for a while!

[@VoxFelis]

2 years late but I thank you for this!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Better late than never, and not long until Nioh 2 so great timing just the same!

[@VoxFelis]

I just completed WOTS and I'm addicted to the NG+ stuff now. Did it in Warrior of the West gear and Kato only. This vid was great. Want to rush home and rebuild my William haha

[@fuzzybearbarian]

@@VoxFelis It's addictive like that :) However, my advice would be to get to Way of the Nioh before investing too much time in builds. From Way of the Wise you start getting ethereal gear, and that's when real builds start. But Way of the Nioh is when you get to The Abyss, and at that point you can farm ethereal gear properly. It takes a lot of effort and grind to do so, and The Abyss takes a lot of play to get through. That's why I recommend not investing too much time now as it can burn you out before you really get to the point of having to grind for gear and gear level. You're best off getting a build you're comfortable to take through, and then hook into ethreal gear-based builds in WoTN. Good luck!

[@pastormosesmaloney1604]

Just started nioh. Thank you sir.

[@vainklutz3179]

Yakasakani Magatama

[@Ookami_Moon]

I needed this, thanks

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Hope it helps.

[@loganranschau8663]

Love your videos! Keep them coming.

[@jason83ok]

very in depth and detailed video,2 thumbs up for you! Would you consider doing a video like this for the kusarigama?

[@jason83ok]

Guess your answer to my question is no..... sad

[@jason83ok]

oh sorry if i forgot to say thank you for your hard work,thank you!

[@LarsAlexanderson-b9u]

Thank you very much for the help But One question ❓ How do you put One piece of armor and you count like 2 pieces how u did that ?

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

This was extremely informative. I tip my hat to you good sir!

[@mmbenitez2220]

very well said sir..congratulations!

[@yikkizh_2694]

+Fuzzy Bearbarian Great video! And can I please ask which one do you normally use, Water Sword or Windstorm?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks. Back when I made this windstorm was my main. However, with my Chakku Norisu build I ended up using Windstorm very little and started using Sign of the Cross as my main.

[@kirayoshikage4216]

curious, have you tried the warrior of the west set? school is soon and couldn't watch all of it WoTW 5 piece Master Swordsman 3 piece you might have an extra piece left over so maybe sanada for the leftover

[@DeadlyAngel23]

Good job, man really helpful

[@tanzersol3812]

Is there any build you would recommend to someone who is level 200? Your examples are of someone who is vastly leveled. Assuming that skill is 99 and heart is 50-60 and Kingo is being used. Is there any other build choice you would recommend after this guide?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Level is largely irrelevant. What matters is the armor, weapon and gear set combination. Like, in this video I'm level 700 because that's what the game leveled you up to easily when it was first released. But after they nerfed level, I continued and completed every different NG including the Abyss before reaching level 400. I don't know your playstyle or where you're at in the game - at 200 I was starting Way of the Nioh. But I recommend just crafting Hayabusa's Dragon Ninja set (don't farm it, craft it, otherwise it'll cost you too many needless stat allocations to equip), putting 99 into Heart (scales your ki and your sword), and the rest of your stats into whatever else you need for the skills/magic/ninjutsu/guardian spirit you want (Kato!). Use Flowing Shadow as your main skill, and spec your gear out to take advantage of the set and to minimize damage from firearms and elemental damage. His set alone saves you thinking too much about a build as once you get used to the playstyle with that set, and once you've crafted decent rolls for the stats you want on your gear, that set will carry you right through the whole game into the first 40 levels of the Abyss. At that point, I recommend farming all ethereal gear (Tatenashi-Oyamatsumi mixed set with Flowing Shadow as your primary skill). But you can do that when the time comes.

[@waljaber]

great video, thanx for the effort.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks.

[@MrSpookShire]

So, since all these builds use the yasakani magatama, do you have a recommended set for those that don't have one? Like full Kingo vs full Master Swordsman?

[@dumbsteeze9629]

Great video. Thumbs up!!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Cheers!

[@Sljm8D]

The 29% number applies only when deciding whether to choose 20% CCD or FAM A+ on your weapon. I don't think it's even possible to get that much armor CCD right now anyway. .29 is merely the solution to the algebra question of "how much armor CCD would I need for FAM A+ to give me equal to +20% CCD?" For comparing other factors, the number is different, since their values on a weapon or armor bonus vary. You want to solve for x (1+x) * (1+ y) >= (1+x+z) To discover whether adding a new multiplicative value will give you more than adding to the same multiplier you already have. In the case of y = 15.5% and z = 20%, x is 29.03% In the case of Skill Damage, it can go to at least 22.x%, so that x would be lower, with the caveat being that Skill Damage only applies to Skills, which isn't a big deal if you mostly use Skills. I don't think Skill Damage applies to Final Blows though. You've got the general idea though. You want to have as many multipliers as possible since adding more onto a multiplier you already have a large amount of will reduce the effective increase compared to introducing a completely new multiplier. It's not diminishing returns as you might think of in Souls, where they are hard-coded, rather it's just how the math works. The exact point of "diminishing returns" depends on the value of the other options, say 15.5% FAM A+ vs 22.9% Skill Damage for your weapon, or the full Armor of the Exceptional vs mixing two CCD sets. The only values I'm not entirely sure of is Mid/High/Low/Quick/Strong Attack Damage and Skill Damage that lists a specific skill. That is, whether they are separate multipliers as well or if they add to CCD/Skill Damage respectively. I'm not sure I can test these myself, I've seen conflicting reports and I can't be sure they accounted for all variables (not all variables were known, Equip Weight is a new revelation).

[@fuzzybearbarian]

If you mix Master Swordsman/Yatagarasu/Warrior of the West you go over 30% CCD. In that case, wouldn't rolling skill damage on a weapon be better than trying to roll Fam A+ on a weapon? I ask because I'm not even sure why whether to roll Fam on a weapon would be a question if you're trying to max damage? And yeah, skill damage definitely does not apply to Final Blows. Thanks for the clarification about the 29% number though. I kind of got it was a very select circumstance but went with it as trying to talk too much math to keep people centered on avoiding too much of any one type of damage seemed a bit too much lol.

[@Sljm8D]

The weakness of the Yatagarasu mix is that it goes below 30.1 weight so you lose some of the hidden innate Equip Weight Damage Bonus. Skill Damage should give you more, unless the SotC bonus from Master Swordsman counts toward the same multiplier rather than being a multiplier on its own (again, still have to test Stance/Strong/Weak Attack and specific Skill bonuses). Then again, you'll lose out on Final Blow (which Familiarity Damage Bonus does increase). I don't think there's a setup that currently exists aside from 3/3/3 with Yata where Familiarity is a good idea. That set is sub-optimal to begin with due to the weight, until/unless there's a way to get it to A Agility (which is the intended tradeoff with Equip Weight Bonus).

[@fuzzybearbarian]

I admit I've never tested final blow damage on its own without having already done damage beforehand and until now hadn't even considered it was a factor in the multiplication of other damage types. In this video the Sanada/Swordsman combo gets roughly the same Final Blow Damage on the first Marobashi enemy as the Sanada/Armor of the Exceptional combo, and even though the latter has more skill damage, you'd think that shouldn't be the case given the Sanada/Swordsman combo has almost double the final blow damage stat. So yeah, I think there needs to be some isolation testing on this.

[@bogdanlinc]

Hey Fuzzy, great video and breakdown friend, do you perhaps have a list of skills or maybe a link showing them? Thank you.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks and yes, a complete list of everything in this build is here: fuzzybearbarian.com/post/160465257061/sennin-nioh-dual-sword-way-of-the-demon

[@hailingheling2633]

I have been watching your dual sword videos concerning close combat builds, but with the levels being dropped 300 from 700 to 400, so I'm unsure where to put the levels for best efficiency. I really would appreciate your input. and any advice on paying the tab for soul matching would be great. I have 300 blacksmith patron points above the max usable already lol. thanx and thanx for the vids.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

I personally prefer the Sennin build now that levels have dropped as it is a perfect balance of defense and offense and works well from 250 and up. As far as soul matching costs go, I'm not one for advice because my view is the game is broken on that front. That's why I don't play it anymore - the resource cost grind and the need to save scum over hours and hours and hours just to get a single decent roll on a single stat is just, well, broken. It takes away from just playing the game to level up/improve, and for that reason I'm not personally prepared to do it. But yeah, the only advice I can give is to save scum.

[@Teamgoodlift]

Hey Fuzzy, quick question...how are you getting all your armor pieces to have that +35 attack bonus? I noticed it's inheritable, but I can't seem to find any armor with that perk.

[@mackprime6975]

You can usually find that on the Kingo glove piece. At first it will say Attack +20 but with max familiarity, it will rise to Attack +35. Remember unlike on weapons, you can only get familiarity on Armor pieces in NG+ where you will find green "Divine" drops instead of purple "exotic" ones

[@Teamgoodlift]

Ahh gotcha, thanks man :) I was able to reforge the attack perk onto one of my armor pieces but its been pretty rare to do it that way

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Look for gloves dropped from Revenants (or that you forge) with inheritable of +20 attack. You can inherit that to your other armor pieces. When you max familiarity, it will go to +35. If you're really really lucky, some +20 inheritable attacks actually go to +36 when you inherit them and max familiarity (you can tell during the soul match if they will do that because on the item inheriting the attack value it will say +21 instead of +20). But, the +21's are pretty rare in my experience.

[@SixtPathSage]

absolutely brilliant, thanks a lot mate. just the video ive been looking for. If only you could tell us where to get the yakasani magatama elite accessory

[@mistahbooyaka914]

AWESOME! when i saw ur close combat 4 build b4 I already fell in love with the build cuz im new to the game and i love dual swords but now u just taught me some great tips bout dual sword builds..thx man...btw is it ok for u to drop tht kingo and master swordsman set + the sword? if so just tell me where u dropped it and ill go pick it up..thx again

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Yeah man. Head to The Disappearing Ranjatai. Just dropped it there.

[@mistahbooyaka914]

Fuzzy Bearbarian thx man..

[@TheVictorSantiago]

How do you refresh your weapon buffs so fast? By the way, great video!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks. Regarding buff refresh, I think that was just normal. Unless they nerfed refresh timers since this video, which is almost 2 years old (sweet jesus, where did the time go?), I don't really know lol.

[@sifuseangrame1176]

Hey matey, really enjoyed this vid, and your others, I know its now a few months old, im mid WOTD and have Kingo + master sword set up, currently suck at SOTC as was relying on windstorm thats not really working anymore, so now relerning, however will get there, also for the life of me cant get the 7th slot on Master Sword.Question: I have change to atack skill on my sword, should it be heart ? Using Jishi and bat for familiars.I had 99 skill then respect for heart and now getting completely mashed lol.Love your latest WOTW build however im simply not there yet, only lvl 260 odd.I had parked Nioh waiting for the new dlc, however this game just keeps calling me back ha ha, the stats management in this game is bonkers and almost a game within itself.Cheers Monk

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Hey man. Doesn't matter where Change to Attack is so long as the stat you have it for has the most points in it. ie. Heart of 99 and Skill of 60, you'd want Change to Attack Heart. If it was Skill 99, Heart 60, you'd want Change to Attack Skill. And yeah, the game is really addictive (at least, it is until the grind in Way of the Wise burns you out).

[@sifuseangrame1176]

Ha ha yeah I heard Wise is, maybe not so, I think Im just hanging in until a 7th perk SOTC sword drops from the heavens then im done. Dam that illusive slot lol

[@sifuseangrame1176]

Thanks for advice 👌

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Oh man, getting 7 slots is sooo much easier than it is in WotW. I played for hundreds of hours upon hundreds, grinded for weeks and never ever got an ethereal sword to drop like that, not once. Gave up in the end.

[@sifuseangrame1176]

Yikes !!!! Wow thats a whole lotta grindage champ!!! doesnt give me much confidence ha ha. My 6 slotter SOTC was a completely random drop during a side mission !!! Currently mid WOTD, only lvl 252 and seriously doubting my resolve to keep going until Morobashi unlocks again. Spending most of my time shoving my swords up Giant Toady's clacker to lvl up, finding it bizzarely relaxing although not really the answer or the way forwards.... sheesh, road block !!!

[@ahyangyang]

Great upload....thks for your time and effort .

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Cheers.

[@junjunjoe8642]

Can't wait to see your new dlc build bro.i whn from 580 lvl to 355.Idk y but all good

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Really? I went from 750 to 320!

[@OpTicJoker1337]

I run a Kusarigama with blade spin and Karajisi. Do you think the Japanese Bravest with Sanada helmet is also the best way to go for that build?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

No idea any more. I've been working for days just to find a dual sword build that works for every level in Way of the Demon, and I can't find one so far (I've got one that works on everything except Maria, who absolutely obliterates me no matter what build I take in.) I haven't even gotten to Kusa builds in the new Nioh setup - and won't. The grind is way too much now, and I don't plan on spending every waking second of the rest of my life grinding for resources to try and test different builds. So, sorry mate, but with the update and all the changes it brought, I really can't help with Kusa builds anymore. But maybe someone can, like this guy on Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/69jptc/way_of_the_demon_4_bosses_in_1_minute_is_there_a/

[@messaoudboudraa6387]

Thanks i am going for the armor of the exceptional or kingo to finish wotn i guess being more tanky doesn't really matter in wotn. I have a question this video was done before the abyss and it's graces were released and i guess you completed the abyss so what are the best graces for dual swords i am fed up with kusa/lw i one shot everyone but i wanna go back to dual swords for completing wotn (i beat only the queen's eyes in wotn to unlock the abyss remaining floors) so again if you have a build for dual swords with grace's not regular sets please share it with us.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

It's been years, I can't remember lol. I never posted anything on builds as I got burnt out around that time on Nioh's grind and just couldn't do it anymore. Kind of regret it now but hey, when you're burnt out you just gotta move on. I never went back or posted anything after that on Nioh. Just waited for Nioh 2! Sorry I'm of now help.

[@messaoudboudraa6387]

@@fuzzybearbarian thanks for the answer i bought nioh2 played a couple of missions but honestly i am in love with original one i do agree with you it's really easy to get burn out specially for a build builder. I ll watch your nioh2 vids when i ll start playing it. Have a good day/night i am from Algeria (north africa and it's 12am).

[@Sunsett88]

there u go. my first like since the age of apes. :) One question for as noobs here if u have the time .. Im SL 100 and no Yasakani yet, what should i use with kingo till i get to end game items ? Thx and keep up the good work .

[@Megadeth916]

Haha thought you were saying jewel swords and started wondering if there was a layer of knowledge I was missing entirely

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Hahah. I wasn't, but from now on their Jewel Swords 🤣

[@kimjiro4591]

havent finish watching yet, just wanna share my mix: 3 pieces master swordsman, 1 tatenashi (body), 3 warrior of the west pieces. It wont give you 1 hit capability, but it is tanky enough to headbutt a lot of bosses and you dont need that many levels.

[@OtakuDevil]

So.......Sorry but I'm kinda Stupid. Based on what you're saying in the video....Should I only use water element over elements that are more effective against ___ enemies?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Nah, you're not stupid, that's a great question. The answer is no. Builds are typically general - as in, for most scenarios. I like the water element when I'm trying to increase my physical damage output (water element increases physical damage by a lot, 20% from memory). I use Earth element when my build is ki focused as proccing it will double the amount of ki damage an enemy takes. However, using water element against a water boss is basically useless, as an example. Those water blob creatures for example will take a ton of hits to kill if you're using water, but next to none if you use fire on them. So wherever possible use the element that suits the situation if you know what it is (some enemies it's not so clear which element does what), but as a general rule use the element that suits your build everywhere else.

[@OtakuDevil]

@@fuzzybearbarian oh okay thank you so much! Hopefully this all helps, Because I just unlocked way of the demon, and honestly getting my ass handed to me on a platter. 😂

[@P-Squiddy]

why do you use change to attack heart when dual swords scale (in most cases) Skill > Strength > Heart? is it just for the Ki boost? i find when using dual swords i dont ever run out of Ki unless im trying to Moon Shadow human enemies...also High Ki Reduction would work just as well (i would think) for Windstorm & Water Sword (Shrike, obviously, is situational but i find my Ki is always max after doing the Final Blow attack -- the same with Sign of the Cross). Ive watched most of your Nioh Dual Swords builds because i was having a lot of trouble finishing NG (im currently shredding through WotD because of them) but i always see Change to Attack (Heart) as your inherited skill. maybe i missed it in one of the other videos, though. Thanks for the content; its crazy useful.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Using Change to Attack (Skill) if skill is at max, would be just as effective as Change to Attack (Heart) if heart is also at max, so it doesn't matter. You can use Change to Attack (Whatever) so long as the 'Whatever' is an attribute you are maxing out. The net result will always be the same. That said, the dual swords I've been using scale Skill > Heart > Strength. That's why Heart was a high priority to increase after Skill. But if you used dual swords that scaled Skill > Strength > Heart, then you certainly wouldn't bother increasing Heart and thus also wouldn't use Change to Attack (Heart) either. These days if someone asked me if increasing Heart was really necessary for ki management, I'd probably say no. I'd probably tell them just roll Everlasting Ki on two items and fast ki recovery (zero ki) and you'll never have to worry about ki at all no matter how much of it you do or don't have lol.

[@gaovang9147]

how do you make your swords more powerful?? do you just keep using it to kill all the yokais? or is it cuz you have to level up your charcter to make your weapon more powerful? lmk thanks

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Level is the least important thing, though it still helps. The most important thing is your build. Your stats (weapon stats), your gear (the gear set perks and the special effects you've rolled onto it), the allocation of your Prestige Points, the clan you choose, and your guardian spirit. Then, combine those with the buffs you use on your shortcuts and you're most of the way there. The rest is all about the +value on your gear. Soul matching your gear to as high a + value as you can get means ALOT, and definitely means way more than your actual character level.

[@TheArcheRazor]

great video, and i thouroughly enjoyed all of it lol

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks. I pretty much feel like I'm boring as hell in my videos, so that's good to hear haha.

[@vgamepuppy1]

Loved following this series and testing along with you. Funny how the game has been hinting at this 28-30% thresh hold the whole time. Look at how damage from behind works, 20% kingos and 8% passive. Yokai CCD, easiest roll is on accessories, both can roll up to 14.9% I believe. CCD on two sets highest amount is about 25%, they nerfed carnage to 30%, highest skill damage roll on weapon is about 22%, clan bonus 7%. This is all over the place, and the game is constantly giving you all these different ways to stack to that 30% in like 8 different places at once, just took us all a couple months to notice that o ya no shit diminishing returns on multiplicative stats ..... awesome work though, and goes to show even further that it's not your level that matters in this game. Edit: another thing, armor of the exceptional, less equipment damage bonus, get rid of the helmet....

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Yeah man. And there's still stuff we don't know.

[@vgamepuppy1]

Fuzzy Bearbarian I made an edit to my original post, completely forgotten stat.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

I tried that when I was testing it. Less equipment damage bonus gives less overall damage than what you get with +35 on the helmet, so you lose damage if you remove it and try to get more damage from a damage bonus of a+ for less armor.

[@johnthemann6483]

thanks for the research and testing! you should be a scientist !

[@ManojPatelMRP]

Nice guide video 👍

[@Phanhsackdy]

I know I'm late with this question but I was wondering if I should change up having "attack" on every armor?

[@ayres1009]

Fuzzy, I run dual sword skill build with all skill effects on the swords. I going a weapon with ccd 20% inheritable. I noticed that ccd raises my overall attack on my swords. would it make all my attacks stronger compared to running skill and what else foes ccd effect/improve?

[@ArtOfDyingWell]

Happy Easter Monday

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Hahah, thanks. And you just squeazed it in before my easter Monday ends too :)

[@AikenFrost]

Great video!

[@redpanda7071]

Is this build better than the stryker build of pwargaming?

[@valeriisobolenko3388]

This video is a bible of Damage

[@ameriichinose9801]

I jumped back to lvl 320 with the newest DLC and I want to know the build changes. I wear the last set what you think is the best Kingo & Master. I put skill & heart to 99, magic & dex 30, spirit 25, i think 30 stamina, to get under 70% and the rest equally spent toward body & strength. Sounds that about right? Please reply as soon as possible

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Were you level 750? I was level 750 and also went to 320, but some other people told me they were lower than 750 and went to 355, so I don't know what that's about. Unfortunately I had to wait a couple of days to download the update, and then I had to go away for a couple of days (to see Hans Zimmer in concert live!). But I'll be back on to it tomorrow, so stay tuned.

[@ameriichinose9801]

Yes I just leveled up to 750, 2 days before the DLC dropped. I would've hoped you could give me advice to make this build work, even with the setup I told you and even 175 +12 equipment, I get wrecked easily in Way of the Demon in the second region and third. Completed the first though.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

I avoid giving advice to people on theory. The Dragon of the North DLC increased the grind to an all new level. The last thing I want to do to anyone is say "try this" only to find out because I'd never done it myself it doesn't work, costing them valuable resources and many hours of play for nothing but bad advice. So yeah, I won't put anyone through that. I just need time to play with the new content and work out what is the best way to go with it all.

[@ameriichinose9801]

So you're going to update this build once you figured it out? I would look forward to it.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

There are like 6 builds in this video. I definitely will not be updating all of these builds because of the DLC. The DLC has changed a lot of things, one of which is the grind to get amrita and gold. There is no way I am going through the new grind to update all the builds I've ever posted. I'd be here for months of my life. That's not going to happen. Instead, I'll be updating my channel with a new build that takes into account all of what has happened with the best possible build of all of them to play the game as it is now. I'm playing through right now testing and refining this build. So far I've gotten to the last region of Way of the Demon and haven't died or even come close to it. So yeah, I have a new build coming, and it'll be worth using.

[@davidh6652]

Hi do you leave your revenant anywhere. I've been farming the heart skill and can't find it anywhere! Thanks

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Sorry man, I haven't been playing Nioh for a while now.

[@HurleyEffect]

Still up to those sneaky opening trick shots, I see. At this point, I'm here for those and watching things die really, really fast. 😁

[@fuzzybearbarian]

And I thought you were here for my good looks...

[@HurleyEffect]

Oh that too. I'm a sucker for Australian Nioh players.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

That's why I pretend to be Australian, just for you :P

[@HurleyEffect]

Aww, that's sweet! No one's ever pretended to be Australian for me. That's elaborate, too, using the accent the whole time, just to keep up the illusion. That's dedication!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

I'll say. I even went to the trouble of being born here too, just to make it as convincing as possible.

[@dtw1622]

Lvl 701...how long did that take? Im still lvl 160 going through the last DLC. I can’t bring myself to grind through way of the strong for levels...its too damn repetitive.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Level is not nearly as relevant as gear. The + value on your gear matters WAY more than level. A level 701 with 300 gear will do less damage than a level 1 with 300+100 gear. So fortunately you don't have to worry about grinding levels. Besides, in late game, max level is 750 while enemies are above 1100, and there's no way to bridge that gap. Thus, the trick is to learn to play underleveled all the time. I beat Way of the Nioh when I was in the mid 300's, and only hit 410 at Abyss level 130, so I was more than 600-800 levels lower than the enemy. Also, don't grind levels at Way of the Strong, it's a waste of time. In Way of the Nioh amrita comes thick and fast, so you level up really fast there. Concentrate on your gear first and foremost. Of course, that means you need a lot of gold. Restless Spirits is the best for farming gold, plus be sure to max out all the perks you need for gold gathering. Any other tips just ask. Have fun.

[@dtw1622]

Awesome, thanks for the response and info!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

No problem at all.

[@Vincent-hi4wl]

I don't get one thing. Could you explain to me please how to get 2 pieces armour set if you just put one?? Because when I put one piece I didn't get the 2 pieces bonus...

[@fuzzybearbarian]

You need the Yasakani Magatama accessory. It grants -1 requirements on armor set perks.

[@sachinmenon5969]

Just started the game . Kinda having hard time deciding which guardian spirit to pick from the 3 . Which is better Kato, isanade or the wind elemental bird ?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Depends on your build but Kato is generally the best. My advice is not to get too hung up on builds until you get much further into the game (Way of the Nioh region tbh). Try to get to Way of the Nioh as fast as you can with as minimal effort into creating a build to help you do it. There's a lot more after Way of the Nioh to do and you'll only burn yourself out by then if you don't aim to get there quickly. Was a bit different before all the DLC came out, but now builds really start at Way of the Nioh.

[@Morokano137]

God bless you

[@matthodgkins5445]

Just curious - why CTA Heart on your dual katana? Why not Skills? Surely you wanna lean hard into Skill for extra damage?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Well, originally it was skill, but I was doing testing to see what the difference between using different CTA's was. The last CTA I rolled for the test was Heart, so it got left there. And it got left there because there is zero difference in which CTA you have on providing your core stats are the same. I have 99 in heart, and 99 in skill, so CTA (skill) or CTA (heart) is the exact same damage bonus.

[@matthodgkins5445]

So, I have 99 skill, so I should roll Skill regardless, yeah?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

If you don't have 99 on any other core stat, then yeah, that would be the way to go.

[@matthodgkins5445]

Dude, just realized the new patch is gonna jeff with all kinds of stats for you. Hopefully the new gear and summons will make for some interesting dual sword builds.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Yeah, looks like a lot of changes are in bound...

[@dnavarro0212]

I would like to know, how you get 1 more piece in set? for instance you have only one equipped but you are getting 2 items on the set bonus page

[@vainklutz3179]

Yakasakani Magatama

[@averagekobenienjoyer7639]

What’s the reason that Windstorm is the best dual sword atk? I don’t know how to use it properly so I don’t see it’s potential. I’ve always jus been spamming sotc and water sword

[@Nekufan1000000]

So, from what I understand from reading about it, as someone else who doesn't really see the appeal, it's fast, it has a larger hitbox than it looks, it hits enemies when they dodge away from it most of the time, and it can lead into SotC. Later in the game with higher difficulties, Water Sword can get you killed against most enemies as their attacks get faster. Windstorm pushes you/them away from them and keeps you safe while getting out a multi hit attack. If you're building towards Sign of the Cross, you're stacking skill damage anyway and Windstorm is a skill so it gets that damage buff too. However, water sword has a lot of useful situations too, particularly against larger yokai as seen in the video where he nukes them before they finish their entrance animations. It's also pretty easy to use against the one-eyed guys just by getting around them. Basically, Water Sword has the DPS, it does more damage and it does it fast, but Windstorm has the speed, the reach, and keeps you mobile to dodge if you miss.

[@KAJYT6969]

What are the missions you're testing on in this video? Thanks!

[@fuzzybearbarian]

All were the end-game missions before release of the DLC.

[@KAJYT6969]

I don't think you tried it in the video, but what about a 3x3 piece of Warrior of the west bow/sword/and 1 piece of armor master swordsman dual katranas, and 2 pieces (feet and hands) and Saika's Yatagarasu Rifle and 2 gear pieces

[@fuzzybearbarian]

What set are the 2 gear pieces at the end from? From the Yata set for the extra close combat damage? I couldn't see that being better than any of the setups in the video to be honest. Probably best if you tell me what perks you're aiming at there (as sometimes the best setups are not those that suit statistics, but those that suit play styles).

[@KAJYT6969]

Well i was thinking more for a lighter set, and a less leveled character not worrying about stamina :P

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Ah, okay. You should check out Kagerasimaru's channel. He's got some light weight builds that might work for you. Me, I haven't played with light armor since before patch 1.09.

[@michaelmoniz4259]

you don't know this but we hang out every day when I farm your revenant for skill A swords in the dual swords mission :)

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Hahaha :D

[@Koishi87]

great video!

[@DevillJin]

i loved this build of armor of exceptional got me to way of the wise end with it... lov level armor :D thx to the damge :D but... is it better to get ethernal from now on... like diferent stats set?

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Definitely better. Needed even. You want to get a Grace set for sure.

[@erictheredguy]

I use the puppy pair it inflicts lightning right away. Combine w sloth and enemy’s move 25% normal speed. Then warrior of west bonus and BAM tons of juicy damage

[@bubblenugget7484]

I'm really confused. It says it needs 4 peices of the master swordsman set to get the perk but you only have 3 but you still get the perk? Do I just not know how to count or is there a game mechanic I'm missing?

[@bubblenugget7484]

Never mind I'm stupid

[@lordkagetorauesugi]

Not sure if you've seen the relevant thread in r/Nioh but apparently damage also scales with toughness. So for any weird damage differences you might want to check that, along with the post. I didn't include a link because I know that usually flags the comment, but it should be easy to find.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

That thread got deleted, and I suspect it's because toughness does not scale damage, and that the fact that it seems to may be because toughness and equipment weight gains seem to go more or less hand in hand. I mentioned in the video equipment weight seems to have an inherent damage gain that goes along with it, and I'm guessing the toughness correlation has been mistakenly assumed when it was actually weight causing the gains. I can't say for sure though as I honestly haven't tried to separate the two in any meaningful way and I always have toughness on my gear when I'm doing testing. What I can say though is that it's not really something to have to consider with heavy armor builds as by default you're getting the toughness above the threshold that that original Reddit thread identified as the cap for gains (278 toughness). If I get time I might investigate what happens at a lower weight with light armor and toughness on and off gear. We'll see. But after making this video I'm kind of in need of a break from doing that stuff haha!

[@lordkagetorauesugi]

Fuzzy Bearbarian though it's anecdotal at best, what I can say is I have toughness rolled on all my gear and as my familiarity was hitting each of the thresholds for stat increases after soul matching, my damage would go up. then after soul matching again, it dropped and went up again with familiarity. (the rolls going from +2 to +7) My damage would then climb with familiarity on my gear and end up hitting the same attack value without me using any kind of familiarity damage bonus. The phenomena didn't start happening until i put toughness rolls onto all of my armor pieces. but perhaps there's something else going on there that I'm not noticing, though I'm pretty sure I've isolated it enough. (My weapon stayed max familiarity, so there was no interference there). I was using the build that uses kingo's, by the way, that i saw in the thread you referenced above.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Attack would have dropped also though, so that would be difficult to determine which % of your damage drop related directly to the attack on your gear having also dropped. But I'll be keeping this in mind. I have some gear to level up for something else I plan on doing, and I might just keep attack off that gear but keep toughness on to begin with to see :) EDIT: Re-read your comment about attack/toughness. This should be easy to test. Remove toughness from all your gear. Damage should go down. Add it. Damage should go up. I'll look into this ... at some point. I need a couple of days off though hahah!

[@lordkagetorauesugi]

I look forward to seeing what you find, then. Thanks for the work you put into everything! it's a great help.

[@fuzzybearbarian]

Thanks for the appreciation. Keeps me going :)