Niten Ichi Ryu demonstration

Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu demonstration (embu) in France. This was the first time a HNIR jujutsu technique was demonstrated outside Japan.

[@NonApplicable1983]

Musashi is and always will be my favourite japanese warrior. I hope someday i will master his technique

[@Gj23jk2]

Certainly the best swordsman, at least. A good clue is how he rarely even bothered with a shinken and beat most of his opponents to death with a bokken. Which is kind of hilarious when you think about it. Can you imagine how mad it must have made his opponents for him to say "Nah, I'll just use the training stick. You keep your katana. Makes it fair."

[@andrewmayo9400]

The boken's different weight would make the movements harder to predict. It's also probably largely an exageration. There are stories of him throwing his off hand weapon at opponents to either kill them or force a guard to an akward position that would let him strike a killing blow.

[@Stethacanthus]

I actually practice this with an instructor, so this is astounding to me. I wish I was that good at it.

[@rangodeldiablo]

I wish I lived in japan so that I can learn from Niten Ichi Ryu.

[@MCShvabo]

YOu don't have to live in Japan.Niten Ichi Ryu has official branches in quite a few European countries as well as Canada.

[@PT5-Shorts]

@@MCShvabo There is also 1 dojo in the US, although I do not no where in the US.

[@MCShvabo]

@@PT5-Shorts I'm a student of this school, and under our branch (the one from this video) there are no dojo in the US.

[@nii87]

Cool, I watched this video again today and just noticed the slight reactive shifts at 1:25 onwards.

[@Crim15]

2:02, Breaking the timing, a pretty fun tactic..

[@FUTAKE28]

Merci a eux de nous avoir montrer cet art, ce fut un honneur.

[@rottunpunk]

ah i cant wait to see more clips of this event. especially the embu. hope you upload some soon :p

[@Cadavu]

It is an honor to see the style of the Great Miyamoto Musashi.

[@nii87]

Thought so. The HNIR teacher I studied from specifically mentioned there were no jujutsu in the ryu.

[@sharky168]

I was waiting for the dragon twister.

[@Peekingduck]

Very interesting. Music very tastefully picked. Thanks

[@Jabbawokeez4]

Very cool. I want to learn this someday.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

@JCLeSinge @JCLeSinge Yes, that's to what I was referring. While I do practice HNIR, I also do medieval German martial arts, and their methods of dealing with daggers are mostly identical with many types of Koryu jujutsu. There are takedowns, and the few that involve both fighters going to the ground are when the knife arm is isolated, locked and broken during the takedown. (con't)

[@MrTheRoMi]

"While Musashi was in Edo, a man named Musō Gonnosuke came, looking for a match. Gonnosuke was armed with a bokutō (wooden sword). At the moment, Musashi had a willow bow, but he immediately took up a stick to confront Gonnosuke. Without even a nod, Gonnosuke attacked. Musashi struck him down in one stroke. Thwarted, Gonnosuke quit." You are wrong.

[@JeffreyKamo]

Was that Colin Hyakutake there at the end of the first segment? Interesting!

[@Stethacanthus]

Up until just recently a Sports Center near where I live, but my instructor had to return home for family reasons.

[@rottunpunk]

excellent vid. thanks for sharing do you have anymore?

[@Peekingduck]

3:36 ... looks painful.. he lands on his hip-bone... Great clip. Thanks for uploading

[@nii87]

And is somehow a regular at pretty much every martial arts forum I've been to =P

[@cesarvidelac]

@HappyBirthdaySANTA I don't know who the artist is nor his/her school, but the instrument is a shakuhachi, a bamboo endlblown traditional flute. View wikipedia, they have a good article about it; here are some videos too

[@nicostormUK]

There's a difference between a man who lived during a period where technique could be developed on daily basis in real life situations, with real feedback as to what works and what didn't, and people hundreds of years later trying to do the same without any real knowledge of what they are doing. Learning from an experienced teacher, who has in turn received proper instruction, and so on, is imperative when it comes to Koryu JSA.

[@Crim15]

Yaku Sensei Colin Watkin. Taught in our Dojo a while back..

[@Peekingduck]

Nice! Thanks!

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

(con't)@JCLeSinge The only exception is armoured kampfringen which often involves groundfighting with daggers as that is one of the only ways to finish an armoured opponent (pin him and stick him in the visor, for example. It is essentially equivalent to Kumi Uchi.

[@unixtohack]

I think is is a very difficult task to do this, because after every cut there is a meaning and lesson. As an aikidoka I will study this because of these lessons in life.

[@nicostormUK]

haha, pot-kettle-black, I said I studied this school (ie ryu), not that I studied at the video posters dojo. If you notice the video itself was shot in France, during a annual European seminar, which was, and is attended by people from across Europe, and led by the head of the ryu and his students from Japan. There are main European practice groups in France, Finland, and low and behold the UK (among others).

[@vishreda]

musashi was beaten by gonnosuke, because he longing his mother. when duel gonnosuke's mother shout loud at gonno, and musashi lost his concentration. that's why he adore gonnosuke so much. lately, gonnosuke call musashi as a "sensei"

[@JCLeSinge]

@Kunstdesfechtens: On taking a knife-fighter to the ground... if you mean in the sense of tackling him with a view to ground-fighting... yes, you're right; bad move, good way to die. If you're attempting a takedown on a knife-fighter, you want to break his knife-arm in the process; to do that deliberately, you'd need a style with a much greater emphasis either on striking, wrist-locks, or both. Jujutsu would work; very useful in a weapons encounter.

[@GawainSSB]

Basically the pinnacle of Japanese dueling style.

[@lolinternetslol]

Not sure if that comment was directed at me, but those two guys had live instructors who knew what they were doing instead of a book that can't correct your mistakes.

[@Jinkiro]

From what I've learned, Musashi did in fact have a form of curriculum he passed on to his chosen successors. The Go Rin No Sho is something that would not really have been publicized if not for the efforts of one of them, who made copies of it. Besides this fact, I think people put WAY too much emphasis on the "bloodline" of any art as if not inheriting skills from a mentor means you have no chance. Musashi is living proof that this is not the case. All things with no teacher. Remember that.

[@Shniva]

Musashi actually lost a couple of duels when he was younger. Early late teens to early 20s hehe. But yes, his swordsmanship was legend.

[@TheRealBrianSellers]

I think the shorter one was made where it could be more controled where blocking/parrying would be. Might be wrong.

[@IsraTheBlack]

The most badass functional sword style.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

HNIR isn't actually about "two swords". The fundamentals are taught with a single sword (used mostly two handed), and that's the biggest focus of training. Other techniques are for short sword, staff, jutte, knife and empty hand. The important thing to realize is that it's the principles that are important, which are not confined to the weapon used to display the principle in any given HNIR waza.

[@SonofSunTzu]

So is it the 2 heaven technique is a katana pair with wakizashi, or they can use two katana too. Care anyone to explain? Pardon my ignorance because i'm not a kenjutsu disciple i'm only curious and interested.

[@nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Intersting, so who is your niten ichi-ryu teacher?

[@kogai]

You're welcome. :)

[@qoinbga]

@JustMeNoOther But then why did Musashi duel so much?

[@nicostormUK]

@Jabbawokeez4 Where abouts in Canada are you, this school is taught in Canada

[@nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Who said anything about finland?

[@CommanderC0D]

the art of the double sword...

[@rottunpunk]

@pwnageAAXAApker that guy holding only one sword is the soke. In kendo the hands are far apart, this makes it harder to get good reach and control over the sword. Like in many iai styles the space should be about 2 finger widths. but then a sword or bokuto is very different than a shinai also, it is the hara that makes the power, not the hands

[@gerardrbain1972]

His record speaks for itself.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

Which dojo do you train at?

[@CHAOSxKaiWebs]

As a Shinobi Im in great awe to see a Sword style as such. I would like to learn the style to farther enhance my swordmenship

[@nicostormUK]

where do you practice?

[@kogai]

5 sets? No, only five *kata*, I'm afraid. However, there may be a few extra nito kata among the secret techniques.

[@FULLTHROTTLE87]

how many warriors do you know about?

[@JCLeSinge]

@Kunstdesfechtens: I know what you mean; I've done some English medieval martial arts, and there's a strong similarity to some Kobudo techniques; sword and dagger is almost interchangeable with sword and jitte. Look also at the similarity of European two-handed sword to Katana techniques. I've not done any armoured fighting, but I understand the theory behind dropping on your opponent with the dagger; gravity and body weight provide enough power to drive through weaker points in the armour.

[@darthteej1]

You can see why this was meant to fight many opponents, with all of those stabs against a basic slash.

[@blayral]

that was enjoyable

[@nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk And you know this do you? Im assuming you have formal training in the school?

[@gerardrbain1972]

Miyamoto Musashi is the greatest individual warrior to ever pick up a weapon.

[@bgcorporation]

@Sovarius

[@A-Gut-of-the-Past]

don't think musashi-sensei was into fighting with both blades when facing just one opponent...but...maybe he has become more fictional...more legend with the passing years...over centuries...who knows how much is true about the author of the book of five rings.

[@iwpoe]

3:16 : Not so fast! I keep it now.

[@wRisingphoenixw]

@kenjutsukata1o1 What did he teach his students if not his own style? Didn't he establish at least two fencing schools?

[@kathrinsiggelkow6750]

David Shovlin &1

[@Peekingduck]

Sets of kata='Uke side and tori side"... Funny, the person that demonstrated at Meiji last time seemed to think that there was only 5.

[@JustMeNoOther]

@Tracers4lyf ... Is not sad, is so wise, what Musashi developed is not for modern mids, We need to learn and live with what he believed was only the best. Those who try to learn this arts is for elevate the spirit, not for competition, arrogance demostrations or to reach a sport trophy. Greentings.

[@andysuryantorovanruzzette9542]

@SonOfSunTzu: You could, but wielding tachi with your left arm requires more practice if you are not ambidextrous, I think. Wakizashi is lighter than tachi, though if you have equal strength in both of your arms, with sufficient training you could wield a pair of tachi.

[@nii87]

Strange... I don't recall HNIR ever having Jujutsu as part of its curriculum (I had a small oppurtunity to study it once). But those people are definitely HNIR people so I guess I was mistaken.

[@JustMeNoOther]

@qoinbga. He never looked for a trophy, the special situation of his time. The history will tell you... is not so simple, not with a simple answer.

[@Kunstdesfechtens]

Bringing BJJ to a swordfight is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Weapons change everything... taking even a knife fighter to the ground is a bad idea. Interestingly enough, Mushashi was reputed in some sources to have been an excellent jujutsu practicioner as well. Not surprising, considering the close coorelation between swordsmanship and grappling.

[@lolinternetslol]

Dude, they still train techniques that aren't allowed in competition most judo places. Hell, a lot of the time you really don't get to use newaza a whole lot, but you still practice it.

[@WakizashiSabre]

When training ukemi, it was really ok fall, trust me. When performed techniques as kote gaeshi with 2m tall dude, you will know what is a reall fall. It is like somersault in 0,5s with fall from quite a height.

[@Nebelung13]

There are advantages and disadvantages with having pedigree in martial arts, 1-allows for higher specialisation and diversity. 2-sometimes might be a little snob, or even lose a bit of that "jack of all trades" characteristic that made many martial arts succeed. all in all, i think its a question of taste. I myself prefer a school that as a defined orientation, that way im assured there to be no confusions.

[@stephenhonore2530]

Wow that was a swift move at 3:16

[@iavorkirilov5459]

have you ever heard about Muso Gonnosuke?He won against Musashi with stick :D

[@nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Hahaha, you're funny, seriously, I almost choked on my tea! Awesome, I look forward to more crap from your keyboard!

[@jakeharness8096]

Musashis teaching must have been far more evolved than this show. His duels were in large part life and death. The fighting would be far more intense, frightening, and chaotic than described here.

[@kogai]

Dear sir, this is not a "show" in the sense that you are referring to. It is a demonstration of Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu, a kenjutsu school that Miyamoto Musashi himself founded. Therefore, the school is an authentic Japanese martial art tradition. The techiques are historical, handed down by generation after another, and developed for training, not for entertainment or choreographed fight sequences. How you train can be very different from how you fight!

[@direitodeestaranonimo2045]

kogai This is not a sparring. People don't understand that a kata is a demo of techniques

[@kogai]

Well, I didn't exactly make the claim that all the techniques in this school orinate from Musashi himself. Often (usually?) forms are added by later headmasters (or important people) of the school. The school itself, however, was founded by Miyamoto Musashi. If you want to know more about the historical documents associated with the school (other than the Book of five rings, or Gorin no Sho), I would recommend contacting an authorized branch of the school and asking them if they can guide you further. I believe there is one or several in the UK, for example.

[@kogai]

It is essential in Japanese traditional martial arts schools to pass the school forward as a living tradition. Each teacher has his teacher who again has his teacher, and so on. This "teacher line" can eventually be traced back to the founder of the school. Teacher from each generation will get a certificate of full transmission, or a "menkyo kaiden", as it is usually called, once he has received the entire body of knowledge that the tradition carries. If there are no people with menkyo kaiden left, the lineage is to be considered broken and the school extinct. So, even if there were manuals or descriptions of the techniques left at that point, it would not change the school's status as a dead art. This is the Japanese view. That being said, transmission scrolls tend to list the kata series. I am not sure how often they contain actual descriptions of the forms, but I'm sure this happens as well.

[@someweirdo1486]

Most martial arts are devolved from their original lethal moves to fit sports, like judo did from japanese jujutsu, it removed the more dangerous techniques to fit society

[@maxgunn555]

@gerardrbain1972 actually i am.

[@Turigamot]

Did he now? What evidence do you have. Only one person is ever acknowledged as POSSIBLY (its debated quite a bit) beating Musashi, and that is Muso Gonnosuke.

[@jeounghh87]

good luck

[@basilolo]

You can get "Book of five rings" by Musashi Miyamoto. Search for it at online stores ;) For movei you can try out japanesesword (dot) net in category "MISC." "Others". Hope it helps ;) Greetings!

[@grebf]

ＢＧＭで銅鑼が鳴ってるあたりは、Chineseと混同してますな。

[@nicostormUK]

@Jabbawokeez4 argh, wrong side really, I think the closest to you is Calgary!

[@nii87]

Looks like it. He's a very intimidating looking bloke =P

[@MrLucasNess]

conjecture much?

[@emilewilmar4919]

hahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahaahahhaahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaahahahahhahaahahahahahahhaahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. mma doesn't even let you do small bone manipulation, kicks to the groin, eye gouges, throat stabs. musashi with or without a sword wold kill any pro mma bjj fighter

[@L3ssen]

@Peekingduck he rolls

[@Peekingduck]

There is only 5 sets of kata using both swords, I believe. Still, really interesting school

[@nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk I think I'll trust and stick with the teachings of the lineage of the school, rather than trying to make it up based on the go rin no sho.

[@emilewilmar4919]

not to mention musashi killed his first swordsman at the age of 13

[@kenjutsukata1o1]

All of this arguing is rather amusing. Musashi lived over four hundred years ago and reportedly never formally passed on his teachings. It is likely that the modern day style was developed by one of Musashi's students who felt the desire to carry on his master's legacy, which is commendable. But stop using Musashi's 'history' to argue about him. What is fact and what is fiction is highly debatable. It is unlikely that Shishido Baiken or even the Yoshioka brothers even existed.

[@VicariousReality7]

Why

[@lolinternetslol]

Are you kidding? There are plenty of things in judo, BJJ etc. that most pro MMA fighters know that are banned in competition. Just because they don't use them doesn't mean they don't train them.

[@SuperGreatsayaman]

Takezo

[@nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Oh I dont know everything, but I study this school properly, as part of the school with the head of the school, seen here in this video. Once you've stopped pretending to understand Musashi from simply reading his, badly translated on the whole, works, then maybe you could seek proper tuition yourself, although I suspect that will never happen, have fun.

[@bgcorporation]

Umm Judo actually isn't used for hand to hand competition. Judo is actually taught as a competition like sport. Like Wushu. So they really wouldn't know the more dangerous techniques that were removed from Judo. BJJ, I hate to tell you this but most BJJ fighters don't really like to perform in the streets because god knows what can be found, nails, glass. Hard Concrete. Western training is way different then Eastern training.

[@KuroiJigoku]

How come that most of the videos on KZbin result in quarrels? Just watch/ enjoy the video and stop writing immature nonsense...

[@Shibumi1979]

There is no jujutsu in Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. It's a modern creation of Iwami Toshio.

[@WeslleyPaulista.]

17 ninjas assistiram a esse video

[@Peekingduck]

That's the 'Novel story' and not a true account of the story...

[@maenonine]

sorry, I don't mean this in an insulting way, but I think you just missed the whole point of this demonstration.

[@bgcorporation]

>_> MMA and Sword Fighting is totally different. Also, an MMA fighter fights to just...win a cage Match. Musashi fought to stay alive. There is a difference between Cage Match and fighting as if your life depended on it. Also do some research before opening your mouth. Many of the advanced techniques of Martial Arts are banned from MMA, and MMA fighters learn the more non killing techniques.

[@Jabbawokeez4]

British Columbia

[@nii87]

You must be a very old man.

[@Nordzumu]

For fucks sake, kiss already.