5 Creatures to Avoid in Commander | Magic the Gathering

It might be best to steer clear of these creatures for Commander; they are not quite worth playing if you're looking to power up your decks, so enjoy today's #shorts video!
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[@Elentirion]

But consider this: if someone tries to remove your plat angel, just ignore the effect. You literally cannot lose, go ahead, break any rule you like.

[@brandonbrooks779]

Just say "did you read the card?"

[@zackkelley2940]

5 seconds later... "You're disqualified, but don't worry. You didn't lose... technically."^^

[@altrekzz9870]

The big story of the Honolulu Pro Tour wasn’t Kazuya Mitamura’s $40,000 victory in the finals...

[@Playingwithproxies]

It’s says you can’t lose not at that you can just cheat irl

[@reno2934]

@@Playingwithproxies yea but the penalty for cheating is losing the game, "points at platinum angel".

[@TheJcjonesacp]

Disagree with sheoldred, she’s great In Re animation decks

[@Fizzimals]

Yep one of my favorites and messes with everyone

[@BlepSSBU]

I put Sheoldred in my Myrkul deck, that way she doesn't even need to stay on the field to get the effect

[@zannothefox]

I agree I use her in a deck that non stop forces opponent sacrifices in order to keep board control and use nasty reanimation on my side with her too.

[@TheJcjonesacp]

@@zannothefox I mean at best if you do get her out and she is removed, you're draining your opponent's resources, but if it's late age she's a great closer. Either way, your opponent is forced to act, or can't do anything to stop her.

[@therevenant8533]

I run her in my Scorpion god deck

[@UniversalJuan]

Remember kids, don't run cards at all because everything dies to removal, or something

[@darkperihellion]

I was thinking the same with his weak explanations xD

[@DAsrada]

Hard disagree on Sheoldred. Amazing card in Muldrotha Lands, especially with a full graveyard in a long game, grindy match up. Use with Bazaar of Baghdad to more or less decide what you want to bring back out of your hand and top 2. Any removal spent on it is removal not sent at Muldrotha the Gravetide.

[@olivermeloche2042]

While I love the idea of embracing the true spirit of edh by using a broken thousands of dollars land to make a 7 mana bad mythic work sheolred is pretty bad even in the scenario you listed, but with casual edh it's sometimes good to have broken enablers with horrible payoffs

[@namrepusprime6793]

Agreed, also if I have enough mana to bring her out then chances are I've got something more evil in my hand. I love mono black.

[@DAsrada]

@@olivermeloche2042 Dude, just because the card doesn't combo with Thassa's Oracle doesn't mean the card is horrible.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

@@DAsrada no but giving your three opponents a chance to do something about it before it really has an impact makes the card bad. Living death only costs five mana lol.

[@vulpinegoliath9672]

@@olivermeloche2042 You can use Geier Reach Sanitarium or any other looter. It doesn't have to be the thousand dollar land.

[@diabeticmonkey]

Sheoldred is an absolute powerhouse if you can cast her with flash, which is stupidly simple

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

All you have to do is go turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 buried alive for Sheoldred, Burning-Rune Demon, and any creature based Sacrifice outlet. Turn 3 you play lightning Greaves and animate dead on sheoldred and congratulations. You now have a nearly untouchable reanimator combo that will allow you to tutor your deck for 2 creatures per turn, one into hand and one basically onto the battlefield

[@funnfungusie9622]

​@@daltooinewestwood6380 Yep sounds like a consistent combo that happens in most games you play

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@funnfungusie9622 there are more ways of getting this combo than just the cards I’ve listed here. This is just the example

[@iocsparkfire0075]

Why the abilities trigger on upkeep

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Also, you can reanimate her and 7 mana is not that much actually. He's totally wrong on Sheoldred

[@howardwu4582]

This is such non sense, in the right decks, cards like Plat angel and Sheoldred really shine, Nitpicking Nerds really need to know thier stuff better!

[@deliathrana6212]

I mean Being nitpicky is their whole thing

[@smurffy5330]

It’s their opinion tho, beezy is a good magic player and I take his words seriously 😐 perhaps plat and other pet cards are good in specific decks, but he’s basically saying you can’t just run it willy nilly 🤷🏼‍♂️ it’s a card that pretty much says deal with ASAP and makes u a threat more or less lol

[@shade0mirth]

I generally avoid their content as I actively disagree with almost anything they have to say. I like Sheoldred, so I play it. I play platinum angel in my 'can't lose' tribal mono white. That's really all that matters. If someone wants to only run cards they deem to be good given some predetermined notion of how to play edh, I'll run 'bad' cards that are amazing when used in odd ways.

[@smurffy5330]

@@shade0mirth you just described what I had said tho, u run those “bad” cards in decks that abuse them lol beezy said there bad cuz they don’t go in most decks 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@shade0mirth]

@@smurffy5330 ah, I wasn't thinking of Sheoldred or platinum angel as bad (sheoldred in particular can take over a game by herself). I'm more speaking in general about cards that most people would look at and describe as jank at best. I also was trying to say that I run cards because I want to, not because someone on KZbin deems them to be worth running. Edit: my main problem is with the mindset that cards are good or not good based on how many decks they fit into.

[@leoperazabo]

Platinum Angel in a Kaalia’s Deck has saved multiple times 👌🏾

[@Akario3]

nighthawk: still good, makes people not want to attack you and you can run both him and his upgraded cousin pridemate: on lifegain he is still good, on lifegain cats even better Scuttes: its slow sure, but you only spend 1 mana lol, sometimes the unasuming cards are the ones that get the most value Angel: its niche Sheldred: people in the comments have already said it better

[@Nova-zk5gn]

I agree with all your commenta except Plat isnt a niche card. It can be evry impactful. In so many decks

[@joshdamighty]

1 mana to become a removal target later? Easy bait bug. 😁

[@randorookie8587]

I’ve got a non commander black white vampire deck that uses nighthawk and if he gets played and you can’t stop him right then and there game it’s over and done granted the deck can do that with just about any of its creatures provided set up is correct but nighthawk does it quickest and easiest

[@bigspagheti4119]

Glad to see you getting ratioed in the comments on this one. Sheoldred and Platinum Angel absolutely have their places.

[@davidfirth6325]

Sheoldred in my Sefris recursion deck does WORK!!

[@werothegreat]

Exactly, if you can cheat her out, run her. I've got her in my Erinis/Scion Monster Manual deck, which is all about cheating out big chonkers.

[@laharlfan71]

i had a bastard pull a turn 3 culling ritual into a Sheoldred, we got instantly locked out of the game, not fun lol

[@wadewilson5712]

i have her i a few decks and she does work very well

[@bossjacob9667]

My flatmate got Sheoldred out turn 4 in his Sefris deck, that’s not even the start of his big creatures either

[@Abomb1987]

A lot of fun in Sataro also

[@Epiclesis]

Sheoldred works, why is this dude comparing it to a sorcery?

[@atk9989]

Yea, compare it to other permanents they always have to have some slight downside for the recurring effects.

[@w4tch0ut10]

Objectively speaking it's not a good card. Sure it can work. But that's due to the nature of most EDH decks being simply not good decks and not because Sheoldred is any good ^^

[@atk9989]

@@w4tch0ut10 you're toxic and I hope you don't ever play in casual pods. And I say you're toxic because by your own words you are saying only cEDH decks are good and winning is the only thing that matters. I fail to see how a 7 mana 7/7 with swampwalk, every turn straight to battlefield reanimation, and every turn 1 sided sack creature removal is bad. I play sheoldred in nearly all of my black in them decks and every time I see it in a game either mine or others it is either a must counter or the biggest threat on board and a must kill. So how is a card that is usually the biggest threat on board because it gets you back your combo creatures or other big threats right back, how is that a bad card?

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@w4tch0ut10 you’re incorrect. She’s good in commander because commander decks can get her out by turn 2 or 3 and make her nearly impossible to remove. Most commander decks aren’t “bad” they’re just difficult to make consistent. And that’s entirely because most people who play commander don’t want a game to be over by turn 4. We’re the type of magic players who want a game to last 3 hours

[@w4tch0ut10]

@@daltooinewestwood6380 3h for ONE game? 😳 This is going to give me nightmares 😅. No, seriously, how often do you play commander then? Like one game a week? :d I like to try out different decks and strategies. That way I'd never be able to

[@superstandardman]

"No matter the power point of the deck" casuals: you under estimate my power

[@jimbeer7390]

Platinum angle is great with Myrkul, lord of bones it turns the creature into a enchantment with the same text

[@cozymosss]

THIS, especially combined with Fountain Watch (an absolutely BROKEN card paired with Myrkul that makes all enchantments, including itself, have shroud)

[@TinyLokiGaming]

I also have it as a 7 drop in my Eldrazi Cascade Cascade, why not have a level of redundancy in big smashy

[@bengarcia6880]

Vampire nighthawk has superior artwork and will continue to be chosen first for me

[@ianoneal3543]

choose both of them

[@thatonenecromancer4044]

Something sorta important to remember is that your deck doesn't need to be optimized or powerful to be fun! Depending on the table playing a bunch of pet cards like platinum angel is hella fun. I made a kaalia entirely made with a bunch of old classics like Serra Angel and shivan dragon which is still probably my favorite deck I've made.

[@P3rvenc]

I've seen a lot of people saying this "your deck doesn't need to be optimized to be fun", but I have NEVER seen a person with a non optimized deck have fun, while everyone is doing cool stuff, playing 3-4 cards a turn with a bunch of synergy, the "fun" non-optimized deck just either play land and do nothing, or play his 6 drop flying trample that does nothing and don't even attack with it until its removed

[@tntsantana57]

@@P3rvenc I think this applies to your playgroup/pod though. If everyone is playing lower power or "fun" decks then it should be fine. Idk though just thought I'd reply, have a good one!

[@CorsairJoshua]

Now this is a person I'd love to play EDH with.

[@smurffy5330]

@@P3rvenc you haven’t played enough magic then buddy 😂💀

[@thatonenecromancer4044]

@@P3rvenc it's highly dependent on the playgroup, I wouldn't shuffle up my more super casual decks with a random group at fnm but like with friends who have similar decks its super fun and kinda relaxing to tone down the power

[@zotmaster]

Grave Titan approves.

[@TheSilverTiger510]

unfortunatly, I can't agree about sheoldred. there are decks that want sheoldred. sure, most decks will want other cards that help them win the game with seven mana, but there are decks like tergrid that this is a great card you want to put in.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

I’ve literally never seen anyone hard cast a sheoldred. She always comes down turn 3-5 with a reanimator and it’s always a nightmare. OP doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@stevencouture1481]

Ajani's pridemate is actually a great card. It gains a counter anytime you gain life. Plus you can give it an easy aura, artifact, or enchantment giving it hexproof, shroud, etc.

[@mentaloasis]

Yup, this exactly. Pridemate can become huge quick in lifegain decks that optimize multiple triggers. Hes a beast in my Patron of the Kitsune deck.

[@Kryptnyt]

Platinum Angel from Whir of Invention will forever be a great way to stay in the game in response to some "I win" trigger

[@lysander3262]

Yes...but you could also Whir into -Relic of Progenitus or Grafdigger's Cage (if they are about to mass reanimate/cheat into play) -Ensnaring Bridge (if they are about to attack) -Spine of Ish Sah (if it requires a permanent) -Oblivion Stone (if it requires many permanents) -Platinum Emperion (if it would do damage/lifeloss) -Null Rod (if they are trying to Scepter) -Elixir of Immortality (if they are milling you) -Temple Bell (if they are trying to Thoracle) I ran Plat for a long time, it's great. Run it if you like it. She's a beauty. But it's always going to be like the 4th most relevant Whir target.

[@w4tch0ut10]

@@lysander3262 this

[@ElijahKlar]

As a high level edh player, this, while informative, is only valuable in a vacuum. It completely disregards synergy

[@w4tch0ut10]

Not really. All of these cards are objectively bad. Especially when viewed from a higher level perspective.

[@victorunger]

@@w4tch0ut10 lmao vampire nighthawk was so good for so long they made a new one. It is not a bad card now nor was is ever.

[@Garl_Vinland]

Consider someone is going to get a Thoracle win. You cryptic gateway in a Platinum Angel, denying them the win and they instead lose the game. So even Platinum can beat one of the highest tier strats

[@lilyireland3510]

Sheoldred is somthing to never avoid. Great card if you’ve baited removal already, which isn’t hard. Play a low mana, big synergy card for your deck, watch it get stopped, and play her. Big ups

[@distranthegloriouslydeform9259]

I had a game where Sheoldred keep me alive for like 5 turns at 1 life

[@ACrustyCount]

"Avoid nighthawk and use this instead " Or I can have both for good blockers and lifegain effects I can draw more often

[@jaxsonbateman]

This was my biggest issue with the video. If one of them is good enough to make the cut, then both of them are.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@jaxsonbateman well it depends. If there is a really tight cutoff, go scavenger over regular nighthawk, and sometimes you’re also looking for that second creature type of rogue or shaman. Rogue has a bunch of synergy that only one gets to use

[@jaxsonbateman]

@@lazydroidproductions1087 Definitely agree with Scavenger if you're only including one - seems obvious - but what are the odds that you're only wanting one of those two and not both? Slim to none, I imagine. If one of them isn't good enough to not make the cut, usually both of them won't be.

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@jaxsonbateman Like I said, rogue synergy. I’ve got a vampire rogue deck. One of these hits two creature types, one only hits one

[@lazydroidproductions1087]

@@jaxsonbateman Like I said, rogue synergy. I’ve got a vampire rogue deck. One of these hits two creature types, one only hits one

[@mr.joesterr5359]

SHEOLDRED?! You guys are actually smoking something good share with the rest of us

[@slowggles]

imagine being told you're playing casual wrong

[@Infernoblade1010]

Sheoldred is an absolute star in morbid/reanimate style decks. Reanimating her for 1 black and 7 life turn 2/3 pretty much shuts down most non-competitive decks.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

In no CEDH Sheoldred is a house. This guy is so wrong

[@simplyprism5854]

​@@victorperezurbano9504 with Carmen Cruel Skymarcher out now Sheoldred is busted. If Sheodlred gets removed, Carmen will bring her ass right back on the next turn and they wasted a removal. If they remove Carmen, which I run plenty of hexprrof/indestructible for Carmen so eventually they will have an extremely hard time doing, but if they do, they still have to deal with Sheoldred and then I can just recast Carmen next turn or let her go to the graveyard and reanimated Carmen without commander tax. Either way Sheoldred is like having a mini Carmen + fleshbag marauder in the deck just minus the +1+1 counters and the need to keep sacrificing and recasting

[@hithropyro9051]

I almost feel attacked. I have a deck that runs almost half of the creatures listed.

[@benshearer1710]

Preach

[@Felhate]

Casuals: I'm just going to ignore this.

[@Cujucuyo]

EDH is a casual format though...

[@vulpinegoliath9672]

Literally. I like to view these videos just to pick up some janky cards to put on my decks.

[@jasonrustmann7535]

@@vulpinegoliath9672 ditto lol i have either seen these, or had some of these, not just help, but straight up win games, only one i haven't seen was that little green bug, which I'll be rewatching just to get it's name and go pick up one for my Targ Nar deck lol

[@jaxsonbateman]

IKR. Narrator mentions that it's been underperforming in every format they've tried it in; other people are like "my anecdotal experience says it's good" as though they've analyzed it to the same degree. 😅

[@w4tch0ut10]

This 😂 just read the comment section. Lmao. "Sheoldred is a powerhouse" - yeah, my ass it is 😅

[@Jayjordancomedy]

There's a part of my brain that is always screaming that these shorts are market manipulation in some way, but these takes are too bad to sway prices

[@johnstarinieri7360]

I still think these cards have their niche, I run Vampire Nighthawk in my Kathril deck for those sweet keywords and Scute Mob in my Grist deck because it’s a cheap insect card

[@benshearer1710]

Yeah it may take time too build up but yeah it also cost one mana I've had it doo some damage too

[@AngeloRosales64]

Sheoldred? Really? Every time you play her, it’s always super impactful.

[@NoFlu]

Yea. I'd say the fact that she immediatly becomes the target for removal by your enemies speaks to her overall strength. Yea, she might not pay off turn 1, but removing her becomes necessary or the costs will stack up

[@AnonymousAnonymous-kq5oc]

Sheoldred is really nice in a reanimate deck, especially in the 99. Once you put her in the bin, puller out for a cheap reanimate spell. Turns out a turn 4 sheoldred can be really back breaking.

[@werothegreat]

Vampire Nighthawk is fine, power is largely ignorable on a deathtouch blocker, which is what it is.

[@Esper_Compleat]

But for three mana, you can just run a removal spell, or a creature that might block more than the once

[@mibbzx1493]

@@Esper_Compleat nah vampire nighthawk is good, it baits out their removals because it has deathtouch and its a flier than can gain you life or keep other fliers fromm attacking you because you can trade. You get more value out of nighthawk that just going 1 for 1 with a removal spell 🤣

[@Esper_Compleat]

@@mibbzx1493 If someone decides to remove it later, you're going one for one, but when they want to, rather then waiting on a real three drop The incidental lifegain isn't of much consequence, even like 10 life will almost never change a commander game You being able to trade off requires someone to have creatures that aren't very evasive, that are more important than your three drop, and and for them to not just attack with other things

[@mibbzx1493]

@@Esper_Compleat we can agree to disagree then, i got him in like 5 decks 🤣 he puts in work. Every time he’s on board they be like “oh he got deathtouch? Im not swinging at him. Which is EXACTLY what you want in a commander game to help you get extra few turns to build or setup your game plan. Then he’s a vampire and a rouge so tribal in edgar markov or even evelyn the covetous now this card gets more value, please waste your removal on my vampire nighthawk so my commander can actually resolve 🤣

[@werothegreat]

@@Esper_Compleat it's a removal spell you can pre-play. so you're not just holding up 2-3 mana every turn.

[@ryanbrackett6463]

He lost my respect when he dissed Ajani's Pridemate

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

Lost respect for them ages ago. Then again the channel name describes them perfectly I don’t know what I expected

[@ultratog1028]

I think the best commentary on Platinum Angel is Tron perfectly curves into it and Tron NEVER plays it.

[@nimenpalac454]

plat won me one game, i owe her.

[@vasylpark2149]

Vampire nighthawk and platinum angel are pet cards and Ajani's pridemate is in my Lurrus deck so that's not coming out.

[@DUxMORTEM]

Im sorry what? Sheoldred is amazing, one of the better praetors right now.

[@haftashaft]

Yeah this is dumb and assuming you hard cast her which you never will in a black deck. Hell entomb exhumed dark rite is a turn 1 sheoldred.

[@w4tch0ut10]

And why the f would you ever waste those spells on a Sheoldred when you could get Razaketh, instead?

[@DUxMORTEM]

@@w4tch0ut10 razekath doesn't force your opponents to sac stuff, doesn't reanimate and doesn't have swampwalk(which matters if you have urborg). Also you can bring razekath in with Sheoldred because razekath is more expensive.

[@w4tch0ut10]

@@DUxMORTEM but Razaketh can tutor for your win con (or whatever it may be you need at the time) the very moment it hits the board and in response to removals. With Sheoldred you need a lot more setup (important creature in your own yard, creatures (and ideally no tokens) on your opponents board. And a lot more time to get your value out of it +, which means (typically) 3 opponents can have their own turn to draw into removal or cast a Grafdiggers Cage/similar and reduce Sheoldreds value. I'd just say that, in comparison of the two cards, Razaketh is very rarely not a good play while Sheoldred seems a lot more situational and slow.

[@DUxMORTEM]

@@w4tch0ut10 okay if we are talking like that ill just run all the black tutors and find twin\flame dualcaster mage or thoracle\consulatation for the win or just play Godo and literally just cast my commander to win before you even get a whiff of razekath.

[@ProAverageJoe]

I believe the sheoldred is only put in there because he wants to stop playing against it 😂😂😂

[@NightOfCrystals]

Man, I remember when OG Sheoldred was a powerhouse in commander. It’s been a while, but power creep has also been big.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Nah bro, she's still amazing in no cedh

[@andricaion9036]

Well, Plat Angel is a must in an Angel Deck I think.

[@Garl_Vinland]

You think the Nitpicking nerds Stan for angel decks?

[@jamihcustodio6808]

Me looks at the comments: let us show love on our waifu sheoldred my phyrexian brothers

[@kendrickvickers2610]

as soon as i played sheoldred i became the enemy of the table and as soon as she was gone i wasnt anymore

[@TransparentEclipse]

Bro I literally won a game against a sweaty arcades deck using nothing but a plat angel, a few counterspells, a thassa, and an archeomancer. The dude had me at -3000 life and had a massive imposing board and I literally just sat there countering all of his removal for my plat angel. Waited until his value engine put him at like 20 or so cards in his deck then just cast blue suns zenith targeting him. I wouldn’t have come even close to winning that game without the plat angel in the deck

[@boots4snootin571]

Platinum angel is my baby

[@TPhoneHome]

Yea platinum angel is literally one of the best tabletop cards ever made. I’m shocked to see it in here. You are never supposed to play PA alone, you need to play it with enchantments or other protections so it serves as a horcrux.

[@MultiCrisper]

PA is not powerful, efficient, or fast. It requires build arounds, and a setup to do anything. It has no protection or redundancy. It costs 7 mana. It's also an artifact, meaning it can be targetted by more than just creature hate. There are a myriad of cards viable in EDH that outclass PA in every way. If you however run PA because you enjoy it, then that's fine. You don't need to justify it on the internet.

[@wigglytuffgaming]

@@MultiCrisper lightning greaves, indestructible? Like yah it's a little more work but you can literally make yourself unable to lose unless they have multiple instances of A/E removal or mass exile.

[@Garl_Vinland]

PA is a powerful card, just not necessarily a staple. If you’re playing against a solitaire “I win” combo/aggro deck, they can’t do much about it, and are basically forced to conceed. There are ways to recur it, protect it, flash it in. It’s vastly underated when you play it in a deck that likes to pay life to kill your opponent, or with other “you lose” cards that simply get ignored. The problem you have with PA is it is not inheritantly an offensive card. It’s not a Craterhoof. Defensive cards always get a bad rap, but consider Craterhoof does nothing against an opponent with a PA on the field.

[@wizzedsoup4277]

Vampire nighthawk is amazing in Obosh though.

[@origaminosferatu3357]

Woah what a great idea. Never thought of that.

[@yavivanov6650]

1. Every evasive odd mv threat is good with obosh 2. Scavenger is still better

[@atk9989]

@@yavivanov6650 why would you not run both anyway? Both made the cut in my abzan keywords deck and my strefon deck.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@yavivanov6650 that isn’t even a fair comparison in the first place. They’re literally the same card but Scavenger is just objectively better even in a vacuum. What makes Vampire NH good in commander/an obosh deck is the fact that you can only have 1 copy of any card and this basically allows you to have 2 copies of NH scavenger

[@Winterwarriorc]

Sheoldred I’ve had a lot of success with in my Umezawa ninjitsu deck

[@drunkgerbil9962]

I'd like some suggestions for a Sheokdred replacement 🤔

[@semberspirit]

Toxrill

[@MultiCrisper]

Animate Dead, Reanimate

[@Balmungxcx]

Rise of The Dark Realms

[@victorperezurbano9504]

​@@semberspiritin a deck that wants Toxrill you ALSO play Sheoldred

[@qurangreen7041]

Hard disagree with Sheoldred. I literally bullied a whole table with a Sheoldred/Junji combo in a Kamiz deck with Lurrus, Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, and Necromancy as back up. Another player copied my Sheoldred and guaranteed the Gishath and goad decks never got to pop off. If you can't close with Sheoldred on board then it's not the card/deck its the pilot 😏

[@last7116]

I will accept absolutely no Sheoldred slander. That thing is as much of a bomb as it is has always been. It can and will take over games in any graveyard deck that isn’t completely streamlined for CEDH.

[@tylerwolf42]

Sheoldred works wonders in my Sarulf realm eater deck. Opponents have to choose between Sarulf or Sheoldred to remove. If they leave them alone, she really helps Sarulf get bigger. Say what you will, she's awesome.

[@basilniebla5535]

I like Scute Mob because it’s one of those “can get out of control if it isn’t taken care of” sort of cards. (In a board state with more obvious threats)

[@bububu__]

Sheoldred is one of my favourite cards, sad to see it get so outperformed :(

[@DUxMORTEM]

Shes an amazing card my dude, these guys have no idea what they are talking about.

[@awsomeman350]

She doesn't at all. She was my first mythic ever in the first pack I ever bought. She still does a ton of work in graveyard and reaminator decks. These guys are just wrong

[@kaseybennett7415]

Sheoldred has been an overpreformer for me pretty consistently so I'll just choose to disagree on that one

[@testaklese]

Sheoldred is only bad because everyone cries and targets you as soon as she sticks.

[@victorperezurbano9504]

Which shows she's insanely good

[@gr1nder07]

I really do love dropping sheoldrid in my tergrid deck. It has won me the game my conceding more times than by running the game out especially because I run a lot of protection

[@w4tch0ut10]

And here I've just dismantled my entire Tergrid deck, because it was just way too weak to be any fun 😭

[@colinbrown74]

I think you vastly overestimate how quickly the average EDH pod typically answers Sheoldred, especially if you cheat her out early.

[@combatinstinctisthebestgam2657]

Are you joking me? Sheoldred is an absolute powerhouse. You don't run for the sacs, you run her for her reanimating ass.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

“Vampire nighthawk is low impact.” In commander a flying creature with death touch is basically a “must remove”. And if your opponent is using removal on a 2/3 instead of your Tegrid, or your muldrotha, or your SHEOLDRED. Then I’d say that’s pretty good impact

[@EidoEndy]

Alright, time to make a deck with all 5 of these bad boys.

[@Shane16784]

If you are hard casting Sheoldred perhaps, but as it happens black can reanimate pretty effectively.

[@jtvanilla1776]

As a dirty control player, I will usually let the sheoldred stick around so it wrecks my opponents, then kill it before the opponent gets a reanimate

[@privatepenguin2496]

Big brained is using both nighthawks lmao

[@moviefan2236]

From first hand experience, Sheoldred is a force to be reckoned with in the right deck. A guy I used to play with had a Gisa and Garalf deck with the main piece being Sheoldred, and after he made the deck more efficient at getting her out, he could only be beat by one other person. I came close once and had him at 1 life point, but he managed to wipe my board and kill me while everyone else, who had agreed to kill him but barely did anything against him even though at least one could have, and that was the one saying we should take him down, scooped. After that is when he tweaked the deck to be faster because of me.

[@MrTheanimekiller]

I play sheoldred in my kaalia stax deck. I just make a lot of treasures and use artifacts for mana while destroying other people's lands or using things like winter orb and smothering tithe to make it as hard as possible for others to have mana to counter what I'm doing. Once I have my sac outlet running and the unhallowed out with my solemnity then the game is pretty much over

[@nicholaslane8842]

Plat Angel has saved more games for me than it has been insignificant.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL Scute Mob is great as long as you play it on t5 forcing an opponents reaction to a small window. I like using Scute Mob in Volrath Shapestealer or Brokkos :P

[@the_myco_dad]

“Platinum Angel isn’t hard to remove.” Spells aren’t hard to counter. Graveyards aren’t hard to interact with. Protection isn’t hard to cast.

[@justinanderson2631]

The only reason I think Sheoldred, whispering one sees play is that she's a good target for reanimation in reanimation decks. She also does impact the board with her last ability technically, and most reanimation decks love their edict effects like plaguecrafter.

[@Saiku]

How dare you diss Nighthawk. Just run both, duh.

[@jf9022]

Sheoldred is absolutely back breaking IF you can cheat her out in the first few turns while everyone is still setting up and protect her. She's an all-star in my Sefris deck.

[@elijahantonelli9626]

Okay but hear me out, if I’m making a vampire themed deck, I want both vampires not just one.

[@dyciefisk2535]

The only time I've seen Platinum Angel run where it was actually decent was a deck with a high concentration of those effects. The game plan was to sandbag your lifetotal to zero and then either swap it with an opponent or imprint it manually with cards like Axis Of Mortality or Repay In Kind.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

Decks that play sheoldred are designed to get her on the board by turn 3, and make her impossible to permanently remove

[@NitpickingNerds]

I feel like if I could do those things with a creature I’d want Vilis, Razaketh, Mikaeus, Lord of the Void, Herald of Leshrac, Wurmcoil, Archon of Cruelty, or any Eldrazi first

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@NitpickingNerds first off, sheoldred is way better than half those cards you just mentioned, and she comes with the added benefit of being a repeatable reanimator on a stick. If you’re playing Ravos or Muldrotha, she’s totally insane. Second off, 2 out of the 6 eldrazi titans are straight up banned in Commander and 2 of the other 4 cannot be reanimated as they cannot sit in the graveyard.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@NitpickingNerds the only cards that I agree are probably better than Sheoldred are Razaketh and maybe Archon of cruelty. But here’s the thing. Buried alive gets 3 creatures and nothing you mentioned here is capable of reanimating the other 2. Unlike sheoldred, who single handedly turns buried alive into a tutor for 3 creatures.

[@thesquirrel4257]

Platinum Angel looking really mean with the new Myrkul, Lord of Bones commander.

[@CorsairJoshua]

You can't tell me what to do! You're not my dad!

[@philvess6376]

Scute mob is a beast in my "Brokkos, aspect of forever" deck... Its not great in every deck, but this is one of the fun aspect of EDH, finding good synergies with non-obvious cards.

[@verbugterherrderdunkelheit6086]

Pridemaid is super great in Queza Commander decks, because you constantly get 1 life. Combine it with a wedding invitation, which already fits great into this deck, you get a potential unblockable swing of 20 or even higher with just a 2 mana investment.

[@raymondchristopher80]

I got 2 words for you... NINJA PRAETOR LMAO

[@ghost_bunny34]

Running Ajani's Pridemate is so fun on a lifesteal deck

[@fooltheroyal8691]

Scute mob seems kinda insane- It's a 1 drop and ramping up to 5 lands can be done as early as turn 3. That means turn 4 they got a 9/9 that can have 1/1 counter effects on it like menace and trample. There are plenty of 1/1 counter decks out there since they're so strong and this card seems insane.

[@irinamilanvishevsky7575]

Nighthawk works perfectly well in Edgar Markov. Good early game, and a good midgame blocker, as well as some life gain

[@ibetyoufivedollars]

Yeah it’s just a rock solid vampire card, I don’t see what’s wrong with it

[@tagmata1872]

The fact night hawk isn’t good enough now is deeply depressing

[@brandyourfan9244]

Scute Mob is low key amazing. Since it is a vanilla one drop, most people just ignore it. I had a game where my opponents spent their removal early, and my Mob grew to have 29 power. So satisfying when I dropped a Return of the Wildspeaker.

[@Balmungxcx]

I agree on everything EXCEPT Sheoldred. I've never seen a game where she was slapped down and the rest of the table didn't collectively say/agree "someone's gotta get rid of that."

[@rinan5317]

Unpopular opinion: I actually like Scute Mob. Nobody and I mean nobody wants to use their spot removal on it and will be a waste to board wipe only to kill that thing.

[@aranhahumana6545]

What should I exchange Ajani pridemate for?

[@AliveElement1122]

Sheoldred in a reanimator deck out at turn 2-4 is pretttty good one of my favorite cards atm.

[@joebaumgart1146]

That's why you run multiple redundant copies of Platinum Angel effects. Gideon of the Trials, Cloudsteel Kirin, ect. Then run Lich's Mirror and Enduring Angel.

[@strangelucario448]

So, I will say Ajani's Pridemate is great in Linden, Steadfast Queen. If you drop it on turn 2, Linden turn 3 - you get a counter on attack, then toss an Archangel of Thune and double up that trigger per attack.

[@PhilButcher]

I'll never stop putting sheoldred in. I know it's too expensive, I know it gets removed, but I can't help but love the crustacean lady.

[@theliving1037]

It's one of my favorite cards tbh, if she stays for even 1 turn, 3 kills and a reanimate. If you have a way to stop her from dying as easy like darksteel plate or something. She does a lot.

[@BioRoot]

Vampire Nighthawk holds a special place in my Bio-Quartz Spacegodzilla deck. 6/6 with Deathtouch, Flying, Lifelink, & Trample that does commander damage is 👌🏼

[@representativejoints1188]

Sheoldred was terrifying the first month I played magic. Now I laugh, because someone's probably going to uno reverse the card. The last time two times saw it played it was stolen the turn after it dropped.

[@TheCommandSphere]

Vampire nighthawk in the new indominus Rex deck

[@panthrosantech1540]

Sheoldred is killer in my Satoru deck. Swing in with an unblockable or flying 1 drop and BAM you are hitting for 6 and on upkeep getting another creature back and then having 1 less creature on each of your opponents turns to deal with. And bonus points if your opponents are playing black as you smack for 6 unblockable and can swap Sheoldred back into your hand to do it all over again.

[@jumbleumble5386]

What metas are playing in?

[@williamtucker3649]

Platinum Angel is GREAT in Myrkul Lord of Bones. Especially if you double the enchantment tokens it creates. Having three enchantments that say you can’t win and I can’t lose is amazing

[@SyxxPunk]

There's a place for Platinum Angel in a Commander deck: The "I do not respect you as a player or a person" Phage deck.

[@BornFromEmbers]

I Sheoldred in my Ratadrabik deck! Ratadrabik will just make a token of her if she dies, so it’s much easier to untap with her. Pair that with gift of immortality or any reanimate spell and it’s pretty easy to have like 3 out at one time.