Which Haymakers are Worth It? | A Guide to Big Splashy Spells in Commander

[@jfar3508]

I would watch a Tooth and Nail combo video.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Noted! 😁

[@mogryking3830]

The question is, what are the "safest" combo pieces you should play.

[@NitpickingNerds]

@@mogryking3830 I think you just play cards that fit your deck already but also combo.

[@EJsGameplay]

@@NitpickingNerds Call it a tag team champions list, things you grab in pairs with any cards like T&N, Victimize, Defense of the Heart, etc.

[@demolisherman1763]

@@NitpickingNerds speaking of combos do you have a best way to execute them? Should you just try to put all of them on the board at the same time, should you try to sneak them on at opportune times while everyone’s attention is diverted on the obligatory commander arch-enemy?

[@autoenthused]

You guys referenced most of my Jodah deck. Nothing wrong w a 10 drop cascade, cascade, cascade lol. Great to see you guys bouncing back and forth more smoothly.

[@Arvaniz]

Ha! My fellow Jodah player! I say the exact same thing. Time Stretch Sheoldred, Whispering One Avacyn, Angel of Hope Void Winnower Kozilek, the Great Distortion It That Betrays In Garruk's Wake Omniscience (plus its partner, Enter the Infinite) ... are ALL in my Jodah deck. (Plus Obliterate as a wincon, combined with Avacyn)

[@dontbother4830]

Did we all just make the Same Jodah decks??? I really like Bringer of the Black Dawn and Bringer of the Blue Dawn

[@blackmage665]

@@dontbother4830 those dawn bringers are soo good, people get real annoyed when I can wubrg them out without jodah. I only run the black one these days, as I have better card draw but the blue dawn is still good.

[@HikariOblivion]

Emrakul the Promised End deserves bonus points for how badass a title The Promised End is

[@elizabethstevenson9707]

Since I saw the meme, I can no longer read the card as anything other than “Emwacute the promised friend”.

[@itslexactually]

*fwiend

[@mattdeters8306]

Peer Into The Abyss. Every time I've resolved it, I've won. And in K'rrik, it's typically a four-drop (at most).

[@NitpickingNerds]

That doesn’t fit in this video but it is very strong nonetheless.

[@keabonhall9046]

@@NitpickingNerds I’m very confused why that doesn’t count but Bolas’ Citadel was the first

[@bladetb3934]

@@keabonhall9046 peer into the abyss doesn't play the cards.

[@MaxPwnzer]

I enjoy using as seven mana player removal in my Nekusar deck, or with Waste Not in play I activate my Jace's Archivist before they're pinged to death, then just deciding my turn will now be the last one way or another.

[@NathanShepard]

Yes, my playgroup "banned" peer into the abyss as it is a single card that can kill a target player with at least one permanent that pings 1 damage per card drawn...like in a Nekusar deck.

[@magnusberge]

Villainous Wealth is my favorite haymaker, and i run it in each deck that can hold it, on theme or not

[@NitpickingNerds]

How many sultai decks do you have??

[@magnusberge]

@@NitpickingNerds i did not say it was in all my Sultai decks, i said inn all decks that can hold it, as Atraxa has Sultai colors in her (so there is 1 there), then there is 1 inn The Ur-Dragon, and 1 inn Brookos Apex of Forver. And 1 inn Kadena Slinking sorccerer

[@braydenjames8957]

@@magnusberge team kadena! Got any secret spicy cards in yours? I dont come across many other people playing kadena so I always feel I need to ask!

[@magnusberge]

@@braydenjames8957 well i got some cards that take advantage of you drawing like crazy with this deck, i also have cards that deal with manifest as this also draws you that card, then i got some all creature pump effects as the morphs when turned around ain that much of a threat to look at, finally ive got some big splashy spells as win conditions as with all this card draw and access to green, you hit your mana drop each round.

[@CHAREDot9]

@@braydenjames8957 crystal shard

[@Cudcudcudcudcuscuski]

I think overwhelming stampede is underrated in green decks. I run it in my Omnath Locus of Mana elves deck and its typically wins if it resolves.

[@JustRightPinedo]

They actually gave Ow Stampede a shout in a recent video on cards to buy now b/c they're currently undercosted/likely to go up (hacing a C-hoof effect for $3 is very strong considering usually he wins you the game on resolution even without his 5 +x power body)

[@GabetheFrog_]

I love craterhoof so much! Hesitantly traded for one and I do not regret it. I don’t know if this is a haymaker but it feels like one: Chromatic Orrery is great in my Tazri party deck. If that card resolves Tazri goes off and I get a bunch of dudes. Great video, have a nice night.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Craterhoof is the big green finisher machine! Orrery can be decent but is an investment, I wouldn’t call it a haymaker, but if it sticks around it’ll put in a lot of work

[@Silvsilvsilvsilvsilvio]

I feel like you guys have been uploading more, thank you!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Four videos this week :P

[@JustRightPinedo]

Interesting to think how the game has evolved. I just removed insurrection from My Darreti deck, which ironically has won at least a couple games with Mindslaver (when the spell is "free" and recur-able GG); yet to see All is Dust in hand. Also, hmm I just bought an Akroma's memorial (It dropped to ~$11) for my mono-G elfball (Ezuri) and am thinking sure, psuedo-haymaker b/c vigilance means any of my big-mana-producing elves can now swing and pump my general for elvish overrun, but also helps with flying problems, protects my boys from a lot of things... this is getting long, thanks for another great video NN! Edit: I did not realize this video was posted a year ago, just showed up in my feed.

[@babies_eve]

Definitely enjoyed the video. Speaks a lot to the power level of your meta that some of the traps are considered not enough. That adds a lot of context to your content!

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

This is just a Jodah deck tech

[@Jackdawfool]

I have scooted platinum angel from the graveyard so many times and comboed off and won at negative life, for me in an extended game where alot of spot and mass removal has been exausted it has pulled out a win I was definitely going to lose so many times. Kenrith really loves reanimating this

[@elipetrou9308]

My favourite haymakers are probably Mr Jim gitaxias or finale of devastation

[@NitpickingNerds]

Ooo yes both good finishers, Jin doesn’t fit on this particular list but he is good nonetheless

[@redfally6030]

I had a game once where my friend had a worldspine wurm as his only card in his deck and he had a way to kill it every single turn. I had a mill deck and it was funny, because I just had no options left to draw him out.

[@bowboy]

This might be your best video! I get so much more understanding for what you mean with how cards are bad in other videos!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Thanks for the feedback

[@bacontator6855]

Yes, please make a tooth and nail combo video! Plus the comments on that video would probably add several more!

[@bettarecognize9451]

Buffalo boys! I thought I was just seeing archtype Magic players, but it turns out I've seen you guys at an LGS. Go Bills!

[@joshm8158]

Love your content! You guys are awesome. Any chance we can get a vid explaining CEDH? Maybe differences between regular EDH along with some comments on meta? Thanks again for the great work!

[@Booster779]

I was playing a Norin the Wary deck where this was my finisher. Someone tried to counter my Warp World so I flashed in Duelcaster Mage and made two copies of the Warp World. One opponent just scooped when he finished reading what Warp World does and realized that we would have to resolve two of them back to back.

[@royalmanatee6]

So many of my wincons in my Akroma, Vision of Ixador keywords deck were in the “kinda bad” section. But one I didn’t see that can win me a game if it stays out is Aurelia the Warleader. Extra combats and untaps and more buffs with any combat loving card is great!

[@itslexactually]

She is a haymaker for sure

[@comradelarry2558]

Void Winnower is great in Animar where it costs 0-3 most of the time. That said, I did take it out of that deck a while ago.

[@Vesdus]

Mizzix's Mastery should definitely be on this list.

[@aagloworks]

My pet peeve is Praetor's Counsel. It doesn't go into every green deck, but it sure gives card advantage in certain decks. I'd call it a game changer (not necessarily a haymaker by your definition, but for certain decks it is a maker of hay).

[@rixaxeno7167]

Hello from the future! This is a really on-theme card for the new Vorinclex // The Grand Evolution. I am making a deck for it at the moment and this seems like a great card for if they manage to deal with the stompy slot machine.

[@georgeakoury7915]

Thanks for the video, Nitpicking Nerds. This video was super informative.

[@NitpickingNerds]

We thought so too! One of my favorites of the new year so far

[@andreusemanuel4868]

I feel like the grave titan thing has become a meme at this point, not worth spending time being angry about this anymore. Good video

[@jukelones5118]

Kaervek the Merciless is such a great haymaker. The amount of damage it dishes certainly kills a player when times well

[@elipetrou9308]

For that effect, I prefer massacre worm but yeah

[@ericzettl1563]

a friend of mine plays kaervek in a obosh the preypiercer burn deck. if he manages to give him infect as well it is quite desvestating tbh. if it goes unanswered of course

[@RobotLVS]

Btw: Aminatou's Augury is insane. If you have a well built deck for it, you kinda just do whatever you want. Start packing in spells like Spelltwine and Mnemonic Deluge to double/quadruple up your Auguries. What's better than casting your top 8? Casting your top 16/32 🥵 Special shout out to Emergent Ultimatum. My favorite split is Expropriate, Aminatou's Augury, Mystical Tutor. If they shuffle in Tutor, you get Expro/Augury for free lmao. If they shuffle in either other spell, you put it on top your deck with Tutor and go nuts :)

[@stringdoll50]

Awesome, explain the term Haymaker already a good start of a video! thanks

[@evanelliott8231]

Finale of devastation for grave titan for the win. It’s my life goal to achieve this.

[@jameskelly2559]

Great video. Have to say I’ve won a fair few games using Felidar Sovereign with my Enchantments deck

[@TheOneAndOnlyCrawl]

Sheoldred isn't a haymaker. She is a questing. And the questing is are you willing to spend removal on it before someone else does. It's a game of chicken. Because if you are that player that has 5 1/1 tokens, you don't care about sacing a creature on your upkeep. So you don't answer it. The next guy has a 3 2/2s creatures. He's not too happy but he sacs one. next guy has just tapped out to play his commander, now has to sac it and isn't to happy but thinks to himself that if he kills it now, he only helped all of his opponents without gaining anything in return, so he doesn't eighter. And then that player ends his turn... And then the question pops up again: Are you willing to spend removal on it before someone else does. And if no one felt inclined to do something it goes to the Sheoldred players upkeep and everyone will look into his/her GY to see what will come out of there... It is a card that you play to force a reaction not to end the game. Also she doesn't costs 7 mana. She costs 4-5 at most, unless you build your deck wrong.

[@elipetrou9308]

Shouldn’t you just play something better so if they don’t answer it you win, and then still have another game ender. It’s the same thing but you’ll actually win if they don’t have interaction

[@BIGNEILCOUSINS]

My favourite haymaker is Grave Titan .

[@tonylunders2503]

Extremely underrated, but I've used it many times to win, overwhelming stampede. If you want even more overkill, do it with seige behemoth.

[@Facter-di3cm]

I have that same hoodie and it is so comfortable thank you for reminding me to look for it

[@golgariguy]

This could finally help me decide whether I want to run Rite of Replication or Blatant Thievery in Braids

[@EJsGameplay]

If you don't already have it in there and have access to one, Expropriate would actually really make sense there. I think they did mention Blatant Thievery recently in a vid but can't remember which one >.

[@golgariguy]

@@EJsGameplay Yes, Expropriate is great but it's kind of a budget, "friendly" decks, so I don't play Expropriate nor Rift there :)

[@EJsGameplay]

@@golgariguy That's fair then.

[@ChaseDoggs]

"You're spending more time saying 'basically' than what they do.." LOL

[@NitpickingNerds]

It’s my Mtg content pet peeve 😂

[@silasjude662]

My new favorite haymaker is the new Reshape the Earth. I play it in my Golos lands deck, it often gets crazy with scute swarm/moraug etc., and I happen to run maze's end because it's fun, so if I have 1 of my gates or maze's end, I get the rest and win when I untap.

[@ThimbleCrimble]

On the note of grave titan, I agree he's not up there, but he shines in my encore focused commander deck in where I make three tokens of him and they all swing and die, 12 zombies along with other boosts to zombie tokens (accidentally happened when making the deck zombie tribal 😅). But other than that no. It That Betrays is also way better when you can throw it out for free in Rakdos, doesn't cost too much when it's cheaper than a Filligree Familiar 😂😂

[@luketargett2233]

Another great video guys

[@toaster4598]

Emergent ultimatum is a 7 mana tooth and nail with mild restriction

[@NathanShepard]

I just won a very long game with massacre wurm. I was playing yarok, double the triggers, then with sword of heath and home blinked it, and blinked it again with Thassa at the end of my turn. Caused a shit ton of damage with -8/-8 and 2 damage per creature that died! So good.

[@TippettRugby]

great video, it was excellent perspective

[@NitpickingNerds]

Glad to hear it! I order the Baconator every time 😍

[@mikeknightofdawn]

Craterhoof is in many of the green-heavy cEDH decks.

[@rondecaro]

Hello and thank you for your videos. Fellow New Englander from MA.

[@jlateralus21]

One day, I'd like to see a livestream of gameplay where someone beats them with Grave Titan lol.

[@crawdaddy1234]

Two extra turns is an...e-turn-ity.

[@NitpickingNerds]

I like this more than I should!

[@Beansareamagicalfruit]

I play a lot of these in my Atla Palani deck lol! Pathbreaker Ibex is one of my favorite game enders, having Craterhoof enter usually ends up being a wiff with me since I can't always control when which creatures hit

[@dahuntre]

Primal Surge!! Notably, you can choose to stop at any time, so you can leave as many cards in your library as you want. It’s tricky because you have to leave out instant-speed interaction, besides a few flash creatures etc. I have yet to fire one off, but I WILL live to see the meme manifest!

[@Cudcudcudcudcuscuski]

One of my favorite late game Enders is Immolating Gyre in my kalamax deck. Basically a 6 mana in garruks wake.

[@fatjonah]

Jack Eichel was my first pick in this year's hockey pool. I hope he does the Buffalo Sabres well!

[@prashrad2382]

If you guys want lists of combos, look at commander spellbook online. It has a full database of combos

[@NitpickingNerds]

Oh that’s sweet! You should comment with the link for everyone. 😊

[@BrimstoneMwG]

I was ammused to hear you guys talk about Felidar Sovereign because I play a life gain deck that can consistantly get 2-3 hundred life early and I have only won with this card once, and it required me to have Vedalken Orrery out. If you are not running a combo deck with infinate life, it is crazy how quicky this card turns you into an arch enemy, just for it to be removed right before your upkeep anyways.

[@nikolamatasin3877]

Played Sultai deck in Commander Legends Draft, with 3 other friends (Archelos being my first pick, thought it would be great as a color enabler, more than anything else, and it stayed my commander, dunno what was the 2nd card I've picked). After first 2 picks a friend passed me an Apex Devastator, and it was my 2nd round pick (3rd overall), huge chunk of my deck being around ramping into it. It took a while to cast it and... I got 3 mana rocks and a Counter (the one with Cascade of it). Sheer terror of it resolving and me getting to cast 4 cards for free was well worth it, as well as laughter when I've got nothing from it. In hind sight, I should've probably countered one of the Mana rocks, to Cascade into 3rd mana rock, since Counter was my 3rd card, and get something better from Apex Devastator's Cascade. But I've still won the game. lol I love the card, and Chaos, but I'm well aware it's pure jank.

[@neillaw]

24:05 I won the last game I played with Felidar Sovereign, just need to flash it in and it leaves the table gobsmacked lol

[@WiiTara]

The Great Aurora is a super nice spell in my Titania Deck. Having already 10+ Lands on Board makes it super easy to get out ahead :D

[@tylerisdrawing9913]

You forgot the greatest and best Titan haymaker ever printed.. Grave Titan.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Oh, we listed it... under traps 😂

[@MrMrhi]

Jhoira of the Ghitu is a Haymaker deck, and I love it.

[@2LPfan]

Insurrection in my etali deck is responsible for 75 percent of my wins to this day. It won 2 games this morning before I left for work.

[@NoobN00b]

Blightsteel is killing someone once it comes down. Definitely not a trap. Key to the city or another card with the same effect and that's just death for someone.

[@maybeisuckatlife]

I play grave titan in Araumi and it feels pretty decent

[@CrownTheGame]

Now, there is a commander I'd play Grave titan in. It's Henzie Toolbox Torre. Even if you cast henzie once, he turns Grave titan into a "Pay 5 mana, get a 6/6 with haste, 4 2/2 zombies and you draw a card." Doesn't make it a good card but it's a fringe case where I think it's playable

[@sharkmanyt4431]

Protean hulk and bolas’s citadel are major cedh cards. Tooth and nail is sometimes a cedh card

[@CmdrUD87]

I blightsteel's defense, I play it in one deck where it somehwat symsergizes (Breya) and it's my post- haymaker, i.e. we've been sitting here for 2 hours, top- decking, exiled or completely neutralized all our game plans etc. With this thing, if they don't find an answer, you can close out the game in 6 turns at te latest, but, more realistically, 2 turns, since only 1 other player is left

[@josephandrees5381]

Drink every time Joe says "crippling"

[@TheSLATEcleaner]

My favorite haymaker is Synthetic Destiny. It's a bit like Craterhoof, but as a six mana instant with a bit of randomness.

[@thrillhouse4151]

Return of the Wildspeaker + Worldspine Wurm is fun! It’s definitely more of a piece of a pie than a whole pie.

[@JustRightPinedo]

Haymaker count by color from this list (given they may not be naming some): Blue: 3+ black: 3+ Red: 2+ Green: lost count Colorless: 2 + Eldrazi White: 1

[@TheeGreenDino]

As someone who plays Void Winnower in an eldrazi -Animar deck, it does a lot of work when on the board

[@joeldykman7591]

Ive found that card to either do a lot of hosing or just dies doing nothing. ITs up there with Iona as a boogeyman certain decks kinda forget to have a contingency plan against.

[@Jeunster]

Funny video guys! Playing Primal Surge, Elvish Visionary won’t kill you, you can stop it’s effect any moment cause it says may for using the ability again.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Thank you! You’re right that you can stop it, but it might be best to always make sure your whole deck comes out, for those rare scenarios where your big payoffs are towards the bottom. Visionary isn’t as scary, but some mandatory “whenever a creature enters draw a card” would be real bad for you 😂

[@hiddenleaf414]

I use Tooth and Nail in my Temur deck just as a way to get the 2 best creatures I need in that situation. 9 out of 10 times that normally wins me the game with variants of Xenagos, Pathbreaker Ibex, Hydra Omnivore or Scourge of the Throne.

[@twl232]

Mentions Living Death/Rise of the Dark Realms Eerie Ultimatum - "Am I a joke to you?" Mentions Ruinous Ultimatum moments later. E.U. - "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!?!" I've had the table scoop after playing Eerie Ultimatum, but I would say my meta is around the 'slightly better than pre-con" category. Like some of your other mentioned haymakers, E.U. requires the right deck.

[@RedCometNurse]

I did an infinite combo with Expropriate, God-Eternal Kefnet, and Scroll Rack the other night. It was so good.

[@jeffnorris211]

Ewww. That’s a snap scoop right there with any extra turn spell lol

[@OmegaMTG]

I'm partial to mnemonic deluge. Always different and fun with game ending potential but not guaranteed.

[@hydra1259]

To note in my Athreos Shroud Veiled Felidar Sovereign is quite good since suddenly people need to kill it twice for it to actually die.

[@BIGFRANKOL75]

29:00 you need to keep Going!! 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11! You just talked about Haymarker and many of them were odd mana cost. That means this needs to be answered or you can't play your win cons.

[@L3onScuro]

Grave titan with the knew mecanic in commander legends and the commander that ends turn is so badass

[@morgoth2425]

you mean encore?

[@L3onScuro]

@@morgoth2425 exactly. Thanks

[@L3onScuro]

@@morgoth2425 i mean you have 3 grave titans + 12 2/2 zombies + what u had on board on 1 turn

[@L3onScuro]

@@morgoth2425 The commander is Obeka

[@SuitSeven7]

This video showed every card almost in my golos deck lol

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

Hey guys, I have a question.... U constantly talk about Ur playgroup experiences, which is Cool because everyone can feel U talk with confidence when giving the people MTG advice... With that in mind, Are U guys gonna post gameplay videos in the future?, just asking, it would be fun... Thanks for the great content

[@NitpickingNerds]

Yes, we 1000% plan on doing game play in the future. It is a matter of planning it out and doing it when we are able.

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

@@NitpickingNerds Awesome, definately looking forward to it

[@NitpickingNerds]

@@JaimeAGB-pt4xl we will actually be doing a Kickstarter sometime this year.

[@the_names_rob]

You guys should do a guide to Sagas or which sagas are worth it once you all get a chance to play with the ones in Kaldheim

[@doktarr]

Some cards become haymakers because of the rest of your deck. In my Maze's End deck, Reshape the Earth is a haymaker.

[@itslexactually]

It’s a win condition, not a haymaker.

[@RealCraftspirit]

I remember a game where I did cast Apex devastator in my chaos deck and jesus christ, my turn went about 20 minutes long where I took extra turns, cascaded with other creatures on top of it and did a bajillion damage to everyone. Was fun

[@Theneonwind]

I enjoyed this video, but I don't agree with everything. Gisela is a beast of a card that often wins games the second she hits the field. Her effect is immediate when she comes into play. She is easy to cheat in via Kaalia. It really depends on how you use her in your build. As easy as the artifact creatures are to remove, they are also in many decks that cheat them in (Saheeli). Artifacts in general hit the board much faster and have easy ways to return to play from the graveyard. Nyxborn ancient is both a Creature AND an enchantment. To provide an advantage likely takes until your next turn. You could argue either way. I enjoy hearing their arguments though. Great video!

[@Caelus]

bolas's citadel and sensei's top in an alela deck. *chefs kiss*

[@supernoodles908]

aetherflux reservoir makes bolas very fun 😌

[@xaer0knight]

Shield wall is what avacyn and darksteel forge are. That would be a good video, best defense

[@tastyrick]

Holy cow! You guys are from Buffalo? Go Bills!

[@bettarecognize9451]

Listening from Amherst myself.

[@thomascollins5622]

Triumph of the Hordes is my favorite haymaker in my Lathril deck

[@Jeunster]

Another reaction, this time about Apex devastator. If it isn’t a haymaker or four, you at least had the most fun you can have for 10 CMC... like this time I flipped a Mana Reflection and Zendikar Resurgent and two other leviathan like thingies and all my opponent could do was River’s rebuke so I could have the longest next turn ever unwrapping 4 more presents. So while not winning on the spot it is my favorite card from Commander legends by far!

[@baconsir1159]

Akroma’s Memorial feels great in my Kozilek deck

[@Skel_cat63]

Apparently It that betrays is only playable if its 8 mana for an 11/11 with annihalator 2, and the ability text. You guys would make amazing game designers lmao (no shade, just found that funny)

[@joeldykman7591]

craterhoof is unique in that while all these haymakers are situationally great in certain decks, you actively have to build a green deck where craterhoof wouldn't be good. Its etb is so good that you dont have to choose between going tall or wide, its just that good.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

True, unless youre playing like ubg hyper combo if your deck has green, even in cedh, craterhoof wins

[@ice9ify]

I got the blightsteel colossus in my infect reanimator deck, but not as a haymaker, but as a decoy target, lol. I am not sure if that is really smart, but I got 2 good games out of it.

[@Leonidous]

I know this isn't the place to go on about exceptions, but I have a Tishana deck that sits at like a ~9.5 and it runs Akroma's Memorial, tho it runs every possible hast enabler it can (except crashing drawbridge, because ew) and it's surprisingly not the worst option in the deck, lol. XD

[@kalonin5451]

Omniscience is fun to hit with Shelldock Isle.

[@mrrbb2028]

Emergent Ultimatum and Triumph of the Hordes should be in there. They are such good cards to end games.

[@timothy2c]

Try casting Felidar Sovereign at instant speed with a Leyline of Anticipation effect.

[@meinwerker5]

What are good ways in mono green to gain haste for your whole boardstate? (Tribal elves)

[@CaptTelnet]

I have a deck a definitely should not be running avcyn in, but I love playing her.

[@NitpickingNerds]

You should play it if you like it.

[@dreweagx]

my fav is comet storm

[@NitpickingNerds]

That’s a good one!

[@RobotLVS]

Yeah, in my experience Time Stretch has been very bad. In practice the decks that can abuse it the most basically make it just one true extra turn: You get the turn you spent casting this back, and then a real extra. Play Time Warp instead. You can still do things after spending 5 mana, and the extra turn is just as good. Expropriate is not only cheaper, but the upside is generally much higher.

[@calebpermenter4044]

In my jodah, I have zacama and tidesprout for infinite mana, it's great