No-fault divorce makes marriage promises 'worthless'

[@barnabybones2393]

Too many women today are getting married long enough to have two kids then conveniently becoming so 'unhappy' they want someone else to pay for their unhappiness. The husband financially, the children emotionally.

[@francikeen]

You are lying. Men are liars. *After divorce, women's standard of living decreases significantly, while men's standard of living increases.*

[@yazx2434]

this is insane....people should not be forced to stay with a person they don't want to. That is super messed up and goes against autonomy. The amount of abuse that went unpunished and left women (and men) trapped in an abusive relationship with no recourse. This expands their rights. Yeah sure, some people might just say "well get to know them better first" but a lot of religions push marriage at a young age and many get married before they are even fully mature and have no idea what they do or don't want. Prime example, my parents married after 2 years in their early 20's as they aged, they really started to hate each other. their marriage is shit, i grew up in a shit household watching my parents fight, getting slapped around by depressed, stressed out, and angry parents. They constantly tried to turn us on the other parent and made my life a living hell. I grew up terribly depressed and suffered from mental illness and abandonment issues. Forcing people to stay married is honestly stupid. IF you are worried about your spouse having the freedom to leave, you are either rushing into marriage with the wrong person, or you are very controlling and insecure.

[@MetalCooking666]

I think the point you are missing here is that this is about *no fault* divorce, not divorce in general. No one in this video is suggesting that you should be forced to remain married to an abusive spouse. That would already have been covered by a fault-based divorce system. The issue is whether people should be allowed to get a divorce when their spouse has done absolutely nothing wrong. I would not want to force someone to remain married to me against their will when I had done nothing wrong. I would, however, feel devastated, betrayed and angry with them. If they couldn’t commit to me for the rest of their life because there was the possibility that their feelings may change down the line then they shouldn’t have made that promise to me. As for worrying about your spouse leaving you making you “insecure”, well yeah, of course it does. If I have to bear in mind that my partner may do a 180 one day and lose interest even though I did nothing wrong, how could I *ever* feel secure?

[@tboog8356]

Also people shouldn’t be rewarded for breaking a contract

[@devin3607]

You are forfietting your "autonomy to leave" when you swear "til death do us part" whats so confusing about that?

[@Tony-Tequalla]

This will only work from one side. Women initiate 65-85% of divorce proceedings. What they get in return, the children, the family home, child support and maintenance payments.

[@yazx2434]

and what do they sacrifice for you and your family when they get married? Their goals, aspirations, freedom, time, working life-span, income, and independence. Sounds pretty fucking fair to me. Most women are expected (and many are willing) to completely sacrifice what they want in life to have a family with the man they love. This elevates him, gives him more freedom, pride, someone who loves and supports him, and tends to his needs more than any other person on the planet. If you think women are evil, don't get married.

[@1OnlyGot7]

@@yazx2434 “Gives him more freedom” and not having to work isn’t 😂 women AND men both put work into marriages and to assume the men do nothing is dishonest at best. Imagine thinking a man breaking his back to support his family and losing in divorce is fair lmao

[@waiwai5233]

​​@@yazx2434women are 'evil' from the sense they are more than willing to enter into a marriage with men they care little about only to also drive a divorce for the lucrative financial promises they believe is they their only way to legally take men's resources. In short most modern women are natural hustlers. The stats don't lie.

[@eloiinvestigates]

It's not just about marriage promises. It is also a wealth transfer act, enriching f, and destroying the wealth of m. As things continue, w will end up owning everything. They already probably own 80-90% of all assets rn.

[@MetalCooking666]

I thought the point of no fault divorce was that *one* partner could choose to divorce unilaterally and the other partner had no choice in the matter? In which case, why is it being framed here as a joint decision between two consenting adults?

[@swebilbo]

Why force someone to stay with someone they dont want anymore?

[@MetalCooking666]

@@swebilbo because they promised not to leave them?

[@simonbagel]

In US, it varies from state to state but the original no-fault divorce laws started in California and it was in theory to be by mutual consent but in reality it is unilateral. Mutual consent is probably the selling point that people make to push through no-fault divorce laws.

[@MetalCooking666]

@@simonbagel I’m not sure what got lost in translation then. Limiting no-fault divorce to situations where both partners consent doesn’t seem difficult or complicated. Not sure what the issue is

[@wheezerdoc]

Couples shouldn’t get married if they aren’t sure! No fault divorce makes marriage a joke

[@marciamcgrail5889]

There should be more robust school and home based relationship education as an on-going opportunity to guide a wise and temperate human skill, which should include mandatory pre-marriage counselling. Too many unmatched people get married for the wrong reasons in the first place..

[@hendraprasetya2999]

just dont get marriage thats it

[@GemmaHentsch]

The reason for the massive increase in divorce during the 70s was because people were fleeing bad marriages they’d been trapped in. This will not stop divorces, people do not divorce on a whim, all this will mean is that civil divorces will stop being so paternalistic and patronising.

[@eloiinvestigates]

It's also about money. Child support, alimony, maintenance bills, the family house, etc. All of these are costs that m must bear, which enriches w. Making w wealthier than m over time. W are now very asset rich. Most of this has been derived through fraud of various kinds - fake job, divorce, etc.

[@GemmaHentsch]

@@eloiinvestigates sounds very MRA/incel logic to me.

[@yazx2434]

@@eloiinvestigates you really have no idea how stupid that sounds. people don't just decide to get married so they can take your shit. Maybe if you are like a Hollywood star, but get real like 99.9% of people this law effects, is not them. Being married is a pretty big commitment, whether you can leave or not. Maybe instead of looking at it so negatively why don't you think "hey she could leave at any moment if she wanted to, but shes happy and loves me enough that she doesn't want to or need to." Instead of "if she gets unhappy with my behavior, or decides shes not in love anymore, she can leave... and i don't like that"

[@Boundlessness]

@@GemmaHentschagree. Any man who supports trapping people through removing no fault, (which they don’t realize would include themselves,) in a marriage is a red flag a mile away.

[@waiwai5233]

​​@@GemmaHentschWell 70 to 80 % divorces all initated by women due to things related to money, boredom and the 'grass is greener syndrome'. The net effect is that women are both the main initator of marriages and divorces, men are now wising up to female nature and no longer willing to place themselves in this oppressive situation.