No heat call on New Trane Furnace installer error FAIL !!

[@MrHVAC503]

I must say you are a great Service Technician, as well as a good person. I’m only a 3rd year apprentice but I’m learning a lot from your work. Keep up the great service call videos

[@RealityRenovations]

I could be the perfect installer for $500 per day lol. I always say, no installer or service tech is perfect. What really matters is how the company handles its mistakes. Nice job making it right!

[@Lilmiket1000]

mistakes should be handled free in 90% of cases.

[@kylewells6871]

You wouldn't have these dumbass mistakes if you paid me $500 a day. I'm telling my boss thats what he needs to pay me lol. I do all his installs and I only make $600 a week, b4 taxes :(

[@rockydennis8926]

That makes you just as dumb for making chicken shit wages

[@franciscorodriguez2824]

I have been learning more and getting ideas from your videos. Thank you for the information.

[@TedCookHVAC]

Thank You for the support !! I really appreciate it.

[@timwaddell9450]

Funny you mentioned the condensation issue to the switch. I am not in the trade and just a diyer, but 10 years ago a place we were renting had the furnace stop working. Tech center out and said it needed replaced, left us in the cold. Fortunately for me, I work on multi-million dollar machines, and as long as I have a schematic. And my fluke, I'm good to go. Took less than 10 minutes to find that switch not working, pull the hose and it was full of condensation. Blew it out with 10psi of air, cleared out the switch and it fired up and ran. Saved the landlord a ton of money, but oddly enough, he's was a jerk the entire time we lived there. I should have filled that hose back up when I left, but I'm not that mean.

[@TedCookHVAC]

LOL I hear ya... Thanks for watching !!

[@adamrspears1981]

2 inch pipe & a couple of elbows stops a trane!

[@Sbc-rp9fc]

I work for a heating and air company in North and it's like watching myself go on these calls. We Deal mostly in rheems and goodman installs. I like what you and I've learned some too from you

[@ackbrett12]

Read through the manual again. The upper pressure switch off to the left is supposed to be rotated 90 degrees so the hose connection points up when the furnace is horizontal.

[@rpsmith]

Good catch!

[@Heavy_metal_rulez]

$500 a day?!! I can't remember the last time I made that much in one day just doing installs. Excellent video Ted

[@XJlover90]

We're worth more now The hvac and plumber field is short on people these days.

[@DavidMay2nd]

Ya man. Im at 800 to 1000$ per day now. South of Boston in Massachusetts

[@davefrattaroli5804]

Nice job using the offset reducer on the vent although I would rather see it on the vertical. I see guys (including the guys that work for me) installing an on-center reducer on horizontal runs all the time which obviously is a no no. Add birdscreens to the ends of the pipes next time. Great content, keep up the good work.

[@rickbraden4272]

In Michigan I was taught code was to use purple primer on all pvc exhaust connections. I didn't see any purple primer on any joints. Good video.

[@tomh6779]

Yes, inspector will knock your job down in Michigan. I’m just North of Ann Arbor. How bout you?

[@jmrhvac4542]

Hey Ted nice fix on they should of cought that exspecialy on a 100000 btu but sometimes you miss them little things thanks for the videos

[@throttlebottle5906]

I just lover undersized piping with integrated traps, installer either needs a good level or maybe a slap on the head to adjust crooked eyeballs?

[@TheWoodman064]

I greatly enjoy watching you!

[@honesthvacguy325]

Great video! We install the American standard version of this furnace. I really like the square hoses too. I would definitely be suspicious of so many elbows on a 100k

[@sergiodjf]

You can’t beat physics! Lol, too much pressure drop caused by the previous piping:) . It’s great that you use these videos for quality control.

[@mikepan3449]

Hi Ted, i really enjoyed watching your videos, it’s been very helpful. I have the same furnace in the exact same orientation. and when it fires up, I hear water sloshing sound (gargling), about once every 3-4 seconds, and there is water coming out of the trap - each time it gargles, it shoots out about a shot glass of water. My local Trane technician says nothing wrong 😑, and all the hoses seems clean no blockage. Could you please provide some advice on where to look for? I think the inducer is breaking the water seal in the trap every time it gargles. Thank you so much.

[@ernestrhoades5147]

A very honorable man a rare commodity in this day and age ! well done and god bless!

[@TedCookHVAC]

Ernest Rhoades thank you sir !! Same to you and your’s !!

[@jcbecker2800]

I think 80k btu Trane furnaces can run on 2" for some distance with limited elbows and equivalent length of something I can't recall right this second. I know that after 80k, it must be more than that. They used to specify 2.5" pipe, but no one ever stocked that size or heard of that size around here, so it's 3 inch.

[@throttlebottle5906]

that coupling outside, I'd assume had a rodent screen in it at one time or maybe an elbow with one, not cemented in

[@twiz8789]

Yea needs 45s, each elbow is like adding an additional 10 feet of pipe. I don't use 90s on high-efficiency vents unless I absolutely have to. Probably all they had in the truck was 90s lol. You are absolutely correct on that Trane not liking that 2 inch and everything else you said about the vent. Totally agree. That is a super long run wow

[@ironballsmcginty1009]

You lose 5' for every 90. On a 100,000 btu furnace you must increase to 3"

[@clarksafg]

Inspector always make me do a 2 pipe system when in a crawl..good video and good catch..

[@christopherwalker8327]

i do 1 pipe, i find too much crap getting in burner box

[@philllsxga.7737]

I liked using the trane bayvent Kit's when venting a 90. Very clean look. Pipes sticking out of the side of a house looks terrible!!!

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

The installers put a coupling just like that on the end of our 95% furnace's exhaust. My thoughts are that it gives a cleaner appearance than a potentially imperfect cut, also eliminates any sharp ends. Our furnace's intake is a 90' elbow pointing down on the other hand.

[@ChrisHVAC]

I'm not perfect and I made the same mistake many years ago myself! We call that the school of hard knocks here.

[@hrdworkin7633]

Great info and videos. Question: If you have the room do you recommend the use of 45's to minimize the static pressure inside the pipe? Just a thought Thanks again

[@TedCookHVAC]

Only if we are marginal on the required flow.

[@bentrujillo6406]

I like that philosophy of yours, it may not be the problem but you know what you gotta do. Do it right the first time. A little extra effort goes a long way.

[@FXDLS-ot1wq]

Lol - contact Ted for a free interview and he will buy you dinner.. in other words, he’ll take you to Hardee’s. Love these vids, been bing watching while my business is slow.

[@gregmencer8327]

The offer has me intrigued. I understand that it was meant in jest but on a more serious note, what is the going rate for a high quality tech and installer in your area? Been enjoying your vids. Keep them coming... -Trane service tech and installer from NY.

[@Farm_fab]

How would 45° elbows work, would there be any benefit to these as opposed to 90°?

[@marvinsellers4457]

Mr Ted can you use 45 to keep from using 90 for better flow ?

[@christopherwalker8327]

i haven't seen one good duct system on any of your videos, flex masters

[@Mahigeer1]

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." No one is perfect and some are better in their work than others. Important issue is to leave the customer with the best job that you can. And keep learning. |A wise friend said to me once..."the biggest room in the world is the room for improvement". I tend to agree with him.

[@manuelponce3715]

Great Video, don’t worry about the “Super Techs” they’ll fall off a ladder or scaffold soon enough I guarantee it. I’ll be there laughing My ass off.

[@lee-johnson]

I’m not perfect, but I would rather see 45 deg fittings used. Much less turbulence. That was a long run of pipe either way.

[@bentrujillo6406]

I agree with the 45 on a run that long. 45's on pretty much everything but sometimes it isn't space efficient.

[@patbhvac1]

That's what I was thinking. Why not use 45's?

[@themaxee08]

A D it has to do with flow through a pipe

[@RT-vo2vh]

Yeah i was thinking like an engine exhaust .... the flow is affected by abrupt turns... but im clueless on furnace engineering... and most other things 😜

[@christopherwalker8327]

@A D you eliminate 1 90 elbow 45 is half the equivalent of a 90

[@ezekiellackey3439]

Man, I know I’m not the perfect installer. Don’t know if I’ll ever be. But I’d love to move down there and work for you Ted.

[@user-ih3dr4ov5h]

Could it have worked when you tested it because the cover was off making it easier to take in air therefore less resistance?

[@petershulick5270]

Fiesta perfect install our checks with the technicians how things should be done right the first time! But sorry I'm not moving to North Carolina from Houston

[@curtwuollet2912]

I'm amazed after watching these (not only yours) hvac videos at how little attention is paid to adequate ducting. Especially with all the flex that has somewhat high restriction anyways. It seems to be the rule rather than the exception to undersize. Some of those must have temp rise that's pretty high. We have basements here, so much more metal duct.

[@billrich8256]

Heard you perfectly great video

[@adamrspears1981]

Here is a suggestion: Who ever contracts the job, have them take pics &/or video of the existing gas furnace, & of the work space. Show the pics/video to the installer(s) before they get materials/supplies/equipment. Instruct them that they will need specific amounts of such & such (3 inch 45s & 3 inch pipe, for example). Give them a check list to make sure they don't forget anything before they arrive on the job site. Give them a 2nd check list to be marked off during the install, to make sure EVERYTHING was converted properly to the horizontal install (for example, pressure switch was rotated, etc...) Have them bring that check list back to the office after the job is done. & file it with the rest of the customer's paperwork. This might help reduce the chances of warranty call backs on installs.

[@adamrspears1981]

@Ryan Carlen Some installers are inexperienced &/or too lazy to read the install manual. But as a HVAC/R install guy, I can testify that sometimes we never see the install manual. Because the equipment that we are told we'll be installing that day, is staged in the boss's shop. & sometimes the install manual is missing. I have personally ran into this. I contacted my boss to let him know it was not with the air handler unit. He told me that he already took it & put it in the customer's file so that he can get his re-bate from the manufacturer. I asked if I could take the install manual to the job site. His reply was snarky. He told me that he is not paying me to depend on the install manual & that I should know how to install an air handler (which I do, its just that I like to have the install manual on site, so that I make sure I am giving the customer the highest quality install.) & on top of that, we typically have never been on the job site until we are sent out there to do the install. So without any way of knowing what specific supplies the job is going to entail, we are forced to use what we have on our trucks. Lastly, our boss will want it done quickly & doesn't allot extra time for us to make exta trips to the supply house during the job. A lot of boss's under bid jobs as it is, just to contract work. So bosses want it done quickly. IF the boss is anything like the bosses I have worked for, then its NOT the installers' fault. Its bad communication, management & bidding by the owner/boss. But its ALWAYS so convienient to just blame the installer/tech! So sick of it, its not even funny...smh

[@TheMelaniebarber1]

What causes the ducting to pop when the furnace is on. Around all my heat vents around the house when the furnace runs it pops every few seconds. Drives me nuts. Wakes me up. And it will do it for a couple of minutes after the furnace stops. It must be expanding or something. Never had this in any other home we have owned. Is there a way to stop this?

[@TheWoodman064]

I am back! I am your average installer who makes mistakes but is willing to admit to it and learn! I make enough to keep me, my wife and grandchildren happy!

[@jpp9876]

Ted, wouldn't the perfect salesman spec out the change on the pipe size and include it on the bid? I agree a good installer should have caught that. A lot of people have prior experience working for hacks and will think it's good enough.

[@Akvan79]

Lmao ted I’m not the perfect installer but that offer sure is tempting 👍 good video btw

[@TedCookHVAC]

Thanks !!

[@MFitz717]

What are your thoughts on the s series? When I was doing residential the company I was at installed quite a few, I really liked them overall.

[@TedCookHVAC]

I really like the S furnaces a lot so far.

[@rigakit]

Great video , GREAT ending ,

[@howardharaway2259]

I remember about 5 years ago PAYNE had a run on 90% furnaces that had constant problems with vacuum switches which end up not being the vacuum switch. There was finally a service bulletin that said you had to drill out the tits that the vacuum hose was connected to. And if I'm not mistaken The O ring on the back of the inducer motor housing , or the griplits would beak seal and leak . Crazy !

[@timb6879]

On an icp we had a vent ran in the wrong size and cause limit fault codes on occasion

[@Chevroldsmobuiac]

I recently had a unit installed by a local company, and got interested in HVAC installs and found your channel. I'm curious to know if these units with PVC flues are 95% furnaces? I assume they are, but it seems strange to me that all of this type are installed so far away from the crawlspace wall, creating the need for these long flue runs. I assume to be a 95% unit, the unit has to be installed near the middle of the structure due to supply and return length restrictions?

[@TedCookHVAC]

Some are 92% and some are 96%... most will tolerate 40 to 50 foot flue pipes.

[@justin0957]

Ted I'm perfect!! The furnace's I install here in South Florida have never had a problem ever.

[@TedCookHVAC]

Probably not one issue EVER with a furnace in Florida !!

[@HeroCaleb]

@@TedCookHVAC I went behind another company (not mentioning any names here) and saw they installed a furnace on its backside in an attic, the family's hamster died because of that. yes, this is in Florida. HeroCaleb.com

[@deathrowak6702]

Possibly air handlers?

[@ironballsmcginty1009]

You should always use long radius 90s

[@yagonczak]

looks like after you corrected the piping it goes downhill after you went over the truss.The pipe should be pitched the whole way so you don't create a valley and start to retain water.

[@Robnord1]

Now that I'm semi-retired, I *have * done a few absolutely perfect installs. Each took two entire work days with only 7 hours billable time.

[@nickkirby8730]

Need to rotate that top pressure switch 90 degrees. Looks good though

[@cantor7723]

Don't birds build nests in those open pipes? We have problems with that here, especially in mid-late spring when heat isn't being used much.

[@nickmckinney2335]

Wow started watching you yesterday didn’t you was right up the road im in Spartanburg

[@trumpingtonfanhurst694]

So, how many tools have you left in attics and crawlspaces over the years? I once sealed a tool belt in a duct. It was such a huge pain putting the duct together I left it there. It had a hammer, screw/nut drivers and 2 channellocks in it. That was 20 years ago and I still laugh when I drive past from time to time and see the duct on the roof of the building

[@russellhancock9765]

Unfortunately I spend most of My time in a Recliner watching Your videos these days. I did something like 25 years of factory work until both of My hip joints had to be replaced. I can walk with a Walker pretty good now, but I will probably never work again.

[@TedCookHVAC]

Sorry to hear that... but thank you very much for watching !!

[@jonathanraul4086]

Ty nice video

[@bahopik]

That's a cool reducer, never seen one of those. Is that a trane specific part? Where I live, we use dwv reducers, you just have to use it on vertical rise, but having basements helps with room for a vertical rise. Paying your installers per job is where some of those problems might be coming from. Takes guts to show your own mistakes, props up on that

[@TedCookHVAC]

Yes the flat reducer comes inside the Trane furnaces that are applicable to horizontal configurations.

[@LeftsnRights88]

Wouldn't it help to use 45 degree elbows instead of 90's? Less restrictive. I agree to increase the 2" pvc to 3".

[@TheWoodman064]

You are awsome!

[@jamestoy426]

Do you not cover the opening on the pope to keep the birds out? Nice video thank you

[@jumpinjojo]

James Toy Never cover up the Pope!

[@michaelhaiden6718]

I live in NC thinking about taking you up on your offer 500 a sat sounds about right for 8 he days

[@whitesheatingairappliancer7101]

I put stainless screens in the ends to prevent birds nesting and blocking pipe. I do this on all my installs. I had to do this on a high efficiency boiler for my laundry mat. It came in a kit from Grainger. Do you guys do anything like this? I appreciate any information. Thank you Ron white

[@TedCookHVAC]

I never have for 28 years no. The only time it is risky is when the install is in summer and the pipe is new.... after the furnace has burned for a winter, nothing wants to live in the pipe.

[@isomgmsghs]

Here in indiana, screens in Winter will turn into a solid ball of ice. no good here except when furnace is not in use

[@acman0926]

I only do it after I remove a nest. It's always on older ones in my opinion. It has to be rat wire, screen will freeze over.

[@davidpetersen4290]

I would have to read the manual but you can run 2" a certain footage but if it is RAN in 3" you are correct to change it as close to the furnace as possible

[@royamberg9177]

The installation book has info on sizing. What does it say. Water in the pipe will move back and forth and trip the pressure switch

[@erikcable1755]

it say do not transition from 2" to 3" in the horizontal...only in the vertical

[@royamberg9177]

@@erikcable1755 correct

[@carmangary]

Why not use 45deg elbows?

[@rocker8692]

Do squirrels ever get in the pipe?

[@MrDmadness]

Pipe is sloped wrong into the buildi g envelope, it should all slope back to the unit. This will freeze up In the winter if it gets cold enough. Will also ice In the line due to the straight termination. Should be a 45 pointed down, a 90 is even worse for ice formation. Its -27c outside today where I'm living. Already had a call due to an ice up on an exhaust today.

[@TheBushey]

On Lennox units the paperwork tells us not to put the 2

[@TheBushey]

Also on our Lennox units about that size it tells us only 14 feet of 2 inch with 1 90 on it

[@christopherwalker8327]

you pay 62.50 per hour in SC?

[@michaelodonnell7483]

Why all the short radius 90s? Long radius 90s and 45s would have been better. Also....why no intake?

[@TedCookHVAC]

It is not a confined space so piping the intake would be silly... the intake pipe would also slow the flow through the heat exchanger which you are concerned is poor because of the fittings etc.... so in one way you suggest more flow, and then also you suggest slowing it back down ??

[@adamrspears1981]

Next morning, someone got publically shamed & lost any shot at ever getting promoted at a mandatory company meeting.

[@5822huron]

Not at all.

[@NicoTNV]

First thing I did notice was the flue was higher in the furnace

[@jshady4873]

I worked with a tech that drilled a hole in a 2" 90 to drain water out of it and not redo the vent. Thank God he is not in the trade anymore

[@TedCookHVAC]

Hack !!

[@kenthomas4668]

actually you can run them down and back up creating a trap as long as you drill hole and add drain tube and loop it to create a trap in hose. I seen it in the installation instructions too late on a job once!

[@acman0926]

You could have gone into the CDA and brought up the last system fault. That would have been a starting point. I know the flue needed fixed but it could have been another fault as well

[@smborum]

$500/day? How many installs per day is that?

[@guydambrosio6128]

The problem is not the size of pipe. But the slop of the run.. I'm the perfect installer..I'm in Canada.. rate is $1000 per day..

[@dansmith7174]

Guy Dambrosio I would likely have to agree with you the tran S9V2B model furnace shown in this video if my memory serves me correct 100,000 BTU furnace can run 65 feet maybe 55 feet of 2 inch venting Have to add the fittings to your equivalent feet. And have to be long sweep elbows. I’ve had this exact same problem runs fine on low fire too much restriction on high fire due to water pooling in the pipe. Nevertheless poor insulation.

[@guydambrosio6128]

@@dansmith7174 rule of thumb is 1/4 per foot run

[@clayton8465]

Guy Dambrosio not a rule of thumb. It’s in the install instructions.

[@georgesimpson3113]

rate is fine, but spelling class is $600 per day.

[@AA-bs3iy]

That's a lot of bullshit, no such thing as the perfect installer or perfect tech, we all make mistakes. People like you who claim they don't are usually the biggest hacks in the industry. The Really good techs and installers (who are still not perfect) don't go around bragging about how great they are non stop because they don't need too.

[@Trevor-zt6fx]

I thought trane s9v can run over 100’ of 2”?

[@TedTedness-wu4vb]

That exhaust should have been stepped up to 3 inch right after the NEEDED 7 inch longer 2inch straight pipe coming from the unit. The 2) 90 deg 2 inchers should be 3 inch 45s the going out as a 3 inch to the outside.

[@bronco1fan]

Change the factory 45 and go out sidewall. 2-45's elbows, no 90's.

[@sbukosky]

Could have replaced the two short radius 90's with two long radius 45's. That and making sure of the pitch and sag of the pipe probably would have been adequate. Looked much less than the 1/4" per foot required. When it can't be pitched, then tees and traps can be used to capture the condensate. it's in the install manual. I know YOU know this. I'm saying it more for the guys out there who are learning.

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

100k BTU furnace is automatically 3 inch and 2 inch going through the wall. What were those installers thinking?

[@TedCookHVAC]

Wingnut289 sorry but you’re incorrect.. this is the new S9V2 furnace... I will tolerate up to 200ft of 2 inch pipe.

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

@@TedCookHVAC When I did install I just ran it in 3 inch and stubbed a foot of 2 out the wall for 90-100k BTU's. That was also 10 years ago and on Lennox furnaces so I'm sure the tech has changed since then. I appreciate the rebuke.

[@Mikeofindy]

I appreciate that you want to do it right. As a tech myself I can only imagine the people you’re going to piss off when you get back with your video. Installers are dicks and can do no wrong. I don’t feel like I come across a lot of new installs in which people take pride in doing it correct the FIRST time. Drives me crazy to have to go back on an install and re run pvc flue or ducting or etc... all they have to do is read the books that come with the equipment. It tells you EVERYTHING you need to know

[@JT-qf4it]

Looks like it fired up at initial test. Looks more like operator error.

[@jeffez6572]

why is most of this guys videos crappy installs? would love to know what company he works for. Where I'm from we fix our own install problems. Also most manufacturers sent out service bulletins saying the length of 2" is 20 to 35% shorter than stated in the install manual. I dont know if it's for everywhere in the us but I live in the midwest. iv also seen where a pipe gets bellied and holds water. Then after the unit runs and sends down a rush of water running through the flu pipe, causing the water to jump the rainguatd and goes straight into the inducer motor.. seen this problem happen almost 3 year after the installation (mainly when its 20 to 40 below ow. in

[@TedCookHVAC]

Jeff Ezerski I own the company and most of these are me fixing issues behind my own, and sometimes other installers.

[@hsulli6715]

Nice job. way to take care of customers 👍👍

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

Why is it that on KZbin I see virtually zero installs where the second stage is controlled by the thermostat? I specifically requested that a new thermostat wire was run to my thermostat so that both stages would be controlled by the thermostat rather than the furnace. That way it doesn't have to run 10 minutes in the first stage if it needs second stage heating. It can go right to it to give it the extra gundy straight away.

[@tomtom1541]

Probably because people are lazy and can't be bothered installing all of the extra features.

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

@@tomtom1541 True. Whatever is easiest.

[@HappyCarReviews]

Nice one, but Also when the furnace is install horizontally, the inducer motor has to be turn according to the installation manual 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@HeroCaleb]

dang, ted, r u serious on the dinner part??🤣🤣🤣. as Ralph from T&N Services says (I think) "You are no super tech" which means, "Nobody's perfect, and everybody makes mistakes." and mistakes are how you learn. HeroCaleb.com

[@Sbc-rp9fc]

I work for a heating and air company in North

[@pollydor07]

THANKS

[@Lilmiket1000]

lol, wait are you saying they make about 500 a day? because Im about to go to school then if that's the case lmao Ill even consider it at 300 a day.

[@majorpayne5289]

👍

[@tommyyoung1546]

That pipe should have a 45 turndown to keep birds from nesting inside because when it comes on they will die some baby birds will go down into the inducer and you will be back cleaning them out I know this for a fact, had to clean out several, best to cut a pice of 1/4 in hardware coth install in that turn down to keep them out!⚠

[@sknight0391]

You know what they say..."It's not the size of a man's pipe but how he runs it." 😂😂😂 Dang Ted, next guy under that crawl space almost had him a good tape measure. 👀 I found a Fluke meter under a crawl space one time. It have the guys name and number on it, so I met up with him and gave it back.

[@TedCookHVAC]

ShannonIwearmysunglassesatnight whats up !?!?!?!?

[@bentrujillo6406]

I lost a brand new 14.4 Dewalt drill in a attic one time about 20 years ago. found a vacuum pump in one also a vacuum pump in a attic kinda odd huh? Wonder what that was about. It's my backup now but still works.

[@thomassavage527]

Couldn't there be a shorter run to outside?

[@XJlover90]

You're a good man

[@doublewide420]

thomas savage there has to be a wall closer,better fir the furnace in the long run

[@ShadowGamer-sg7ix]

Deal! Where do I sign up

[@TedCookHVAC]

Email your resume to me at [e-mail]

[@jessestewart3835]

Each burner is 20k BTU. No need to check rating plate for BTUs. Good video!

[@altyndom7039]

He also forgot to mount a decorative fresh air intake grate.