No Man's Land: The Batman Story That Went Too Far

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Salazar Knight

Salazar Knight

Күн бұрын

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@Bardia006plus1
@Bardia006plus1 Жыл бұрын
What I really like about this arcs and pretty much every 80s and 90s Batman story is that almost every villain gets at least a scene to shine and be the major threat. It wasn't like modern stories where the writers always use the joker as major threat in 11 out of 10 stories.
@virginia4032
@virginia4032 Жыл бұрын
That's so fucking true. It's annoying. Everyone wants to write Joker and he's slowly becoming to Batman what Batman is to DC. And he's over relied on.
@zemox2534
@zemox2534 Жыл бұрын
​@Bardia006plus1 He is also overrated. Seriously, I am just sick of the Joker being shoved into everything
@nicholashodges201
@nicholashodges201 Жыл бұрын
​@@zemox2534He's a perfect villain. *In his niche* And his niche isn't "everything". Also writers want Joker to be Batman's Nemesis as much as Joker wants it. They don't realize that Batman *already* has a Nemesis. It's called "Gotham". Everyone and everything else is just something that city is throwing at him
@BranBal
@BranBal Жыл бұрын
​@@nicholashodges201 Perfect explanation!
@cody3504
@cody3504 Жыл бұрын
New Batman series Pitch: Okay, okay, first of all Joker. Joker, Joker, Joker, laughing gas, Smiling fish, Harley Quinn, Joker, Joker, Joker toxin, Ra’s Al Ghoul, Talia Al Ghul, Joker, Joker. (Bane????)
@shmeebs387
@shmeebs387 11 ай бұрын
One of my favorite things about No Man's Land is in the Nightwing tie-in Batman gives Nightwing the task of basically taking on half of Batman's rogues gallery himself and locking down Blackgate on his own, and Nightwing is just like "bet."
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima Жыл бұрын
Poor Bruce. The 90's were truly awful for him: lost his best friend, got crippled, his story was rewritten again and his beloved city was destroyed by a f*cking eatrhquake. What a life...
@matthewschwartz6607
@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын
His best friend?
@matthewschwartz6607
@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that Virus that Bane unleashed in that other story .
@thehandsomeone8369
@thehandsomeone8369 Жыл бұрын
@@matthewschwartz6607I think he meant Superman during the Doomsday arc.
@MechaG
@MechaG Жыл бұрын
The 90s were called the Dark Age for a reason
@saidi7975
@saidi7975 7 ай бұрын
Well I love 90's Batman for the most part. And no one ever said superheroing was easy, so Brucie's gotta earn his keep...
@chris_t2020
@chris_t2020 Жыл бұрын
This is pretty much THE crossover of the Batman Family. You have no idea how much I appreciate and respect your effort of bringing us this content. As always THE Batman channel. Thank you Salazar.
@SalazarKnight
@SalazarKnight Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Chris. It's always good to read your comments.
@ProfessorHurt
@ProfessorHurt Жыл бұрын
Actually, Cassandra's name is revealed in No Man's Land, the novel that accompanied this event written by Greg Rucka was later adapted into an audio drama. It retroactively ties Cass to show up earlier in the event and makes her, Helena, Babs, and Jim the focal points of the story.
@matthewschwartz6607
@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the book actually kept this part in. The Cain stuff was good, too.
@Unquestionable
@Unquestionable Жыл бұрын
That novelization was awesome, being a somewhat poor kid who loved comics but didn't have the income to buy regularly it was nice to have the story available in a less expensive format. Do kind of wish they covered all the tie ins but that's kind of unreasonable.
@higgi9494
@higgi9494 11 ай бұрын
I listened to the same audio and man it was so good. Honestly it being shown through their eyes made the story more relatable and heartfelt.
@Briaaanz
@Briaaanz 4 ай бұрын
Wish you had referenced Hitman's No Man's Land tie in
@0g0dn0
@0g0dn0 Жыл бұрын
I tend to think of Harley Quinn and Cassandra Cain as the ultimate answer to the Killing Joke, even though neither character has a direct tie to it. In the case of Harley Quinn, we find the vindication of Joker's belief that it only takes one bad day to turn people into him, because even after they break up, she never fully returns to her normal life, choosing to be her own vision of the Joker. In the case of Cassandra Cain, we find the payoff to Batman's belief that anyone can be saved, the basis of his vow to never kill. Cassandra was raised to be a killer and knew nothing else, but on her own she decided it was not the life she wanted, and when the opportunity came for her to become Batgirl, she joined the Bat Family and began a lifelong crusade to redeem herself. It may not mean anything, but I think it's an interesting coincidence that they both officially joined Batman's comic universe in the pages of No Man's Land.
@bibbyboxx2219
@bibbyboxx2219 Жыл бұрын
For better or worse, No Man’s Land is the pure culmination of Batman in the 90s. It’s not perfect, but there are so many great moments and arcs throughout. It truly feels like a huge status quo shift beyond just being another crossover like those that came before. I actually do appreciate the differences in storytelling styles over the course of the event since it’s super long anyways. I do think that Huntress got the short end of the stick. I get that she was supposed to be an underdog, but I think they made Batman’s treatment of her go too far. Why did he have to fire her and manipulate her into working with and mediating Petit instead of just asking her to do so? Thanks for another great video. Hard to condense this huge story into something so watchable. And again you’ve deftly woven the behind the scenes context into the story.
@ben-jerry-dover8363
@ben-jerry-dover8363 Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly sad about the fact that all the amazing writers working with DC prior to no Man's land got fired... that lineup writers were truely nearest and dearest to me and experience with batman comics. In the end we dude get one of the biggest story of the decade... but at what cost?
@jaredgarcia8638
@jaredgarcia8638 Жыл бұрын
Only Dennis O'Neil and Paul Levitiz respected the writers they entrusted with Batman
@jaredgarcia8638
@jaredgarcia8638 11 ай бұрын
@jakeproven256 which Is why Alan Grant is the GOAT
@devilwhite7185
@devilwhite7185 8 ай бұрын
@@jakeproven256 Yes! I also agree with you. The dialogue in Chuck Dixon's stories is terrible. The only revealing thing he did was create bane, I was just reading the stories Chuck wrote about Robin and I'm embarrassed by the dialogue.
@saidi7975
@saidi7975 5 ай бұрын
​@@jakeproven256 I disagree. By that logic, lots of great works would be lost because their creators are deemed terrible.Dixon earned his badge far as I am concerned.
@saidi7975
@saidi7975 5 ай бұрын
​@@devilwhite7185... no. Dialogue is fine. Morrison and Claremont are far fucking worse in that department...
@Leonardo_No_Cardio
@Leonardo_No_Cardio Жыл бұрын
It is gorgeous how you point out all the details that made this story arc stand out while also describing the arcs of the characters and also the overall runs weak plot and chsracter points. I strongly recommend that you do a part two of No Man's Land highlighting your top 20,10,5 best stories or your favourite moments from the series as I believe No Man's land would benefit from a detailed analysis . Your observations on Sarah and how her murder peminded her importantance to Gordon and to us as readers retrospectively, your observations on the huntress and on the sudden absurd ending along with confusion on the panels and what they convey, all these were wonderful observations.
@nicholashodges201
@nicholashodges201 Жыл бұрын
21:30 in the writers defense Cassandra did not have the years of bad history with Batman that helena does. Remember, she started as a female Punisher, not a Batfam™ approved hero. Bruce will never actually trust her. Cassandra just had to show she could follow orders and not kill anybody
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Bruce trusts Cass at this point
@mireya0269
@mireya0269 10 ай бұрын
​@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231Man, Bruce trusts Cass so much she's to this day, the best new candidate to take the mask.
@camerondalton1495
@camerondalton1495 10 ай бұрын
It'll never happen now.
@popeye697
@popeye697 Жыл бұрын
The reason Bruce was the only one to leave Gotham is because he was the only one who realistically could and make it back. Everyone else, if they left, wouldn't have been able to get back into Gotham until No Man's Land had ended and it was time to rebuild. Similarly, Huntress not being accepted as Batgirl made sense as she already had her own identity and she wasn't as willing to follow Batman. She would work with him sure, but he needed people who would follow his lead without question and that wasn't something Helena was equipped to do yet. Cassandra, on the other hand, was virtually a blank slate by comparison. She could be molded into the soldier he could use in the war for Gotham while also he knew he needed to help her as well to overcome her upbringing. Putting her in the Batgirl suit was the first step towards that
@mywifesboyfriend5558
@mywifesboyfriend5558 11 ай бұрын
No Man's Land didn't go far enough. This was one of the best Batman stories ever. It took Batman's city and status quo, and literally shook it to the core. A disaster so bad, even Superman couldn't fix it. This story was proof that Batman's way does and can work, and showed gotham's citizens joining the Batman to rebuild and improve Gotham City.
@FabledHeroes3351
@FabledHeroes3351 Жыл бұрын
This one needs to be turned into an animated series
@ChristopherKou
@ChristopherKou Жыл бұрын
An animated standalone trilogy of movies would be great. Kind of like they did with The Long Halloween, but with three parts.
@tyronleung5276
@tyronleung5276 11 ай бұрын
Exactly
@tyronleung5276
@tyronleung5276 11 ай бұрын
​@ChristopherKou long Halloween supposed to adapt dark victory which is the sequel which is slept on cause it's a great robin origin story
@kwayneboy1524
@kwayneboy1524 10 ай бұрын
Almost was
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 8 ай бұрын
They better keep the dinosaur zoo part
@hailkingrex
@hailkingrex 11 ай бұрын
This was one of the first Batman stories I read and introduced me to a ton of the wider Gotham cast. One of my favorite stories is of the faceless white suited man bartering with people to save them from rubble. "What is your profession?" Such an amazing display of how greed and inhumanity can strive and thrive even in a cataclysm
@chrismorel8613
@chrismorel8613 3 ай бұрын
I can close my eyes and still see that page.
@matthewronsson
@matthewronsson Жыл бұрын
Cataclysm should have taken place in Metropolis simply because there is no way that they would ever rebuild that Gothic architecture, it'd be all shiny and modern- like Metropolis. If Superman didn't show up for such a disaster, then he's clearly off-world. Have Bats & Huntress in Metropolis, heck, have them save Lois...
@GhostRydr1172
@GhostRydr1172 Жыл бұрын
The 90's man. If there was a decade of excess in the comics history, that was it. And No Man's Land one of its primary examples.
@Arizona-ex5yt
@Arizona-ex5yt Жыл бұрын
No Man's Land is a weird one. It's too long and becomes repetitive. The tattooed rock star cult leader who instigates Congress to cut off Gotham is an insanely dumb plot device. The story makes no sense in the context of a world of super humans who could air drop food and medical supplies 24/7. Superman himself could have rebuilt the city. Dark Knight Rises fixes the No Man's Land storyline by giving a logical reason why the government would abandon Gotham (the threat of nuclear destruction) and, with no super powered beings, regular people have to solve the problem. I've always thought Batman and the more ground level characters should have their own separate Earth away from the god-like beings. No Man's Land is a perfect example of why.
@sunsetman22
@sunsetman22 Жыл бұрын
holy hell, forgot that Dark Knight Rises technically adapted No Man's Land, kinda how BvS technically adapted TDKR
@bibbyboxx2219
@bibbyboxx2219 Жыл бұрын
Superman did try to help but it didn’t really work out. As far as I remember, the Justice League books did mention that the League was protecting the city from the outside from being attacked by other villains.
@thereseemstobeenanerror1219
@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 8 ай бұрын
​@@bibbyboxx2219 That sounds like a bit of a cop-out really.
@themadtitan7603
@themadtitan7603 18 күн бұрын
​@@sunsetman22 It's been adapted to some degree in several media like Batman Arkham City & Knight, Gotham, The Batman (although one could argue that's more of an adaptation of Zero Year), etc...
@dsalvatier
@dsalvatier Жыл бұрын
Excellent overview of this giant storyline. I read this entire story off the rack and was captivated by it. I was in high school and nothing rivaled the drama and excitement of NML back then. I've never reread it, but I think I might have to go down that path soon.
@Lawrence_Talbot
@Lawrence_Talbot 11 ай бұрын
One thing never sat well with me was how quick Bruce was to take the cowl away from Helena and immediately give it to Cassandra. While Bruce disappeared and went on his self pity journey, Helena stayed behind and essentially did his job of giving Gotham alive through the worst. And going into No Man’s Land TPB with zero backstory not even Cataclysm, I was like who the heck is this mute girl and how has she earned the mantle of Batgirl when she’s literally trained to be a deadly assassin as a child. Idk Huntress deserved a lot more in my eyes.
@camerondalton1495
@camerondalton1495 10 ай бұрын
I think Bruce wanted to give the girl a chance as she was someone who would follow his orders without question while Huntress wasn't.
@fox_e_crow3276
@fox_e_crow3276 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work. I know it must have been tough to shave this down to a three hour video, let alone a thirty-eight minute video. One of the best videos I’ve seen on NML.
@TheLyleHawthorne
@TheLyleHawthorne 11 ай бұрын
One of the best videos I've seen on Batman, period.
@DarkDekicDuka
@DarkDekicDuka Жыл бұрын
As always, thankful that your channel exists because when I was a kid, videos like these didn’t happen. Think of it this way, your video may be a future comic book fan’s first ever exposure to this medium. Keep it up, you rock!
@TetsuShima
@TetsuShima Жыл бұрын
0:07 I have to admit the "..And I like it" moment was honestly pretty cute. It was probably Helena's most girly moment
@ToyCollector82
@ToyCollector82 Жыл бұрын
I was burnt out reading Spider-Man's clone saga & Superman turning into an electric Smurf. I decided to give the Batman titles a try during this period & glad I did. As you said, it wasn't perfect but it entertained me enough. Another thing you mentioned that I agreed with was there were *_too_* many Batman titles to buy & follow the story. I'm glad I discovered your channel. Great review on this. 👍🏻I just subbed.
@nosdregamon
@nosdregamon Жыл бұрын
Loved the story overall, just always had trouble imaging it taking place in the regular DCUniverse. There is just to many overpowered in DC and I mean, even if I assumed everyone else was busy, I can't imagine a scenario where Flash couldn't stop for a minute and organize a flash mob with friends and family, to repair and clean everything up a little, at least allowing for regular help to arrive. Back in the day, I always assumed, I had missed an issue where some villain claimed to have mined the city to blow it up if anyone with superpowers enters or leaves Gotham - but all I ever found was more of a cop out, than a good explanation.
@paulakroy2635
@paulakroy2635 8 ай бұрын
I do get that and story does go out of its way to explain some of it but truth be told at some point suspension of disbelief is important
@randallflagg3700
@randallflagg3700 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video! I have fond memories of _"No Man's Land"_ , and I was super hyped up when the show *Gotham* partially adapted it for its 5th and final season. Even if the events are different, the setting is similar enough that it feels like a "mini NML" to give Bruce Wayne in his 5th year as a young aspirant vigilante gstuff to do before his 10 years long trip around that world that would lead to the show's finale. Keep up the good work, Chevalier Salazar!
@MattMurdock-zi2lw
@MattMurdock-zi2lw Жыл бұрын
No Man's Land is my favorite arc, thank you
@laurelsilberman5705
@laurelsilberman5705 Жыл бұрын
This video is excellent. You did a great job covering a massive, sprawling, complex time in the comics. It’s all fun and games until No Man’s Land enters the chat!
@jayt9608
@jayt9608 Жыл бұрын
The No Man's Land novel was quite enjoyable, but I did not realize that the comic book version was so large. There are also major differences between the two, at least as I remember it. I need to read both.
@GiulianaBruna
@GiulianaBruna 11 ай бұрын
This actually was my starting point, decades after its run. A bunch of its issues were on the SALE box at my local comicbook store. At the moment i didnt have a lot of money, so I started collecting those, the 1999 Titans run and the Harley quinn solo series. I dont know if it´s nostalgia but it still is my favorite Batman story.
@OccuredJakub12
@OccuredJakub12 11 ай бұрын
One really bad missed opportunity with this whole destroyed Gotham plotline is that this was basically the best outcome for Poison Ivy. She should have been on it day one and used this as an opportunity for herself to grow her power and take Gotham over with plantlife, maybe even take control of all the other villains and turn them into her personal little army. I think a more concrete main villain would help direct the plots a bit better.
@freddman0135
@freddman0135 11 ай бұрын
me, a Chilean who lived as a kid the 2010's 27F earthquake, the fifth strongest earthquake in the last 100 years and being from the country who was hit by the biggest earthquake ever, feels like walking through my memories
@therussiancomicbookgeek
@therussiancomicbookgeek Жыл бұрын
Love your videos bro absolutely stunning
@lindsaywheatcroft8247
@lindsaywheatcroft8247 10 ай бұрын
Hi, my first Batman story was No Man’s Land! I don’t agree that Bane is depicted as a simple thug for hire. He’s a mercenary, sure, but he is shown to possess intellect, insight, wit, and self-interest. The Clayface story was the highlight for me, followed by Superman’s guest appearances. I think it’s fair to say it was a big break in terms of vision, but we can’t acknowledge that without talking about what followed it. Detective Comics adopted a highly stylised visual theme that recalled film noir and focussed on GCPD. It didn’t last more than a few years but it was an amazing run that gave us some incredible stories and character examinations. My boomer mum started picking up my direct editions and was very complimentary of them.
@DivingDog0
@DivingDog0 Жыл бұрын
"...a very questionable plot about the Quakemaster." Erm... You're kidding right?! The Quakemaster was one of my favourite parts about this whole event. Spoilers below, in case over two decades isn't long enough: The fucking VENTRILOQUIST of all villains finds a way to turn this act of God to his advantage. Of all the Batman gimmick villains searching for relevance, the Ventriloquist has to be one of the hardest to turn into an actual threat. There is almost NO advantage he has over a conventional criminal besides the legal complications of locking up a man for the crimes of his alter-ego (a complication which is rarely a factor). If Scarface was a real person he'd be more efficient in every single way. The Ventriloquist is a villain who is hobbled by his gimmick, not aided by it. Until Quakemaster. Suddenly it's WESKER'S talent which comes to the fore, aided by Scarface's mind. Wesker's ability to create a new persona. To present as a completely unheard of and mysterious player. If any known Batman rogue had claimed they'd caused the earthquake, there'd be doubt. But Quakemaster? No one doubts him. No one questions whether he's real. No one even thinks to ask the question. Because Wesker has brought him to life. And therefore the laughable claim is considered credable. Coupled with Scarface's quick thinking of putting this genius a plan together so soon after complete unexpected disaster, and you have here the Ventriloquist's greatest ploy! He didn't just come up with a near effortless way of making money when everybody else was reeling and trying to recoup losses, but he justified the Ventriloquist gimmick and made himself worthy as a Batman rogue. If Batman wasn't a the world's greatest detective, this plan certainly would have succeeded. If they ever do any more ventriloquist 1 stories, they absolutely have to have him try this again: Wesker creating fake players which aids Scarface's criminal schemes.
@saidi7975
@saidi7975 7 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree !
@mattresbert
@mattresbert Жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff Well done to you Sir for condensing all of that into a single astute video I might take a break now
@JGBricks
@JGBricks Жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this story! I love this channel it’s a good guide through Batman’s history and the important stories in it! Keep it up great job!
@thesloresby5128
@thesloresby5128 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed a year ago and the content has been worth it every time.
@Duken13yt
@Duken13yt Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite Batman storylines, was looking forward to your video on it! 👍
@oofyeet5935
@oofyeet5935 Жыл бұрын
This was a game changer for Batman's I think this was the last creative team they had for 13 years's work and after that they got new writer's for the new Gotham storyline
@twilightman2816
@twilightman2816 Жыл бұрын
19:23 Just like how Judas Traveller was originally supposed to be a much bigger antagonist in the Clone Saga, there were initial plans to make Scratch the actual main antagonist behind No Man's Land and to have his downfall occur near the end and at the hands of Batman. When the shift in writers started to happen, the storyline also was altered; Scratch became a much more forgettable villain and was taken down by Azrael much earlier in the storyline.
@bigboibenny1609
@bigboibenny1609 11 ай бұрын
Scratch and azrael were by far the worst part of the series to me
@antondelacruz9362
@antondelacruz9362 5 ай бұрын
This was one of the best Bat stories Ive ever read and had amazing art in the initial story where batgirl showed up. The character development qnd stakes for every character including minor ones like sarah essen still holds up today. Now i wanna reread it!
@ben-jerry-dover8363
@ben-jerry-dover8363 Жыл бұрын
I've waited for this, for a long time... and I'm already hooked
@Neillan
@Neillan Жыл бұрын
These videos are so good, you covered this excellently. While the event itself is hilariously illogical (which would be fine considering it was a major 90s crossover, but it gets ridiculous fairly quickly outside the main story), it's importance to the Batman Mythos and DC as a whole cannot be understated. Ironically, destroying Gotham ended up making it a truly living, vivid city.
@vertigq5126
@vertigq5126 9 ай бұрын
Great video man! Thanks for the in-depth look at this series
@Ellman1231
@Ellman1231 11 ай бұрын
Great video highlighting the pros/cons of the story arc along with the behind-the-scenes drama going on at DC during this period. Having read most of the comics run back in the 90s AND the more condensed novelization Rucka wrote a few years later, I have to say the novelization does a better job of cutting out the filler to present a much tighter story that preserves the most important plot beats. Along with the Dark Knight Returns & Hush, I re-read the novelization every few years, because I enjoyed it so much.
@caronte008
@caronte008 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always. Still have all these original issues and I liked the event but I do agree it was ver inconsistent. As far as being the longest event I think Hickman’s Krakoa saga might be even longer. So long I dropped it not even halfway through.
@eloso5670
@eloso5670 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, if I’m a member of congress im not giving Gotham any money either
@raymondtillotson6985
@raymondtillotson6985 Жыл бұрын
This is where I gave up on the series back in the day. Just couldn't keep up with that many monthly entries, dark and gritty overload set in, and Azrael's new look was HORRIBLE. Started reading just before Knightfall and ended here.
@EntityXIII
@EntityXIII Жыл бұрын
As a matter of fact, this was the first big story I read in the Batman mythos. I had started reading Batgirl (with Cassandra) and Robin, and decided to read the entirety of No Man's Land starting from the earthquake. I agree there were a lot of issues between art consistency and just how much of an ass Batman was, but he also didn't exactly become NOT an ass between this point and Flashpoint, so I read it as a character flaw rather than a flaw in a character's writing. On a side note, I'm writing a huge, anthological project right now--nothing to do with Batman, but still--where I've found myself drawing some inspiration from this entire saga in order to build and eventually resolve the major conflict that impacts so many characters across one land. It has been about eleven years since I last read the entire saga, but it's left that much of an impact on me as a writer. Cheers.
@d.6786
@d.6786 Жыл бұрын
So happy I found this channel. You deserve way more views and subscribers.
@strozombie.01
@strozombie.01 Жыл бұрын
10:00 The Batman creative team showing off their work on the multiple Batsuits for the 3 part DC Elseworlds story "Brotherhood of The Bat"
@juanbisonosuero3650
@juanbisonosuero3650 Жыл бұрын
Man I was waiting for this one for a long time
@richardabia9735
@richardabia9735 Жыл бұрын
I like the story. It made me love huntress more as a character. God bless you Salazar !!!!!
@oAndreGabs
@oAndreGabs 11 ай бұрын
What a wonderful video! Congratulations
@Veins1
@Veins1 Жыл бұрын
It was my 1st batman story to read and I loved it. I still got in in paperback.
@justarandomdude.9285
@justarandomdude.9285 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video pal! please never stop this is amazing. I hope you make a full series that covers the whole run of the caped crusader. more power to you
@rickytoddbotelho9555
@rickytoddbotelho9555 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job. Since discovering your channel and watching everything you've put out thus far, I anxiously wait for every new video upload 😂❤
@MikaylaJLaird
@MikaylaJLaird 11 ай бұрын
This is an arc I've wanted to read for a long time. I need to get around to it. Awesome video as always!
@SalazarKnight
@SalazarKnight 11 ай бұрын
Miki! Thank you so much :)
@DrakeBarrow
@DrakeBarrow Жыл бұрын
That Joker bit at the end was honestly too fucking dumb to be allowed to exist. It should've ended with him dead, and not in a "We didn't find the body" way, but a full panel of Gordon putting multiple rounds through his skull. There was zero reason to let him live after that. Hell, there was little reason to let him live after Jason Todd, but this one sealed the deal. You can debate the ethics of "Am I as bad as the mass murdering narcissist?" over his body as it's being tossed into a woodchipper and the remnants burned before the ashes are scattered.
@Neillan
@Neillan Жыл бұрын
Not to mention all the innocent people he killed immediately after that. Not outright killing or permanently disabling someone like the Joker is honestly abetting him. They don't even ship him off somewhere he'll actually be secured, just calmly walk him off in a semi-dignified manner not even afforded to low-level crooks who stole a purse! If this truly was a new Gotham, then Joker shouldn't have been allowed to continue along with it.
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 Жыл бұрын
#facts. That's one of the reasons the Batman comics were getting pretty dumb at this point
@DrakeBarrow
@DrakeBarrow Жыл бұрын
@@Neillan Yup. The poetry of just letting consequences catch up with him after all that time would've been wonderful. To say nothing of letting his passing herald real change (for the better) in Gotham.
@turtleanton6539
@turtleanton6539 11 ай бұрын
Yes indeed😊
@EnerKaizer
@EnerKaizer 11 ай бұрын
thing is, writers have to escalate Jokers deeds because after so many decades of stories with him there is barely any room left upwards unless they make everything new he does even more terrifieng then before. Heck, even at that point multiple people in that line of work could say, without the shadow of a doubt, that the Joker could never actually plead for insanity realistically anymore because of the insane precision of his plans tended to have. The only thing keeping him in the game are the creative teams - and not because they want, but have to, because anything else would be progression from the status quo of Batman.
@noneofthesethingsaremine4669
@noneofthesethingsaremine4669 11 ай бұрын
Wow! Great video. Lots of fun and highly informative.
@zaragachizanparo4948
@zaragachizanparo4948 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how Cataclysm and No Man's Land happened right before 9/11.
@hugejackedman3447
@hugejackedman3447 Жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense actually. 25:05. Bruce is totally burned out. The GCPD, Leslie, the citizens, don't stretch themselves thin as much as Bruce does. Like he doesn't have a good "work/life balance". Even the Bat family is the total opposite. They pursue their lives, interests, hobbies, extracurricular activities outside of work and actually take life seriously. Bruce pushes himself so much further than anyone else with so much focus on his mission that it has become the only life he really knows so he's mostly cut off from the real world. It's more like Bruce Wayne is the costume! lol But the point is he burned himself out. He takes so much of the responsibility of protecting Gotham all on himself. This being the worst enemy he's ever faced and having no answers it makes sense he'd be the one to break down.
@iBrummski
@iBrummski 6 ай бұрын
I had collected Batman and Detective for years but this was the story that made me say, enough is enough.
@naheemquattlebaum2267
@naheemquattlebaum2267 5 ай бұрын
No Man's Land is what got me back into reading the bat family.
@kelvinsantiago7061
@kelvinsantiago7061 Жыл бұрын
This comic is insanely influential (see Project Superpowers: Fractured States) and awfully under rated!.
@anutshell2426
@anutshell2426 Жыл бұрын
Wow, never realized how much The Dark Knight Rises was inspired by this story. Always thought its plot was mostly original with bits from Knightfall whatnot. Heck, The Dark Knight even used that plot point you mentioned about the Joker disguising people to have them killed in a friendly fire. Cool to know.
@barmanproductions7546
@barmanproductions7546 Жыл бұрын
Hello sorry Im late to the comment section I haven’t had time to watch full video. Anyway now for my very „analytical“ review of your review/overview/analysis or whatever of No Mans land. Well umm how do I say it, ITS THE BEST BATMAN KZbin VIDEO I’ve ever seen ! Like you know what I said on your last video and how it left me speechless, now im wordless man XD. It feels pointless writing comments sometimes when you don’t have a problem with a video, I just wanna say Sal keep it going man! Ps Nice that you mentioned Tally man, he’s underrated in my opinion (but I think I mention my opinion on him before). Take care of yourself dude and all the other people that read this wayy to long comment :)
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 8 ай бұрын
I read comics before, but NML and the Scott Beatty Ultimate Guide made me a regular comics reader. Those days in the late 90’s early 2000’s with Greg Rucka, Ed Brubaker, Devin Grayson, Gail Simone, Darwyn Cooke, Ty Templeton were a great era for Batfans.
@lucasgoncalves5898
@lucasgoncalves5898 Жыл бұрын
love your work
@griffinkelly8694
@griffinkelly8694 6 ай бұрын
Even though this arc and The Dark Knight Rises are not seen as Batman’s finest outings, I like how the former inspired the latter. It’s cool to see directors work with material that isn’t just The Dark Knight Returns or The Long Halloween. Nolan’s third film went from Dark Knight Returns to Knightfall to No Man’s Land. Although, I do enjoy different interpretations of the same story. The Dark Knight and The Batman were both going off the Long Halloween, and each presented the story in a very unique way.
@William-the-Guy
@William-the-Guy Жыл бұрын
I read No Man's land as a anthology collection in the library. I LOVED it. it just needs to be binged, instead of read a little at a time.
@leonis5664
@leonis5664 3 ай бұрын
Exactly how i read!! I loved very much, it made me a bat family fan
@TheBatman39
@TheBatman39 Жыл бұрын
No Man's Land is an excellent crossover and a very iconic Batmam history that i adore; however i admit that it has a low of faults specially in the pacing. By the way; i instantly recognized the soundtrack from Darksiders 2 in the video.
@SalazarKnight
@SalazarKnight Жыл бұрын
My man!
@cain666
@cain666 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! ...with an excellent title. No Man's Land was not a terrible idea, but it went on and on and on. And after several months, going ridiculously slow, the writer suddenly got in a dreadful hurry to wrap it all up. The Joker seemed like an afterthought, he appeared to be added to the story solely to increase the speed. The tragedies he caused, were nothing but fridging.
@saidi7975
@saidi7975 5 ай бұрын
True . This to me IS where DC started fucking up the clown.
@loganswalk8621
@loganswalk8621 11 ай бұрын
Honestly I think No Man’s Land could work well as one of DC’s animated movies it would be a great way to involve the entire Bat family for a movie.
@johnnydollar579
@johnnydollar579 9 ай бұрын
This is my favorite Batman story.
@crazizzle85
@crazizzle85 11 ай бұрын
Huntress is a character I deeply miss in today's comics
@Henry-oj1oo
@Henry-oj1oo Жыл бұрын
I’m actually really interested in reading this now
@felixleidig8307
@felixleidig8307 11 ай бұрын
this is by far the best story arc in batman
@millernumber1
@millernumber1 Жыл бұрын
Would you say that story is less digestible/more intimidating than Knightfall? I find it intensely moving, but the death of Sarah still angers me today, and makes it feel like an unnecessarily tragic ending. I do love that Rucka did a lot in his New Gotham year of comics following to show the fallout. I also think that the Greg Rucka novelization of the story is a good summary, though like the Knightfall BBC radio drama, it is not in print.
@jor4114
@jor4114 11 ай бұрын
Sarah's death feels like a classic case of fridging. It's not about her life ending, it's about how tragic that makes things for her male counterpart.
@millernumber1
@millernumber1 11 ай бұрын
@@jor4114 I disagree - she died a hero, saving the babies. I'm still mad.
@saidi7975
@saidi7975 2 ай бұрын
​@@millernumber1 yeah, a hero... to me she died a meme and a warning as to what I hate about Rucka's writing...
@millernumber1
@millernumber1 2 ай бұрын
@@saidi7975 Hmm. A meme? I do think Rucka (like Snyder) uses Joker as his embodiment of evil rather than thinking about Joker as an evil clown.
@why-ht7uh
@why-ht7uh Жыл бұрын
top 3 batman stories for me
@vallajoie828
@vallajoie828 Жыл бұрын
Here for listening the story and for the art works.
@MinasTsambanis
@MinasTsambanis 2 ай бұрын
NML finale also saw a costume change for Batman. He departed from the all dark look he adapted from Knight End to a more bright look with the yellow oval gone from the symbol and a noticable trunks. He wore that costume all th way until the Grand Morrison era and later the New 52.
@matthewschwartz6607
@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын
Actually, Huntress DIDN’T kill Pettit! The Joker did (Although I’m not sure HOW!). She probably would have , but she didn’t .
@jtlyncharts5093
@jtlyncharts5093 Жыл бұрын
Which is covered in the video...
@sleigh74
@sleigh74 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. A perspective I didn’t and don’t share about NML, but great work here. Funny enough it was NML that made me a steady Bat reader. New Gotham forever! 😊
@kRySt4LGaMeR
@kRySt4LGaMeR 11 ай бұрын
great video and summary! the only thing I'd disagree is not killing Joker. He's the character that has caused so much pain and death, his antics have had so much repercussions that it doesn't make sense that he's allowed to live.
@redrasegarden
@redrasegarden 10 ай бұрын
I like this event. It shows the true limitations of heroes and good people.
@Noitartst
@Noitartst 5 ай бұрын
No Man's Land Was my jumping off point into regularly following Batman comics; they couldn't sustain my interest after it ended, though, in part because they tried integrating Batman too much in the greater DC Universe. No Man's Land was a world.
@MetroXLR99
@MetroXLR99 9 күн бұрын
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing an animated movie adaption of No Man's Land. It may need to be a multi-parter, obviously. but I'd still watch it.
@thesonicpurveyor
@thesonicpurveyor Жыл бұрын
The audio drama is awesome
@AceLM92
@AceLM92 Жыл бұрын
I'm almost finished collecting all of Knightfall, but I doubt I'll collect all of no-man's-land just because of the sheer scope
@yoyohan9
@yoyohan9 10 ай бұрын
I understand how it makes him look bad, but I also think it's completely understandable that Batman would eventually hit his limit and collapse with all the shit he went through on the regular. It's just the straw that broke the camel's back.
@JudgementalGoat
@JudgementalGoat Жыл бұрын
Lovely retrospective, great work as usual. You gave me something to think about the structural narrative of NML, I hadn't perceived how the storyline went from dark and pessimistic to brighter, even if the ending was a low blow.
@ZachariahWiedeman
@ZachariahWiedeman Жыл бұрын
Mo Man's Land was when I first started reading Batman comics. It just happened that was when I started collecting comics. I hadn't read Cataclysm or Aftershocks, so I was *very* confused about what was going on.
@GabezPolanski
@GabezPolanski Жыл бұрын
amazing video.
@NeoCon3K8
@NeoCon3K8 11 ай бұрын
I think “no man’s land” story arc arguably most unique & very interesting storyline ,
@NeilEvans-xq8ik
@NeilEvans-xq8ik Жыл бұрын
Great video
@darthlordkamisennin5620
@darthlordkamisennin5620 Жыл бұрын
Still can't believe you condensed this to a 40 minute video and still totally engrossing.
@ghostbusterguy20011
@ghostbusterguy20011 8 ай бұрын
Everytime I watch one of these or read a Batman comic I hear the voice of Kevin Conroy in my head
@JohnDoe-qy5eu
@JohnDoe-qy5eu Жыл бұрын
I’m excited for this video!!!
@AliRizwanMasood
@AliRizwanMasood Жыл бұрын
It's weird how well the Assassin's Creed Revelations music gels as the background to an explanation of No Man's Land
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