No more space to build (Line Tower Wars Blooper)

What happens when you turn the balance of defense vs attacker too much? An endless stalemate after players have filled all of their available build spots!
I had to induce some lag by opening several browser tabs to encourage the game to end. Kind of like knocking the table in pinball.
In line tower wars, each player sends attackers to the next player on their right, while defending against attackers sent by the player to their left.
When attackers reach the base, they remove lives, and if no more lives are left, the player is defeated.
Towers and attackers are built by marble selection.
Gold is harvested by a marble.
A final marble determines when the attackers are sent to the next player.
Changes in this version:
- Crisis mode now does a free shuffle, ensuring at least 1 defensive option.
- New tower (splash damage) and attacker (elite)
Colours:
Red, Green, Yellow and Orange
Which colour will win?
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Additional art assets created by and/or adapted from works created by Kenney (www.kenney.nl)

[@voxeldoesart]

I think my favorite team in this one was yellow. They held by strong, and with only one life left. Fighting off the Juggernaut that was green, too! Despite the game passing by their death like it was something less important, it still was thrilling to see yellow fend themselves off in this scenario.

[@simonnielsen5565]

It seems to me like the only reason Green didn't win much sooner was due to marbles clogging the first bend. Look how shortly after Yellow died that Red's defenses were completely unable to keep up, and the entire top filled up. Yet the green marbles didn't flow as fast as the red ones due to the clogging effect. Yellow at least had a defense that was somewhat well suited to deal with the marbles Green sent, but even then most of the green marbles were massively weakened trying to get through that initial clog.

[@lostmarbles2d]

In this version I've already reduced the size of most attackers, but reading your comment made me think of something else: why am I forcing myself to keep each of the bends the same size? There will always be more attackers at the first bend, so it would probably make sense to make it a bit wider.

[@thekwoka4707]

The clogging did make the P marbles much more valuable. It gave them a lot of time to multiply and their splitting would suddenly release the pressure in the bend.

[@G.L.999]

The reason Green had the clogging effect was because Green had too many heavy attackers, giants, and shields in its attack inventory!

[@darthutah6649]

What you gotta admire is just how strong Green's horde and yellow's defense were. Probably most of the game was spent with Yellow being at one HP. Yellow had absolutely superb defenses. If Green didn't have equally superb offense, the former may have held out forever. The last time Red took damage before Yellow got eliminated was at 11:10. Funny enough, Green was probably the only one to take any damage during that long stalemate. After Yellow got eliminated, it wasn't long before Green was able to overwhelm Red and win. Red had an alright defense, one good enough to hold back Yellow but apparently not enough for Green.

[@PhaseArray]

There is so many ideas about how you could balance this. You could go with replacement(basically a better turret replaces its old counterpart ex: blaster -> minigun. Merge same thing as replacement except it requires 2 or more of the same turret to turn to a better turret. And adaptation which its probably going to base time or type of marbles. I thought of 3 category types. Swarm type, tank type, and specialist. Swarm is a bunch of normal and multiplying marbles. Tank is marbles with health. Specialist is marbles that has abilities like bouncy marbles. For swarm it is going to be suggesting aoe and shotgun turret. Tank will suggest shotgun, sniper and minigun. Specialist is dependent on their abilities it is not easy to make an adaption to them, im going to presume that there is an immediate counter to them. There could be more ideas that i probably haven't covered yet.

[@folhus]

good ideas

[@zamihebyokuso]

Yeah good idea

[@dharveyftw7349]

this is fun to watch, teams going full ham is satisfying

[@ShakeyBox]

Maybe three spawners of the same kind could merge into one stronger one? (Potentially the same could be done with weapons too, but I'm not sure if that helps or makes things worse.)

[@monterrang1]

man yellow be resillient

[@leeyenherngcalebpeircess6121]

Computer: exists Green: Oh boy, here I go killing again L A G E N S U E S

[@folhus]

💀 orange in the whole game

[@azukicrownbeachhouse4744]

Red, Orange And Yellow: Ded Green : Welp They Sucked So I'ma Call My Greenish Police

[@kalissa9223]

Orange:the noob Yellow: the early rusher Red: the shield spammer Green: *LAG*

[@oelschlegel]

I'd like to see a version where each marble attack dumps the same load on all other marbles, maybe with a nerfed attack though. Also I noticed the attack frequency seemed higher. This does a good job of not killing the weak off so early in the game, but maybe not having the horizontal and vertical bumpers synchronized would make it a little more random.

[@LAMCHAKFUNG]

Putting so much power on defence is op! (when 3 players remain) also, no more spaces to build houses to spawn attackers!

[@anotherwordly]

This is interesting! please post more bloopers!

[@bambangmaulidin7633]

make part 4 pls and put there some fitur that we can lv up our weapon and army spawners and add some walls that we can buy at market

[@fusionwing4208]

I swear every marble channel always has one specific color that dominates most of the games xD

[@Connor19527]

Facts it’s low key annoying bc you already know who’s going to win

[@chvslime1663]

YES LIME KKKK THAT A GOOD BATTLE RED HAHAHAHA

[@fishtimelapse4198]

I've recently got interested in Line tower wars and (though it is blooper) cool game! 😎 Edit: L A G G G G G

[@kalissa9223]

Green in a nutshell:

[@noticeme6412]

Cant wait for more funny things that happened in your simulations

[@jaredkay6970]

Well now that my nerves are completely shot...

[@G.L.999]

I wonder how differently this match could've been had Orange hung on just a little longer.

[@lucasucasi9106]

Honeslty, Yellow is a legend Surviving with one square remaining fron 4:07 to 18:51 And, since there was a speed up, if all was on normal speed, yellow could have survived at least 20 minutes

[@G.L.999]

4:07 was basically when Yellow's defense's corrected themselves and were able to weather the storm for so long!

[@dmitrytselpanau7128]

Воу. Вот это сражение! Хорошая оборона штаба.

[@ehx3419]

When you're once again in a situation where you need to lag Unity in order for a simulation to finish, a better way is decreasing the task priority in the Task Manager (or Resource Monitor, if you prefer).

[@shadowblocks2905]

I just discovered those stats at the top in the last few minutes. Something's odd with them though, green has both less Def and attack but still wins that well. Maybe the stats for each tower should be adjusted? Also I had an idea: when all slots are full for guns or spawners, maybe have a selector cycle through them and replace whatever it's on with the thing that was bought. Alternatively, instead of replacing them, there could be upgrades if the types match up or even merging different traits. Like shotgun + cannon -> explosive shotgun

[@maiwang2040]

Nah, the prices are fine. The 300 Spartans literally holded off an entire Persian army.

[@3_Circles]

Is there a way I can simulate this myself? It genuinely looks fun to watch all the complex interactions fold out in so many unique ways.

[@lostmarbles2d]

If there's enough interest, maybe? I'm probably going to make my space battle playable first to see how it goes. Generally I'm also still trying to decide if I want to put it on something like itch.io or on patreon.

[@skipydog5675]

It seems like the proliferation marbles would of ended the game due to being pushed to the top and multiplying but the cannon towers, dealing damage to everything in a large blast radius, invalidates them.

[@lostmarbles2d]

I'm thinking of adding a set of upgrade purchases, e.g. +1 hp to all attackers, +5% attack speed to tall towers, etc.

[@Firesgone]

The clogging caused such massive lag that Red's bottom defenses were clearly not targeting and firing as often as they should have. Green zero rushed so hard that it lagged Red to victory

[@lostmarbles2d]

Yep, I think in this version I had a 0.3 sec retarget cooldown, should probably update the system such that each tower remembers it's current target and does a retarget the moment it dies.

[@doctorwhom1]

When all the turrets or attackers are filled out they should be removed from the shop. And while it wouldn't be balanced I'd love to see Proliferators in a match without cannons or other AoE turrets.

[@lunascapes]

What do shield fields do? I’ve seen marbles under them get killed.

[@lostmarbles2d]

Reduces damage taken by 50%. Doesn't stack with other shield fields. You'll notice balls nearby don't get one shot.

[@LAMCHAKFUNG]

red vs green vs yellow vs orange in tower defence!

[@mac_bomber3521]

The best way to prevent this is giving green 20 elites to start so the game wont be too long making this unable to happen :troll:

[@G.L.999]

More please!

[@JamesTDG]

Man that was a REALLY long stalemate. Hopefully you can add a patch to reduce stalemates such at that...

[@lostmarbles2d]

Yep, this was recorded in the process of working towards balancing it, decided to upload it as a "what if all the spots get taken"

[@G.L.999]

@@lostmarbles2d All spots? Are you by any chance talking all spots where the weapons and attacker marbles go to? Personally, I thought it was entertaining to watch. I've actually been watching this video with music from this video right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHa2kJKDfLyNhc0

[@void3816]

when yellow lost I was like: guess red will die

[@fortun8diamond]

After all the attack and defense filled up, the gold is worthless

[@lostmarbles2d]

Gold becomes the scoreboard :P

[@Interesting_Failure]

20 minutes isn't too bad, right? > Speed: 2x oh

[@fusionwing4208]

Speed: x4 has entered the chat

[@lostmarbles2d]

Original length was 40 minutes :(

[@marcohueber5130]

I was really starting to think that this stalemate would never end... I think to prevent this from happening again, the defense weapons efficiency should lower over time, maybe just 1%/minute, so it's not really noticeable, but after 10-15 minutes it'll be increasingly hard to defend.

[@kalissa9223]

So is the reason why green won is because green was focusing getting fold than sending enemies ?

[@lostmarbles2d]

Ultimately, victory was about which player had the best mix of towers and attackers.

[@kalissa9223]

@@lostmarbles2d can you PLS MAKE THIS AGAIN it's so satisfying and to me I really like it :D

[@kalissa9223]

@@lostmarbles2d but can you add a little extra things Here are ideas: -regular shooting things can be upgraded into a sniper,shotgun,cannon,and mini gun Enemy generator can be swapped with other enemy generator Example: shield field > giant Tho you cannot swap normal attacker generator for balance that's all I have

[@lostmarbles2d]

@@kalissa9223 Thanks for the suggestions! I already have another one recorded and scheduled for a few weeks from now, but I'll add your ideas to the list for when I work on another one :)

[@kalissa9223]

@@lostmarbles2d YAAAAYY :D NEW SUB

[@sherielbrutis1115]

no

[@thakillerofdeath8326]

how the fuck did Yellow survive so long with 1 health

[@G.L.999]

It's defenses were able to properly correct themselves after that; for a good 14+long minutes into the video that is.