No Prep Car is Ready for Indy! We Figure Some Things Out...

[@timtompkins150]

Admitting that you don't know is a good example of honesty. Thank you.

[@UncleTonysGarage]

Don Enriquez, the guy who field tested all that stuff for Hilborn back in the day, currently works for Holley up in BG. You would probably be miles ahead in your learning curve on that thing by hitting him up directly. Also, the mechanical injection needs to be shut off by killing fuel because it's a pressurized system directly powered by the engine. When you kill the ignition first, the engine can spin a revolution or two with no spark, meanwhile all the fuel above the nozzles is allowed to drain down into the ports, basically flooding the engine and making the next start hard if not impossible. Kill the engine with the fuel shutoff, and it'll restart immediately if the engine is warm. If it's cold, dibbling a little gas down each stack with a primer bottle will get it to light off and start pumping fuel as soon as it does. Good luck with it!

[@michaelspicuzza2016]

Exactly that's the same style of fueling used in the 80s to mid 90s in sprint cars the pill is like a jet fro the carb. And get a flow meter from Speedway motors to help set the air flow

[@Guesswho69650]

Guarantee Sam would know how that fuel system works.

[@gr4eme1975]

Bob had me rolling on the floor with his " I seen the shiny and looked the other way and carried on with my work" 🤣

[@quickdeuce]

YAYYYYYY Good on ya Tom for building and bringing a mid 60's MoPar to the races!!

[@gregsimon9061]

Once you learn how mechanical fuel injection works, it's so simple, nozzles and a return pill that regulates the fuel to the barrel valve, the bigger the pill, the less fuel to the engine. Such an awesome race car.

[@wobblysauce]

Once set don’t touch was the motto

[@conanhall1]

@@wobblysauce is that the way Hilborn injection works?

[@wobblysauce]

@@conanhall1 Maybe a tweak or two.

[@douglasmayherjr.5733]

What a sweet piece of Mopar History. Thanks for the videos, Tom and crew.

[@ltsgarage7898]

I ran Hill-born injection system probably 15 years before you guys were born. I had it on my small block daily driver & yes I was always screwing with it. It took one jet when I got out in the morning to go to school then a different jet when I came out for lunch. More than likely the lunch jet would get it to start after school. If I went out at night it would take yet another jet. It also depended on weather. If it was raining one jet. If it was hot out yet another jet. Back in the day they were a pain in the Arse. They work well once you understand them. I had 2 other cars and my Harley. So when I was on a date. I had choice’s on what I wanted to drive.

[@600wheel]

It is so much interesting seeing these videos not actually already knowing the outcome because we’ve seen it on the other peoples channels or saw the event. You have people working for you and other channels pull it off easily, Cleetus does it himself as he says

[@Seven50ml]

Sweet ride. Whatever it runs it's gonna look good doin it.

[@mr_mongo7228]

Beautiful old Hemi and I dig the old velocity stacks!

[@josephacerra5987]

Thanks for sharing Nice ride and burn out

[@vehdynam]

Well ; I see ... i see ... a massive learning curve coming ! Once you figure out the mechanical fuel injection you will be able to step up to a blower with mechanical injection ; now that would be very , very cool . Thanks for the video , much appreciated. PS ; I like Bob's humour.

[@PsychobabbleRapp]

I had a 65 Belvedere in the late 70's and early 80's, I managed to build a nice dual 4 barrel 440 for it, and tub the rear with a 9 inch on a teenagers budget, it had a pretty good reputation in my small midwestern town 30 miles east of Columbus , I was one of the few with engine out the hood and fat tires under the back on the street in that area, at least around where I lived, mine was dak blue and it looked so nice on the centerline wheels back then , so this car will be my favorite to win drag a drive... I often wonder why we dont see more of these unibody Mopar's in no prep, they were pretty darn light . mine had aluminum fenders, hood, deck lid, door hinge's and cross members, and it would wheelie so easy , it was almost effortless, ... anyway LOVE the car I will be rooting for ya , this thing brings back wild memories

[@jamescardwell3254]

Just because you guys don't know it know I have faith that you all will learn it quick all I know about hilborn injection is that it looks cool on any engine combo so maybe as you all learn you will pass some knowledge on to everyone else that's not familiar with them live the videos looking forward to seeing you in Bristol TN again this year hopefully with some more 5 SECOND runs

[@h.h.legacydiesel6724]

So many thanks 😊 l know crap about the injection like you, BUT ! IT Sure sounds like it will eat and eat, then turn the fuel off. 😛🤞. Bob do you have a former stand up career? You had me in stitches! " just flushing the old oil out " "saw the shines and went back to work" Aiden? I once saw a young feller put 4-gallons into, tried to put four gallons of oil in a car, pull down the hose turn it to 4 and pull the trigger, magic! Only the dial was set to gallons, not quarts? It wasn't race oil, but it still hurt! 🤔🤑😉. Tom, thanks for all the great content 👍🏻. Your the best! Hey? Where is your truck? ✌🏻🧡🤘😉 🇨🇦.

[@BB-rn6so]

I had one of those old Hilborn Injection units years ago. Once I figured it out, with the help of a couple of older guys. It was a good unit

[@380.motorsports]

Got my Mag issue yesterday and love the new envelope design. Sick Week was so much fun and looking through the Mag issue brought back a lot of memories. Looking forward to doing it again in 2024 with a faster car.

[@vincentenk4449]

Tom, the new envelope's AWESOME! Not only cool looking, but we just had a MAJOR gullywasher & the magazine was PERFECT! AWESOME issue as usual!

[@marksworkshop54]

The main gas supply goes in to the Barrell valve . The quick release pill holder that the spring and jet fell out of is your 1 point to richen or lean the system out , Bigger Pill / Jet the leaner it will be and smaller the richer it will be . The next by pass in the system with Tie wire is the Hi speed lean out which is set by Pressure and pill size . It also looks like it has a Low speed pill holder under red spark plug lead holder which is for making the motor snapier at low to just above idel which is why it it connects in line after the Hi speed .

[@Burkdollspecial]

On the mechanical injection. You set the rich or lean mixture from the return line. Bigger pill less fuel in the engine. Smaller pill more fuel in the engine. You can change base pressure with the amount of spring in the pill holder. It has a seal that keeps fuel from flowing until the spring pressure is reached. You can also tune the engine by changing the nozzle size at the injector. When changing nozzle sizes it will also change the fuel pressure. If it races on methanol it will need one nozzle and if it drives on the street on gas it will need a smaller nozzle and a different pill or jet. In my past I experience tune small loads of nitro can become hard to tune. Because you are tuning more on the methanol side of the fuel than you are on the nitro side. And large loads of nitro you don’t want to start it on the nitro. It can self ignite and blow the engine up

[@pedrotheswift5937]

So cool to see an Aussie HQ on the mag cover!!

[@eddean6663]

Ive been A subscriber from the beginning. The new sick the mag package is SICK.

[@ls1jeeper]

That passenger seat was to get from the pits to the staging lanes lol

[@hankhank3129]

I love that old Mopar! Such great cars! It has daily driver written all over it! I would chase after valve stem seals if it even runs them anymore. Start at rhe top because it's likely seals or lack thereof, or possibly worn guides and poor drainback.

[@scavofamily4586]

You guys need an electric fuel pump for priming it, run through a check valve. I use and Enderle setup and a Holley black pump, it primes it within 3 to 5 seconds.

[@shawnkirk2044]

Got my second Sick Mag, love it!! Thank you Tom

[@ikepeters9758]

Will make an excellent drag and drive piece !!!

[@raywagner8016]

That diagonal bar is called a Petty Bar. It's a circle track thing to absorb right front crashes. Not sure why it would be in a drag car but someone had an idea at some point.

[@FastSS02]

Gotta love the Home Improvement reference "I don't think so Tim!"

[@MrPappysCobra]

Coolest car you have!! I like it! Awesome 65 Plymouth!

[@dennissastini3312]

We used to run that on the sprint car always shut off fuel to kill it added a select a jet depending on what track the boss would change the return pill on the select a jet only knew one guy in reno had that setup on a 29 sedan delivery running pump gas had a little electric pump with a single jet to prime the motor for fire up

[@markheineii7804]

got mine today. Awesome new envelope. killin the game baby.

[@teddyjones8027]

HELLZZ YYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAA.... I'm lovin the old school Dodge 330 AFX.... Sooo friggin excited to see this car at the track. Thank you for sharing because this is now my #1 video. Everyone keep yourselves and love ones safe and healthy and remember to SMILE 😊

[@vincentenk4449]

Uh, 330 is a DODGE, this is a PLYMOUTH. 😁

[@teddyjones8027]

@Vincent Enk it's the body style, chrysler, dode, Plymouth, you do understand that this body was used on all 3 with different trim, interior, engine packages

[@vincentenk4449]

@@teddyjones8027 that's still like calling a Chevy a Pontiac. Had to bust yer chops! 😁 BTW, look up what a DODGE 330 looks like, totally different in the front sheet metal.

[@williamdolphin7806]

The fuel system is the same arrangment as my hillclimb car. Kinsler fuel systems are high volume low pressure. You have a main line from the pump to the fuel shutoff then to the barrel valve. The barrel valve controls the amount of fuel to the injectors. The second line coming out of the pump distribution block is the jet it regulates the pressure and the volume in the system after the jet returns to the tank. You have a third line off of the distibution block that goes to the hgh speed jet or a diaphram high speed lean out. Its all basic old school mechanical constant injection. Kinsler puts all the bypasses

[@frankensteincreations4740]

All those bypasses and returns hooked to the feeds and everything else, is to help it start better due to the fuel prime… why it cranks so fast and no need to squirt it… Bypassing the regulator is a little odd… You would have to draw it all out to understand the method to the madness… Thing is so cool cause it’s all so retro… 👍🤘

[@isaacpfeffervlog6958]

Holley has a Whole page on Hilborn Injection and how to set it up.

[@swbtlw]

I think it needs skinny Torque- thrusts on the front and steel wheels on the back

[@danieljames5875]

To start a mechanical stack injection leave ignition off crank for 5 seconds then hit the ignition while still cranking and it will fire right up.

[@jkdwayne]

Mechanical Injection is very basic. I love it. Kinsler has very good diagrams.

[@carlweidman3026]

That's a nice Dodge if I had it I'd be putting a Springer front on it

[@kennethhecht3354]

Gonna be a nice drag-n-drive car.

[@vincentenk4449]

No, a "SICK" Drag N Drive Car! 😁

[@brocksutliff8782]

So glad to know the new Sick Mag has shipped! My wife got me a subscription for it and it’s by far my favorite. Nothing but dragNdrive cars and events. Absolutely love it! Can’t wait for Sick Summer!

[@bobaque70]

Looks like alot of work converting this into a Drag and Drive car!

[@ponypwr]

I don't think so Tim... Home Improvement ftw!

[@nvclxud]

Hey Tom, what happened to the burnout car at Indy? I was really looking forward to seeing your run.

[@1960fl]

Its called a unisync and you can do it with the stacks on.

[@jeffmckc2081]

the " Return Jet" the bigger the whole the leaner it is because it returns more fuel. You can have Pressure lean outs also as the pressure comes up the spring pushes back and leans it out.

[@michaelhenderson5098]

Good video, but Dang I was hoping to see it run! :(

[@davidyates97]

Gucci print on the envelope 👌🏼

[@Snap4590]

I ran a Hilborn injected HEMI A/Dragster for 10 years. Never once shut it off with the fuel shutoff. We always used the ignition to turn it off. Matter of fact except for tech at a divisional or Nat'l event, the fuel shutoff had a wrap of duct tape to hold it in the open position. When we started the car we held the throttle all the way open until the motor fired to bleed the air out of the nozzle lines. We also primed the injectors which you probably shouldn't have to do if the fuel pump is mounted below the fuel tank, which would gravity feed to the pump. Good luck!

[@mountainsgarage]

The only thing between your arm and the driveshaft is thin aluminum, Bob can fix it!

[@gt1man931]

Happy to see this car have a real life again instead of sitting somewhere dried out. Someone(?) should probably read up or watch videos of operating the injection and fuel tuning, or it will guaranteed give you an ulcer on drag n drive events. You know it will eventually require some fiddling and maintaining right in the middle of having fun.

[@karlsracing8422]

My new favorite car.

[@DeathRockRadioTampaFlorida]

HELL YEAH GET DOWN WITH YA BAD SELF !!!

[@Moneybrook610]

Ls George blazer with the weights gone take ya hahah🥴🥴🥴

[@scottdennis7441]

I just watched a video from 13 years ago that had your car in it. Bill and JR's garage

[@skaarlet84]

Very funny video 👌😄

[@duanecreativemachine]

That looks like a mechanical fuel injection like on a sprint car. Those are bypasses.

[@jord9308]

Need a Uni-Sync tool to balance the flow

[@parker1ray]

My first car was a 1975 Cosworth Vega GT that I bought in 1976. I remember that these early engines were aluminum block and many had what looked like stretch marks due to the early alloys. I also had a 1966 Charger 383, 1968 Coronet RT 440, a 1968 Road Runner with the 383 HP motor. My last car was a 1973 Dart Swinger 340. Now I drive a Chevrolet Sonic 😭

[@joevaagen6170]

SHE GOT A HEMI. Oh the sounds of an 60s hemi is the sound heaven sounds like.

[@dennissastini3312]

Amazing car

[@kaddleman4294]

C'mon guys tune those carbs old school - rubber hose harmonics!!!!! lol

[@curtiswalter86]

Just take my money !

[@MarcusAtkins-zw9qt]

Do you have sick shirts that are not black?

[@UnderLoK]

"He had to make opening day a whole day for a couple hour game" Tom... How are you going to be down for opening day at Nemos or whatever if you're in a shop and what is he going to do start drinking at 6am and then come into work? Then again, if he doesn't drink then I might get it if he isn't the DD, but otherwise... Personally I used to be down there before 7 and had grills going by 9 and after the game was bar crawl time.

[@yosmith1]

Please keep this NA!!

[@garry3013]

Loving the content on this Csr. I'm envious of it but not having to maintain it, just to fire it up and run it at a few events. Best of Luck!!!

[@Elevated3dDesigns]

i dont think that no prep means what you think it does . people just throwing that term around now i guess.. but good luck hope you figure it out .

[@stevenbesson8988]

Old school engines and setups are the best, always love seeing the creativity the old racers came up with.

[@beeeennnnnnn]

duuude that toy 1.0 is SIIIICK

[@tompendergast2441]

Manual High speed lean out

[@scottmckeighan1201]

She sounds just like I remember at the Valley.

[@dennishackworth7027]

Nice ride !

[@thepieguy4522]

Good to see POP on the cover of the mag. What a beast

[@conanhall1]

I need to make you a t-shirt: "I'm too tolerant of incompetency."

[@williambylsma2578]

The bigger the jet the leaner

[@danielward9458]

Whats the best way to wash oil spat when it happens?^^

[@frlfda]

Oh that sound, the throttle response. Modern powerplants do make more power more reliably, but the sound like watered down weed whackers compared to this. Ok, commence the hatred... lol

[@Amxracer]

Cool 😎 . Let’s go Tom !

[@haydenroyer]

Garret and jackstand know all about mechanical injection. Both burnout cars are mechanical

[@jamesplatek6188]

Just subbed what do I do to get my mag

[@KimiWallrus]

Aiden is dropping bars. Didn’t see that one from afar. You could see where you edited out the little shppss shppss of starting fluid on that sexy ass Mopar to get er to fire. I think that’s legal in something that should very well be raced on a splash of Nitro. Teach these kids that fuel is a form of power adder.

[@RINEYMOTORSPORTS]

Today Friday about noon I seen the toterhome in Fraser 15 and Utica

[@1953travis]

Tuned headers?

[@justinrobertson3748]

That's most definitely not a matchbox that's a Johnny lightning big difference

[@600wheel]

I came down here to see if anybody else noticed that before I said anything🤘😎🤘

[@FastSS02]

Yeah, it's an insult to Johnny Lightning to call that a Matchbox! Matchbox WISHES it made something that cool!

[@michaelsclark]

​@@FastSS02to be fair hot wheels bought out matchbox 25+ years ago

[@FastSS02]

@@michaelsclark I know but they still suck! Always been a Hot Wheels fan!

[@600wheel]

@@FastSS02 Facts?

[@JohnW1711stock]

There is a pill/jet in the return line. The bigger the orifice the leaner the engine runs due to more fuel going back to the tank. Smaller pill/jet is richer.

[@Jammer.1]

Does Adin got a yt channel ? I have been following here for a few years & don't think i ever heard if he did or not !

[@woofersd2383]

Man that’s an amazing Hotrod.

[@barry8458]

Y this one’s gonna be funy watching them figure it out 👍🏼

[@BrokenanklesFPV]

oh tom its very cool no doubt about that

[@robertlakatos1475]

Talk to Kinnsler maybe they can help you out.

[@ronland1821]

The new envelope is sick. Thank you

[@rockercover]

22:16 😆😆😆‼️

[@CraaaigV302]

Man wen u pulled the wrong fire suppression lever and got doused in the face and everywhere i felt so bad for laughing but at the same time good thing because if u were physically on fire it would of saved you glad things were not as bad as they could of been in that entire situation

[@sampson7941]

Another sick racecar. Just needs a little love

[@parker1ray]

You boys are looking at this stuff like it is alien technology LOL! This is the way it used to be!

[@chadp6307]

It almost sounds like that fuel system "T" junction you wondered about was set up to let excess fuel pressure/flow return to the tank for the whole engine, rather than how modern engines do that at each injector.

[@c103110a]

It might look good with a tunnel ram and dual quads. Probably less headaches too..