‘No question’ Harvard president Claudine Gay plagiarized: Carol Swain | On Balance

Harvard's board supports Dr. Claudine Gay as president, citing her leadership suitability despite acknowledged mistakes. Carol Swain, from whom Gay allegedly plagiarized, says “there is no question” the accusations are accurate. The Harvard Crimson reported the plagiarism allegations about Gay, which Harvard denies.
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[@brucemoose926]

Oh, she won't resign, not from a job that pays over $800k a year. Come on, she has no real skills.

[@mayagertsberg9778]

For sure. But she can plagiarize

[@danelwind2574]

Maybe there is a woke person loony enough to want her coffee jellybean 😂

[@jerryh.9960]

She might be qualified to be a librarian.

[@traybern]

She’s VERY skilled…at choosing GIANT glasses FRAMES!

[@gabriel3888]

China bot account lmao

[@tab5470]

Thank you Dr. Swain for calling it for what it's!

[@user-ut7bs9cf6u]

Lady is a jewel.

[@JessicaMessicaTV]

it litterally cites Carol Swain though at the end of the info if you read the whole thing

[@ellierivera5519]

Another FAKE brand!…

[@josipag2185]

​@@JessicaMessicaTV I don't know if you have ever written any research paper, or anything under the academia, I have, and you must paraphrase it, not litrerally use whole paragraphs, it is not a quote ,that is not allowed. You even now have the programs to check the similarities of the sentences, and they analize your work. Ofc it wasn't like this in 1997, but still, you just can't do this. You need to analize or add something.

[@johnniestallings8903]

Dr Swain is about to be in real trouble. God is not please!

[@Nick-bh5bk]

How she is not forced to leave is disgusting. The DEI force runs deep in Harvard.

[@theinngu5560]

But Harvard now has lost any standing it once had….lack of integrity leads to a person or an institution’s downfall

[@carywalker305]

Anti-diversity and exclusion. DEI is uniformity of ideology- they'd have fired any black conservative with that kind of fraud. DEI is simply marxist uniformity, spearheaded by racism.

[@wademitchell3817]

If anybody believes De-notso-Nice and the Trump have not plagiarized at Yale and U Penn, your really kidding your self. Trump is even plagiarizing Hitler in speeches! Fire Donald!

[@teenahweenah2608]

What is plagiarism?

[@Dr_Jeff888]

No one is above the law

[@Jeanne90275]

Claudine Gay won the Toppan Prize for Harvard's best political science dissertation, 1998, which she lists in her CV. If she lifted passages from half a dozen scholars as well as Dr. Swain without adequate attribution, that is indeed reprehensible, and not a matter of a few missing quotation marks as Harvard maintains.

[@davidscott3292]

It should also shine a light on the people making these judgments for the Toppan Prize (whatever that is).

[@catherinebourdon8258]

Consider all the students accused of plagiarism by Harvard standards, but Harvard moves the goal post for *their own university's President!* Can you imagine a class action lawsuit coming from this?

[@dextermoore278]

The Jewish Students at HARVARD University have already hired lawyers and they are suing HARVARD!!! THEY will definitely win their LAWSUITS.

[@davidthedeaf]

Those students should sue.

[@longkesh1971]

@@dextermoore278 Jews are going to sue? Are you trying to be funny using Jewish stereotypes that Jews always sue when they don't get what they want? Not cool.

[@sandraclick7812]

I believe Dr. Swain facts and so should the Harvard Board of Trustees !

[@johnhunter5699]

Harvard administration is cheating the whole community.

[@markgordon5387]

Gay is unethical.

[@buickinvicta288]

Crooked.

[@carlmorgan8452]

Look into who was teaching Ethecs at Stanford University

[@user-tt1ye4qs4f]

Pocahontas, "My kind of leader!!!" @@buickinvicta288

[@jackbotman]

I see what you did there, well played

[@markgordon5387]

@@buickinvicta288 The university is crooked. They accepted her dissertation.

[@Yourmom-tc4rn]

All Harvard students, current or former, that have received Honor Code violations, should join a class action lawsuit against Harvard's systemic discrimination.

[@josephvanname3377]

What if they received those violations for a good reason?

[@hongsta299]

Everyone should be held to the same standards, otherwise the Havard name is worth nothing. If anyone has been expelled for less than what Gay is being accused of then that's open to a potential law suit.. they just hope there's not many of them around.......

[@critcalreader4160]

A person with no moral compass will never resign.

[@ThinkBeingThanks]

Students who does as gay did, in exams, would be kicked.

[@bigphinis675]

she needs to be fired

[@Devilish__]

So does the reporter imo. Fucking guy wouldn’t let Carol Swain finish her thoughts.

[@JohnHoulgate]

But who's in position to fire her?

[@justcarryonnow]

​@@JohnHoulgatethe board

[@user-zq4fv8sj6v]

@@JohnHoulgate “The Corporation” at Harvard though they’ve willfully neglected to and are ‘allowing’ her to re-imagine her dissertation. However they have a weakness. The most essential element of any organization, its lifeblood…..MONEY! Enough donors and money managers pulling donations plus rescinding various forms of ‘gifts’ will mortally destroy their $50B endowment.

[@dextermoore278]

​@@user-zq4fv8sj6vHARVARD UNIVERSITY HAS ALREADY LOST OVER $1 BILLION DOLLARS IN DONATIONS SINCE THIS SCANDAL WITH CLAUDINE GAY, STARTED. BILL ACKMAN IS A HARVARD ALUMNI WORTH OVER $ 3 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! HE IS LEADING THE CHARGE, ALONG WITH HIS OTHER BILLIONAIRE FRIENDS, PRESSURING HARVARD TO FIRE MISS GAY!!! HIS WIFE WAS BORN IN ISRAEL AND HE IS OF JEWISH DESCENT!! 😂😂IT'S WRONG AND JUST REALLY STUPID THAT GAY ANGERED AND DISGUSTED SO MANY VERY POWERFUL, RICH PEOPLE WITH HER JEW HATING BEHAVIOR!!! MR. ACKMAN IS REFUSING TO HIRE ANY STUDENTS FROM HARVARD AND HIS MILLIONAIRE/BILLIONAIRE FRIENDS WON'T HIRE THEM EITHER!!! IF HARVARD WANTS TO SAVE THEMSELVES FROM RUIN, THEY NEED TO FIRE MISS GAY, IMMEDIATELY!!

[@scottjohnson7780]

She should not just resign, her PHD should be null and void. Anyone can go on Google, pull up someone else's research and call it their own. Sources are one thing, scanning that source and calling it your own is quite another.

[@mars9953]

Unfortunately, you are correct. But they will just promote her - that’s what privilege and power will do for you….black Privilege and Black power

[@TadMichaelMasterson]

What's the punishment at Harvard when a student is caught plagiarizing? Because at the school I went to, there were zero second chances

[@josephvanname3377]

I don't believe you. Universities these days pander to those who behave badly. And they refuse to apologize for promoting violence. Universities are extremely unprofessional.

[@StoicGore]

I feel bad for the writer bc she is fighting both against the president of Harvard and the idea of affirmative action bc she earned her place as an academic while Gay fell into her place based on race and little merit. It really does hurt all of us.

[@happygolucky9004]

Agreed. When Harvard was searching for a new president they sent along a message to ask faculty and staff. They highlighted that they wanted the next president to put DEI in the forefront. It was pretty much inferred that they were going to hire based on ethnicity. It was quite disheartening.

[@motorinmaineiac5081]

Unfortunately, many blacks have gotten ahead thanks to affirmative action, even Swain. It was the absolute worst thing Kennedy did as president. And LBJ didn't help the matter with the civil rights act.

[@anthonycabigon2230]

She deserve the PhD. She doctored her data in her desertation.

[@jareddavidhirsh4948]

@@happygolucky9004iiu

[@user-zq4fv8sj6v]

Dr. Swain needs to testify before Congress IMMEDIATELY to assert the veracity of her own hard work and show what a blatant fraud Queen Claudine is line by lifted line!!

[@S-E-P-96]

The woman that she plagiarized from is still alive…if getting called out by her isn’t embarrassing enough I don’t know what is.

[@ricokwan7178]

Despite already left my university for some time, I have taught plagiarism is a fundamental breach of integrity being an undergraduate. There is no excuse for such. Shame on Harvard for political correctness only without seriously investigating the matter and taking appropriate and essential action.

[@rio20d]

she doesnt need to resign , she needs to be fired/sacked!!

[@musicfan5279]

Carol Swain is right, Claudine Gay must resign

[@imcustomized]

Must be expelled for plagiarism and fired for racism and religious discrimination.

[@dextermoore278]

Claudine Gay IS A RACIST, A LIAR, AND A CHEATER. I'M NOT SURPRISED SHE STOLE THIS WOMAN'S WORK. HARVARD NEEDS TO FIRE HER!!! SHE'S A DISGRACE TO HERSELF AND SHE RUINED HARVARD'S REPUTATION.

[@GameDevAraz]

yes, for two reasons. 😅

[@user-eo8px9zv6m]

Yes, I agreed to be resined immediately

[@user-eo8px9zv6m]

She is not who she is,,,,,,, so no Racism, but yes to antisemitism ,,, of course she plagiarized

[@johnbucher2077]

The interviewer should let Ms Swain finish speaking.

[@Devilish__]

Look at the guy… he loves hearing his own voice.

[@sharonconstan8234]

Agree. Not only seems rude to the guest but agenda driven, not listening to her answers because he’s making assumptions. Sad

[@Lizzi31]

Ms Swain is right it’s a tragedy for Harvard. One should be chosen on merit not on colour or creed.

[@cJroma316]

Agreed! I was literally cringing at his abruptness and seemingly impatience. Hopefully, he will make some adjustments as an interviewer.

[@Dani-dg4ut]

Yes I agree. He was most rude..interrupting her in mid-sentence. He is quite young and has a lot to learn in how to interview intelligently. I just wanted him to shut up!

[@Visiontech]

Carol Miller Swain was born on March 7, 1954, in Bedford, Virginia, the second of twelve children. Her father dropped out of school in the third grade and her mother dropped out in high school. Her stepfather used to physically abuse her mother, Dorothy Henderson, who is disabled due to polio. Swain grew up in poverty, living in a shack without running water, and sharing two beds with her eleven siblings. She did not have shoes and thus missed school whenever it snowed. She did not finish high school, dropping out in ninth grade. She moved to Roanoke with her family in the 1960s and appealed to a judge to be transferred to a foster home, which was denied. Swain instead lived with her grandmother in a trailer park. After she divorced in 1975, Swain earned a GED and worked as a cashier at McDonald's, a door-to-door salesperson, and an assistant in a retirement facility. She later earned an associate degree from Virginia Western Community College.[3][4] She went on to earn a B.A., magna cum laude, in criminal justice from Roanoke College and a master's degree in political science from Virginia Tech. While an undergraduate at Roanoke College, she organized a scholarship fund for black students that by 2002 had an endowment of $350,000. She finished a Ph.D. in political science from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1989. In 2000, she earned a Master of Legal Studies from Yale Law School. "Wikipedia Quote".

[@brega6286]

Wow !

[@user-ie1yx7bx4t]

Wow

[@garyrandalls853]

I admire Dr. Swain. That being said, I see more and more people getting ahead in academic fields by less than sterling means! When unethical people get placed into positions of authority, we all suffer! Also, I begin to trust the system less and less.

[@ac-uk6hs]

When you hire affirmative action you can't fire affirmative action

[@gardengnome3249]

Your statement should be a bumper sticker.

[@mrerick0363652]

Wow what a dumb statement!!!

[@jaygold4467]

That's all she is. A racist diversity appointment. Where is the white male?

[@dextermoore278]

THAT'S RIDICULOUS!!! HARVARD NEEDS TO FIRE MISS GAY!!! SHE'S A DISGRACE TO HERSELF AND TO HARVARD. SHE RUINED HER OWN REPUTATION AND NOW SHE IS RUINING HARVARD'S REPUTATION. GAY IS A JEW HATING RACIST AND SHE STOLE THIS OTHER WOMAN'S WORK!!! GAY IS MORALLY BANKRUPT AND COMPLETELY UNETHICAL!!! SHE HAD DISGUSTING AND APPALLING BEHAVIOR.

[@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108]

A bumper sticker on a Kkk car

[@user-hp2en3ke6t]

always listen when Carol Swain speaks very bright and well informed, love her....

[@crcr1]

But is Harvard listening to her? This is indefensible conduct from Gay, who needs to be fired. Every news outlet should be interviewing Professor Swain.

[@TomWindom]

I would just like to say this to that woman. That's talking to bring your own kind down. Stop doing it. Quit talking about that woman. That woman aint never said nothing about you. So why are you talking about her? So? What shall I have some going on in the past?

[@animalntelligence3170]

Read about Swain's background -- talk about succeeding despite extreme adversity. Perhaps she should be considered to be president of Harvard. I mean, if Gay got there on Swain's work, that seems fair to me.

[@johnsmitherino4913]

​@TomWindom so don't judge on merit, only by race? sounds like a racist suggestion to me.

[@pricklypear7516]

@@TomWindom Swain apparently feels as though "her kind" are all the bright, original, hard-working people -- not "women," not "Blacks" -- who EARN their accolades by research and conceptualization, NOT by plagiarism. Just because YOU are hung up on color doesn't mean everybody is or should be.

[@nowhereinparticularever]

FINALLY, A BLACK WOMAN willing to SPEAK TRUTH, about LYING, THIEVING other BLACK WOMEN!! Stay strong, TRUTH SPEAKING BLACK WOMEN!!

[@tflg3257]

Swain is a paid mouthpiece that tells you what you want to hear.

[@johnhunter5699]

Her degree should be canceled permanently. The committee conferring her degree should be fired.

[@markshade8398]

If Harvard refuses to accept that it was plagiarism, and state that "it meets their standards", then their standards will lose respect along with the value of any degree from Harvard. If they want to kill the value of their school..... Then by all means, go ahead.

[@lucillejerome5511]

well said!

[@donpietruk1517]

It brings up some interesting issues regarding lawsuits from former Harvard students who were dismissed from the university for the same violations.

[@anonymike8280]

Notes from everything I need to know, I learned in kindergarten department. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall; All the king's horses and all the king's men Couldn't put Humpty together again. The Ivy League is broken. It can't be fixed. Hell, the world is broken and it can't be fixed. Everything is on a race to the bottom, and we're not there yet.

[@markshade8398]

@@anonymike8280 I love that book!!!! And you're right.

[@TT-yr8ms]

That is true.

[@jenniferj2456]

We live at a time in history when labeling a matter is a tactic to steer an agenda, not an act to identify a matter accurately.

[@icedriver2207]

This has gone on for a while, but now it is just more blatant and in our faces. Language should be used to define and describe, but when used politically it is used to obscure and confuse.

[@ellierivera5519]

@@icedriver2207 On your face! App close and personal…

[@annereidy7981]

Harvard has little choice but to back her, having supported her all along, it could not afford to turn around and admit that any degree it has handed out, is not worth the paper it's written on. This needs independent scrutiny, and in the face of this, Harvard would have no place to hide.

[@raina4732]

Why is Harvard fighting so hard for this woman?

[@UglyMaleee]

Coz she's the first Black woman Harvard president and if you attack her then you'll become racist.

[@christopherlynch9006]

I'm stumped anyone got any idea.

[@johnhunter5699]

BLM

[@fishbait007]

U mean She-male?😅

[@daveh7517]

One of my friends plagiarized a sentence, yes 1 sentence, and the university was extremely harsh to her. As I remember, the punishment was 10 hours of community service, grade 'F' for the class, 6 months evaluation. Because of all of this, she later dropped from the university and I didn't see her again. Think again on which race has that "privilege".

[@user-tp7gy4dj4l]

The privilege is not about black or white or brown or tan. What's privileged is the Long Green.

[@nickblankevoort9786]

This is only the tip of the iceberg. Harvard s reputation is down the drain.

[@alicedoors4826]

10hrs community service? Lol since when did schools start using that as punishment?

[@davebritton7648]

@@user-tp7gy4dj4l What is 'the Long Green?

[@longkesh1971]

People are so gullible in these comment sections. I had a friend that __fill in the blank__. Sure you did.

[@Armstrong81]

I do not think we need Einstein to come back and tell us why she got the job ☑️☑️☑️☑️☑️☑️☑️☑️

[@abesapien9930]

DON'T LET THIS GO. We cannot let the president of the most prestigious university in our country be a plagiarist. It's like having a chief of police that's a drug-dealer.

[@MichaelGilmoreTV]

In my senior year at a prestigious college, I failed Shakespeare as an English major. I had to retake the class because my Senior Semester Paper contained scholarly writing that wasn’t mines. In other words, I used those thoughts as my own without quotations 📚😂. Plagiarism is a serious issue in higher education. It’s the ultimate’ school sin👀.

[@user-es7dc4eg7m]

Regardless if she quits or is fired, she is forever stained and her reputation there will always be soured from the students that attend the school to the people who donated and the alumni who graduated. She is a walking disgrace and will only continue to damage the elitist hypocritical institution she works for. Keep her and watch the brand continuously decline.

[@user-jh4un7yy2h]

You're on it, bit she should STILL BE FIRED.

[@nowhereinparticularever]

Wish this was true... UNFORTUNATELY, this will be SWEPT UNDER THE RUG!!!

[@johnglue1744]

She could be president of the USA. I mean look at Biden , he plagiarized some papers and now he is president 🤷‍♂️

[@davidtaylor3284]

Her side will see her as the hero and the victim. And she will make money off of this.

[@TheJhtlag]

so actually we want her to damage the elitist hypocritical institution, right? she's of course there b/c of the institution.

[@alikoubrujup_Italia]

With this Harvard University will be K.O of the top 10 Universities in the World. Congratulations Gay! 🎉🎉 Free Speech, Free Plagiarism 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@remudoctorlak]

Harvard sent out this: "On December 9, the Fellows reviewed the results, which revealed a few instances of inadequate citation. While the analysis found no violation of Harvard’s standards for research misconduct, President Gay is proactively requesting four corrections in two articles to insert citations and quotation marks that were omitted from the original publications." There is no such thing as "inadequate citation." You cite or you don't. Erroneous is possible, wrong page, wrong form. If a citation is inadequate, then it is not a citation and you have plagiarized. There is nothing "proactive" about her corrections: she got caught and is hiding it in plain sight. Adding citations and quotation marks is an admission of plagiarism.

[@StarContract]

If her honorific is not revoked, this effectively discredits all Harvard PhD students (to a small extent). Diversity hire does diverse things.

[@ladyalaina42]

Dr. Swain has ethics and honor. What a difference.

[@tonytrott6318]

The only reason that she was cleared of plagiarism is because of her skin color

[@jakleo337]

And the skin color of the accuser !

[@healing4thysoulministries453]

It's not skin color. As Ms. Swain stated it's "DEI" and that goes way beyond skin color. It's ideology.

[@tonytrott6318]

@@healing4thysoulministries453 no you are wrong she was cleared because she was black a white person would have been found guilty and the fact that you replied and denied it was her dkin color shows that YOU ARE RACIST

[@tonytrott6318]

@@healing4thysoulministries453 racist you are racist

[@rhvoriginals3083]

He said, “It’s almost like she’s stealing.” That’s the definition of plagiarism. Taking someone’s work and presenting it as your own. It’s intellectual theft!

[@elainesrottenbottom296]

Dr Carol Swain is an amazing woman and anyone who doesn't know her story should look her up! She should be a hero for women and or under privileged children. I 1st learned about Dr Sawin on a Thomas Jefferson documentary years ago.

[@MrCampbellambulus]

Carol Swaim is a class act. Claudine owes her a huge apology. If she had any sense of justice Gay should resign

[@ameliac504]

Her PhD committee members should be ashamed and all peer reviewers

[@zentravel1515]

The whole DEI house of cards is beginning to unravel, and not a moment too soon.

[@billshepard2908]

LOL! You are defeating yourselves Einstein. You are a laughing stock, a collective of the weakest links.@@madisynissaquah243

[@zentravel1515]

@@madisynissaquah243 you need to get over your "us" versus "them" via "conservative" versus "liberal" limiting tribal mindset. Take off your victimhood blinders. This is about restoring the meritocracy that made the US the greatest nation in the world for generations, while at the same time not allowing totalitarian dictatorships like China eat our lunch.

[@Usernameusername206]

Fire her!!

[@richardwillford2418]

In what context?

[@kaiwindingwest]

Harvard should hire based on competency, not on sex, gender, race, or skin color.

[@G0rdonFr33man]

Their diplomas are clearly toilet paper.

[@xrrrismickey]

Wow. Why would someone do this? Do people think they're not going to be caught?

[@aldinlee8528]

You don't have to nit-pick as some might consider minor situations of plagiarism, as in academic work, as opposed to commercial ventures. INSTEAD look at the issue at hand. How has Harvard treated matters of student speech in the past. There is a perfect example of their two faced callous double standard. In 2019, Harvard 'expelled' an accepted student by rescinding an offer of admission, before he ever set foot on campus. Perfectly qualified, and accepted, then they discovered he had used the 'n' word on a FB group page post, when he was 16 years old, two years prior to being accepted to Havard. lol. Gone . . . bye bye. Compare that to a student on campus calling for the mu r d e r of Jews, in an environment just short of Kristolnacht levels, with Ms. Gay not able to bring herself to say that it would even be a violation of conduct, let alone a cause for being expelled. You'll have to find the report of it online, YT won't let me insert the link.

[@johnlansing2902]

Now everyone burned by Harvard on issues of free speech should be filing lawsuits ... They have the testimony of harvards president to call on .

[@cwr8618]

thanks for bringing that up.

[@JRPLawyeress1]

I remember the story. They do what they want.

[@dextermoore278]

Ugh. HARVARD'S double standard is so RACIST AND DISGUSTING!!! THEY need to just fire the Black President of HARVARD BEFORE THEY FACE TOTAL RUIN!! MISS GAY WAS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HIRE AND SHE OBVIOUSLY WASN'T QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT. THEY JUST APPOINTED HER PRESIDENT THIS YEAR, 2023, AND SHE HAS ALREADY DESTROYED HER OWN REPUTATION AND SULLIED HARVARD'S REPUTATION IN LESS THAN A YEAR!!! 😂😂😂

[@simplyme135]

Thank you very much for posting this.

[@mikegeld1280]

CG needs to be fired,smh,this is shameful! Harvard has lost all credibility, from this point on if I see it on a CV I will NOT hire the applicant, full stop

[@daliakuwait]

Wow, how open- minded of you. Not everyone at Harvard is problematic. What you said is similar to me saying that all people from the South are racist white trailer trash.

[@rodgerhargoon3402]

She should also examine all the corrupt leaders in Africa .. then she would be able to write 1 million 200 thousand books about all the corrupt leaders....

[@youpie24]

Promoting on academia should be hard. My father spent 2 full years on earning his Phd, from the Netherlands, and 5 weeks before he was done, someone from MIT in the USA submitted the same research. My father could no longer earn a Phd. This was in 1978. After this my father chose to start a family rather than persue another research. Plagiatism is the worst thing you could possibly do! This woman has no right to be on any academic ground. Academia should be what it once was, ruthless and true.

[@wife97]

Professor Swain is the real deal. She has achieved honestly what Claudine Gay despicably stole from her.

[@goldbug7127]

Did anyone else notice that in the second example of plagiarism, she changed the word decrease to increase thereby changing the conclusion of the study?

[@formulaic78]

I did notice that and it's a terrible example of plagiarism. At university I was more of a synonym swapper than a complete reformulationist (which is technically plagiarism although I honestly didn't realise that at the time, perhaps because British mid level universities more encouraged splicing quotes into your own sentences, which is actually a much easier way to find plagiarism than allowing freeform paraphrasing) but I would never have submitted something as blatant as that where she not only lost the meaning of the original but also only changed about ten percent of the words and almost none of the structure. I now teach at a Chinese university and she is the dean of Harvard!

[@bookshelf829]

I noticed that too and it seems almost more egregious than the plagiarism

[@goldbug7127]

Boy, do I hear ya. I spent twenty years in school with a degree in literary criticism which came in handy right here. I got a high score on the LSAT in 1986 but worked as a carpenter instead. They still had openings for short, bald, white men. I lost that job when they had too many old people. Merit might be coming back into fashion, though. I'm holding out hope, not just for me, but for society.@@formulaic78

[@johnlansing2902]

This woman could be holding a can of gasoline with a torch standing beside a burning car and the professors would sign a letter saying it was not her .

[@mayagertsberg9778]

Shame on those so called educators. They are destroying this country

[@richardwillford2418]

Well, it all depends on the context.

[@karenevansville9328]

We need a lot more Carol Swains. She is incredibly intelligent and never shies away from speaking the truth.

[@dg-ov4cf]

If only ALL of her Kind were like HER. We would have a CIVILIZED SOCEITY!!!!!!

[@paulready8897]

That President needs to be fired now!!! Very disgusting behavior esp for a university president. Harvard must have pretty low standards.

[@ideaWorld403]

I went to a good university, but not one as famous or noteworthy as Harvard. They held incredibly high standards for all papers and research. Looking back a huge part of my editing of my dissertation was going through my work with a fine tooth comb to ensure my work was properly referenced and credit given to ideas and passages that were not my own. I knew there would be no excuse for not referencing my paper correctly. President Gay's clear plagiarism is either the result of dishonesty, or sloppiness... either way she was a well educated educated woman by that point who handed in a paper absolutely knowing that she hadn't followed approved standards and rules.

[@FlexibleFlyer50]

And I bet you got a better education at that university than what you'd get at Harvard!

[@williamdrake2315]

I feel that the example of the sentence used here was not plagiarism. What other words would you use to express this thought? On the other hand her defense of genocide was a fireable offense. If you were to use another word ilo of jews Harvard would come down full force. Scorched earth....but for attacking jews....not so much. Edit: There needs to be a citation as to where the data came from ie to the original author.

[@formulaic78]

Basically it is plagiarism because she didn't reword, restructure, cite and reference as you are supposed to. Is it the worst example of plagiarism? No, and probably many students do the same and get away with it. Should the president of Harvard get away with submitting such work and becoming president of Harvard partly on the back of that work? I would argue no. I actually think some of the plagiarism standards are excessive and that what's most important is that you cite and reference correctly at undergrad level. Correct plagiarism is supposed to show that you have actually mastered the knowledge and reproduce it in your own words, but how many undergraduate students do that? Perhaps these highest plagiarism rules should be reserved for PhDs and higher, but that is if course what Ms Gay is.

[@xancypillosi]

@@williamdrake2315only if the racist is democrat. These people have classes saying whiteness is bad. You literally can do this to aryans and no congressional hearing will be had. In fact, they’d arrest the aryans and declare them whatever the activists say they are.

[@FlexibleFlyer50]

@@formulaic78 I taught English and history courses, first on the secondary level and then on the university level. I was also a dissertation advisor for 22 years. No excuses---plagiarism is plagiarism. Undergraduate students should know the rules about plagiarism---and most students are honest about citing material that isn't theirs. On the graduate level there is simply no excuse for plagiarism, period. "Standards are not excessive," and there are numerous websites, composition texts, and formal textbooks devoted solely to various documentation styles to guide any academic or professional writer as to correctness of notations, Works Cited, Bibliography, etc. Your post suggests the slippery slope---students on the undergraduate level possibly can get away with plagiarism because they don't know the rules or don't care to follow them. However, if those students move on to graduate level work, then what happens? Does a lightbulb go on and flash, "Now you must document your sources correctly because you're in grad school," or will students continue to engage in that little bit of plagiarism because they can get away with it and it just slips under the cracks? The rules about academic honesty exist for a reason: so that people don't "borrow/steal" someone else's words, ideas, or work. I've seen academic standards erode year after year, with the curriculum dumbed down to meet the lowest common denominator of students now going to college. We see people across all walks of life cheating, stealing, declaring ideas to be their own when those ideas belong to someone else. Ethical standards, integrity, and academic honesty are not too much to ask in an environment where students are asked to submit THEIR work and not the work or ideas of someone else. Maybe honesty and integrity have gone out the proverbial window today, along with so many other things in life. If plagiarism is allowed and even condoned, then why bother to have students attend college or a university at all? Why bother to invest in the time, energy and effort it takes to complete and successfully pass a course when students can just take someone else's work, call it their own, and sail happily into the sunset with a degree that negates academic honesty and genuine learning--by simply borrowing someone else's ideas and claiming those words/ideas as their own?

[@ladyd8339]

Don't they always get a pass, but they are oppressed! Go figure!

[@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108]

Do you know the history of your racist race

[@Sonturist]

Who is They?

[@SynnJynn]

I remember when I went to college, plagiarizing was not tolerated. I guess some people are above the rules.

[@russellziske7385]

The fact that Claude’s last name is Gay is just precious

[@risingstar67]

Yeesh... Assuming for a moment that what Ms Swain said is true, this does not look good for Ms. Gay or Harvard. It looks like the DEI movement is getting another hit. I suspect Harvard will do little about this and triple down their support of Ms. Gay. Goodness only knows what Ms. Gay would need to do at this point to get reprimanded.

[@garyw.9628]

A well-spoken and lovely lady. Kudos to you Ms. Swain on your humanity and your achievements. I also like the fact that you didn't take the interviewer's leading questions to go for the low-blow against Ms. Gay, but instead gave more general and far-reaching answers to the questions.

[@OtagesBringthemhome_NOW]

I just noticed something very important in the 2nd explample of her plagiarism, she ALSO actually CHANGED the word DECREASE into INCREASE. Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Unbelievable !

[@user-tt1ye4qs4f]

Claudine Gay, "Plagiarism, Genocide, ... it's as if she could burn down a Wendy's restaurant and only get a $500 fine and probation."

[@petepeterson5337]

Wow - Carol Swain is a person I haven't heard in a while; she has always been magnificent, and I recommend to anyone reading about her compelling life story. She is smart and entertaining.

[@HoTrEtArDeDcHiXx]

Rephrasing things isn’t her strong suit 😐

[@anthonyclarke5579]

Ah, but it depends in what "context".

[@HoTrEtArDeDcHiXx]

@@anthonyclarke5579 Says she 🙄

[@anthonyclarke5579]

@@richardwillford2418 Would anyone like a little more dressing on the word salad?

[@GianmarioScotti]

No, that would take effort.

[@andykapp9581]

Swain is an Auntie Ruckus. In 2002, Swain argued against reparations for American descendants of slaves during an event at Delaware State University, a historically black university.[50] In 2005, she called for President George W. Bush to issue a formal apology to African Americans for the institution of slavery.[51] She also wrote a policy document on the subject for the Heartland Institute.[52] When an apology was eventually issued in 2009, during the presidency of Barack Obama, she called it "meaningless"[53] and expressed disappointment that it did not happen under the previous president, a Republican, as "it would have shed that racist scab on the party."[53] In October 2009, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) mentioned Swain in a critique of A Conversation About Race, a documentary directed by Craig Bodeker that contends that racism is not an issue in America. The SPLC stated that the film had been well-received among white supremacist organizations, and that the film's director gave interviews to white supremacist publications to promote it. The SPLC noted that Swain was one of the few mainstream figures who had endorsed the film.[54] Swain stated that the content of the film could be effectively used in social science classes to encourage debate,[55] called the SPLC article a smear, and claimed that the SPLC was retaliating against her for past criticism of the organization.[56] Swain called the re-election of President Barack Obama in 2012 "a very scary situation".[2] She argued that civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had used the killing of Trayvon Martin to increase voter registration for the Democratic Party,[57] and argued that black-on-white crimes are underreported in the media.[58] She also criticized Martin's mother for failing to address the issues of black-on-black crime rates, unemployment, and abortion in black communities.[59] In July 2016, Swain criticized Black Lives Matter, suggesting it was "a Marxist organization" and "a very destructive force in America."[60][61] She reiterated that it was "pure Marxism" and concluded that it "needs to go".[60][61] In October 2020, a video recording was released which showed her comparing Black Lives Matter to the Ku Klux Klan.[62]

[@barryhaley7430]

The more I learn about this person the more it looks like she got the job in service of DEI rather than merit.

[@momliverpool1150]

Carol Swain is so honorable. I have listened to her for many years and know she is truthful.

[@itsnotfuuny2573]

So does it means Harvard will drop Ethics requirements in their curriculum from now on?

[@B.A.B.G.]

Rules for thee but not for me, ring a bell?

[@fionaforward3358]

Yes,if you are black!

[@howardmenkes2926]

I knew someone who was expelled from Harvard for cheating on a test. His daddy bought his way back in. And then he OD'd. One of Claudine's peers.

[@theresa1305]

This is disgraceful for Harvard.

[@rof8200]

Rules for thee but not for me. - Harvard University

[@Proxima-J-]

“It’s only plagiarism in a certain context” DR Gay …probably

[@GaryVelardo-rb6nw]

Why don't you have a lawsuit against her ? She needs to answer to her activism under false pretenses such as that.

[@gavinlevy1693]

Gay gotta go

[@adriennefried5368]

She is one of the 3 witches from Macbeth, trouble,turmoil, etc...

[@user-ei6cx1pr8r]

😂😂

[@abebeaku8369]

witches of eastwick

[@BrandonSmith-rb1bf]

Ms. Swain is trying HARD to take Claudine's spot in that house, isn't she? 😆

[@idawimberly6137]

Hopefully the students they expelled would sue .they kicked out 27 students for plagiarism but gave her a pass

[@eeverett2]

This sounds familiar. I went to Columbia Teachers College. There was a professor there who asked graduate students to devise a training program for underprivileged adults. Who created the program using their work, packaged and sold it for a lot of money . The graduate students got neither money nor credit, just good grades. The rules against plagiarism apply only to the club. The work of underlings and professors from "lesser" universities is up for grabs.

[@dextermoore278]

That's absolutely FALSE. STUDENTS GET EXPELLED FOR PLAGIARISM.

[@HoldenNY22]

What you're saing is a little unclear. ARe you saying this professor stole all the Graduate Student work, Program and Ideas. Or are you saying the professor used the Underpriveldged adults Ideas and stole them? I beleive you mena the former, but I am not positive.

[@eeverett2]

Reading my comment again, you are right that I was being unclear. What I meant to say was that the professor used the work of his graduate students when he packaged and created this training program for underprivileged adults. The training program taught them how to get a job, from creating a resume and searching for jobs, to handling interviews. It was actually a fantastic and very helpful program but he should have given more credit to the students would did almost all of the work in creating it. @@HoldenNY22

[@Dani-dg4ut]

Oh yeah that happens a lot. Experienced the same thing while attending college from a professor who gave a problem to his class to solve and walked off using the final result as his own. It still goes on.

[@eeverett2]

Yes, and I suspect that some Ivy League professors steal the work of professors from less well regarded schools, especially, someone like Carol Swain, who is conservative and politically opposed to them. The system will most likely not recognize professor Swain's work, or defend it from being plagiarized. @@Dani-dg4ut

[@jdtaxpayer801]

I absolutely love Dr. Swain for always being honest, fair and highly professional...she is an outstanding individual with high ethical standards.

[@PopularMonsterUSA]

So, now, Harvard can't kick anyone out for plagiarism. The ones that got kicked out need to sue.

[@ltkreg]

I don't think Harvard is what it used to be.

[@4real883]

Harvard students can plagiarize from now on. Cheers!

[@johnbrown4568]

Boycott hiring ALL Harvard graduates.

[@Amigos1993]

The fish rot from the head. In Harvard we have a rotten head. Good luck to Harvard. You have plagiarizer as the head of Harvard.

[@arthurschott399]

Thank you for being so honest,and truthful,I have alot of respect for your speaking what really happen,God Bless, brother art,😎

[@mikejoubert601]

Why is the Harvard Board covering for her?

[@lguz386]

Love Carol Swain .She is so humble not full of Herself like some woman .think they know it all God bless you . we need more intelligent woman like her .yes by the way She sure is a trailblazer .

[@jamiewhyte2543]

humble? roflmao. someone who endlessly refers to her "award winning book" is anything but humble. i am unfamiliar with her work. so perhaps she is intelligent. perhaps she is a trail blazer. but humble is off the table.

[@edwardsinger4043]

I hope Dr. Swain gets some book sales from this controversy! She should have a book signing at Harvard.😊

[@deimagnetic]

Expelled/punished students must file a class-action suit against Harvard University for getting rid of them while Gay is allowed to plagiarize. Deplete Hardvard's 100-B endowment by seeking damages worth 300 trillion.

[@Cat-sv7zu]

I admire Carol Swain. Main stream media doesn't give airtime to brilliant thinkers. Her name like Thomas Sowell and many others should be well known. They are inspiring

[@sharonconstan8234]

Appreciate Thomas Sowell. Now will find out more about Carol Swain ❤

[@Dani-dg4ut]

Oh how right you are. I love Thomas Sowell and his work. As an economist but also as a historian he has contributed so much honestly and fairly, Carol Swain I was not aware of but after this interview put her in the same class as Sowell.

[@liona1657]

Thomas Sowell - the brilliant thinker??? I never heard about this Dr Swain, but she sounds like one of those Trump supporters.

[@donpietruk1517]

​@@liona1657Dr. Swain was writing books and articles well before Mr. Trump was a thought to most Americans. Her seminal book largely covered the same ground as Dr. Gays PhD thesis. She is well known among those of us who follow Political Science discourse. By today's standards she is considered conservative. Back when she wrote her most important work she was considered main stream and a respected researcher. Her biggest sin in the minds of progressives was that she wouldn't support affirmative action.

[@joeking9061]

@@liona1657 shes been around a while. Even before Trump was thinking about running for office. She is a conservative so the media wont give her airtime and they ignore her writings and ideas. She is brilliant!

[@libertycoffeehouse3944]

I wouldn't worry about it. A Harvard Degree is not very reputable anymore anyway.

[@open-debate]

God bless Carol Swain she's should be on every channel 24/7 !

[@miadavis604]

Does Rolland Fryer have and books out? I looked at amazon and abe books. The titles are there but the books are unavailable 🤔

[@greggbradford7790]

Well said!!! I love you Carol and ALL YOUR WORKS!!! Not people whom steal it and get rewarded for someone elses works!!! Thank you Carol and we support you ALWAYS!!!

[@cathybrewer8958]

She should lose her job but tenure also. Riding on others coat tails to make her look better. Just a token.

[@staceybryceadams9276]

I am a Wharton School of Business student studying AI Management. I included a footnote on the inaccurate assertion in a 12-page paper; it was one sentence above in paragraph You are capable of making mistakes. However, this appears to be stealing credit for other people's efforts.

[@sharkbros.9278]

There has to be something Ms. Swain can do to in retort and desist. Love Carol Swain!

[@liquido2978]

Dr. Carol Swain needs to be recognized as the original author and Dr. Gay’s dissertation called back. Dr. Gay does not belong in the President’s Chair. It’s apparent that she’s not being held to the same standard as everyone else. She is a thief of ideas and can’t defend her own. She needs to be fired.

[@tea4223]

Affirmative action at work.

[@patrickconnor7658]

It's great that the Harvard board is supporting its affirmative action appointee.

[@garyjsimm]

Whenever someone black gets a spot that people like you feel are only for white people, they are there because of affirmative action. You are sad

[@dextermoore278]

SERIOUSLY??? YOU MUST BE JOKING!!!!???? 😂😂😂😂

[@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108]

You poor racist, bitter that she has achieved more than you ever dream off

[@Dani-dg4ut]

I’m sure you are being sarcastic right???

[@patrickconnor7658]

😀@@Dani-dg4ut