No, The James Webb Space Telescope Did Not Disprove the Big Bang (Eric Lerner is Delusional)

Something strange has been happening lately. Lots of people are under the impression that images from the James Webb Space Telescope have somehow proven big bang cosmology wrong. This is very stupid and objectively wrong, but it has caused a confusion among even pro-science people, who have been asking me if there is any legitimacy to such claims. I decided a brief debunk was in order, to shine a spotlight on the fraud behind this frenzy, briefly explain why such a claim is so ridiculous, and link to other resources for further information. Enjoy!
Lerner's dumb article: iai.tv/articles/the-big-bang-...
Astrophysicist Ethan Siegel explains how Lerner is a crackpot: bigthink.com/starts-with-a-ba...
Cosmologist Brian Keating debunks Lerner: • Errors in "The Big Ban...
Astronomer Ned Wright debunks Lerner: www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/le...
Real scientists use an entire appendix to debunk Lerner's mistakes: iopscience.iop.org/article/10...
Wal Thornhill debunk: • Wal Thornhill is a Com...
Electric Universe debunk: • Debunking the Electric...
SAFIRE debunk: • The SAFIRE Project Is ...
Sky Scholar debunk: • Pierre-Marie Robitaill...
Suspicious0bservers debunk: • Suspicious0bservers is...
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[@christontz9034]

Bob Knodel knew the Big Bang didn’t happen decades ago. He proved it by saying “haha yeah right” and then backed up his research with “Oh Please”. Pretty legit scientific research that has stood the test of time. Thanks Bob

[@cliff.allister]

"A 15° per hour drift!". Thanks Bob!

[@alexmicco]

Bob acts like he can just speak things into existence. Talk about conceited.

[@tomzzzen866]

Thanks

[@pureflix8086]

Does he even have a channel anymore? It seems even the flattards have gotten rid of him. I mean, they really got rid of him because he demonstrated a non-static earth, but still...

[@seivaDsugnA]

Next thing you know, democracy's dead...

[@angiebear8727]

The scientific community is in a “frenzy”. I’ve met a few folks from the “scientific community”. Even IF confronted with contrary evidence to a theory I would say the strongest emotional response I’ve seen from them is intrigue followed by logical reasoning. Why do people listen to this type of nonsense? I’m worried for the future.

[@Raydensheraj]

Lack of critical thinking skills and the methodology and philosophy of science.

[@HarvesterYT]

Had us the first half there

[@properlyjenns6691]

Don't worry. The morons are like 0.0000001% of the population. I literally know like 2.500 people and I know zero people who believe this bull. It's such a tiny minority of high-school dropouts smoking weed in mama's basement

[@drawspaceX]

the difference between scientists and most people is intelligence level and methodical thinking. since most people on this planet arent scientist nor educated Id argue that is your reason

[@darkira2129]

I watch the video, it's the production value, visually is very well made.

[@Shiviandemon]

I was honestly waiting for this video. After 5 minutes of watching the clickbait 'Webb Telescope debunks BB' video, I just nodded my head and thought "Dave will debunk this, I'll just wait for that and then read the references" Thank you for keeping honest science honest and ensuring a more informed audience! Your work is heavily appreciated Dave!

[@professorcube5104]

i remember i saw this like a few months ago and got confused so i looked it up and when it said that no, the bb wasn't disproven i just left

[@nobodythisisstupid4888]

@@professorcube5104 literally exactly what I did lol. My knowledge of astronomy of superficial and very out of my realm of study but I knew that sounded fishy because I’d be seeing so much more information in the news if it was true. After looking that up while playing the video I shut it off and have just ignored it since.

[@cabedao11]

i thought the exact same thing loooooooooool

[@williamhatfield8935]

A comment on scientific logic. A human being starts off very small. It grows bigger then dies. It must therefore follow that the Universe started off very small got bigger and will die. The idea that the Universe has always been there and will continue in much the same way as it always has is beyond the grasp of most scientists. Those that disagree are labeled heretics.

[@spooderdan9127]

@@cabedao11 Me to

[@Doivid_]

I’m a 3rd year astrophysics student and my professor brought this up while calling Lerner some choice words 😂

[@vestafreyja]

I'm thinking none of those words were even remotely complimentary.

[@prostatecancergaming9531]

Leged

[@aldunlop4622]

Speak out against these charlatans at every opportunity. The scientific community cannot sit silent.

[@awaiting_YHWH_return]

Why is there so much hostility between people just sharing ideas?

[@Nxck2440]

@@awaiting_YHWH_return it's not the idea that's a problem, it's the way they go about presenting their idea. They assert that their idea is correct and everything else is wrong rather than just asking "hey, why couldn't it be like this?" which would lead to a more productive discussion

[@pugnate666]

I saw this in a "newspaper". I'm a simple engineer and programmer, but also interested in other fields. But especially having watched quite a few videos on this channel, I knew these crackpots exist and what their methods are. So thanks Prof. for helping me train my bullshit-meter and the clarification!

[@EvaLasta]

What do you program?

[@pugnate666]

@@EvaLasta I used to write Python, C++, Javascript (+ Typescript), HTML, Azure CLI and SQL. Currently I'm working as an embedded engineer, so mostly C and continuing C# for tools, etc. Do you work in software, too?

[@natestevenson3083]

@Necate fellow programmer that loves physics as well struggling to actually find work. Any tips? C++,C#, SQL and html/css are my best languages. I've applied thousands of times with little to no success.

[@pugnate666]

@@natestevenson3083 Really depends on where you live, but from my experience: Try finding smaller companies that don't get that much exposure. Companies that are the first hit on a google search tend to be flooded with applications. Every company I've worked for so far was small to mid-sized. (Means, you'll have much more influence on the product as well, which I always enjoyed)

[@asuhdude3510]

@@natestevenson3083 Don’t tell companies that HTML is programming language, they will think you’re delusional

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

It’s fascinating how, “may not have happened in the way previously thought,” always turns into, “definitely didn’t happen at all,” in the minds of these people.

[@anthraxmacabre5200]

I love when people call plasma a gas. They’re different states of matter.

[@dogwalker666]

Indeed.

[@wintergray1221]

Well, when all your school says about plasma is that it's "like lightning or the stuff in fluorescent lights," kids can get the wrong impression.

[@spooder1568]

@@wintergray1221 they’re right by saying that my guy

[@aceclover758]

@@wintergray1221 But lightning is not even a gas. Or a solid or liquid. Its a plasma. Sounds to me the school is failing the kids by not explaining clearly

[@wintergray1221]

@@aceclover758 That was my point. We learned about three states of matter...and plasma, the "weird cousin," was only mentioned vaguely. And this was before NCLB became a thing, so science should have been a more comprehensive part of the curriculum.

[@laxminarayanbhandari855]

"With great amounts of technology and data comes great amounts of idiots." - Uncle Billy

[@qzh00k]

There is a reason lobsters don't type. Lobster Lore

[@RockStump]

Thanks for this debunk. I've been seeing the 'big bang never happened' claim way more than usual since that stupid article & video.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

So did I. It took me less than five seconds to find it debunked.

[@puppyash9656]

I too saw this video. And even being the layperson that I am, I instantly got the feeling that it didn't even make a plausible case for itself. Thanks Dave, for letting me know my suspisions were ell-founded.

[@StormsandSaugeye]

FWIW the original paper was a great read and the snazzy title was actually rather funny as it worked as a perfect panic! at the disco! Spoof title. I know the author of the paper through work (I work for the NRAO) and they just plain have a good sense of humor.

[@playstationarusu]

@@StormsandSaugeye as a panic at the disco fan I need to get further into the science so I too can make science/emo music references

[@StormsandSaugeye]

@@playstationarusu better than mine. I literally wrote a paper that was just called betelgeuse and it was just about the fact that it doesn't appear that there has been a second dredge up yet. Meaning betelgeuse is probably about 100k years still from going supernova

[@StormsandSaugeye]

@@bustavonnutz Dave doesn't though. He doesn't say that their background was why people have no space to talk about something. He says that their arguments are deliberate misrepresentation of data. That's entirely different than an ad hominem. That's just calling bullshit where it exists.

[@StormsandSaugeye]

@@bustavonnutz Does that change the fact that he specifically addressed their claims? You're trying to tone police as though they should be treated with respect while actively lowering the overall standard in this world.

[@anishchandran2284]

You're too good at debunking videos. Keep it up!

[@SlickMcClick]

Thank you! I saw so much of this bs and I couldn't believe how many people believed it.

[@anshumondolakasharia]

I also got confused when I saw that video.

[@InanisNihil]

@@anshumondolakasharia lol i actually at first thought it was just a click bait title as some pro science channels do to get ppl to watch then the video goes to confirm the topics is indeed truth butt just talks about other theories that might give slight different take on things.. butt I noticed immediately that that vid was capping and full of shit and was not that “click bait title” style/method..

[@maddyboombaddybaddy6532]

when ppl tell lies there's usually some who believe it.

[@MacyMaranatha777]

At 7:30 is that supposed to be the earth on the left side? If it is then why is it not "spinning" at the supposed hypersonic speed? lol

[@maddyboombaddybaddy6532]

@@MacyMaranatha777 because it doesn't want to. You can't make it.

[@Thatcher_Lai]

I love your videos Professor Dave! Keep up the good work! We all support you!

[@matchrocket1702]

Dave is like a Sushi chef, deftly cutting his victim to pieces and crafting him into easily digestible tidbits.

[@shortstoshorts5874]

What's next ? support what's trending?

[@uprightape100]

Thanks Dave. We need debunkers more than ever.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

No, we need competent teachers more than ever.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@Zilla oh it's nice seeing you are still here, shit head.

[@uprightape100]

@Zilla Yo Zilla, everything is theoretical, my simpleminded friend.

[@pancakes8670]

@Zilla A lot of people fell for it though. Looks like the new generation of children needs Clickbait explained to them.

[@pdevine999]

You can't debunk a theory with another theory . You can however have an opinion or speculate .

[@rozmarinideas5340]

I sometimes think that I know a fair bit about science, then I try to read physics papers and I realise how little I know. Thanks, Dave for helping to break down these ideas for laymen like me.

[@stuartgray5877]

My company built all of the Mirrors and the deployment and focus mechanisms and electronics. I personally helped test some of those electronics at 5 Kelvin (liquid Helium cooling) The Engineers that designed the motor controls and Multiplexer circuits had a VERY short list of components that they were allowed to use. Not many ICs are certified to work that cold. Much of the design was discrete components.

[@StormsandSaugeye]

I'm envious of you but I'm also happy. I work at the Very Large Array in the front end section and honestly cryo is absolutely evil and nobody can convince me otherwise.

[@stuartgray5877]

@@StormsandSaugeye I was told that the DSN must cool the front end amplifiers with Liquid Helium to still receive the signals from the Voyager spacecraft. Those two spacecraft are only outputting a 1/4 watt of RF energy beyond the orbit of Pluto, and we can still find and LOCK ON the digital data.

[@StormsandSaugeye]

@@stuartgray5877 yeah that entire cooling process takes a few days to complete. Whenever testing a receiver I'd usually set the thing in cool to allow it to completely bleed off residual heat over the weekend. It reduces background noise and allows for the highest possible sensitivity. Back in the 80s the VLA was responsible for the data collection as at the time it was the most sensitive array on the planet. God it's always so nice coming across scientific community colleagues in youtube comments. Usually it's just the lowest common denominator people who respond~

[@chlorineismyperfume]

I'm envious. Involvement in such a great project must feel pretty satisfying.

[@VergilArcanis]

Goddard space flight center? I visited that place back in 2011 during an open house thing they did. The clean rooms were huge

[@rapsahtaa]

I was waiting for you to make this video! Irrational videos with clickbait thumbnails and titles are my pet peeve lol. It's genuinely scary how easily people fall for that sort of thing (given the number of views on any of the aforementioned clickbait videos), it's so dangerous. I'm immensely grateful that there are folks like you who dedicate their time and energy to exposing misinformation, dismantling hoaxes and explaining science in a very straightforward way. Keep up the great job, Dave!

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

The language is the first giant red flag - “proving the theory didn’t happen” (the “theory” didn’t happen? What? It’s a theory!) I’m an English professor not a science prof and the sloppy language the Flerfers and Plasma nutters push is replete with sloppy and deliberately misleading language that confuses the average reader/viewer. Thank you sir!

[@chlorineismyperfume]

Thank YOU, poor language is a dead giveaway.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

"Huh, today's children are growing faster than I expected..." "See? The evolution theory is WRONG!!". "Huh, that mountain range is taller than we expected". "See?? Plate tectonics is WRONG!!". "Huh, distant galaxies are more fully formed than we expected". "See?? Big Bang cosmology is WRONG!!".

[@Yntaktough]

Evolution is one thing i agree with and so is tectonic plates. But big bang? How can the universe be created from nothing?

[@TheJewishRussian]

Dave my man, always delivering the best content! I too, like many others, have been waiting for this video. I remember watching that Future Unity video and questioning the legitimacy of its analysis and claims. I tried doing a bit of independent fact-checking and analysis, but with a full-time job, cats and wife that need attention, and other life stuff, I really did not have the time and decided to wait for any further analysis of JSWT's data from NASA, or other peer-reviewed sources. Thank you for doing what you do, and for taking the time to weed through all the misinformation. It's just crazy that even in the scientific community, there are those that are interested in leading others astray for their own desire for notoriety. You are the man!

[@puppywhimsy]

THANK YOU PROFESSOR!! Awesome breakdown and debunking. The video you were referring to popped up on my page (maybe the algorithm) and I thought it seemed completely silly, so I didn't click on it. Glad to see you tearing it to pieces, and thanks for all the extra links to look into!!

[@DrBrianKeating]

Thanks Professor Dave. This was a fun video. Thanks for the shoutout!

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Thanks for doing the heavy lifting with this nutjob!

[@DrBrianKeating]

😂he’s gonna be back…as consistently unchanging as the Steady State Theory.

[@SAMACAG]

Check the Video: ... invented by fools to fool other fools ... Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius XII and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@jeffroberge]

Thanks Professor Dave. You and Dr. Becky are my 2 go-to science to layperson translators. I saw a bunch of these “the BB is wrong” videos pop up but didn’t bother watching them. I just waited for you and Dr. Becky to give us the truth. Please keep up the great work!

[@UmVtCg]

Niel de Grasse Tyson did also do a great explanation of the Big Bang not being debunked on his show Startalk with co-host Chuck Nice

[@jeffroberge]

@Lureeality 🎶🎵 Dr. Becky is awesome. She doesn't really debunk stuff like Prof Dave but she does a great job of explaining Astronomy and Astrophysics and what's currently going on with that sort of thing. Plus her bloopers at the end are usually rather amusing (specially her singing :)

[@stylesrj]

And I keep seeing those recommended videos to this day with clickbait like: "Neil Degrasse Tyson Dectected THIS Inside A Black Hole & It's TERRIFYING!" By Voyager. It's nearly 20 minutes long. Am I gonna click it? No. There was also another one saying something like how several structures were found at the end of the galaxy with a thumbnail that indicates that it disproves the Big Bang Theory. So much clickbait that's like a day or several hours old and probably based on very recent images that they didn't study, just grabbed on to the first theory they saw for clicks and views... Maybe a follow-up video is needed to address some of these claims or at least something to tell people to stop trying to be "Armchair Astronomers" and to actually study the cosmos instead of clicking on headlines like "JWT dismisses Big Bang thanks to this pic of my dog I took yesterday!"

[@mortenjohansen5781]

The thing with being suspicious in one field sometimes for good reason, is that if you don't go after the facts but just remain suspicious pretty soon you can be fooled 'cause now anything can look suspicious, and thereafter conspiriacies about corrupt scientists etc. get a life of their own.

[@chlorineismyperfume]

Knowing how to determine whether suspicion of anything is warranted is the key to this whole idea, and something everyone in conspiracy theory-land fails miserably. Generally, their reasons for raising suspicion aren't valid in proper context.

[@mortenjohansen5781]

@@chlorineismyperfume For too many people critical thinking is more along the lines of,I don't like ...... normally feeling based,so inconvenient truth gets dismissed.

[@chlorineismyperfume]

@@mortenjohansen5781 ooh yes, absolutely.

[@SAMACAG]

Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius X!! and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@Wilson-Jr]

The Big Bang Theory remains solid in explaining observable phenomena. Serious competing theories DON'T discredit the Big Bang (it predicted phenomena that were observed decades and decades after, with an amazing accuracy). _Cyclic Cosmology_ (supported by Robert Penrose, 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics) is very interesting one and places Big Bang as process - not the beginning. Now... For all those who prefer magical deities, I quote the journalist H. L. Mencken: _"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."_

[@cpukabuto2132]

I was recommended this video too, thought "this sounds sus" and checked the channel. There's so much clickbait and conspiracy theory stuff I didn't give it a watch. Glad to see you covered it.

[@robpullen]

I’ve clicked on a few of these vids as I was interested in some of the titles but I soon got fed up of the click bait titles with no content. You hit the nail on the head when you brought this up and I promised myself I wouldn’t watch another one of these vids lol

[@regrettingwords7773]

Thanks Dave for explaining it to us. Honestly though you should have do so back when it first happened and not a month after but still thanks. Love your videos, respect your audacity, and could you by any chance make a few videos about nanotechnology if you haven’t already?

[@bluepenguin2993]

KZbin needs more people like you, Dave.

[@abrahambaktiar2548]

I am curious about singularity that happened before big-bang. Is that true before big-bang, universe size was just a needle tip with enormous density, 10^93 gr/cc, while densest object observable such as neutron star has density order of 10^14 gr/cc. Is the multi-dimension (up to 11 dimensions) as described by Nima Arkani Hamed has a rigorous proof ? Is it explained the enormous density pre-big-bang ? Is TOV (Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkov) can explain big-bang ? Reference papers appreciated .... Thanks...

[@anonymoususer6037]

The trouble with social media is that, without any quality control on what gets put on there, it's awash with 'contrarianism'. All those loons who can't get their nutty ideas published now have a way to gain an audience. Especially those who think science and peer review is holding us all back.

[@handleismyhandle]

Yeah, it's called freedom of expression. People are allowed to have their own ideas.

[@AmpersAndAI]

@@handleismyhandle Right. That was the most insane take...

[@EdibleREAL]

I thought the video’s title stated the opposite, which shocked me when i saw it

[@anshumondolakasharia]

Thank u. We need more youtubers like u who are honest and don't spread bs. Even I got confused when I saw that video of the big bang never happened.

[@ShudowWolf]

The title of the video alone told me all I needed to know. It's an emotional clickbait title. "It FINALLY disproves--" yes because SO MANY were on the sidelines clambering for the Big Bang to be disproved in the same way we FINALLY reached the Superbowl.

[@mareknovotny5441]

Thank you Dave for the amazing work. I've seen this all over KZbin lately and I immediately knew it was some bs conspiracy.

[@solanceDarkMOW]

As soon as the narrator voice said 'plasma filimentation' everything clicked into place and I could somewhat reliably predict what was going to be said next

[@ravenfree3286]

I've came across "Future Unity" channel in the past and I thought it is a some new science channel. After a minute of watching one of their videos I noticed that something is off. So, I check views and the video I was watching had more than million already and then checked number of comments. There were about 100 of those. This figure was the second thing that struck me, since science channels usually get different ratios (so it might be that they are deleting comments, although this is just a hypothesis based on nothing more than comparision of different channels with similar content). The last thing that turned me completely off was their disclaimer which states that the content they make is for entertainment purposes and that it is based on "facts, rumors and fiction". So basically an admission that you can't trust anything they say in videos and that you should double check everything.

[@stux]

I’ve seen videos from that channel appear in my list but have avoided them based on the titles… glad I have. Also, does the Future Unity narration sound like an attempt at Thunderf00ts delivery style?

[@sergiodominguez9558]

FOR WEEKS I've been in a proxy war of words on that exact video on that channel trying to explain how the discoveries of the James Webb did NOT disprove the big bang theory. Over 2k comments and people still chime in thinking that the channel is correct and it's a big conspiracy. Thank you professor Dave. Genuinely appreciate you taking the time to address this misconception of data and observations

[@hadouradiance3566]

Unrelated but this Lerner guy sounds exactly how he looks.

[@xBINARYGODx]

that "finally" part tells you all you need to. "I wanted to believe it was wrong for so long, and now we finally have the evidence" sort of BS. I am not hoping for anything to be wrong or right - reality is what it is, and entirely does not care for what you want it to be.

[@xBINARYGODx]

That entire channel is misinformation - but it gets clicks, so KZbin will not care IN THIS CASE.

[@SAMACAG]

Check the Video: ... invented by fools to fool other fools ... Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius XII and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@Kenajovski]

JWST is my favourite spacecraft as of now. I love every single photo it takes, and I'm always so excited for the new ones. Great vid mr. Dave

[@qzh00k]

The Parker Solar Probe is way up there in the new knowledge race and I want to be amazed for it. Waiting to be. The orbital path makes samples take years to collect, and it does. What it will tell us? That is is amazing we do this stuff. That probe would support electric universe stories but it doesn't. But then jury is still way out there

[@SAMACAG]

Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius X!! and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@c.augustin]

Oh, I'm sure Eric Lerner *did* understand the wordplay - it's his audience that has no idea of how often scientists and engineers are into in-jokes that only other scientists and engineers will get. Like the Steinlaus in the German Pschyrembel (for non-Germans - the "Steinlaus" was an invention of German comedian Loriot in one of his sketches).

[@marknieuweboer8099]

The names Big Bang and Schrödinger's Cat are in-jokes - and rather cruel ones as long as Hoyle and Schrödinger lived.

[@iggi3985]

This was good! I watched a stream where Bob and friends were breaking down the JWST and highlighting their lack of understanding while asking the simplest of questions.. it was painful!

[@IanMcGarrett]

I kept seeing seeing these reports of JWST disproving The Big Bang Theory and I thought to myself, "So it's all pixies and demons after all, eh? Cool." Now along comes Professor Dave to wreck my day. Anything else you want to spoil for me, Professor? I suppose birds are back to being real. I guess that's a comfort. Is gravity still just a theory? I'd like them to make that one a fact

[@isaiahlambert-gutierrez6208]

What the Fuck! Gravity was proven by Newton in 1687! Why are people like you still in the Fucking gene pool!?!?!

[@PeerAdder]

Have you fallen over recently? That would make gravity a hard fact🤣🤣🤣

[@garyliu6589]

What is the relationship between the last surface of scattering and the boundary of the observable universe? There are theory saying that we are unable to see beyond the observable universe because the light cannot reach us due to the expansion of space in the observable universe. If this is indeed the case, this mean we will not be able to see the last surface of scattering after some period of time? Are we able to calculate how long that period would be?

[@XraynPR]

The CMB was not emitted by any "edge" of the early universe. It is the remnant light of the Recombination Era which happened everywhere in the Universe at that point. While there is something like an edge to the observable universe, the CMB will be visible for pretty much all the time.

[@Ratciclefan]

Is there anything people _won't_ make up to discredit "mainstream" science?

[@SAMACAG]

Check the Video: ... invented by fools to fool other fools ... Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius XII and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@jquest99]

Excellent summary and debunking. The real problem is confirmation bias where people latch on to these ridiculous alternative claims because they desperately want big bang to not be true. But that's because they think that falsifying the big bang somehow means creationism is true.

[@matattacks8724]

Root cause of the pseudoscience in general.

[@AbsentMinded619]

Not at all. The proponents of the disproven, solid-state theory that Lerner is pushing were atheists who wanted a universe without a beginning point. Atheists opposed Big Bang cosmology right up until the cosmic background radiation was discovered. And even then, many complained about the “church of the Big Bang.” The BBT implies a creation.

[@AbsentMinded619]

What you’ll notice now is scientists proposing alternatives to the Big Bang in pop sci, with atheists saying, “I always thought the Big Bang was religious nonsense anyway.” Lots of multiverse hype as well, simply to counter the religious implications of fine tuning, but having no more evidence than there is for a supernatural God.

[@madmintentertainment6268]

Thank you for making this. Im not too knowledgeable on cosmology compared to many other people here but even I thought such a claim was ridiculous especially since the videos in question dont go too deep into their conclusions

[@AlphaOmega1237]

0:45 It's so telling about their frame of mind that they said the word "finally" here.

[@CG_Hali]

Was waiting for this video like others! Been swearing at the crap viral videos that have been infesting my feed for a while now. Hang in there, you looked tired and we can't blame you after going through these crazy videos. But we need you :D

[@isaiahlambert-gutierrez6208]

Thank you. This statement was confusing me as I am a freshman in college. I got scared because I had based my degree on cosmology.

[@bigbrainenergyguy]

Thank you. I'm tired of seeing all these clickbait videos about the James Webb.

[@keveyson]

I just got a clickbait story from these same people saying that science just proved the universe "isn't real." The algorithms are pushing them hard.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

I don't see that stuff

[@TVCorpRPG]

Eric Lerner looks like a Spider Man villain.

[@JerrodAmolyan]

After all these years, after all the information available, the comments are still full of people going "Big Bang is just a theory!" These people have no idea what a scientific theory is.

[@ianw5439]

Yep. Just like the creationists! 'Evolution is just a theory'! D!ckheads.

[@SpoogySock]

Thank god a mature adult made a video about this

[@damadmax]

Sidenote: the animation of jwst at 7:30 is wrong. The dish should not be lit and It's position should be behind earth, seen from the sun. Love your channel. Keep it up.

[@Mindboggler123]

Omg! I was waiting for this! About two months ago I tweeted at Dave about this exact channel about this exact topic, idk if you saw my tweet but I'm glad that you actually debunked it!!!! I was waiting for this

[@thomasbellerive7382]

I saw that exact video and got surprised, and I almost fell for it 😬 I'm not proud of myself

[@AsmodeusMictian]

"Almost". You should be proud. There's no shame in considering other viewpoints, it's how we all learn. Being able to use logic, reason, and deduction to decide fact from fiction is an IMMENSELY valuable skill now more than ever. Keep questioning, keep learning.

[@christopherthompson5400]

Yeah, I was in the exact same boat. The only thing that stopped me from completely buying into it was previously knowledge I had about cmb being predicted by big bang theory.

[@SAMACAG]

Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius X!! and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@Electrical.Perspective]

Yeah I got suckered in for future unity for about a month, then I started quickly realizing it’s just a click bait channel, so glad Dave’s covering it

[@Electrical.Perspective]

@@DanLyndon who subscribed?

[@eziowayne]

Thank you for making this video! It is very important for people to be aware of this especially when Lerner’s video is made so well otherwise, making his claims seem more credible to average people.

[@TheMightyX]

I regret that I’m one of the views for the video you referenced at the beginning. I thought it was a legit video and that they’d talk about how science was intrigued by some unusual findings; instead I got a weird experience where I was like, “That can’t be right…” It was surreal.

[@ZombehDude]

Everyone wants to be Einstein but no one wants to do Einstein shit

[@mozkitolife5437]

The only thing I don’t agree with is naming and shaming. We should be attacking the ideas, not the individual. Science will be just fine even in the presence of the few with unsupported hypotheses. I don’t like seeing science infiltrated with politics. The whole point of scientific discovery is to reveal objective truth without the human garbage of notoriety, pride, embarrassment etc.

[@drsatan9617]

There was no politics here

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Um, what politics? Lerner is a fraud so I call him a fraud and explain how he’s a fraud. Get on board.

[@mozkitolife5437]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains As was presented, Lerner doesn't think he's a fraud. It's like making fun of a special needs person. I'm surprised he's receiving any attention at all.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

@@mozkitolife5437 Well he's defrauding people out of enormous investments in his fusion company, I really don't think any special needs person is capable of doing that, so I don't think it's like that at all.

[@HH-ru4bj]

"...lay people don't have access to all of the sources..." Not particularly to anything here, but your comment did remind me of an argument about the appropriate level of communication tailored toward an audience. I agree we can't expect a lot out of lay ppl, so it's often better to just have an off the cuff conversation, which is also a good approach toward anyone when speaking outside of an area of expertise. I like talking about a lot of different things, but can't really claim to know anything for sure. So when we have someone that claims to be an expert in a field, and is claiming to those who aren't, that they know something, you'll generally get two reactions. One is you're just pissinf in the wind so they'll just take it with a grain of salt, or they may walk away thinking they learned something. I'm all for rjw education of lay ppl like myself and others, but we have our limits.

[@13Icey]

I’m completely fine with models being debunked. It hurts a little since we’d have to unlearn information, but it hurts even more when people use it fuel their own agenda. I’m just here for the pursuit of truth and knowledge. I’m tired of having overwhelming amount of distrust in people, but that’s the price to pay for quality knowledge.

[@teacherella1338]

With people like Dave around I still have hope for humanity! THANK YOU!

[@1SLMusic]

What’s funny is his name is “Lerner”, he claims to be a teacher, and happens to be neither.

[@Schizniit]

If the furthest thing we've seen is only about 300 million years AFTER the big bang, how the hell does that disprove it? Did the guy just miss that part?

[@SAMACAG]

Check the Video: ... invented by fools to fool other fools ... Only Idiots believe in Pope Pius XII and his silly Priest. ... The Bing-Bang-Bong Trash is not even scientific. ... The Universe is infinite. ... :)

[@ishangonehal8893]

the scientifc communinty would never be in a frenzy, they would be infinitely excited about the prospects of a new field.

[@m.c.4674]

I wish that was reality, if we were something better than human maybe that would be true.

[@ishangonehal8893]

@@m.c.4674 This happens with nearly every modern discovery though. When quantam mechanics emerged, it clashed with relativity quite starkly. To this day, scientists are frivolously building particle colliders and making explanations such as string theory, proving their excitement for this new field.

[@Evolcun]

@@m.c.4674 You think the scientific community is the public, the public would freak, but scientists would genuinely be exited and fascinated if something like that were proven wrong, because that is how science works, and that is there entire job, to be curious and learn new things, and not cling to beliefs like religious people.

[@Evolcun]

@@m.c.4674 So yeah, you obviously don't know the mind of a scientist or have the mind of one lol

[@m.c.4674]

@@Evolcun Well scientist are only slightly less clingy than the average person , and that can change clinginess can change depending on what idea is being challenged , how much money is involved , how long the theory has been worked on , number of people who support a theory (how deeply it is rooted in our culture) etc... A scientist brain doesn't function much more different from the general population

[@Charlie-gf4mv]

I really dislike the pseudo scientific youtube channels that are just voice overs stock footage, they get so many views and every video is full of half truths

[@teej008]

It’s all about the ad revenue

[@deki9827]

The fact that the video has so few comments was incredibly sus to me, I didn't watch more than 20 seconds of it and it already felt more "scientific" than scientific.

[@alistairmackintosh9412]

I think the word you're looking for is "sciency" (maybe "sciencey".)

[@deki9827]

@@alistairmackintosh9412 yeah, that. It felt off.

[@uncle0eric]

Thank you for taking this up. I've been addressing this with some people I know who bought into the hype.

[@ryantoth676]

I don't know why by Dave saying "Panic at the Disco" in a disappointed tone is my new favorite thing. I really hope I get to see him say more band names on that tone

[@whispermason8052]

thank you. I'm tired of the click bait declaring James Web disproves ....

[@user-pd6ev9gb7j]

Dave's voice looks very tired in the end. I feel you.

[@JormunB]

Not surprised (but still glad) you covered this one! Here's one more voice in the chorus thanking you for putting the quietus on Lerner's crap.

[@dethspud]

Another great debunk. Well done once again Dave! Huzzah! Yeah, the YT algorithm has been suggesting that FutureUnity video for an annoyingly long time now.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

For a guy named "Eric Lerner" he's surprisingly uninformed.

[@lod4246]

His name mispelled 'learner', so maybe it's not that surprising.

[@yabutmaybenot.6433]

Just his photos were enough to tell me what I needed to know about him.

[@themadwarden6603]

Saw a post about this earlier, went straight to your channel to check if it was genuine (considering how vague the post was, seemed unusual). Glad I found this video.

[@musehivision1864]

Same

[@hotblackdesiato3022]

If you want an American to believe your BS, get a narrator with a British accent for your YT video. Outstanding job as always, Dave!

[@oliversotir3914]

Finally some common sense. Albeit being theistic myself, I was quite upset at the outlandish postulations being thrown around that were highly unscientific. Since I consider cosmology to be one of my favorite scientific subjects, I am quite invested in the JWST mission and the findings therein.

[@oliversotir3914]

Another interesting thing to point out is that intially the Big Bang was attempted to be refuted by several theories spanning decades from when the first discoveries were made that pointed to the universe expanding and coincidentally, a point of origin. This was seen somewhat as a form of evidence of the genesis of the universe as simplified in the Bible. Many scientists that adhered to atheism, naturalism, etc. did not like this idea which is why it was attempted to be refuted. Why would scientists go out of their way to conspire about something which did not even support their worldview at the time? (Most believed that the universe was eternal before the Big Bang theory was discovered and proven). It is oxymoron.

[@daytonwhite9507]

@@oliversotir3914 hm.. I'm very interested in cosmology as well and I had never heard that! Thanks so much.

[@Mezza_Luca]

Broad brush strokes aren't kind to anyone. Science deniers being as bad as they are currently, it's unsurprising it gets swung though. Good on you for being the exception.

[@oliversotir3914]

@@daytonwhite9507 No problem, brother!

[@TophinatorStreams]

As a lay-person, I know I could be fooled if I dived head first into today’s “discoveries”. I leave my mind open, but skeptical. This is why I like your channel. Because your explanations go over the various graphs and data and what they mean. Thank you for your ongoing battles against misinformation! 🎉 Sub to Professor Dave Explains, everyone!

[@tomaszlis993]

The image at 8:28 - since when are charges circling/spiraling around magnetic field lines? Lack of understanding of what field lines exactly represent. The lines of EM fields do not exist, there are no lines. The concept of lines was introduced to represent direction and intensity of fields - more lines mean the field in given area is stronger. It doesn't mean there is any actual line of high intensity at the specific location when the line was drawn. And debunking the experiment which causes this misconception: Metal dust near magnets forms lines because of non-even distribution of the metal, not because there are actual lines in fields created by magnets.

[@MrJoosebawkz]

Ive been getting recommended videos from that channel (Future Unity) and had been reaching out to content creators to cover them. Their channel is very strange. Every video’s thumbnail/title is either misleading clickbait or conspiratorial levels of misinformation. _But whats stranger:_ Every video has round 50-100 parent comments but none of the comments have _any_ replies. Even without replies, many of the comments will have 100s if not 1000s of “upvotes”. All positive feedback. Which to me looks like they’re botting / astroturfing their channel. They also seem to try to bring up Elon Musk wherever it’s relevant? They had a video on Nikola Tesla. The title was something like “This Terrifying Prediction Tesla Made Finally Came True”. I clicked it out of curiosity but then it ended up being a 20 minute biography on Tesla’s career with fairly high production value. It never did so much as reference the subject in its title. Instead it ended with the assertion that, thanks to Tesla’s work, Elon Musk was inspired to build his company Tesla, which they claimed is “generating most of the world’s electricity”. It was just this random off-hand comment as if it was such an obvious fact that it didn’t need explaining. Also, some of their content is just straight made up. They don’t always report other grifter’s misinformation.

[@taylorlibby7642]

In a way you have to kind of admire how the pseudo-scientific types just refuse to admit defeat. I'm just glad we've got folks like Prof. Dave in our corner to shout the truth!

[@kahleeb624]

Omg I'm so happy you did a video made by this Voice Over guy. The first video, This guy does the voice on about 20 different channels and every single video they put out is titled with "exciting new discovery" or "amazing New" blab blah and then every single video is just him going on about already known current science and never actually explains anything having to do with the title at all. ... literally same VO guy on soooo many channels that all do and say the same information over and over again constantly spouting about some new life changing discovery....

[@redvsblueftw]

Hey Dave, I figured this would be the best video to ask. Any plans to make a video regarding Rajendra Gupta's claims about the universe being ~27b years old? I'm sure I'm not the only one not well versed enough in cosmology to make sense of it.

[@outputcoupler7819]

Is it just me, or does Eric Lerner look like an even-more-insane-looking Willem Dafoe?

[@pureflix8086]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😤😤😤🤣 OH SHIT!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DeeKate]

THANK YOU FOR GOING OVER THIS!! It made my head hurt when I saw a podcast talk about this. People just don't understand science...

[@_perryperry]

I've seen a vid like that one too but from a different channel, and it really alarms me how it is so easy to just spew out false bs on the internet and fool millions of people. I hope those people would also come across and watch this video. Thanks, professor.

[@The_Diginaut]

The irony of being named Lerner with an inability to learn...tough existence.

[@originalhgc]

If Lerner had any self-awareness, he would propound his theory without showing his face, iykwim

[@andrewjones6693]

Thanks, Dave. They do seem to come out of the woodwork when new chances at cherry picking and quote mining arise!

[@elhartzer1639]

Dave, what do you think of modified newtonian dynamics? I'd love to see a video on that. Great work!

[@ianw5439]

MOND? It is on its death bed. It is only kept alive by people like McGaugh. It requires relativity and dark matter to remain relevant. Why was it invented by Milgrom? To do away with relativity and dark matter! It's a joke. It fails horribly at large scales. It is a waste of space. It has shuffled off its mortal coil, and gone to meet the choir invisible, it is an ex-hypothesis. Et cetera.

[@justsomeguymustache]

i havent watched the whole thing yet, but i saw another video that "disproves" the theory, saying that we live in a stationary universe, and that the matter in between the galaxies are just expanding, giving the illusion that we are speeding through the universe, and that there is no specific point in space where galaxies are more clustered (not talking about 4 or 5 galaxies im talking like thousands). im not a big space person so i dont really care what they are saying, but the whole thing is hard to understand since the theory has been around for so long, it would be quite difficult to find another theory that would be equally used as commonplace.

[@thesysop4998]

I saw these and knew it was obviously incorrect but I didn't really know how to put it into words Thanks dave