Debunking the Electric Universe

I know that I've become known for my flat earth destructions, but now that I've driven that one so far into the ground that it's coming out the other side of the spherical earth, it's time to tackle some other topics. There exists an obscure fad called the electric universe, which tends to attract exemplars of the Dunning-Kruger effect who think they understand physics better than Einstein. Literally. Although not quite as ridiculous as the flat earth, it's still pretty ridiculous, so let's go through the finer points of precisely why that is the case, shall we?
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[@barryon8706]

I'm glad you debunked the Electric Universe! Now can you help me spread the REAL truth with my Coal-Powered Universe theory?

[@xuchsun6564]

Dark matter is actually just fossil fuels we can't see

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

That EU stuff is obvious bunk. But CPU is where the serious science is done.

[@lindamaemullins5151]

👍

[@nasapayrollsystem8701]

Wow ... is it therefore a steam powered universe .. ? like a Victorian universe ? Do I need a top hat ? .... please say yes .. this sounds like the best universe so far ... sign me up In 1899 Charles Duell, US patent office, said "everything that can be invented has been invented." So ... that’s it then

[@barryon8706]

@@nasapayrollsystem8701 You're in! Top hats and bowlers are equally acceptable, but top hats add that extra panache.

[@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes]

You're all wrong! According to Wikipedia: _Electric Universe is the thirteenth studio album by Earth, Wind & Fire, released in November 1983 on Columbia Records._

[@pranavlimaye]

*Damn right!*

[@truu-dl8rp]

You jive turkey. Muahahaha

[@LongDrive-ze9jw]

@@truu-dl8rp Electric Ladyland is there. Lol

[@KrzysiuNet]

Wikipedia lies. Electric Universe at first is a great psytrance band!

[@mikhailman]

I love me some EWF

[@bettercalldelta]

0:25 Are you two friends? Flat Earth: Yes. Electric Universe: No.

[@nebulisnoobis102]

Hahaha

[@LeeGee]

Not a clever way to address a scientific theory.

[@bettercalldelta]

@@LeeGee scientific theory more like pseudoscientific bullsh*t

[@loveitftw]

😂😂

[@VotEtoPizdets]

@@LeeGee I met a Professor of evolutionary biology who legitimately supported the flat earth theory and used his degree in biology in an argument from authority in order to claim himself superior in all ways to anyone who did not subscribe to his misguided ideological presuppositions. That wasnt even the best part, he also argued with me that oxidative phosphorylation is a false process created by big pharma to pump hormones into our children to cause them to hit puberty more quickly. He claims puberty in humans around used to occur in their early to mid 20's. I will never forget that pretentious little man or his thrift store knockoff Nietzsche moustache. When he made the comment about Ox Phos being a lie i cited mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation thermodynamic efficiencies study involving ATP production with the brain liver and heart and i was told to progress further than a masters degree in biomedical engineering. I never said i was taking bio med or that i had a degree. Ive never met someone who was concurrently infuriating and hilariously delusional. One of my most treasured memories right there. You couldnt script a funnier dialogue.

[@paulmahoney7619]

As someone who is studying mechanical engineering, I propose the universe is in fact a giant mechanical orrery that simulates all mechanics of the universe through higher-dimensional gears

[@tiedeman39]

As somebody who works in construction, I propose the universe is all built. The she of the observable universe is obviously just because of shipping delays for equipment. Like in Hitchhiker's a guide to the Galaxy

[@joshyoung1440]

@@tiedeman39 the she of the observable universe?

[@phoenixwithahalfofdragon936]

As somebody who sucks at school and has zero understanding of anything that takes more than 2 braincells to comprehend, I propose the stars are the actual gears

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Praise the Omnisiah

[@dredalorie370]

As a gardener, i propose that the universe is a tree that grows hence the expansion and that stars are just bugs and the planets it's fruits. But my hammer keeps telling me the universe is a nail. He says that about everything though.

[@ibtastico]

video title: "Debunking the electric universe" KZbin Algorithm: *hmmm, seems like flat earth to me!* "

[@superking208]

I was wondering about that too. I think it might have happened automatically because the phrase "flat earth" is in the video description.

[@revenevan11]

He mentioned flat earth within the first 10 or so seconds, and the algorithm reads the auto generated subtitles (and also description) to get an idea of these topics.

[@moarsaur]

@@revenevan11 I got briefly shot down by an automod this way the other day, for talking about how idiotic (as well as ugly) "Darwin Award" jokes are with regard to the pandemic. "You're agreeing with us too explicitly!"

[@StochasticUniverse]

@@moarsaur It's not "idiotic" to call out people who so fiercely oppose basic public health guidelines that they inadvertently cause their own deaths. Didactic is a better word because it's hopefully a teachable moment for all the other covidiots who still have a chance to save themselves from the same fate by just getting the damn vaccine already (before it's too late). They're the only ones getting the hypothetical "Darwin Award", in that case. If someone's grandmother who is vaccinated happens to get covid and dies of it, that is, by definition, not a Darwin Award. You have to cause your own death, willfully, in order to qualify. That's stipulated in the entire premise of Darwin Awards.

[@moarsaur]

@@StochasticUniverse It's idiotic because it reflects nearly as misinformed and simplistic a view of the pandemic as that espoused by the people you're wishing dead.

[@FirstNameLastName-qt2hz]

"Mainstream" scientists have so little regard for Tesla that they named a unit after him

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Tesla did some great things. He also claimed he created a cosmic death ray and loved a pigeon as if it was a woman.

[@petroleumalley]

Nothing wrong with Tesla. He made a few mistakes just like other scientists at those times. It's a pity his mistakes are often being emphasized.

[@FirstNameLastName-qt2hz]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime we all make mistakes

[@j.b.8379]

@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Einstein thought the universe was static, and eternal

[@AAAAAA-zw7oh]

@@j.b.8379 which is far less reasonable than falling in love with a pidgeon.

[@matthewparkins3204]

i love how he progressively becomes more hostile to the flat earthers in every episode ahahaga

[@sweethysteria8737]

This isn’t flat earth, it’s the electric universe It’s still a pseudoscience hoax, but it’s a different idea Many Electric Universes followers don’t believe in a flat earth Edit: I see that your referring to the beginning of the video I get that :3

[@The92Waffles]

Good. We should all be hostile to FE'ers and proponents of electric universe. These beliefs are so utterly beyond ridiculous

[@coenraadloubser5768]

He should employ the strategy of explaining how curiosity is good, how they can make something useful of it, and how the earth could be flat from a very specially warped perspective... Maybe one where we counted in base Pi, and our cars had 3.141 unPi wheels.

[@Reticuli]

Going after flat earthers and EU proponents is still like shooting fish in a barrel, though. The latter barrel might be a little murkier on the top or have fewer fish, but at a certain point it becomes like beating a dead horse or kicking someone when they're down or when Jared Leto's getting wailed on in Fight Club. It would be sort of funny if the EU people managed to find out something, though not revolutionary or debunking of Einstein, but still useful or heretofore unknown (or maybe forgotten recently) with all the money and time they're dumping into studying electricity and plasma devoid of any other ideas. With people like Puthoff getting involved with some of the EU folks, though, that increasingly looks unlikely, and their crack pottery quality seems to be solidifying. Those who have been promoting this stuff really should be the ones making these sorts of videos debunking their own views to save their reputation... like the crack pottery barn rule.

[@matthewnelson6957]

@@The92Waffles Says the guy who believes he's stuck to a spinning peice of rock

[@BeekersSqueakers]

7:37 "Why don't magnets stick to us?" Um, clearly someone hasn't taken their Covid vaccine. *I'm joking, of course.

[@Ravaxr]

I would have loved to see one of those local trustees idly trying to pick up a coin with a magnet while one of those people are ranting, then stick the coin to their forehead.

[@pomodorino1766]

@@Ravaxr dude I've got my two doses plus the booster and I still can't pick coins from the fountain. I want a refund!

[@EmeraldArchive]

The fact that you have to say you're joking really shows that we live in a society

[@neutrino78x]

@@EmeraldArchive nah man we've also landed men on the moon, split the atom, and created powerful computers that have advanced our quality of life. That's like saying "some uneducated serfs in the time of Newton thought the Earth was flat, therefore Newton's genius is to be ignored and in fact the serfs represented the worth of human society at that time"

[@EmeraldArchive]

@@neutrino78x what the fuck are you on about?

[@DragoCyan]

When Prof Dave said that some physics knowledge was needed to debunk this ridiculousness, I thought it would be graduate level theory. Thankfully it was just highschool level physics.

[@aidanmatthewgalea7761]

unfortunately a lot of the people who fall for this are not high-school levels of skeptic or intelligent

[@notthis9586]

Think you might be overestimating modern high schools... Like I can't effectively debunk electric universe talking points because it only plays offense, and gish-gallops, and engages in what aboutisms constantly. I would need the actual physics and history of science in front of me to effectively argue against it, and even then they'll call me brainwashed by the Newtonian institution. Takes a lot to talk down stupid is all Im saying XD

[@aidanmatthewgalea7761]

@@notthis9586 i mean, here in europe, at least under a british education system this is all secondary school physics: 12 year olds know this stuff as basic syllabus.

[@sean5364]

@@aidanmatthewgalea7761 in the US public school doesn’t have physics till late high school, last 2 years (3) if your ahead, and even then you don’t have to take it. I never took physics instead opting for higher level chemistry and biology. So for many people like me who weren’t interested in physics at the time we get our physics from KZbin

[@achyuththouta6957]

@@sean5364 Wow this is strange. I heard that university courses in US are highly difficult. How do people cope with that if they didn't have physics until high school? I'm assuming that people from the US find college a lot more challenging than high school because the gap would be so huge.

[@metalsmith3234]

Title: “debunking the electric universe” Me: the what?

[@elweon8754]

Watt*

[@treid100182]

@@BenGrem917 All due respect, Cani: The Theory of GR fails from the beginning, mathematically speaking, because it changes "zero" into infinity. Any mathematician not afraid to tell the truth, will resond...

[@freddan6fly]

@@treid100182 Yes I will respond to you: go back to school, you have no clue on science, math or GR.

[@freddan6fly]

@@atum7355 There are exactly zero proof of electrical universe.

[@freddan6fly]

@@atum7355 you talk like a midget with a butterfly brain. The energy out of safire as sun model gives approx the same energy as Jupiter, 145K at the surface. Last I checked the temperature of the sun was 6000K. So no I am not a midget, I am an Engineer with basically the same education in physics and math as Bachelor of Physics. Thrust me when I say no sane Ph.D in Physics, Math or Engineering believe in the 3:rd most stupid conspiracy theory, after flat earth and young earth creationists. Go back to school.

[@ObservantHistorian]

"Does not offer a working model." The bane of conspiracy theorists everywhere.

[@GiggaGMikeE]

Personally i prefer when the universe was acoustic, before they sold out and went mainstream.

[@petroleumalley]

EU unplugged.

[@SP_3333]

"Earth, Wind, & Fire's “Electric Universe” album in 1983 broke a string of 11 straight gold or platinum LPs and led to a four-year hiatus. During the break, group members Maurice White and Philip Bailey worked on separate projects and, mainly, sought to revitalize their creative energies." I believe there may be a copyright issue here.

[@RadeticDaniel]

It was a whole thing back then apparently. Brazilian singer and composer Tim Maia released in 1975 an album titled "imunização racional" (rational imunization), following a cult that claimed bitter, angry, sorrowful people were all badly magnetized and needed to discharge so they could recover their health. Not surprised to hear Earth, Wind and Fire had a similar career patch less than 10 years later, since it is still close and these things hunt for artists like the scientology bunch

[@ericmckenzie1221]

Electric Universe DESTROYED by earth, wind, and fire

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Not only is this legend battling the flat earthers but debunking other fallacious claims too. Thank you, Dave.

[@Hygix_]

Oh you are a fan of science too huh

[@Auvisome]

If only he'd debunk some of the "Initial State GER" claims. *Jotaro Dies in Part 6*

[@lumpi472]

Omg this guy is everywhere

[@asher3311]

@Asyam Abyan rip

[@xebek]

*Pulls off flesh-colored tape peeling from upper lip* Aha! You had a mustache all along!

[@johnlevin4567]

Professor Dave in an alternate electric universe: Debunking the gravitational universe

[@eric-jr2nf]

Lol, this made me laugh 😃😃😃

[@handledav]

no

[@revenevan11]

Came here from PBS Spacetime! Glad you've made this video, these people drive me crazy in the comments section on any Spacetime video that even tangentially involves dark matter or electromagnetism or gravity, so I'm very excited to hear your take on the psychology of them and this belief.

[@ldbarthel]

Likewise stopped by after the ZTF J1901+1458 video. Now, if I'm understanding the info on magnetic fields correctly, the galactic magnetic field may be a factor in *where* gas concentrations form, but once enough gas is there, gravity takes over the production of the new star and its proto-planetary disc. Which unfortunately, might be enough "evidence" for EU'ers. Sigh.

[@SuperTonyony]

Thirded.

[@anarchyantz1564]

@@SuperTonyony Fouthed. Came here as never heard about this "Electric Universe" thing. Is this something more American?

[@FredericoKlein]

Coming from PBS Spacetime and never having heard of this theory before I had seconds to prepare me to what it was and I just started imagining what kind of bs they would be pushing through. Turns out what I imagined was (at least to me) much more interesting than this, so I will share, because maybe someone will find interesting. So my bs theory of electric universe, was that much like magnetism is "rotational" electricity, maybe gravitation is also derived from them; it is like the sum of the higher order interactions (like rotation of magnetism, and rotation of rotation of rotation) and so on, and those forces combined, which have a much smaller magnitude, give something that behaves like gravity. It is similar to the idea of feynman diagrams (with the infinite sums thing), so maybe this will have some allure. Also you can argue that even though sums of interactions of single charges cancel out, once you take into account interactions of dipoles, quadripoles and octopoles, they stop cancelling out perfectly, and there would always be a statistical residual. I am pretty sure you can even come up with some maths to justify this bs, so there you have it, my bs theory.

[@NewNecro]

@simpsons Bart Apples fall to ground. Conspiracy nuts debunked centuries before they were even born.

[@dragondodger8322]

That plasma image looks suspiciously like an orange cut in half:- Therefore Gravity is fruit based

[@rudiekazu]

LOL....that made me laugh....thanks

[@truu-dl8rp]

You're just fruit biased.

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

Proponents of the Orange Earth Theory would rather you say that gravity is _citrus-based!_

[@waynebow-gu7wr]

Get your facts right... Neil Degrass Tyson reckons the earth is supposed to be PEAR shaped ! ha ha vegan science !

[@autobotstarscream765]

Or fruit is gravity-based, that's why apples fall from trees. 🍎🌳

[@cargo_vroom9729]

What is it with all the fringe beliefs hating on gravity? What did gravity ever do to them?

[@johnwarosa2905]

They were dropped on the head because of gravity

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

That's easy. Because gravity is what "the mainstream" believes and anything that "the mainstream" believes" must be evil. I wish I was making this up.

[@San_Vito]

It has nothing to do with Einstein being jewish at all... nope... that's not it...

[@ThatCrazyKid0007]

Because there are anomalies that General Relativity alone can't account for and think it's bullshit how many 'dark' fudge factors are added to make the equations work, even though that's literally the scientific process to refine your model to match observations more accurately and figure out why your model doesn't work without these modifications. They are also pissed tax dollars are being spent on research that is not yielding enough results, even though eliminating possible explanations is literally how science advances in order to get closer to the actual explanation. Their shortcomings feed their already inherent distrust of the establishment because it doesn't line up with how they think the world should be. The sad thing is they completely miss out on the fact physicists are the first to acknowledge the limits of our current theories and that a lot of work is left to be done, as well as taking the assumptions that they do as assumptions and not facts they base their work off of and will quickly readjust them should any evidence come up to suggest them to do so.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@ThatCrazyKid0007 _"They are also pissed tax dollars are being spent on research that is not yielding enough results"_ Like how we just managed to punch an asteroid and take a sample or how we managed to get a probe closer to the sun than ever before even during pandemic lockdown? Yea, those things sucked didn't they? I mean we landed on the moon around 50 years ago right? And we still haven't figured out the entire origin of the universe in that time? How lame is that? I mean cancer research started around the 1770's and there's no way that cancer is more complicated than the start of the universe right bro? We totally need a new approach because there's no way that humans shouldn't have this figured out in like 6 months right bro?

[@deadk133]

Thanks to Matt at Spacetime for sending me to this channel! The only downside is that I now know that this ridiculous, vaguely sciencey, conspiracy theory exists. But, its always good to be reminded to keep a healthy scepticism when faced with extraordinary claims.

[@XraynPR]

Those people frequent many other astrophysics or science channels, including Dr. Becky and Anton Petrov. I like seeing those channels giving them a little pushback, and Dave does it in a fittingly sarcastic manner

[@alexthomas5633]

If you enjoyed this video, you should absolutely check out all of professor Dave's other debunks. They're excellent.

[@nicholashylton6857]

Ditto. I knew all about the Electric Universe nonsense but I would never have found this channel without its mention on SpaceTime.

[@alexthomas5633]

@@earlysda I genuinely can't imagine a rational human could watch this video in it's entirety and come to that conclusion. The only explanation is that you didn't actually watch the video.

[@t0kinl3lunts]

@@alexthomas5633 Not that they are completely irrational?

[@prosefessional2387]

Im glad my first introduction to this was your video, because this is something a younger me might’ve fallen for

[@crystal.balls612]

That was a close call, thank the self proclaimed science gods the excess fluoride and the all pervading omnipresent nonstop propaganda successfully cured you from independent thinking and prevented you from developing discernment or into an autonomous free individual instead of a sheep!

[@nazarsoroka23]

“now that we’ve grounded ourselves a bit.” 😂

[@BasedPureblood]

I was about to comment the same thing lmao.

[@hassanahmed2275]

These guys need to be more down to earth like Mr Dave here. :D

[@yourbiggestfan395]

@@hassanahmed2275 I think the people who think there's an reference point in an electrical circuit are the most grounded.

[@ivoryas1696]

@@yourbiggestfan395 Wait... which people are those?

[@roseproctor3177]

Lol that got me too

[@TheGargantuanLeviathan]

The only positive thing about flat earthers is that they make me feel smart.

[@pickukumar8931]

Lmao🤣🤣🤣

[@n8ture690]

Lol definitely a positive.... Though it helps make my outlook on humanity more grim as well.

[@ManOnTheRange]

2nd positive thing is they make laugh :) i know its not OK to make fun of mentally ill people but anyway :D

[@Gamdizem]

Smart? They make me feel like a god.

[@mykobe981]

What's really funny is, that's exactly how they feel about us. The true allure of 'flat-earth' is; "I have special knowledge you don't". Imo, it's just a tool insecure people use to feel better about themselves.

[@Montesama314]

"You can't explain X, therefore my claim of Y is right" is such religious apologist bullcrap.

[@aelolul]

24:40 Pyramids are spaceships? ahahaha don't be ridiculous. We all know that pyramids are the *landing pads* of spaceships.

[@ldbarthel]

And there's another Stargate fan.... :-)

[@NikoLiabotis]

All hail anubis

[@yeetmeister0704]

I thought they were the energy suplies for spaceships

[@Ratchet4647]

I assume you're joking but there are indeed people who are ancient aliens types who think they're part of some landing area for spaceships, and that they're beacons or guidelines for the incoming ships

[@yeetmeister0704]

@@Ratchet4647 im joking but qho knows

[@donready119]

10:24 "All charges cancel out". They certainly don't in plasma. Plasma can form counter rotating stacked double layers where one layer is negative, the other positive.

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

@Ian w16 the Debye length is the distance over which significant "charge separation" can occur.

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

So what? The _total_ charge of these two layers taken together is still zero. _That_ was his point.

[@AlcyonEldara]

That's why a plasma "acts" like a "magnet", with a dipole. And "magnetic" type forces decrease really fast with distance. I keep being vague because if you understood your own comment, you wouldn't have posted it.

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

@@AlcyonEldara "That's why a plasma "acts" like a "magnet", with a dipole." No, it doesn't. Wheree did you get that from?! "I keep being vague because" Because you know yourseld that you write nonsense. "if you understood your own comment, you wouldn't have posted it." Pot. Kettle. Black.

[@AlcyonEldara]

@@bjornfeuerbacher5514 hilarious coming from a moron who doesn't even understand the notion of Debye length. At distances way larger than this length, a plasma is electrically neutral and has a magnetic field. The end.

[@CptChaos-ju8ix]

I think we are living in a chocolade universe. Because for some reason I am - and most people I know - definitely attracted to chocodlade... Granted there seems to be a link to gravity, because I become heavier and heavier when I eat it. Mhhh. I going to do some more research, I guess...

[@CptChaos-ju8ix]

@Q - AGEIDO Some weird things are happening. For instance, the attraction apparently is not depending on the distance at all. I also am attracted to choclade even without knowing where it is. Currently, I am trying to prove that the Sun is actually a large chunk of hot choclade.

[@CptChaos-ju8ix]

@Q - AGEIDO Brilliant idea! Wanna join in the research? :D

[@garyk1334]

I'm not so sure . The more chocolade that I attract the more females I seem to repulse . There seems to be an equal & opposite relationship between the two phenomena . As you say more ingestion of chocolade is required for research purposes

[@DiggyPT]

@@voraciousfred no, is speled chocolade. yum.

[@GamesFromSpace]

The universe is clearly based on whisky, so I guess you and I are at war now.

[@LazyEinstein]

Oh my God subbed. If all your other videos are this fantastic, where do I send you all my money?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Check out the debunking playlist I'm sure you'll enjoy several more! Patreon is always there should you wish to support.

[@freddan6fly]

You can buy his book, "Is this wifi organic?"

[@jamiegallier2106]

I appreciate your enthusiasm and ability to convey complex concepts so seemingly effortlessly. ❤

[@taylorasbell7074]

I can't believe decades after Galileo, capernicus, and other amazing break throughs we have there are still people who believe the earth is flat. I have 2 pieces of proof that anyone can test. First climb a mountain, many are reachable without technical gear and from the summit you can see the curvature of our beautiful earth. I know this because I've seen it several times. Second get a cat. After a few months of owning a cat you would realize that if the earth was truly flat cats would have knocked everything off the edge by now

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

This is not about flat earth.

[@taylorasbell7074]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains my apologies, I was watching a sci man dan video and near the end was writing that comment, the auto play KZbin generator played your video and thus my comment was added to both simultaneously. I can understand your frustration, the whole idea of flat earth is as irritating as a ill fitting sock in your shoe but you are too busy to fix it. However I did subscribe to your channel as well because I love learning from my betters. I've noticed that once I understand a subject I assume others must know it too because its now simple for me to understand. You do a great job of avoiding that, and understand that it may be a little difficult for some people to wrap their mind around a foreign concept. Thank you for the awesome vids

[@Stewartthorp]

you have to be 100km above earth's surface to see the curvature (which does exist) You can however watch a boat go over a horizon (I think you would use a Nikon P900000)!

[@treid100182]

EU plasma theorists don't believe the world is flat… In fact, it goes against their entire research … so … what the F are you getting at?

[@nerdzilla1355]

@@treid100182 he commented an explanation for his comment.

[@daddyattitude]

With a heavy heart and much sadness, I must declare that Magneto (Max Eisenhardt) is the god and deity of this electro-manifesto universe. Now it will make sense.

[@yourbiggestfan395]

You worship a false idol for there is only one with the power to control this electro-world with music and oppressive might. She's the creator of minecraft, Harry Potter, and has blue hair. Hatsune Miku.

[@ivoryas1696]

Nazar Soroka Magneto is quite the radical, so this doesn't surprise me very much... 😬

[@kristjanpeil]

Man is a glutton for punishment, sacrificing himself every bloody episode for humanity's benefit like that... :'(

[@marcushendriksen8415]

Funny, I'd be saying that with a light heart! He's always been my favourite mutant in the X Men stories, ever since I was a kid

[@user-pr6ed3ri2k]

199thliker

[@t.j.webster5545]

8:20 "Now that we've grounded ourselves a bit" Oh, Dave, you so cheeky

[@myriahkeays3846]

the gentle way you talk in this video is such whiplash from your later ones where you've had time to become more jaded and just "done" with people being ridiculous lol

[@Nothingseen]

It's genuinely funny once you see the Dave trajectory. Flat Earth, James Tour, and Electric Universe all start out, honestly, as really gentle good faith rebuttals. But then, they're met with anger, arrogant dismissal, or threats by the people pushing the stuff. Each time, Dave realizes that the people he's dealing with aren't interested in having a discussion about reality, they're either hucksters trying to con their way through stuff, narcissists who are convinced they're right for no reason whatsoever, or people so wrapped up in their story about big bad SCIENCE not listening to the little guys that they're not interested in learning anything. So he treats them like the clowns they are. Then people go 'hey why are you so mean,' like he didn't fucking try something different at first and realized that these people need to be treated like the trash they spew because they worm their way into people's minds through even handed treatment.

[@sigmamaleonhisgrindset]

Man, that part about reading textbooks was so relatable. I’m outlining my chemistry textbook and there’s so much about quantum mechanics that I had no clue about. Just looking at the equations and how they’re derived gives me the same feeling that I get when looking through a telescope at night. It’s difficult to see at first, but your brain really does begin to make those connections between math and science. And when it does, it’s awesome!

[@honkhonk8009]

i mean math is just a tool we use to quantify logic. like we normally think of logic as just "if then, then that", but math lets us put that type of logical thinking into actual quantities and shit. its basically teh same thing.

[@mansionoflostspiritsrecords]

YES! Math is the pure logic tool to describe the truth, not the truth itself

[@Srelus]

QM and GR are a one big fiction.

[@jonnyjames862]

I remember just the feeling you describe in my Waves and Optics course sophomore year of college. It’s like the veil of reality has been lifted and you’re allowed to see behind the curtain.

[@astrospect]

I just find it amazing that the eggheads can visualize hypothetical ideas purely with math. Like how Einstein visualized how time slows down around you at the speed of light, and made an equation that explains it. I don't get how math can describe specific things like that, but the fact that it can is astounding. I wish I wasn't completely hopeless at understanding mathematics so I could experience your epiphany.

[@sunseed37]

I suggest a debate with some electric universe proponents, like say, Ben Davidson???

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Stop doing what a con artist on FaceBook tells you. Ask Ben to give you one EU formula that can be used to do anything in reality.

[@wheelsonfeet8511]

@Ian w16 Yeah, I would be scared to...

[@flookd5516]

Justin Kennedy Did he actually give references?

[@thunder88100]

@@flookd5516 He gave links to alll his published and peer reviewed works. :)

[@cmac4641]

@@justinkennedy3004 If you actually look at the link he only has one paper, books are not peer-reviewed. It is not cited by anyone from a NASA center, there is one citation from someone who lists their affiliation as "Geo Cosmo Science and Research Center", which is based in a NASA research park. This a private company unaffiliated with NASA which leases space. It is totally wrong to claim he has paper*s* cited by NASA, both are aspects are false.

[@thegreatgazoo2334]

It was when I read the Velikovsky-type claims that the planets were wandering around just a few thousand years ago that I realized there was less to it than I first thought. Later, I read about the serious hypothesis that some did indeed wander a bit, but not within any kind of human time scale.

[@manuell3505]

Wander? You would be surprised reading real science regarding the history of the solar system. Like asteroid collisions that have spread material all over the place. That knowledge is very solid.

[@uraid]

I saw that movie a while back and acknowledged it as basically meaning "Alright, there's electric charge moving throughout these universal 'filaments' which determines the shape of said filaments. On small scales, though, gravity rules." I thought it was just something they said governed the shape of universal structures. I didn't know it was this mad.

[@JamesHolben]

I would dearly love to see you debate this issue with Ben Davidson. By the way "Professor", how many degrees do you hold? Please answer.

[@athands]

You can literally look at his about page and see his degrees. On the contrary though... Ben Davidson only has degrees in economics and law. I wouldn't be the one to talk about credentials ;)

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

Do you have a Ben t-shirt?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Haha, I have two, in chemistry and science education. How many does Ben hold that are relevant to science? Zero.

[@carlhoward5469]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Funny... I initially took his comment as a sarcastic stab at your constant "appeal to authority". ;-) and..., I'm not seeing much in the way of physics in your cv there.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Apart from the physics I took for my chemistry degree, including an E&M lab, it's irrelevant. I'm not the one contradicting science. I report science. When someone with zero science education thinks they can rewrite physics, they're delusional. That's Ben.

[@guillermoviramontes851]

“Now that we’ve Grounded ourselves” I see what you did there

[@wishusknight3009]

@@sonpopco-op9682 I love how this video twists and straw mans someone in an attempt to claim said person is twisting and straw-manning a nonsensical belief system. Seems like the creator of this video didn't actually watch professor dave, but made assumptions based of a generalized and false caricature. Much like how all pseudoscience peddlers roll. You guys seem to be just a tiny notch above flat earthers for dishonesty and projection.

[@Enoch_BrumbleBush]

I was introduced to Electric universe theory by watching Ken Wheeler and occasionally it has popped into my mind. Glad to have a good debunking. Now what about Wolfram physics?

[@Enoch_BrumbleBush]

@@DrWhom Thanks for insight, I really appreciate it!

[@lauravillanueva2175]

I love your content it’s honestly refreshing to see something on KZbin that provides clarity and discussion, having just found your debating videos and the like. I’m a little worried that you may think that some of us without the strength in math and science aren’t going to necessarily understand the concept of some of the things you talk about. Speaking for myself, I’m down to learn more, and I think people like me seek out information for ourselves to see what we can best be capable of doing with newly acquired knowledge. I’m not sure why there’s so much disrespect involved with learning that a flat earth or electrical universe doesn’t exactly jive, but I for one, appreciate your help to understanding the science and other aspects of the debate on such silly topics. It is my hope that you know how many people might be listening to your explanation and experience in the matters of some of these subjects and that you’re aware that not everyone listening now is closed minded or uneducated. Keep bringing your expertise to the debate.. you’re definitely appreciated.

[@roberrplatt4214]

I saw The Electric Universe at the Fillmore East with Wavy Gravy and The Moving Sidewalks.

[@lindamaemullins5151]

Cool 😜

[@matthewcreaks2147]

I feel bad for tesla, his character has been so butchered in history that he will end up being remembered completely differently and his actual work gets forgotten

[@way2nasty533]

Not entirely, we will always measure magnetic fields in units of Telsa :)

[@kevinfisher1345]

I do as well, anyone going around quoting Tesla while at the same time trying to allege that gravity does not exist, is NO fan of Tesla at all nor understand that he believed in gravity as was working on his _Dynamic theory of gravitation_ unpublished work he kept periodically talking about.

[@kevinfisher1345]

@ThisAintKyle I think you are confusing EU theory with the related but different theory of Plasma Cosmology. And yes I already did a little bit of research into this as I am skeptical person and check sources. This video was in regards to EU theory NOT plasma cosmology. And more specifically it was in regards to videos from The Thunderbolts Project. From their own webpage it states this right on its home page "Was there a big bang? Not likely. Einstein’s Relativity? Doesn’t hold up. Is the Sun a thermonuclear fusion reactor which will eventually run out of fuel and burn out? Nope. Are there black holes? No such thing." Looking into it further on what all it claims, states this "Magnetism, gravity and the nuclear force are various effects produced by charged, orbitally structured protons and electrons in response to an applied electric force. All matter in the universe is connected by the electric force." This is all confirmed with another website electricuniverse. In other words no it does not deny gravity per se, it is saying what we know and call gravity really is not gravity at all. Instead it is allegedly electromagnetic force. So it is indirectly denying gravity .. or at least as we know it. And yes I do regret it because it is complete and utter BS. This implies that everything in the universe MUST be a conducter (whether good or bad conductor) and we know that simply is NOT true. As an engineer with physics, you should know that IF this crap were true that we should easily be able to detect that electric current flow ... yet we can not. You should also know that IF this crap were true we would see different results of gravitational pull with good conductors vs bad conductors ... yet once again that is not the case. Let alone it should not impact non-conductors at all. For example does gravity pull more with conductive copper and less with bad conductor of pure water? Nope. It simply does not hold up even on the very basic level of its suggestion. Now there might be something to some of those other theories such as plasma cosmology, but I kind of doubt it. Tbh physics is not strong suit of mine, so no point in dwelving into such complex things such as plasma until I know physics better ... which just doubt will do as there are tons more interesting things to me. Unlike electric which I do know quite a bit more ... enough to know this is pure BS. I do however partially agree with its main premise that electricity plays more a part than we are aware of, piezoelectrics is all around us and I think more important than we currently realize ... but significant role uhm NO. And it definitely does not replace other forces such as gravity like this theory suggests. If it were so significant role we would be seeing it and detecting it, but we simply do not.

[@pranavlimaye]

@@kevinfisher1345 well said, Sir. Cheers

[@wishusknight3009]

@@AngryHateMusic AHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA 48 minutes of conformation bias, misinterpretation of basic grade 8 cosmology and erroneous conclusions. I had to facepalm a couple of times through that video. This has been done before, and explained way better with much less need to play games of dictionary and obfuscation to push a narritive. I think tesla would dropkick these guys off of his electricity distribution tower.

[@DrStrangeBrew]

First off, I enjoyed the video. There was one thing I disagreed with. Maybe it's because I have a limited experience with the electric universe. I have a friend that has bitten on to the electric universe hook line & sinker. When listening to him and watching some videos that he recommended for me. I had one name in mind that I was looking for, Nikola Tesla. Seems like if we were talking electricity and we are ignoring the mainstream. We'll skip over guys like Michael Faraday. I don't see how the electric Universe could Champion a guy like Nikola Tesla because Tesla was a huge fan of Newton and admittedly used his equations and ideas. Tesla read Principia multiple times as a child like it was fairy tales. So I was really hoping that the electric universe would be into Tesla thinking that would really unravel the web they wove.

[@budmackenzie]

EU does not negate Newton, Tesla was not alive to experience this becoming popular (~60s) AND he demonstrated wireless electricity.

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

"EU does not negate Newton" Huh? EU proponents usually say that Newton's law of gravity is wrong.

[@EpppicRecks]

I love how they just say 'electricity', or 'electrical magnetism' as a excuse like it's a pokemon move or something

[@brettvv7475]

Same with the flaterfers. They use the "perspective" and "refraction" Pokemon.

[@DarkMatterVisible]

@@brettvv7475 Without understanding either in ay capacity.

[@charleshultgren7804]

I mean thunderbolt is a pokemon move so

[@desel8737]

i like to think that the rules that define our universe (and others?) are like puzzle pieces of a really really big universal puzzle. we have already found a few pieces that fit together (with science) and are now wondering how the puzzle will look like when it's complete. and than we have those people who try to complete the universal puzzle by adding cornflakes as puzzle pieces...

[@Endelite]

That'd be the dark matter and dark energy then.

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

Or they just try to smash the pieces together

[@MrBrianms]

In my opinion. you're arguing with your idea of the thunderbolt project. Donald scot explained the electric star model precisely and Wal Thornhill accepted that gravity is there and that the electromagnetic force is much greater. I'm thinking that you haven't watched all the lectures before forming your opinion.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

There is no "electric star model". There's some bullshit paraded as science. It does not correlate with reality. At all. You also misinterpreted what I said about who believes what, likely because you were too triggered by my dismantling of your ridiculous worldview.

[@azerdraco3146]

All great scientific discovery comes from those brave enough to not only question the "entrenched dogma" of the day, but also work to expand and prove their theories. I'm not saying that either side is right or wrong. And yes, our understanding of physics HAS lead to a lot of additional understanding in other fields. But in the same way that the heliocentric system was fought and called idiotic by the mainstream during the time of Copernicus, so too may portions of the Electric universe be true. Never dismiss ANY theory unless you yourself can create or replicate an experiment that either proves or disproves it.

[@fromagefrizzbizz9377]

@@azerdraco3146 Unfortunately, in SAFIRE's case, all we have is SAFIRE's word for any of it, and not enough information for anyone to test it out, and even if it did, it STILL can't explain the discrepencies between EU and the real universe that gravity is so good at explaining. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with the plasma theories surrounding EU. EU itself, however, is a crock and simply doesn't work.

[@mcrrocks897]

@@azerdraco3146 Unfortunately you show fundamental ignorance about the scientific method. The responsibility lays on the proposer of the theory to provide evidence supporting their ideas, it is not up to others to provide evidence to disprove wild and ridiculous theories that fly in the face of preceding evidence.

[@JimmyMcBimmy]

Tinfoil hatters like them do a massive disservice to Tesla. He was a legit scientist who briefly entertained the idea of wireless power at a time when that was legitimately within the realm of theoretical physics. It no longer is. He wasn't a "prophet", he was brilliant, but a man of his time.

[@dogwalker666]

Exactly.

[@NetHacker100]

Why is wireless power not within the realm of theoretical physics anymore apparently? I seem to have missed the memo

[@mikeoxmall69420]

​@@NetHacker100they didn't quite understand how the atmosphere worked and Tesla thought about using it as a comically large capacitor

[@bradleyamor8854]

thank you for this I remember asking Dr. Becky this question so great for you to answer for her. I have seen you talk with her before.

[@Forest_Fifer]

Isn't this all to get rid of gravity, which is necessary for flat earth to work, and that's why there is such an overlap between EU and Flerfism?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

It's why flerfs have espoused EU, but it's not why EU exists.

[@therobot1080]

It connects

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

This is too stupid to even reply to.

[@therobot1080]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains that commenter shares brain cells with a mcchicken fragment

[@Forest_Fifer]

@@osmosisjones4912 "replulsive forces like elections"? Flat Out, is that you?

[@deadturret4049]

The pictures of planets being blown up by lightning would make for good metal album covers

[@ericpode6095]

@@pastramilover1012 your comment made me curious so I looked it up. "Electric Universe" is a psychedelic trance project from Germany formed in 1991 (Wikipedia). Sorry mate, the names taken!

[@sergegodin9621]

@@ericpode6095 Galactic Lightning would work as well if the other one's taken. You could call the album "Canyon Of Destruction". Lol

[@way2nasty533]

people do understand how horrifying that concept is

[@danielfarmer6062]

totally

[@love_heaven]

Thank you Professor Dave. I just recently stumbled upon an electric universe video that has million views. After a few minutes in the video, I felt what they are saying is wrong so I looked you up since I know you debunked flat earth. I learned a lot today.

[@hamon_master1390]

If you were watching the why files he explains that the theory doesnt have a strong basis for reality but "never let the truth get in the way of a good story".

[@damoc6543]

Science and reality have become a battle ground... charlatans abound.... a chunk of ordinary folk who can barely manage their mental health in the modern world think they can challenge 250 years (and more) of diligent step by step scientific questioning, experiment, maths and proofs... having gonged their heads together and heard a sound they liked.... And ... seriously.. THANK YOU... this is quite comprehensive and articulate... I hope this helps some folks who need it.

[@geothon]

Great comment!

[@geothon]

@@earlysda There are observations? Like what?

[@damoc6543]

@@earlysda the video does a very good job summing up the galactic holes in the electric universe non-theory. That really should help you understand if thats what you want. My comment was rather to lament at the lost souls who are taken in by such silliness and I don't mean those who take an interest, indulge their curiosity and have enough basics to smell the bull, it's the folks with few if any basics who think they and their buds have stumbled on Newton or Keplers blunders... its hilarious, ignorant and also scary as such things have become popular. The support of such obvious lies and silliness abounds in so many areas in the modern world also. It's like watching a regression.

[@marcushendriksen8415]

"Gonged their heads together and heard a sound they liked", consider that line officially stolen 👍

[@robertlove8593]

I remember the first time I heard the electric universe. I was shocked! Sorry I just could not resist.

[@TCLucas40]

Well played.

[@Oyasumi05]

@@dedskin1 I'll start listening once you learn how to make a proper sentence, then I'll do some basic research to disprove you

[@freddan6fly]

@@dedskin1 Electrical Universe is just a load of scientific sounding words put together in random order. It has as many scientific papers as flat earth, it has as much science behind it as flat earth, it has as much predictive capabilities as flat earth. It is just con men trying to sound scientific.

[@fuckednegativemind]

Pavle Pavlovic It's a good thing NASA's work is just a small part in all the astrophysics, astronomy, heliophysics and cosmology research. At least your comment shows that you don't know what you're talking about...

[@markokriegel5787]

@@dedskin1 pls tell me something about plasma. Anything. I'm sure u just know nothing about the physics behind ist. And while u are thinking about reading the wikipedia also answere the following: how do u come to the idea of lightning bolds creating hexagonal patterns when hitting something not conducting like the moon?

[@frocat5163]

I will never understand the mentality that drives people to believe that because something is complex and they can't understand it, that thing must be wrong. I'm a pretty well-educated and intelligent person, but I'm thoroughly aware that there are plenty of things I don't know and don't understand. I don't think those things are fake / wrong.

[@CrankyRayy]

I think the reason is because humans think they know everything but we don't really know as much as we think we know. Science is constantly changing after all.

[@madingo02]

I had a friend who believed in this theory so I questioned him on it. The more questions I asked, i realised it wasn't about the science, he wanted to be an outsider going against the mainstream. He also believed in chemtrails, 9/11, cancer isn't real, etc. He's open to any theory as long as it goes against the "mainstream". Its completely a personality issue.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

@@madingo02 This sounds exactly like some people I've known, the same specific beliefs they subscribed to, the same motivations for following those conspiracy theories. One of them was also very prone to falling for scams, like Bitcoin copycats, then when it would inevitably fall through, they'd blame the scammer and then fall for the next one. It's really tough to watch it and fail to help them see the cycle. They would get mad when told it was a scam. I think the mentality of wanting to have a special knowledge and go against the mainstream is part of what made them so gullible for scams--they sought special knowledge, about the nature of the world or about how to get rich quick. It's hard to help people like that.

[@Tinil0]

Man, thank you for this. My dad fell into this particular nonsense about a decade back. He claims it is because of his frustrations with scientists and "Dark Matter" but that's a whole 'nother issue and I won't bore you with his misunderstandings with it. Regardless, it's been...depressing to have someone you care about fall for a fringe theory like this when you otherwise consider them, you know, a rational person. Although he has flirted with conspiracy theories at various times in his life, it was always more as a casual fan, not a true believer, and I don't know any other fringe beliefs he has that are demonstrably false based on a preponderance of available evidence, other than him believing dark matter doesn't exist, which is tied up with this one. Sadly, I probably won't be able to get him to watch this since you don't coddle their feelings enough, so I imagine the first time in the video he hears it be described derogatorily he will just shut down and get defensive. Esp[ecially the comparison with flat eartherism, we actually got in an almost shouting match when I used that analogy before as to why I was so annoyed with his belief when, yes, it doesn't hurt me to have someone else believing something wrong...But still, he can understand why I would be frustrated if it were flat eartherism which is clearly insane, but this is TOTALLY different in his eyes.

[@FutureWorldX]

6:24 from this section, I know that these are compelling questions that you can use to ask on how phenomena can be explained with the current explanation of gravity vs the electric universe model.

[@Philitron128]

Same here but my dad isn't quite as clever as yours. My dad fell into the conspiracy hole decades ago as a truck driver listening to Alex Jones. He believes in some crazy stuff haha. Apparently the queen of England (rip bitch) is the actual ruler of the illuminati/masons/communists/new world order/NASA, and she obtained the ability to control all of these people because she was actually a demon who sat on magical (and I do mean magical in the sense that it gave her magic powers) meteorite which the devil gave her. That's what he really truly believes. It's very frustrating having to speak with him because he is simply detached from reality at this point.

[@bjorndanielsen4680]

Damn son. Turning the one debunk into a double slap of debunking with Flat Earth too within a minute. That's great.

[@PurpleChevron]

"Science-illiterate unemployable simpletons with personality disorders" is the greatest thing I will hear all day.

[@sabin97]

i almost fit that definition(with the exception of science-illiterate) perfectly, and i'm definitely not a flat earther, or antivaxer, or feminist, or libertarian, or drumpf supporter, or anti-gmo, or creationist.....i feel ike i should really take offense.....but somehow i dont feel offended....

[@justdata3650]

I was going say the same thing, it's just hilarious.

[@PurpleChevron]

@@sabin97 I somehow feel that "libertarian" does not fit with the rest of the things you listed.

[@UrbFoxFact]

@@sabin97 good that you don't take offence....but dave is being a dick for mocking the way people speak and for the kind of employment they can or can't do.

[@beneu95]

@@UrbFoxFact When did he mock anyone's type of employment?!!! Unemployable simply means "cannot be employed."

[@sunrazor2622]

By definition, solar winds carrying electric charge _is_ electric current.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

So because the sun emits charged particles, there are magic invisible electric currents connecting every star and every galaxy which powers all of them and relativity isn't true? Got it! Thanks, bud!

[@fromagefrizzbizz9377]

So what? Compare the power inherent in an infinitesimally thin solar wind to a great fat thermonuclear furnace consuming millions of tons of hydrogen per second. The solar wind should be glowing white hot and melting the earth. is it? Nope.

[@shokker2445]

@@northeastslingshot1664 Strong argument there mate.

[@mahlononthemoon2728]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains wow youre dense

[@mahlononthemoon2728]

@@loveleyday exactly

[@theguythatknowssongsfromvi6619]

Interesting the kind of theories people come up with, for monetary gain or not. Are you planning to debunk any other common universe / creation type theory thingies?

[@laurenroseanne8205]

I know someone who has fallen into the flat earth + electric universe stuff, and I'm here because I realised I didn't know enough science to confidently argue with them - at least not after they wouldn't accept all the simple reasons the Earth isn't flat that you can see with your own eyes. After watching some of your videos I now feel like I remember most of what I was taught in school again!

[@xt5tx138]

How can you believe both in flat earth and electric universe?

[@laurenroseanne8205]

@@xt5tx138 no idea, but they do!

[@XraynPR]

@@laurenroseanne8205 is that person also some sort of young Earth creationist?

[@laurenroseanne8205]

@@XraynPR I'm not sure but there is some sort of religious aspect to it yeah

[@XraynPR]

@@laurenroseanne8205 sounds like they just grabbed any internet woo available and stuck it together, must be a handful ...

[@jokerjoe666]

You helped me, helping a friend who fall for the electric Universe. Thanks a lot!!!

[@satoshinakamoto7226]

Yep, helped

[@clubbedsandwich1128]

@@1972martind28 Just because you're not smart enough to get it, it doesn't make it any less true.

[@russell0710]

Electric universe does not deny gravity.

[@user-pk9qo1gd6r]

Do your homework. Many of them claim that, which is strong evidence that there's nothing scientific about the whole thing.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Some of them do, chief. I was debunking everyone at once, the even more crazy along with the regular crazy.

[@istvansipos9940]

that is great news! what testable claim does e.u. make, though?

[@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca]

This seems to be a great debunking, however I love nit-picking: You explained the need to comply with Newtonian gravity on our usual scale, which is obviously given. However, you kinda implied that doing so would require things to act intuitively the same in any scale. General relativity does not do this, and is our best model: a good theory (electric universe has no theory at all, but this argument argues it couldn't possibly ever have) can have significant limits and vastly differing areas, as long as they are derived logically and are not at odds with each other. In general relativity, we see why on earth and on most planetary systems newtonian gravity is so precise: compared to speed of light, the relative velocity of objects we measure is marginal, thus time dilation is neglectable. Secondly right after you lay many good layman examples what theory arguing that electromagnetism is very significant force for everyday objects, on par with gravity, would absolutely need to explain. However it would be fair to acknowledge that hypothetical plausible theory (there is none, and there won't be one. But this line of arguing tries to show us why so it has to be assumed so it can be falsified) would probably be fine explaining only few of these, and the rest carry out naturally. For example: the main interaction is magnetic field: my layman understanding goes as far that I'm quite confident insulation of shoes won't matter. Humans probably don't carry enough current through us, ever, to change how we would interact with hypothetical earth-sized magnet. So we'd explode in MRI, see magnetic objects falling faster and could generate electricity by just moving around. But we wouldn't get lighter by wearing rubber shoes. Similarly if some secret second electronic current was connecting us to earth, the magnetic fields it (we, all the time) would generate would not be the same as super strong poles of a planet. The second one is quite minor point and as the idea is so ridiculous and any earth magnetism theory of gravity would need to re-explain both forces pretty much entirely from scrap. So acknowledging that one or two of the million obvious cases it would struggle with are likely mutually exclusive won't exactly help. However the first point: what if general relativity on scales it disagrees with Newtonian gravity is actually some secret web of electromagnetism is in my opinion more poisonous pseudotheory as it's harder to debunk, and can easily jab back on examples on earth by pointing at general relativity and saying "you don't consider that the falling magnets experience time differently from you either, now do you?". So focusing on it and especially why it can't possibly comply with constant speed of light would in my opinion be a more fruitful starting point. (unless time is now somehow electromagnetic dimension of universe, and all speeds and distances somehow secretly tie into electromagnetism regardless of current, polarity and magnetic fields). Either way, it's quite funny how often bad science is just some quack either trying to write bibble into science or write a new bibble-like mythology from some mixture of astrology and documentaryfilm level understanding of science. Or as it often is, both.

[@twotwo108]

do you understand when you make long thoughtful arguments people cannot reply to it

[@lekhakaananta5864]

I think I understand what your nitpick is. You're saying, if we play devil's advocate, one can make a stronger argument for electric universe by adding in some term in their equations so that the effects are only noticeable at large scales. I want to nitpick your nitpick. Instead of saying "a good theory can have significant limits", I think the correct way to describe it would be more like "there are limits to empirical tests that can be done when the theory predicts a very small difference". I don't know about you, but some people have the wrong assumption that there's a boundary of some sort where physics transition from newtonian to relativistic. There are actually people who say "relativity doesn't apply when going sufficiently slow". No, relativity does apply, it's just that it predicts almost the same behaviour as newtonian physics. Insofar as there is a difference, relativity is still the more accurate over newtonian, even at slow speeds. It's just that in everyday life we don't care about differences so insignificant. But it is there.

[@tomrhodes1629]

Both the Bunker and the Debunker err to presume too much. So, let's get Socrates' input. For, Socrates is one of the foremost authorities on wisdom... Through his genius, Socrates illustrated the fact that wisdom is the ability to know and admit the limits of one's knowledge. Wisdom is knowing that one does NOT know. Wisdom is the opposite of presumption. So... Wisdom is a requirement in order to engage TRUE science. And through the process of elimination, the scientist must admit that which he does NOT know in order to be left standing securely on that which he DOES know. With that in mind... Newton and Einstein described WHAT gravity DOES, which proves correct (with math). But they then theorized WHY gravity does these things. And they theorized HOW gravity does these things. Which led them to theorize WHAT gravity IS. But theories require presumption. And Newton's theories on the latter three topics are acknowledged to be incorrect by modern scientists. And Einstein's theories on these topics have yet to be proved. So, all science really knows is WHAT GRAVITY DOES. And this brings us to human nature, which is the monkey wrench in the gears of science (and philosophy and religion, for that matter).Why? PRESUMPTION; wisdom’s opposite. Men like to think they know things that they do NOT know, as Socrates illustrated so well. And a good psychiatrist knows that this is because men seek a sense of security in this manner. Now, someone with a very high IQ and a PhD (or several PhD's) is going to believe that he can study and experiment and think his way to the answers that he seeks. However, I will ask such a person right now to use math to give me the EXACT circumference of a circle that has a diameter of 10 inches, down to the final decimal. A simple request. But he knows that he cannot honor it. And yet, even Albert Einstein thought that math would allow him to know the Mind of God. So, what high IQ PhD would believe that a simple man with no more than a high school education can know more than he concerning the biggest questions? The simple man who, not by thinking, but by SILENCING his ego mind and LISTENING to the Mind of GOD. For, as it turns, That Mind is ALL that there truly is! And try as it may, science will never be able to dissect or know That Mind. But it CAN listen and learn. "The Book of GOD" at A Course in Truth. Once you have the simple answers to the BIGGEST questions, all others are moot.

[@slowfieldgenerator]

@@tomrhodes1629 1984 much?

[@turkepic3637]

@@tomrhodes1629 Sure , this mind of God give me the exact circumference of a 10 inch diameter circle to the last digit? I though not.

[@sebastianb.3978]

There is one good thing about the electric universe: it gave me a setting for a space adventure that could be fun to map out.

[@Giescul]

I have a feeling that this is going to turn into another back and forth like it did with the globebusters. Can't wait.

[@flookd5516]

MotesYT Predicts how?

[@flookd5516]

MotesYT So your argument is that less than perfect knowledge of the sun means we should summarily dump everything we go and accept conjecture as gospel truth but that’s just gotta be right?

[@pranavlimaye]

@@MotesTV it's spelled "quiet". Go to school. (After the lockdown though)

[@freddan6fly]

@@MotesTV The power of the sun in EU is around the same as the power of Jupiter. Jupiter on the non sunlit side is around -145C. A bit hotter than the surrounding but not by much. Go outside during daytime. Is it bright? Then the EU model is debunked. In EU model it would be pitch dark. The sun surface is in fact 5600 degrees and the sun is hot and bright. Thus EU "model" is debunked.

[@freddan6fly]

@@MotesTV It was a napkin math debunk. But EU model has no math themselves. If you have extraordinary claim, you should provide extraordinary proofs. If you remove fusion from the sun, it is no longer hot. You should provide the math for it. Not just say "you are not even trying really". It is you who should *prove* that the EU model works.

[@brianswindall]

We understand the effects of gravity very well. How it works, not so much. Just saying

[@rasronin]

The effects are similar enough to magnetism that we need to study their similarities and call it what it is, an electro static phenomenon. Hence the electric universe theory.

[@doubleFay]

@@rasronin ???, gravity does not induce currents like magnetism does, gravity has only one charge, unlike electro magnetism. electric universe is nonsense

[@rasronin]

@@doubleFay gravity doesn’t exist just like time. They are phenomena we experience but magnetism exists and is responsible for the attractive and repulsive forces we observe in nature. Now you’re gonna tell me time exists and is some universal constant. Electo-magnetism is far from understood but we can exploit what we know for useful work. Black holes and dark matter are made up.

[@rasronin]

@@doubleFay gravity is not a thing and does not have a charge. You believers remind me of Christians. Believing in imaginary things. Gravity is an electro static phenomenon caused by electromagnetic waves. Show me a gravity wave please.

[@doubleFay]

@@rasronin Sure lets entertain the idea that "Gravity is an electro static phenomenon". So the fact that things are accelerated towards the earth is purely electrostatic. This is demonstrably false. Electrostatic attraction is dependent on the charge (+ -) as well as the ammount of charge. So just by reversing the charge the force should reverse its direction. Also things with twice the charge should expirience twice the force. NONE OF THIS HAPPENS IN REALITY.

[@solveforwhy6518]

3.5k downvotes on a video essentially stating that gravity is real. We truly do live in a society.

[@Dopemische]

Gravity still exists in the EUT... they just say that electromagnetism plays a way bigger role than the standard model assumes. How does gravity explain the allignments of Quasar axes all over the cosmic web? There must be more than just gravity at work. Dark matter cant do that either.

[@macrozone]

@@Dopemische and EU explains that? Can you send a link to the reviewed papers where EU proofs statistically that electromagnetism is responsible for the alignements of quasars?

[@ianw_xvi8784]

@@Dopemische Quasars? EU don't believe in quasars. Quasars are AGNs. Active Galactic Nuclei. Those are black holes spewing out enormous jets. EU don't believe in black holes. Therefore in EU, quasars don't exist. So, they cannot be aligned with anything. QED.

[@ianw_xvi8784]

@@Dopemische _"How does gravity explain the allignments of Quasar axes all over the cosmic web?"_ And further to my previous; EU follow the claims of Arp, that quasars are just mini galaxies, spat out by other galaxies, like wet mogwai! Really dumb idea. Therefore the claim of Arp, and the EUists, is that quasars are not at the distances that redshift tells us they are at, due to having some weird intrinsic redshift, due to motion away from the parent galaxy. The study you mention sees the alignment only based on the redshift distances of those quasars. If Arp was right (he wasn't) then the quasars would be a lot closer, and the alignment with the cosmic web disappears. Of course, we have long since known that there is no correlation between nearer galaxies and quasars. Arp was a victim of a small sample size, pareidolia, and his almost religious belief in the steady-state universe, long after the vast majority of scientists had ditched it due to the overwhelming evidence for the big bang and the LCDM model. That is why nobody takes him seriously anymore.

[@lolly9804]

I knew nothing about this before the conspiracy nut in my life, mentioned it in an arguement we had over whether gravity is real. I got the impression then that he was just mashing science words together. So good to know he was doing just that.

[@NYCFenrir]

Off topic but I'm disappointed in that you didn't go over the "Crisis in Cosmology" paper that came out last year when you covered the early universe in earlier videos.

[@RomanBelisarius]

Suggest it to him directly in posts or write an email to him! Try your best to get heard, and ignore this Kenny Nickell who again like many other comes from pure bad faith/motivation thinking fully bad of Dave (and on the other hand fully believing the gospel of Michio Kaku, even though Michio was likely referring to a different cosmological theory like the old heliocentric from Copernicus or something else on that 10^120 thing). The difference is not that the whole entire model is wrong, and while the time/distance discrepancy between the two methods in the crisis in cosmology is large and noticeable, it's not off by a factor of 10^120. If it however eventually shows it to be, would mean the universe would be 10^120 as much old, (as it is no way 10^-111th of a second young)

[@proxim_24]

the fact that this has so many dislikes is depressing

[@proxim_24]

@Bacon Cheeseberg oh no 😭 i wasn’t writing formally as if the KZbin comment section is a college paper :,(((

[@proxim_24]

@Bacon Cheeseberg if i get to the age of having kids, i’ll be LESS concerned about how people talk in a KZbin comment section. get over yourself.

[@beaudeeley]

You had me convinced at 6:42. Love your work. To be fair though, ‘Electric Universe’ does sound cooler than ‘The Standard Model of Gravity’ 😂

[@roobscoob47]

Never even HEARD of it.... Thanks, Dave!

[@JohnWilliams-lf5xb]

I love your channel! In every video you explain and word everything perfectly for me so that I only need to watch it once. Thank you

[@alfonsoislas5948]

@@osmosisjones4912 when two forces act on an object, but in opposite direction, the vectors are summed, and the net force results in acceleration of matter. Thats why monorails push the train off the tracks, but the EMF is only stronger than gravity when the train is super close to the rail, thus when the two forces are equal, the train can levitate in equilibrium. Also, i get a migrain trying to read your comments

[@phxgen]

@@osmosisjones4912 How English language.

[@wolfster1063]

Yooo a donation buddy

[@cbnewham5633]

"Now we've grounded ourselves..." 😂 Brilliant.

[@DoctorPhobos]

I'm shocked he said that.

[@user-pk9qo1gd6r]

@David Van Doren Ben Davidson is the equivalent of Nathan Oakley: the only things he does is saying how "mainstream" cosmology is wrong and that his "plasma" cosmology is somehow better without giving any conctrete evidence for that: he will dig for cosmological data that he can present as evidence for his hoax without ever elaborating or citing any science papers that would show such a connection, because he knows he can't. He does that so he can sound appealing to laypeople who don't have the required knowledge (which is most people actually, and that's the danger about this type of hoax), so that they hopefully buy his book (only 45 bucks!) conference tickets, or a premium membership on his beautifully professional website. Did you?

[@pranavlimaye]

@@mrsHeather985 ....did you just ruin a wonderful pun for me? •_•

[@wishusknight3009]

@David Van Doren Debate a guy who is clueless about basic grade 4 science? HAHAHAHAHA

[@CHristopherSierzchula]

Descriptions of a force does not explain it

[@darkrulerbob]

I didnt know this was a thing. I was watching a newer video of yours and you mentioned this so i came to watch

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Thank you, Dave. I’m so with your mission. Thank you so much. I stated on another comment on one of your videos that I cannot believe all through humanity so much work has been done for progress and yet so many people are so dumb to reject it was such a ignorance, confident ignorance.

[@russellmillar7132]

Yeah, these days a little bit of stupid goes a long, long way.

[@glumsulk]

Its bc stupid people genuinely dont understand how little they actually understand, and so assume they understand all there is to know. Whereas smart people understand they are actually kinda lacking in knowledge, relative to how much there is to actually learn in the world. Which is where the humility comes from. And the reverse is indeed where the lack of it comes from. Dunning-kruger yadda yadda yadda

[@glumsulk]

@@jaredmoore5232 i mean it depends on what. His ideas on transgenderism are completely dangerous and will do nothing but ruin lives tbh. he is unapologetically, and in fact incredibly patronizingly, pro-trans. To the point where he spouts the mainstream talking points, even though just a basic amount of research coupled with impartiality would show him how wrong he is on the topic. Its the reason why i unsubscribed from his channel; i cant in good faith support someone who believes such dangerous ideas with such fervor. It honestly sucked realizing he was just another brick in the wall of wokies. Oh also if you read thru his comments on any of his more involved videos, like the physics ones, there are plenty of actual engineers and other professionals saying he doesnt actually know what he is talking about... Granted, im not smart enough to verify, but judging on the trans opinion that he has, i was willing to believe them. So now i just watch the flat earth debunk vids when they come up bc they are all great, and the math isnt so crazy that i cant keep up.

[@handledav]

dave is one of the dumb people rejecting the progress

[@quentinhogbladder]

Birkeland Currents ? Made Up ?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

The imaginary ones they are claiming exist, yes.

[@quentinhogbladder]

Professor Dave Explains Imaginary Ones ?

[@moistur3959]

How have I never heard of this before? This one's extra special.

[@pcbuys7281]

because its actually science based off real physicists. keep in mind Einstein was a mathematician. and the fact he's comparing it to flat earth is a huge red flag?

[@wishusknight3009]

@@pcbuys7281 HAHAHAHAHAHA Well, when the EU guys act like flat earthers then it is a fair comparison to make. The only difference is the EU has slightly better word salad, but its just as retarded as thinking the earth is flat.

[@theotherscott]

@@wishusknight3009 people, literally made of charges, laughing at the idea of an electric universe...

[@wishusknight3009]

@@theotherscott And i will laugh at your misunderstanding of basic science.

[@theotherscott]

@@wishusknight3009 lol you have no idea what you're talking about. How could you have possibly come to that conclusion?

[@philipmetts8831]

You know that's really freaky is the way the electric universe theory describes the sun. Like it is liquid and they show wave motions on the sun caught on video. I get one thing though is that iomagnetic levitation of objects is real but that doesn't mean magnetic forces keep us down.

[@marcopivetta7796]

Reason is boring. An electric universe sounds fun and the graphics look cool. That's it.

[@Oswlek]

That, and the allure of being one of the special few who have this particular insight. That seems to be a critical element of most conspiracy theories, religions and pseudo-scientific conjectures.

[@user-ph2ql2vg1d]

graphics which they get from institutions such as NASA which they denounce as Satan incarnate in the same breath

[@JohnSmith-vd6fc]

I was attracted to your electrifying discussion of this subject. Thus you inadvertently proved that the Electric Universe is true.

[@ThErElOaDeR99]

He is using strawman arguments without actually showing any proof, kind of interesting. But, truly weird he says learn science yet shows no backing for all his claims about the Electric Universe being pseudoscience. Truth and Freedom! Peace and Love!

[@fizzy4149]

​@@ThErElOaDeR99 -- Give me one example of something that he should "prove". Generally speaking, Dave's overall contention is that the EU asserts many claims (e.g., The moon's craters are caused by lightning. The Sun is externally powered via an influx of electrical current. etc ...) but they offer no proof for these claims. Are you saying that he (Dave) needs to _prove_ that the EU has no proof? I always thought that the burden of a claim is on the person who is making the claim. Regarding the electric sun model Dave asks, and I'm merely paraphrasing, if the sun is externally powered by electrical currents then why isn't there a map of such currents? It's a question. What is he supposed to prove? The general consensus of the EU community is that "mainstream science" is something akin to a huge corporation, such as an oil company. The EU presents itself as a solar wind upstart that can power the world in a way that's much cleaner and much less expensive. But it's all about money. The general relativity factory has too much at stake. The EU community must be silenced!! So the thousands of people from all over the world, who study things such as general relativity, are in on some sort of conspiracy, to hush the competition so that their theory can continue to flourish. Is this not the idea that the EU community puts out? Well this was one of the topics in this video. I'm at a loss. What should he prove?

[@freddan6fly]

15 seconds debunk of -flat earth- electrical universe: Go outside daytime. Is there light? If so Electrical Universe is debunked, since EU has a model of sun power that would yield about as much power as the not lit side of Jupiter @ 128 Kelvin has a bit warmer than the surrounding but not by much. The sun's surface is in fact around 6000K and bright.

[@Fundsom1]

I actually understand what "per second per second" means now thanks dave

[@jedgrahek1426]

It kind of surprises me that they don't try to piggyback this off of Quantum Field Theory, as there is some actual overlap there, if only in the sense that the universe can be seen/modeled as fields that extend throughout all of space...

[@DeAlpineBro]

A while ago I came across a video comparing Valles Marineris: The Grand Canyon of Mars to the gouges left on a metal plate from a huge electrical discharge. It looked cool; but then the narrator had to open his mouth...

[@The_Laser_Kittens]

I love that you said "as currently understood by physicists." Perfect Science. Holding to what's been proven true while leaving an opening for further knowledge.

[@scotty]

? Nothings been 'proven true' the currently understood models in physics are wrong.

[@GamesFromSpace]

Scientists hate being wrong. They hate it so much that they spend all their time trying to prove themselves wrong, so that they could start being less wrong.

[@Yourwaifuisntreal]

Dude. Kudos for making a video about this "electric universe". It's a subject that's often ignored when it comes to pseudo-science debunking.

[@smashexentertainment676]

Yeah, that bold fat arrogant schmuck Theoria Apostasis even wrote a book about that shit and deletes the comments he doesn't like.

[@Yourwaifuisntreal]

​@@smashexentertainment676 - I had no idea this fat schmuck even existed until you mentioned him. He even has his own take on the 5G TECHNOLOGY, and oh boy, the top comments. Its hard to tell whether or not they're genuine or just trolls screwing with these delusional narcissists. Here are some examples: "I'm ashamed to say in a previous life I was a disinformation agent before I woke up and turned on my masters and leaked the crap they were about.their beyond countries beyond boundaries of all kinds but have united agenda unlike the gen. Population. I don't think they can be stopped but we must try" "don't be concerned about being called a ' conspiracy theorist' , we know the term was invented by the C.I.A to ridicule thinking people. and make us self censor. I am proud to be a Conspiracy Theorist. I made a T-Shirt. When the conspiracies stop the theories will stop." "This extreme trolling is solid proof that 5g is a military weapon ... the trolls seem to swarm on me when I comment on these topics: 5g, vaccines, israel, and believe it or not, FLAT EARTH and NASA fakery! I wonder if they are all part of a nefarious plot somehow ....." "You are obviously over the target..5G is a weapon (simple)...full spectrum dominance, in military use for years and about to go urban for crowd control, tracking and wet works!! ;)" "Labelling something/somebody a 'conspiracy' = silencing and oppressing scrutiny" " This was not a "person" sweet pea. This was Ai. This was the proverbial beast of revelation. Prove me wrong." I'll have to keep an eye on this "Theoria Apostasis" channel.

[@hexzyle]

I'm so glad some of these channels are giving it attention. It's much more convincing than flat earth since its believers do have a basic understanding of science, and is difficult to debunk sometimes because they talk about topics a layperson wouldnt understand. I went through a 8 minute thunderbolts video on my channel and it took me over an hour to disprove because of how complex it is. It does my head in trying to learn enough about the topics to understand how they are wrong

[@freddan6fly]

@@smashexentertainment676 *bald*

[@craigfowler7098]

It boggles my mind how someone with a Physics degree could sign up to this.

[@danielhumphreys4429]

2:26 'Black holes aren't real' I wonder how they're going to explain the picture we have of one.

[@quantummeme7655]

They are gonna pull up the most overused and cringe conspiracy resource:"it was photoshoped u liar"

[@Zenodilodon]

Except here in the shop we see AC fields coupling due EM waves and their temporal offset. The source would be the very small charges that are AC within the very small small parts such as quarks, except smaller or with-in them. The idea if at one point things move at the same speed since they are too small to interact directly with larger electromagnetic sources. Think about an antenna for receiving a UHF signal, yet it cannot receive a signal from a light bulb. It's not the motion of electrons as we see in electromagnetism, but the universe isn't just electrons. If we look at the Lorentz force equations there is the law that any charge in motion creates an " electromagnetic wave " Though not all sources of charges in motion are electrons such as protons and quarks. So figure things like quarks make waves to small for us to detect with molecular/atomic based radiation/EMF detectors. Gravity can be one of these easily, it's a very strong force with weak interaction. Waves so fast and small that they cannot interact with matter strongly, or for that matter anything, this is why you simply cannot block gravity even it's it's a " Electromagnetic field " quite the same way, because it's simply not EMF made from the movement of electrons. So at one point we have a stable field that is emitted from electrons, up quarks, and down quarks and there self referenced fields in space. We have EMF fields that are AC and couple and are mostly passive with a weak interaction force globally. Both things are covered quite easily in this case. And this can be modeled however not directly interacted with due to technological limitations. It gets complicated, what do you expect. I am also not a nutcase nor a pseudoscience fan by any means, quite the opposite. As I have said there has been tests with this happening and we can pull objects with AC fields demonstrably and I am also a well read and skilled laser technician of whom studies the interactions of EMF with materials. Why we don't have flying anti-gravity cars is covered under the impossible nature of trying to build structures on the subatomic scale that can repel billions of tiny weakly interacting EFMs derived from leptons and quarks, it simply isn't possible. Secondly we cannot block it because these are not simply waves that interact with electrons, these are small, very very small. Gravity to an atom/molecule is akin to a UHF antenna picking up light. I am up for thorough discussion on this and I can easily show you video of AC coupling objects together, it's not quite the same but it shows that this interaction is due to time delay over space vs the movement of the EMF fields and using AC also shows it's not electrostatic attraction. You asked to see it and understand the models and explanation of where is comes from, why it's constant, why it cannot be blocked, and why the fundamentals of this if true cannot be put into practice technologically. The electric universe has been blown out of the water in the same aspects quantum physics has been by pseudoscience but the real deep core that takes years of study to understand still has merit. My contact information is on my about me section, the offer of discussion is open.

[@OudeicratAnnachrista]

3:15 just a bit precision nit-pick note for the formula and "r = distance between the centers of the objects" - this applies to spherically symmetric objects. Generally other objects that are not spherically symmetric (cubes, blocks, rods, discs, satellites etc) this formula doesn't work exactly for the whole object (but for example for satellites orbiting earth it doesn't matter that much) and needs to be 3D-integrated for the given shape

[@harrisonoswald5159]

Its pertaining to the center of mass. Large ships attract themselves to each other due to gravity and is a navagation hazard for supermax ships at dock and navigating locks

[@OudeicratAnnachrista]

@@harrisonoswald5159 that's interesting if true, but I was talking about the formula. F=G*m_1*m_2/r^2 will not give you a correct result for ships

[@pranavlimaye]

@@OudeicratAnnachrista yup, that was pretty much a nitpick but well-spotted anyway

[@alexthomas5633]

You just got a shout-out from PBS spacetime!

[@xsvrrx]

i don't know anything about the electric universe idea but one assumed all it was based on that mass equals energy equation.

[@TheChris2hill]

Interesting D&D campaign... wait Electric Universe is a thing?

[@johnnyrepine937]

Lunar lightning!

[@colbycox8783]

@Nathan O'Keefe that’s what happens when you don’t invest any points in intelligence or charisma

[@cyberjfh]

@@colbycox8783 In Fallout RPG game, I always put more point in intelligence and charisma to get more interesting dialog and to access technology.

[@colbycox8783]

@@cyberjfh me too those are the best play throughs

[@LateNightKaiju]

This reminds me of the old Spelljammer AD&D setting, and the Sons of Ether (mad scientists essentially) faction in Mage The Ascension.

[@MrMegaPussyPlayer]

18:41 Did want to read more about the horse, tho ... ;p

[@danielgautreau161]

It seems some people have come across some of the books by Immanuel Velikovsky and thought he was a scientist.

[@godagon97]

Very well done episode, Dave!! 💯🔥🍻

[@pepejulianonziema69]

The scientists are debating whether the universe is flat or curved. meanwhile, many people still believe the earth is flat🤦🤦

[@tsvetanstoychev655]

They aren't really debating that anymore. It is considered flat (the universe, of course), to my knowledge.

[@allekatrase3751]

@@tsvetanstoychev655 I don't think it's entirely settled. It is seemingly flat to the limits of our ability to measure, but nobody knows the scale of the entire universe so even curvature too small for us to currently measure could be meaningful.

[@death_parade]

@@tsvetanstoychev655 Nothing is settled. For all we know, we could be in a Klein bottle analogue of a 3D manifold embedded in 5D space.

[@beneu95]

Have your head checked first before making an ass out of yourself.

[@pepejulianonziema69]

@@beneu95 have you fucking head checked yourself, you fucking flat brained flat earther

[@PhDTony_original]

Pedantic quibble alert: Gravitational acceleration is not constant over Earth's surface. Local sub-surface density anomalies result in variations, as does centripetal acceleration which itself is time-and-location-dependent.

[@fizzy4149]

Strictly speaking Earth's gravitational constant is not exactly ... constant. It is however approximately constant. To paraphrase what you said, g varies because the mass of Earth is not uniformly distributed. This is actually a point in favor of the mass based gravitational model and a point against an electrically based model. In the latter case the downward pull of gravity would vary wildly and widely. The gravitational force will increase in regions above a larger mass density (more mass=stronger gravity) and will decrease in regions above a lower mass density.

[@PhDTony_original]

@@ShifuCareaga you are suggesting that that paper asserts that mass does not attract mass? I am a member of the AGU. I know for a fact no such rest is sustainable

[@PhDTony_original]

@@ShifuCareaga Here Ian w16's original comment: "True. Perhaps the EUists can use that data and look for any electric woo in those areas that could explain it better than the boring old mass/ density thing. ;)" Here is your response: "@Ian w16 "Electric Currents in Geospace and Beyond" published by Wiley/AGU-100 in 2017" My thought process was: Shifu must think that this comment is both objectively meaningful and relevant to Ian's original post. The only thing in Ian's original post this reference could connect to is the phrase: "electric woo in those areas that could explain it better than the boring old mass/ density thing" I inferred that that was what you were attempting to achieve. The hole in my thinking was that I rejected the concept that your post was an idiotic non-sequitur. I had assumed you were operating rationally inside the confines of a delusion rather than randomly inserting unrelated nonsense in otherwise comprehensible discussions.

[@PhDTony_original]

@@BenGrem917 thank you - that explains a lot. Not enough to make Shifu seem rational - but it does clarify things.

[@christopherbrooks3691]

G remains constant. The distance r changes with topography. The actual acceleration observed can also be affected by variations in local density, depending on location, but variations are small and attributable.

[@shayanhj6236]

25:13 True Becouse film theory made a video explaning how the empire is the good guy and the rebels are evil in starwars