No Till Food Plots | Forage Pea Bean and Oat Explosion

No till food plot results range from fad to phenomenal, so you need to follow the tips in this video to make sure that you stay on track. My ultimate not till system of planting food plots uses my decades proven techniques to grow forage peas, beans and oats with ease. Not till food plot planting activities have to be completed exactly right to insure success, or you can just as easily fail. Would you like to tap into the moisture conserving, incredible soil building, erosion controlling, high food plot volume attributes that a proven no till system can offer? Than you need to look no further than the tips that are offered in this no till food plot video! Enjoy...

[@Nine.Two4Real]

is spraying really necessary?

[@scottpulver4920]

I need a frost seed in NY near Mass border. Thank you

[@chadilacnissen9717]

Jeff, can i plant my rye at the same time i spread oats and peas? Way up north in northern wisconsin...

[@waynegalyen6176]

Can you crimp buckwheat

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Very easy to do with a simple Cultipacker...been doing it for over 20 years 😊 In fact the only crop you can effectively do that with, that is a weed smother crop and also deteriorates enough to allow for germination of seeds planted underneath and within

[@peaceandlove5214]

How do you manage birds and pigeons?

[@daniels.904]

Thank you for sharing this very valuable info and very obviously your favorite pastime and ours with the rest of us!!

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Thank you for the videos!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

You are very welcome Melvin!

[@Grizzlife]

Jeff I took an old water tank and put sealed bearings on the ends and built my cultivator / smasher. Just fill with water and she get heavy. Works great

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

That sounds like it would work too Grizz!

[@jeremycusey3303]

Grizz Friction Wood calls Grizz could you show a pic of your creation?

[@Grizzlife]

@@jeremycusey3303 I'm loading video now in my page of one if my homemade crimper. I'm in the process of mounting a sprayer tank for spraying plot at same time I crimp.

[@Grizzlife]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Jeff check out my homemade crimper on my page. Should be loaded shortly.

[@CATCHAHAWG]

Great content Jeff. We’ve been doing something similar for for the past 25 years here in East Texas. Been bow hunting pine forests with very little browse that are surrounded by hardwood forests. We typically plant oats and rye in September. Don’t have a packer but a railroad timber dragged behind the atv works well. Glad to see y’all passing along this information.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Oh for sure! The buckwheat/rye oats combination has been around for a long time...almost always with tilling/discing, etc. You guys have been no tilling into the buckwheat? What amount of time do you let the buckwheat mature for...how long before your Fall plantings? I had never heard of anyone, ever using beans, peas, brassica, clover or anything else with this method...how have they worked for you down there...or any other seeds like cow peas, etc?

[@CATCHAHAWG]

Whitetail Habitat Solutions I guess I should have clarified. Sorry about that. I have just been using the weeds for the cover crop not buckwheat. I drag them down with a railroad timber, poison and apply the oats, rye and fertilizer. I’ve tried some cowpeas but the deer tend to pull them up. Our areas are small. Maybe 30’x100’ . Just something green for them to go to after browsing on acorns and get them within bow range. East Texas has several hundred thousand acres of woods so patterning then can be difficult. Giving them some well fertilized green to go to can really make your spot hot.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@CATCHAHAWG oh for sure...I wondered! Oats and rye do fairly well in conditions like that. The buckwheat rotation is a far, far different system that allows for a high level of germination rates for all seeds that is really no different than an expensive drill. The problem is that just using weeds can give zero to moderate results depending on the level of weed growth and variety of weeds...the buckwheat crop creates is a 100% germination no till system (Ultimate No Till kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWjYgYeZerFsbZo) that only can fail if there is excessive drought...which every other planting method will fail too. Just wanted to make sure tho...completely diffiffert way to plant. Hope that makes sense! Check out that ultimate not till link above ..high precision system that works 100% for all seeds if planted correctly. Something I originated back in the early 2000s along with a few other food plot planting methods and blends. It may be too hot down there for buckwheat, but you may be able to substitute various peas, possibly Egyptian wheat and ornamental Sudan grasses. Make sure to try my layered rye method too...would add a green boost to your plots for sure! Here is my layered rye method... www.whitetailhabitatsolutions.com/blog/winter-rye-layered-food-plot-progression

[@randlerichardson5826]

Thanks for sharing brother. Be safe out there GOD BLESS.

[@rfb7117]

Jeff, Your plantings look really GREAT, we planted our plots 6 days ago. We are supposed to get rain today or tomorrow, should really help things pop. We are hoping for good results and seeing it grow soon. Thanks for all the help and encouragement., Bob

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thanks a lot Bob ..that rain is coming! I have some good example we will shoot a video about, regarding areas of buckwheat vs areas of more weeds vs areas of missed sprayings. Bottom line - the stronger the crop of buckwheat, the stronger the showing of Brassica, oats, peas and beans. Send me pics soon Bob!

[@rfb7117]

Great...I believe the better the buckwheat nurse crop the better the food plot seedings will be as it tends to hold moisture and become fertilizer as it decays. What do you do to get better success with the brassica area, as it is pretty bare ground when planting the buckwheat? I'll send some photos as the peas, beans, oats, brassica and radish start to come up. thanks, Bob

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@rfb7117 hi Bob ..bare ground is great for buckwheat...so no worries next Spring. Buckwheat is also the great balance for planting...lots of smother and shade with very few stalks per square foot. Equals a lot of soil exposure, shade to smother weeds but crushes very fast when cultipacked and goes away quickly after spraying. You can't cultipack wheat and rye or weeds the same...which is why just about anything but buckwheat doesn't work this way, with this method. Although John Komp and j are coming up with a potential mix to compete with buckwheat next Summer...

[@rfb7117]

I agree....the buckwheat lays VERY FLAT after cultipacking, much better than anything I have planted or dead grass, dead weeds etc.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@rfb7117 also disintegrates quickly to allow sunlight to soil...better than anything that I know of

[@MySliceOfHeavenoutdoors]

Great info Jeff

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thank you very much! Hope there is something in there that can help you out 🙂

[@joeschmo8115]

Is there a round up free method?

[@donaldbowling8620]

Definitely going the no till route next year. Makes more sense. Brassicas are in for me, buttttttt with no rain in almost two weeks it could be a bad germination rate. We will see. Ty for the videos Jeff. 🤘

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

You are welcome Donald...will do the rain dance for ya 😁

[@donaldbowling8620]

Whitetail Habitat Solutions lol. Dance harder dang it!! Went all around us. We were supposedly get from 1/2”-1 1/2”. We got squat!!! What a cake job being a weather person. Paid to guess at a computer module and then shrug your shoulders when your wrong. 🤦‍♂️

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@donaldbowling8620 Ha, well at least it is nothing personal...the dance did not work for me either! Hope it comes soon...

[@zachzeilinger4019]

Gonna give it a try next week in N. MI area. Killed weeds last weekend. Just hoping for any rain!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Good luck Zach! Remember that oats, peas and beans need to be covered up with a little soil or a later of buckwheat or some type of heavy grain like wheat or rye....oats will do ok on top of the soil, but not peas and beans.

[@dougbarber3400]

Jeff you are the food plot king. I have started the plot doing it just as you have explained. I have taken a couple of videos so far and will update you on how your system is working here in Tennessee. As always keep up the awesome work and I will j keep soaking it up.

[@joeymorris9187]

Just did a similar method in Kentucky on 4 small plots because we didn't have access to tractor equipment. We through seed out and I drove over the weed with my Jeep until it was fairly flat. Trimmed anything that was standing and hoping for the the best........won't know how it did until opening week in Kentucky but we have had 3 rains on it so far so I'm opportunistic that we will have something for the deer to eat.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Joey...you may get moderate success but not full....maybe zero success of no glyphosate used. You used glyphosate as well I hope? Make sure to use buckwheat next year...really the only Summer smother crop that works. Folks think they can throw seed and weeds and get it to grow...but that just isn't the case. Trying to make sure folks have great food plots as best they can! Actually one of the main things I do for my profession ☺️

[@deercamp3479]

These videos are so helpful for us guys without the big equipment! I was wondering if you got away from your no till drill in favor of this method? Seems to be at least equally effective if not better this way ! Thanks for all your help!!!!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thanks a lot David and I think it can help the big guys too 🙂 That Genesis drill was a fine piece of equipment that we just had in 2017 and I liked it a lot. But, not using it in 2018 and this year has been the best thing that ever happened. We were left hanging and in a jam last year. It directed me back to my food plotting roots of 25 years ago. And the cool thing is? Folks can find AT LEAST as good of results using this ultimate no till method of mine, compared to the big boys with the big toys. You can meet or exceed the results of using expensive machinery at a fraction of the cost. Other than I like the brand, the company and the drill - I would recommend this planting method almost every time over. I just visited two NY clients this past week with a total of 20+ acres of plots to plant, and at least 50 acres of Switchgrass to plant this coming year. Ultimate no till system all the way for both...and I get paid to create results for clients 😉 Always enjoy the feedback from you David!

[@deercamp3479]

Thank you as well !! Really good stuff!!!!😉❗️

[@talon769]

I went with no till this year. For the past 6 or 7 we would spray, till, plant, spray our soy plots. Broadcast seeding and have had success every year BUT we planted in the spring and the plots got enough rain to get things going. We typically doubled the amount of seed/acre to compensate for the grazing. Spring planting was the worst thing we ever did and I wish I had heard of you before we started. Every thing you say will happen, happened. We turned our property nocturnal in a just a couple years. Anyway, this year I did not plant any spring crops. I moved to plot location to an area where we will not bump deer when accessing the property. I killed the goldenrod and then put down soy and turnips leaving the dying plants in place to act as straw, as you said. I know you were in Buffalo last week and some of that rain did make its way to my area thankfully. I just got back from the property and the rain really got things going. The dead vegetation is keeping the soil moist where if I had done things like I used to, all of that moisture would have evaporated immediately after hitting the ground. We're getting day time photos now where we would only get night time photos last year. I'll be buying a few of your nooks as payment for all of the info you put up on KZbin. Thanks so much!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Man that is so great Mark! Really great feedback but most of all I am really happy for you! Bet you can't wait for the season 👍 And thanks for the book purchases if you buy them!

[@dswish1730]

The round up kills the weeds..The deer don't eat it JERK???

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@dswish1730 hey D I think you answered the wrong comment, ha ☺️

[@dswish1730]

Sorry.That was for the guy that does not want Round up fed deer??

[@dswish1730]

I think you got him with the Kool aid...

[@foodplotinnovations7086]

Jeff great info. Just did some today. I use the same mix but also add 5# of sunflowers. They like them just as much a soybeans. Going to try some sugar beets tommorow.

[@foxhilloutdoors2134]

I just found your channel. I love what I'm seeing so far. You're killing me though! Lol I have so many things I want to do to my farm now

[@randlerichardson5826]

That’s a nice 8 point long eye guards. I’d take him given the chance.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Hey brother I’ve been so busy I still ain’t got to working on my lease yet. Better late than never I guess. My nephews after me to hog hunt and squirrel hunt soon. He’s fixing to turn 9 and he’s fired up bout hunting and fishing. I’m trying to keep him interested in it. Maybe I pray it keeps him out of trouble and out of the house either fishing or hunting one. I’m goin to do my best to teach him.

[@lbriant48]

Sorry Jeff not on subject but were getting slammed here in southern Iowa this year with EHD Talked to the DNR sounds like it could get worse than 2012 which was our worst year ever. I think my watering holes are giving them a good place to drink but they probably go for the wet mud areas to cool off. Lost 100 deer just in our county already then he had 12 more called in before noon then I found three more and I already had 2 the other day. Wow that stuff kills fast sometimes within 24hrs Do you guys get it? We had tons of spring rain then its beed a drought ever since. No relief in sight. In 2012 we lost 3 out of 10 !! When you find one you sure know it !! Keep up the good Video's. Thanks Larry

[@outdoorjay1385]

another awesome vid! could you throw oats in standing grass roll it and spray it?

[@quinnm.2314]

Hoping this will work with just cereal rye as current cover crop. this is going to be my first year going no till. hopefully not having a tall cover crop wont be too much of a problem since I'm planting smaller seeds (brassica and kale) Would really like to master this technique to save money, time, and improve soil quality

[@randypetiprin9175]

Jeff, thanks for all of your videos. I have had great success with your mock scrapes and watering holes. Now I'm in the process of planting several food plots on my 80 in Central Michigan. I noticed that a couple times you mentioned not liking Dwarf Essex Rape in your brassica blends. Can you advise why? Thanks, Randy

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thanks a lot Randy...that is awesome to hear! DER is a cheap filler. Roughly $4 for an entire acre. But most importantly there is a reason they call it "dwarf". There are other options of various forage turnips, radishes and forage rape combinations that carry a much higher volume. Just a cheap filler, which is one of the reasons that I really like the blends from Northwoods Whitetails 🙂

[@randypetiprin9175]

Wow, thanks for the quick reply. I believe that the DER is about 10% of the White Gold Brassica blend which I bought. I will check out Northwoods Whitetail next time.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@randypetiprin9175 that's not too bad... I looked at one mix a few days ago that was 40%!

[@sambilhorn9282]

Great info and quality video! What is your application rate of buckwheat?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Sam thank you very much! 50#s per acre...

[@lawrencedonna8240]

Jeff, I have been debating spending the money on a no-till drill (wife would probably kill or leave me) so I was real excited to see this video. Probably saved my life. Do you think it would also work broadcasting beans into standing Winter Rye in the spring? My plan is to use your method and overseed all of my plots (sandy soil) with winter rye this fall. Thanks for the video!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Lawrence, ha that's great to hear! Yest it works...best if you mow the rye over the beans. I would be wary of the beans though, and look to establish buckwheat for later summer plantings like in my ultimate not till blends...or 2019 best food plot mix. Buckwheat will also help improve your soil a lot, for your Fall plots... Thanks a you are very welcome...you really do not need a drill to have great plots 😉

[@brianmcneany1672]

I broadcast forage beans and peas then used a drag and then packer max but the ground was compacted and dry and a lot of the seed was still exposed. Our plot is all exposed dirt after spraying and tilling and added lime and fertilizer as per soil test. Will the bean and peas germinate? Planted yesterday and rain is coming tomorrow. First time plotters so learning as we go, thanks for the info

[@CarAholic86]

Do you plant brassica or clover using the buckwheat method also?

[@cavemanbushcraftsurvival6736]

What would be best I like to use buck oat and soybeans

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Is this similar to grant woods advising to plant a “buffalo blend” I believe a similar philosophy

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Similar...but very different in terms of quality of seed blends and diversity of seeds that can be planted, seeding timing, much higher quality hunting season attraction and nutrition, the quality of the buckwheat as a smother crop, ability to plant without 10s of thousand in equipment....and nearly 2 decades of proven results. Other than all that...yes, similar 😉 Also, this system nearly every food plotter can use, big or small, with very little equipment...with the same or better results compared to any other planting method. No need to spend 10s of thousands in equipment...even the high dollar big food plot operations. My ultimate no till system kind of makes those expensive toys obsolete...

[@melvinsacromentoe]

Whitetail Habitat Solutions man of the people. I’m just a college student but I have been actually implementing your techniques because like you said it doesn’t cost thousands of dollars. Good luck this season

[@johnhuls2695]

Jeff do you plant the brassica and beans and peas at the same time or all at same time. I know you split the plots.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Yes I do...right around 8/1 here in SW WI. Brassica blend on one side...peas/beans/light oats on the other. Then follow up with winter rye about labor day...or 4 weeks after initial planting. If you pre mix the beans/oats/peas it helps a lot!

[@jerrylittle8922]

Excellent video! Trump 2020!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Ha, thanks Jerry...I really like your comment!

[@dougfrombergen3984]

Hi Jeff Thanks for all the info ...So i can spray seeded peas or fall rye with round up as long as i spray right after i seed ?

[@aarongoeppner413]

What time of year would you say you plant the buckwheat? Then when do you broadcast the fall mix?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Aaron...check out my latest not till food plots/Buckwheat no till/ultimate not till/2019 Best Food Plot Mix videos....TONS of info ☺️ But, you plant the buckwheat 7-8 weeks prior to the timing of your Summer plantings. For example I target 8/1 around here in SW WI, so my buckwheat is broadcast during the first week of June. I hope that helps...but check out all of the info in my food plot playlist. Hope you like it!

[@justinboehler7060]

Love the videos Jeff great information I was wondering what amount of nitrogen affect do you see over the years using the buck wheat as a cover crop. Could I expect it to cut down on my fertilizer bill drastically and would there be any other soil builder/ cover crop you would recommend for no till

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Thanks a lot Justin! As of now I would recommend anything other than buckwheat, as much so because of its high smother ratio of low stem to high smother shade value. Check out the rotation of rye to buckwheat did for me back in the early 2000s, relative to changing the soil and fertility needs... www.whitetailhabitatsolutions.com/blog/whitetail-food-plot-success-on-poor-soils

[@aaronkorsmo]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 thank you for the link to this article! This most closely represents what I need to do on the land in Florence, WI. We have very similar soil. Already did my planting, just waiting on a soil test to come back to get an idea of what needs to go down.

[@dswish1730]

Thanks again Jeff.When u spread urea on your brassicas.Do I do it before rain??

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

D for sure, right before a rain. Also about 4 weeks after planting.

[@youree81]

What would you reccommend for a first time plot in my woods in louisiana? Grew beans peas and lablab during summer and applied lots of lime. I want to incorporate clover and rye but not sure what to put with it

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

I really like oats a lot down in your area...combining with cow peas right now is a great idea. Then closer to October adding 200#s of Winter rye over the top of it is a great addition.

[@upandcoming.6880]

Northern Idaho food plot with not a whole lot of water and direct sun. Any tips for a first timer?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Layered rye can be your friend! Check this out... www.whitetailhabitatsolutions.com/blog/winter-rye-layered-food-plot-progression There isn't much that can grow with not much sun, but rye will be your closest bet...make sure to layer it for optimum volume.

[@campt91]

What would be the best drought tolerant fall food plot species? I live in Idaho and we generally don't get any good rains until sometime between September 15th to October first. I'm aware winter wheat and cereal rye can be planted after those dates, but is there anything else I could use? I was thinking possibly hairy vetch planted around Oct 1st, but I'm not entirely sure that would work. Is there anything I could plant in August and September that would germinate under very low moisture conditions?

[@robclinejr4085]

Do you get this seed for the same seed guy as the brassica and if so can you tell me the name of the company it was I know you mentioned it in the brassica video I always look forward to seeing a notification that you uploadrd

[@williamfox1192]

Northwoods Whitetails

[@robclinejr4085]

@@williamfox1192 thank you

[@Landsteward]

Hi Jeff, Thank you for the plethora of information. I manage a family farm in NW Ohio and after reading your books I recently converted my perennial clover plots to Annuals for the first year. I would love to go no till in the future however we planted by conventional method of discing, cultivating, cultimulcher, broadcast, cultipack. Brassicas and turnips on half (6# of brassica, 6# turnip across .6A). Oats, and Peas, on half( 25# oats, 33#peas per .6 A). I am curious how you would adjust your seeding rates for conventional methods of planting. We went double the recommended rate on the brassica side which I am a little concerned may adversely affect growth. Do you still recommend planting heavy with conventional methods? Also in the oats and peas plot would you still add 200#/A with conventionally planted oats and peas? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@justinpugh3615]

Can you no-till beans, peas, and oats into tall hay fields the same way? I’ve done it into clover, right after cows have mowed it down, but I was thinking about seeding in, spraying and cultipacking like you do the buckwheat. Thoughts?

[@RackAddict21]

I am hoping to do the same. Wish there had been an answer to your question here...

[@caseywabeke5394]

The problem I have with buckwheat is the deer MOWWWW this stuff I cant get it above ankle hi

[@jeremiahhill6955]

Jeff, where do you get your seeder from?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

I order them from Amazon...Earthway model 2750. Been using them for roughly 20 years.

[@miguelcooper10]

Will a mix of forage peas, buckwheat, rape, radishes work for a no till food plot?

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

H Miguel...they would work spreading them. You do not want to plant buckwheat for a Fall plot either....doesn't add any value. You need to spread similar sized seeds together tho. You want Brassica to last, so adding radishes with peas can be a bad idea. The deer hammer the peas and then hit the Brassica (rape,turnip,radish) much heavier. That's why I encourage you to separate them, and then add light oats at planting...heavy rye later. Another thing too...unless covered by a layer of buckwheat or possible rye or wheat, peas will not grow on top of the soil. Same with beans too. I hope that all makes sense?

[@miguelcooper10]

Whitetail Habitat Solutions Yes it makes sense. I just planted that a couple days ago.. but i will definitely change what I plant next year so that it works out better. I used the antler king mix but next year I will buy my own seeds from amazon so I get more pounds of seeds and better mixes. At least I was able to put in a waterhole and a mock scrape this year! Thanks for the help Jeff!

[@miguelcooper10]

Whitetail Habitat Solutions Yes it makes sense. I just planted that a couple days ago.. but i will definitely change what I plant next year so that it works out better. I used the antler king mix but next year I will buy my own seeds from amazon so I get more pounds of seeds and better mixes. At least I was able to put in a waterhole and a mock scrape this year! Thanks for the help Jeff!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

@@miguelcooper10 oh for sure! That's why I use Northwoods Whitetails...no fillers and no seeds that shouldn't mix. AND proper seed amounts. I would plan on adding 200#s of rye over that in about 4 weeks. I am surprised there are such poor mixes out there... but there are.

[@miguelcooper10]

Whitetail Habitat Solutions I will try to find a time to do that. Season opens September 16th for Kansas and I think the start of October for Missouri. With school and soccer I may not be able to.. but will try.

[@johnnyballgame7339]

Does this method build up a thick thatch layer after a couple years, or does the herbicide completely deteriorate the buckwheat? Do you have to burn it off every few years? Going to try it next year...my big struggle is weed control and I think the nurse crop would help drown out the weeds.

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Hi Johnny it does not build up in any way. It does help greatly with weeds...but you still have to spray, preferably twice a year. And it is critical to spray Gly after you smash down the buckwheat. Most importantly with the Brassica because if you don't spray, the Brassica growth will be limited. Due to overshading at germination. I find the buckwheat turns into the soil by next Summer...

[@johnnyballgame7339]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Great...thanks for the info.

[@youree81]

First time fall plot*

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Chris, your first time? Hope you have great success!

[@greenboyatgafarms2250]

Yeah that crap don't cut it down here in the SOUTH. You'll just be pissing money away

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

So when you tried it, what kind of a smother crop did you use? Or wait...maybe you just like playing with your toys 🙂 nothing wrong with that either. But again tho...what smother crop did you use? How much volume was there in that crop...how tall was it? What kind of seeds did you plant with it?

[@greenboyatgafarms2250]

@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 and the answer to your question would be cotton peanuts corn sorghum soybean peas sunflowers and then your typical cover crops which would be wheat oats and rye

[@gretchenclarke]

your not helping by promoting ROUNDUP!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Don't be a sheople...your not helping by swallowing the Kool Aid 😉

[@davemi00]

I don’t want Roundup Fed deer. or Cattle - Wake Up !!

[@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751]

Don't drink the Kool-aid bud...use some common sense.

[@bearht]

So does the rye and green grow threw and take over the buckwheat or do u have to mow or cut it out