No Trains Were Harmed in the Making of This Episode.

Hey everyone back with Railroads Online! Today Hyce and I are earning money while preventing derailing. That's right, no derailing in this episode at all!
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[@alexanderdemont1104]

Kan: "*asks a question*" Hyce: "Well it depends."

[@MattCreenan]

A true engineer

[@electrifiedgamer1322]

Please ask Hyce about that time, "every single locomotive got stuck in the snow on the RGS" - Hyce title, 2022

[@williamadams7865]

It’s worthwhile noting that here in Australia, fire danger season (November to March typically) means that preserved steam operations are either limited or cease completely to prevent bush fires from starting.

[@OriginalPiMan]

I guess Puffing Billy might be on limited operations then? Because I'm pretty sure it runs all summer.

[@leonkernan]

@@OriginalPiMan Pretty sure they stop it on higher fire danger days and it gets followed by a hi-rail with fire gear. They've also converted at least one NA to oil burning.

[@OriginalPiMan]

@@leonkernan Makes sense.

[@petec2583]

On our UK EMD locomotives, don't know about anywhere else, if you have the reverser in neutral and are moving then it will automatically apply the emergency brake. You have to have it in a direction. They are also fitted with AESS but we rarely use it! You have to remove the reverser handle completely for AESS to operate.

[@ethanrichardson730]

Hyce’s first words are amazing in this ep.

[@otterf104]

We are running trains in a train game nooooo way

[@abbymunoz4286]

Cruising down the 10%

[@deepierce5030]

I am ESPECIALLY fond of his closing words 🤣

[@avidos_]

And they did

[@mmhmnms]

the swiss electric-steam trains were used mostly for shunting AFAIK! They were adapted during one of the world wars because coal was too expensive! Mostly powered by hydroelectric because Switzerland has a lot of alpine dams and things

[@AlexanderBurgers]

It was because of WW2, Switserland imported coal from Germany, and the war caused a shortage so as a quick solution they just stuck heaters on the steam locomotive instead of trying to get more electric trains on short notice. After the war, the locos were converted back to coal and used for a few more years.

[@braefarquhar]

Yes, Hyce is correct about the 416 fire, as a local Durangatang (person who lives in Durango, Colorado) I was here when the fire broke out. The "spark" started very close to the train tracks of the Durango and Silverton RR.

[@philiplueth5911]

I was in Durango a few days after it started and was intending to go on the durango&silverton but...yeah that fell through. but I had heard about the train probably starting it

[@1nk_sans.D.preda_chaos]

Kan and Hyce not derailing locomotives is as strange as not seeing Dr bright causing chaos

[@karimarvargas8603]

Ye

[@marshthecanadian9832]

I sense an SCP nearby

[@ChrisCompson576]

But kan still had to pee in a cup

[@Sausketo]

​@@ChrisCompson576shhh

[@ktaylor9095]

Kan, if you had a steam engine on Venus, and you happened to have liquid water (which would necessarily be cooler than ambient temperature or under ridiculous pressure), I think you could run the steam engine without burning any fuel. It would be like powering a steam train on a giant pressurized carbon-dioxide tank instead of a steam boiler on earth.

[@Soken50]

I'm pretty sure Venus has a pretty high atmospheric pressure on top of being insanely hot so thermodynamically the steam engine has little to no temperature AND pressure gradient. Although you could pressurise the boiler higher since the relative pressure to the outside would be reduced

[@thomasmclean9406]

"Hydrate before you die-drate" is now my new favourite quote

[@Archemedes95]

My understanding of the Swiss electric steam locomotives is the conversion was done during WWII when coal from Germany was hard to get, but there was an abundance of hydroelectric power in the country. I believe the lines were already largely electrified, but they tried running a few steam locomotives on electric to save on coal. The locomotives were still capable of running on coal and the electric capability was removed sometime after WWII.

[@N00dleMeister]

This is clearly manipulated footage, I watched Hyce's video... Kenosha was smelled, don't try to hide it! On the topic of strange steam locomotives (like the swiss kettle boiler) ask Hyce about the transistion era of steam (basically steam's last days) and all the strange and cool ideas that proponents of steam tried in order to beat the diesels. Or ask about Crush, Texas, and how some Kenoshas are actually planned in advance :P

[@Taladar2003]

When you are saying a Diesel locomotive seems simpler I think what you mean is that the abstractions become less leaky. There are problems that we solve so well in newer technology that fewer and fewer people (design engineer, maintenance engineer, driver, passenger,...) have to worry about what is hidden behind the abstraction.

[@Astrolex12]

APU (auxiliary power unit) is a small jet engine powered generator located in the tail of an airplane to provide power when parked for a short time. You can use this to start the main engines EPU (external power unit) is either a big battery on wheels or a bit generator on wheels that you tow to the airplane and then plug into the airplane to provide power for engine start. A lot of jet engines are actually air-start. You use the bleed air from your APU to start #1 and then use bleed air from #1 to start #2

[@BadgerBishop]

To put the opening conversation into context, steel is actually a bad conductor of heat.

[@ellathegoldenpup-14_.25]

That pink and gold engine looks like Lady from Thomas and the Magic Railroad, the 0.6.0 tank engine that you guys named "The Goat" 💯😅😂

[@williamadams7865]

30:40 - Talking about train crews working across the country, here for the transcontinental east-west and north-south runs through the desert with NOTHING in between for hundreds and hundreds of kilometres at a time, we use Crew Vans. At the front of these freight services (behind the locomotives and an additional wagon of fuel for the locomotives that gets used on the move), a second train crew sleeps or rests in the van before they change shift somewhere in the middle of nowhere. The first crew then rests and the cycle keeps going until the destination has been reached or they return to their start point. This system, once known as “relay working” will go for several days straight. The crew vans include full kitchen, lounge, sleeping and washing facilities and are pretty well fitted out.

[@Peekofwar]

They should let you modify locomotives and cars inside of a maintenance shed so that you can change out accessories and labeling.

[@brentkreinop489]

Years ago, while attending Purdue for a CS degree, I went with my dad to tour a Caterpillar plant in Lafayette, IN. This plant made an engine that the foundry Dad worked at made exhaust pipes for. This engine was used to drive a generator for offshore and very isolated areas. It used a big block V8 as a starter and would burn 5gal/min of everything but the crudest of crude oil. Fun times. These exhaust pipes as cast were between 100lb and 140lb per cylinder.

[@jock678]

You can roll a long way with a train with the engine shutdown providing you can maintain enough brake pipe pressure to keep the brakes off . I rolled 20 miles one night when I had an engine shutdown due to high coolant temperature. On UK locomotives you need to keep them in direction when travelling above 5 mph. We have a safety system called SSF which will apply the train brakes otherwise.

[@mikekuschka998]

Alot of cars with hybrid systems and or start stop, use the alternator/generator to start the engine when commanded. Or use the alternator/gemerator to assist the engine via the belt.

[@cranberrysauce61]

at 25:50 the discussion about thermodynamics being weird is only because people already have a mental scale of the energy scale used in it. i can only assume it is a very common thing to learn about temperature in elementary or by osmosis from experiencing it by stepping outside and complaining about it. by the time they start learning a bit about thermal dynamics, they already have a firm set zeroed reference point of what 0° is, so instead of trying to get students to think outside the norm and setting a 0 reference, its easier to use the common 0°F or 0°C instead of having them relearn with the Kelvin scale. any source of energy needs a difference between two energy states to impart work on something. like in electrical you still need a delta of electrical potential (voltage) for current to start flowing. you just normally dont see the delta voltage as it is normally simplified out by setting one end of the source to a zeroed reference, but it starts showing up again when dealing with multiple power sources or multiple lines from a transformer.

[@tubs69er]

The only benefit I can think of for an electric steam engine is that it could probably run through deep water in the case of flooding. I remember a time in my local area in Australia where they used the tourist steam train to deliver supplies to a town (Gympie, QLD) that was flooded in because the steam train could run through deeper water than the diesel electric locos.

[@letsdosomething6691]

12:40 I’m with you there Kan. I’m with you there. I hate riding in gear when i don’t have to. Going around corners I’m in neutral most of the time. And for the people that complain that you should be in gear for “emergencies”, I can find two different gears in my manual in the time it takes an automatic to even realize you put your foot to the floor. I swear some automatics are so slow to pick a gear it’s aggravating. Just pick a gear and go. Standard for the win Kan.

[@GSGTBaker]

The electrical grid in Ontario is the same way with operating breakers and switches with dc. Large battery banks and chargers of we loose power. Battery banks (48vdc, 125vdc,250vdc) will last so long and equipment will operate so many times with ots stored energy.

[@steelblue8]

The swiss electric steam locomotives happened because, basically: The swiss had a lot of perfectly good steam engines, but what they didn't have was a reliable coal supply because they had to import it from germany- which, circa WWII, wasn't exactly an easy thing to do. However, they had a lot of electrified railways, and more importantly, enough electricity that it was essentially free. So, they converted a couple of steam engines to be electrically fired, because "wasting a bit of our dirt-cheap electricity" was a better deal than having to build whole new locomotives. The engines in question were converted back to regular firing a bit later.

[@YurtFerguson]

With how small the loop at the museum is I think they might do good to get a liquid tanker car they can fill with water and use a hydraulic driven pump to run the water out of sprayers like what they use to water down dirt race tracks

[@Sausketo]

I work for a company contracted by the dc metro to do electrical work, and we use a prime mover with a diesel engine, but its not electric, it uses a hydrostatic drive, which is annoying because the train has zero cruise control, which is annoying when we pull wire because the train starts going too fast when going downhill and the brakes start screeching for 5-10 minutes

[@TheRealPauseacorn]

26:00 so theoretically, would coal power plants in a tundra be more efficient than coal plants in deserts?

[@SingeRevenger]

So when I rode the Durango train the smoke plume was coal. Was amazing to see but black specs on hands if your hands were out lol. Love that hyce references them alot.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

It’s really weird to me that the air-start EMDs have an air motor. Pretty much every big diesel in the maritime world is air start, but the way we do it is we just pipe the air into whichever cylinders are on the power stroke to rotate the engine by literally just pushing the pistons down. It has the added advantage of ensuring some exhaust pressure exists to get the turbos spinning as the engine starts running.

[@slickrick8279]

34:30 hyce really talking about the railroad like the boiler was blood sweat and tears or the men who didnt fix the engine ... fix the engine or ES&D

[@hikoplays]

the no number cars could be a lil shay line yall talked about that goes in a circle lol

[@nocare]

The steam works fine on venus IF you have liquid water at room temperature to start with. You create the temperature difference by cooling and condensing water down before loading it onto the train. Then you use the environments temperature to heat the water thru some form of heat exchanger. The delta T is very true but its not the delta between the released steam temp and the environment that matters. It's the difference from the cool water to the hot steam that matters.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

I believe the infamous Peshtigo Fire was started by a locomotive

[@Egerit100]

Question for Hyce: I realized on the model for the hoppers, the bars on the back/front are uneven. One side has 3 bars and the other side has 1 bar

[@LSFord]

26:07 kan, if the air is that hot water would be vapor at room temp, so you would need to cool it into water to then boil it creating pressure due to expansion. Pressure delta will still occur even if the outside temp is above boiling point. Interesting to think about

[@oo.paderborn7495]

The electric steam engine was Swiss. During WW2 German coal was too expensive so they electrified 2 steam engines. When they had boiler pressure they could run for up to an hour without electricity, just like a fireless engines. They also kept their fireboxes so they could also work conventionally. How could Kan not know that there is a Canadian patent for an electric steam engine issued in 1992?

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

Ah, Start-Stop systems, Extra complexity that has ruined so many starters all in an effort to "save money".

[@sombar951]

Someone turned a redwood tree into a mobile home. I set that on fire once with a traction engine. But that's the only fire I've seen from steam in my life, and that's with us idiots doing spark shows where we throw saw dust into our fires and shoot it up in the air.

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

X doubt

[@12gamerboy789]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏good work

[@deepierce5030]

Hey, KAN or Hyce, either of you can answer here but this episode makes me think of the past few months and yes I know running trains is a difficult task, but given the systems in place such as the few mentioned by Hyce, why are we seeing more and more detailed trains lately? This seems to be a common trend lately and not just a few cars but nearly the entire locomotive set as well as most of the cars. My hometown alone this last year had 4 derails 1 was poor track maintenance which makes sense for maybe a tiny portion of the area, but the owners have a good reputation as far as this particular city, with their maintenance. A second was blamed on operator error due to load balancing issues and the other two on the same track as the 1st I spoke about were both deemed as "unknown track conditions causing the derailment." The last two trains occurred nearly a year apart and the cars are still laying on their sides dug into the mud/track/crossties with several looking to topple over but that's a whole conversation in itself. Anyway, I am curious as to what y'all have for thoughts on this issue as far as the trains we've been seeing on the sheer number of trains in the news lately. Especially given the systems you spoke of that we have in place to prevent this. Thanks for listening to my little rant LoL 🤣

[@timgeren2825]

We should get Kan to ask hyce about the Crush, Texas incident of 1896

[@SolemnAegis]

33:46 Kan playing the line on monetization like a pro

[@Joyce_Aneila]

lol

[@alkaliwreck2474]

Oh, my friend, 10 to 20 mi = middle of nowhere? You need to visit the deep Midwest lol

[@smarty265]

I wonder if Kan Kan make a steam powered piston engine in Scrap Mechanic

[@LightningGames0811]

Ask Hyce what trains do at country borders

[@clyde3013]

No trains but yes cars.

[@cameronkneller1114]

You need to buy a shay call it humpty dumpty and keep it at the hump yard

[@blackhawk6023]

Kan you should try some of the custom-made maps next.

[@jeffreyblack666]

1 HP is 550 archaic unit archaic units. It is ~746 W

[@Sausketo]

The dc metro 3rd rail is 750VDC 1650Amps

[@davidgriego549]

I think you should build sheds for all your other engines at the train depo near the turn table kind of like a roundhouse shed

[@ericrhoades8988]

Why would you cut out Hyce riding the phantom train!?!? It was hilarious, and I was looking forward to seeing your perspective!

[@radiation3041]

Kan wouldn't have seen anything

[@ericrhoades8988]

Still would have been entertaining. Also a small boost to Hyce's video when people go looking for the "alleged phantom train".

[@saoirseislive]

The reason they used electricity to power the steam engines were because they made more power than electric trains at the time, and also because coal was very expensive.

[@HydraBox777]

I wanna hear about hypothetical nuclear steam trains

[@bread0237]

Bread

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

Ham

[@locke_ytb]

Cheese

[@andrewhammock197]

@@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890 cheese

[@clyde3013]

Clyde

[@daemonicone4098]

Woot more train game! Thanks guys!

[@dejanbijelic5833]

I am acualy happy u think electric "magic" is acualy hard.

[@maximilianmorse9697]

You said it uses the alternator as a starter but then you said it's DC, is it actually an alternator or is it a DC generator?

[@efectedwall5527]

35:30 I would love to see a game based on the

[@efectedwall5527]

Idea of something happening to your train then you had to figure out how to get it going to get in to the terminal

[@karimarvargas8603]

kAN I have a question for you which is super important Are you sure no trains were harmed

[@gabribotha2403]

Tell me more about that 36v diesel train battery please...

[@chrishenderson2662]

Using the engine to slow the vehicle (at least in automotive) is called compression braking. And it is NOISY!!!!!! The thought of a diesel train engine doing it...(SHUDDER!!!!!) The thought of multiple diesel train engines....ummm (can only say one needs ear plugs)(MEGA-SHUDDER!!!!!!)

[@AlexanderBurgers]

good thing that's not how it works on the diesel trains, especially the unmuffled US ones are loud enough as it is.. x_x Anyway, they use a big bank of power resistors to burn off electric energy generated by the traction motors. the traction motors have 2 sets of windings, one that makes the magnetism, and one that does the power, so you have to use the throttle on the diesel end to make more magnetism (but not feed any power to the power winding) so the wheel motors generate power instead of using it, and that generated power is burned off in the resistors, which are cooled by the big fans on top of the loco. (they cool the radiator and the resistor banks)

[@wyattflanders8459]

Question is there a hybrid stem to electrical

[@gabribotha2403]

How about a steam-electric but there is just enough water for the whistle

[@SomeOfGaming6124]

If they have to name it that, then you know bad stuff happened

[@ayanstoika-2490]

Lets go

[@Joyce_Aneila]

who here knows about y the model wra TTTE episode that had this type of failure happen that he mentioned at 34:43?

[@gabribotha2403]

Would it work to add a catalytic converter to a steam engine smoke stack as a spark arrestor (Or any type of ceramic foam)?

[@IgnavumFortuna]

the problem is, if I understand it correctly, that you don't want to trap the solid byproducts in the steam stack. and some of those are just not combustible. also, I'm unsure how well catalytic converters work with solid fuel.

[@Dallen9]

...... I think the Judge ruled in order to cover up something.

[@leifopstad2972]

have either Camodo Gaming or Neilogical considered doing this?

[@NorthernNewEnglandRailfan]

Camodo did 1 episode really early on, that's what got me into playing

[@Baer1990]

Nothing is as on-point as referring to electrical engineering as black magic 😂

[@JoshuaSeed]

An "alternator" always produces AC not DC.

[@alexengineering3060]

ask hyce about the union pacific 4884 big boy

[@garrybuildsstuff8980]

what does Hyce thing of the cascade switchback?

[@norleyrobbie]

i think their thermo dinamics things is correct

[@michaelimbesi2314]

1 horsepower is 746 watts

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

kAN, you should ask Hyce if heating the water in the tender would make a steam engine more efficient. Say the water tower is a solar water heater. A standard day is 15 degrees C, which is something like 60 degrees F. Say the water in the tender was heated to 120F or so. Would this save coal?

[@AlexanderBurgers]

yes, but no, for a very different reason, if the tender water is too hot, the injectors don't work. This is an issue with some tank engines (with the water tank around the boiler absorbing some boiler heat). If you use a different means to pump water, then yes, pre-heating water helps the efficiency. In stationary applications they often have/had condensers that turned the spent steam back into water, and pre-heated the feed water at the same time. It saves fuel and saves on scale acumulation in the boiler from not introducing fresh water with dissolved minerals.

[@michaelimbesi2314]

Yes, it would be a form of feedwater heating. It would be significantly more efficient. It’s typical in marine steam plants to use as much of the heat in the exhaust as possible because it was far more fuel efficient.

[@buckduane1991]

One of Southern 4501’s engineers in the early years of her 3rd life as an excursion engine was “so old school with blowing the whistle so much, he almost needed two firemen to keep enough steam in the boiler”. And I wondered why Hyce ended up going into the drop off track before heading to the mine… I assumed you two just did the usual and left the switch, but I see you actually tried to flip it… only to have the game glitch out. Seems it happened to you on the Climax later, at the mine… but is missing from your video. Game physics just do silly things. 😂

[@Teoinfinite]

Q: how many kilometers(or miles) of electrified rail are in the USA and Canada? and if they aren't a lot way?

[@KibuFox]

806 in the US, 80 miles in Canada.

[@anthonyj.adventures9736]

So i decided to name my model railroad after fallen flag road names from PA. So i came up with this. The Lehigh Incorporated Lines- Delaware Ironton, Chapman & Kinzua. Railroad. No you assume i made it for the memes but its the Lehigh Incorporated Lines- Delaware. Ironton. Chapman. & Kinzua. Railroad History time Did you know there are only 3 RRs In PA which start with an "I". The Indian Cteek Valley Railway the ISS Rail inc. And the 1 i volunteer at, the Ironton Railroad (along with the Nor-Bath trail the D&L the LNE and the winter trail and regular sections between Slatington and WindGap for the Appalachian trail) but yeah

[@joakimkautto5523]

You mentioned sweden im swedish

[@jakecrocker4006]

What about solar panel steam engine you can get the boiler to heat up by solar power and then your steam engine has a zero carbon footprint I lert a little bit in uni about them but that's all I know i was interested in the science of it and the benefits to the environment like to know more if you have any more information on it

[@ducewags]

@jake crocker Solar is not a zero carbon thing.

[@Sam1kka]

I'm going to assume you're talking about american locomotive manufacturers.

[@byrd203]

yes i know io had to walk on bailest when we had the train days for the golden spiked so I know

[@train_chicken6143]

im an EMD foamer and hyce only said all of the bad stuff he just whats to make steam look better but there not at all.

[@johnmikolainis7022]

Anyone else notice the massive kink in the track where the Y to the freight depot was? 5:47

[@Ogis888]

:)

[@codeyburden2148]

Hi

[@gabemorio2611]

Try SteR' map sometime kAN. It will aparently be a real challenge. (Not a paid sponsorship)

[@michaelkaler591]

Breaks not beeing properly attended on a shut down locomotive... Sounds like a repeat of the Lac Megantic disaster.

[@ducewags]

Michael Kaßler Is that coffee and lunch breaks?

[@michaelkaler591]

@@ducewags More like tea breaks. The "ß" in my name is not an english letter.

[@ducewags]

@@michaelkaler591 So is it breaks like lunch or tea as you say? Or brakes as in slow or stop?

[@robertovarela7309]

Can you ask him about Thomas the tank engine

[@gabribotha2403]

HP is 735 watts

[@ducewags]

@Gabri Botha 1hp is 745.7 watts.

[@mellowingwithage]

Hya, i undestand the sinn but maybe more Train Game and less Train Doccu. just saying. Stay Mellow Ppl´s

[@Zedja]

I did a Google search trying to find the normal map for this game. Doing this made me find out that Dapper also have played this game, so maybe a guest appearance could be possible.

[@Jkauppa]

so is coal so hard to burn, ie, condenser carbon bricks, for construction

[@Jkauppa]

um how about gasoline/diesel/heavy-oil steam train

[@Jkauppa]

those have very fast steam car engines

[@Jkauppa]

and flash boilers like in houses without hot water tank

[@Jkauppa]

ie flash boil steam piston/turbine engine

[@Jkauppa]

resistance electric wire starter, lol

[@NSTrainGuy8099]

can you please ask hyce about NS and East Palestine, Ohio

[@300poundbassman]

Hey Kon nn Hyce Smoke em up. Use clean fuel ⛽ No PEE Cups. K. 💰💰💰💰💰🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂