NOED is a crutch to your learning curve | Dead by Daylight

[@parksu2836]

i faced a relatively new doctor a couple days ago and i noticed he was running lightborn even though there were no flashlights in the lobby. We got a 4 man out with only one person getting hooked and after the game i asked why he ran lightborn and apparently he has had multiple games where squads switch last second to flashlights. It sounded like a rough time considering he should have much weaker survivors but I think noed carried him to higher mmr. Hopefully hes watching this video.

[@emwZEEK]

It never even occurred to me to switch builds as killer based on what the survivors look like in the pre game lobby.

[@JudojugsVtuber]

item switching shouldn't be a thing tbh. when you ready up for a queue it should lock in your items and addons for both sides.

[@Peachrocks5]

Speaking from my experience and I'm still fairly new my opponents can vary from nublets who can't find their own shoes to merciless bullies, to people who run into walls constantly to professional gen rush squads. If I didn't know any better, I would argue MMR is mostly random. However yes, I got lightborn very quickly and run it if I see at least two flashlights. It might be a crutch but I just can't stand dealing with it if it's used excessively.

[@eliasar5051]

Honestly I don´t blame him... my literally very first match as doctor was against really good squad with one of them even switching to flashlight on the last second. Somehow I managed to outplay them after they made some mistakes (and no, I do not run noed), mainly altruism, but given how well coordinated and confident they were, I really felt like I got matched against something that was way above my skill with doctor (since it was literally first trial with him). So on the end of the day I can´t really blame new players for using that perk since matchmaking does not even seem to work properly.

[@Predated2]

@@JudojugsVtuber the whole reason why item switching is a thing is because killers get to prepare based on the items they see. If killers didnt have vision on items, there would be no last second switching. And to be honest, I dont even know why items are shown anyway these days. You can only tell the difference between event items and normal items, but if survivors are bringing a purple medkit or a grey medkit matters a lot. Let alone a green key vs a pink key. Alex' toolbox or Commodius toolbox. There is no real reason to even show the items to prepare against, because survivors also dont see the killer to prepare against. If survivors have to prepare against practically every killer, then killers should be prepared to face practically any item.

[@Savaqe_Mode]

“Perks should aid not carry you” literally speaks to DBD as whole

[@themrwilson2205]

I'm really looking forward to the 40+ perk-up. I see all sorts of killer builds, but few survivor builds

[@bv3726]

Quit this game cuz of aids survivor perks, dont worry about noed when survivors get half the bullshit perks that they do

[@sterling4294]

*laughs in boons,dh,bt,ds,prove and god pallets*

[@tizianonakamader8177]

Like dead hard, decisive strike, unbreakable … they carry not help.

[@bv3726]

@@tizianonakamader8177 Its been so long since i played so i might not remember the perk names but as the killer eventually i just started hook camping with insidious to stop LITERALLY EVERYONE from using borrowed time perk, made people salty as fuck and when they shit talked i told them to stop using crutch perks, this got boring after like 2 days and i just quit all together

[@simpletora7313]

This video is actually perfectly timed as yesterday I did an experiment running only info perks in Solo Q to help my team see quite literally everything I could show them and out of 15 games only 3 survivors EVER used that information properly. Kindred with me hooked and seeing people hide from a killer that they can see camping me. Blast mine to see gens only to find out people are unable to find gens and spend half the match running around like a chicken. Empathic connection so people can see me to heal instead self care in a corner or setting up a boon right next to the killer. My initial thought was "new players" but I constantly see people with over 2k hours doing these things. My conclusion is that it doesn't matter what the devs do about balancing, mmr, ranks MOST of the hate they get is simply dumb people being too dumb to admit they're dumb

[@kingol4801]

Precisely this. People don’t bother improving, and that is not the game’s or perks’ fault - that is human nature in semi-casual-competitive games. It should be either all casual and people have fun by being goofs OR competitive and people following strategy. Having both does not mix well. I, personally, prefer the former, as games are meant to have fun. Let bad players enjoy the game, as it is a horror game for them (for us, it is no longer such, which is VERY sad).

[@mizter5597]

I swear, if I play survivor I get the dumbest teammates but when I play killer I am against pros. It is so stupid and has made me want to play the game less and less

[@xyex]

Yuuuup.

[@cameronmurrell-byrd7738]

True

[@yungtoe5110]

@@kingol4801 fr I remember 2016 first seeing this game on KZbin and being so intrigued by the spider god as you were in 2nd stage and being sacrificed

[@Vasiliy9hells]

I feel that the same sentiment can be made for killer's addons. When i learn a new character, i try not to use addons rarer than browns, sometimes use yellow when i face a SWF team. It helps you to learn a killer's basekit better like hatchet speed or chainsaw charge management or phasing time. Also, Whispers is highly underrated perk i feel like, can't recommend it enough. It helps early game to quickly find a survivors, helps in lategame to know at which gates survivors lurking, helps to waste less time searching for a survivors in general because you can see when survivors are not as well as where they are. Very powerful if you can master it.

[@Art.20Abs.4GG]

Whispers on Billy is quite nice!

[@bread7144]

Whispers is also really good for endgame when survivors are trying to open gates

[@knightdrachne]

Otz politely telling people skill issue

[@tizianonakamader8177]

Unfortunately the problem is not killers but survivors. Otz looking for validation and subscribers I guess

[@joemama-zm4de]

@@tizianonakamader8177 you rn, trying to explain how actually the killers getting kills when they probably shouldn't because of free instadowns is actually a survivor issue because why not:

[@craig3921]

@@joemama-zm4de think survivors deserve an adrenaline or a dead hard?

[@tizianonakamader8177]

@@joemama-zm4de like dead hard and decisive strikes are a killer issue, when survivors manage to escape when they shouldn’t cause they fucked up but these perks give them a tenth chance.

[@joemama-zm4de]

@@tizianonakamader8177 you know with ds... there's no law or rule stating you have to pick them up. you can literally just leave them there.

[@camerondrummond1422]

Noed is just one of those perks that hurt both sides. For survivors its never fun to get hit with it, it feels cheap that no matter how well youre doing, you can lose solely because they brought noed. And as you mentioned killers are hurt beacause they get kills when they probably shouldnt, pushing them to play against better and better survivors, making them feel like the game us unfair and that they need to bring noed. Really hope this perk gets reworked in the coming months.

[@isaactjones]

As you probably have, I've been saying exactly this for years

[@theysleep4562]

Nah, noed is fine. The power of D tier killers is what has to be adjusted.

[@FinalBoy99]

same can be said to DH and i hope both get reworked

[@SevenHunnid]

I’m 21 years old & I get paid to get high on my KZbin channel , i love itt tbh. I’m tryna get out the hood, its crazy out here Broo

[@rexe30k]

and dead hard, that perk can extend chases significantly and causing noed to be necessary to get kills for many players(most players aren't as good as streamers).

[@literallyalois2966]

Otz speaks from the heart, I'm sure he was where we all are at some point and we're lucky he's kind enough to give us a chance to learn by teaching us.

[@the0new0revolution]

I think it's important for all of us, no matter which side you "main", to remember that these builds and suggestions are designed to help you learn, not necessarily to win every game. You WILL get stomped running these perks sometimes, and that's okay! You're learning game sense, anticipating movements, looping skill. And as a survivor this video doesn't mean that anyone running more than these perks is running "crutch" perks and that a killer should be able to win every game with just these, that anything better is OP. The idea, if I understood it correctly, is that yes, you will lose occasionally (maybe frequently as you start out) with these perks but you'll create the foundation of skill and game sense that will allow you to transition into using more powerful perks to their fullest potential. Many players don't build those core base-line skills and those perks CAN bring you into a far higher MMR than your skill might warrant, leading to situations where you get crushed no matter what you run against some teams. Running this build for a while should allow you to pick those more powerful perks back up and go toe to toe with the majority of survivor teams the game can throw at you, having learned more about how the game works behind the perks c: Just don't get discouraged.

[@devolo5947]

Two months late but i just wanted to tell you that thats an amazing summary, and this is true no matter the strenght of your perks or addons, sometimes you lose games but every game is a great opportunity to learn.

[@ba-a-a]

Grinded up 3 different killers for teachables and leveled my main just to have this build, now I can start learning how to play. Thanks!

[@depalodor]

wish you luck!

[@Chiraqtown1]

Start to learn nurse blight cause these other killers r weak n will make u rage cause u will play high mmr survivors

[@Lactopurg4]

​@@Chiraqtown1 meta gaming is unfun

[@craviel7360]

@@Lactopurg4 I agree, but getting bullied by swf isn't fun either 😓

[@TiredCoffeeMug]

@@Chiraqtown1 Or let them play what they find fun, I doubt a beginner is going to face high mmr survivors consistently

[@funnyvalentine4404]

I love watching your videos, they make me want to play dbd every time I see them.

[@AnchorTea]

Watching otz play killer: 😄🍿 Playing killer in dbd: 😓😥

[@timber_hearthian8499]

"was it really a skilled play in the first place?"

[@matheusnb99]

Same haha. I actually bought the game because of Otz

[@scheelesgreen4788]

Funny Valentine plays dbd like me? edit:Infinite rotation must be rough for you

[@gnolex86]

Something I always recommended to newer players is figure out what are some of their weakest aspects, for example finding survivors, and use perks that help them with that, for example Spies from the Shadows. Each match they should switch these perks on or off and compare results to see the difference as well as not to get too used to running them. So in one match you find survivors more often with Spies and notice how much information crows can give you, the next match you don't have Spies so you have to learn to observe crows on your own. Also, I never recommend starting the experience on either side with meta perks. Recently I went against many survivors who survive maybe 10 seconds longer thanks to Dead Hard or hop into lockers for Decisive Strike stun or bodyblock me with Borrowed Time, then die at 4 gens because they just don't understand the basic aspects of looping and the tools they've been using for so long have degraded their core performance and the way they use these perks really only work against less skilled killers. Perks shouldn't be a replacement for skill, they should only augment what you already have.

[@Kiralucy]

Playing killers in dbd is just a chase game like it really is. If your a good chaser your gonna win majority of your games if your not you won't. You can easily play any killer no perks no addons 4k if you chase good. Ive tried it out quite a bit and on some killers oddly its not that bad. Just slow killers yeah thats rough but still a good way to learn for newer people to try killers like trickster who move at 4.4 so it helps build chasing by not being completely faster then survivors like say spirit or nemesis.

[@redmagebr]

@@Kiralucy Well... if you can get a down every 30 seconds like clockwork I guess, but killer is more about macro decisions hanging on the micro game, not just the micro game. If you can't chase for shit, you can't win and that's the end of it, of course, but even if you're good at chases, it doesn't matter if you commit to bad chases (survivors in a really strong position) or wrong chases (survivor that never got hooked even though you had a better option right beside them, or even ignoring someone you could tell was exhausted and going for the guy who's fresh with their three health states). Like, if you decision-making is bad, it doesn't really matter that you're good at chase or not, you will (probably) lose.

[@alicetheaxolotl]

Exactly this. I rarely run the common second chance perks (DS, BT, DH, Unbreakable, etc.) and still escape most games, because I don't use those perks to crutch. Even against people with NOED, I'll just go for the rescue and only cleanse the totem if they're camping, because in high MMR it's very clear when the killer is just carried by bad survivors.

[@Libellulaire]

Exactly. I never recommend any killers to use "cheese" perks just like I don't recommend survivors to use them either. When I have a new friend who wants to discover the game and we all go play survivor together, I always have a friend who's like "Level David asap to get Dead Hard !" and I'm just like... That's dumb. They get DH, then what ? They DH into a wall or nothing and die a second later ? If you want to be good at either role, you start by learning what the role is about, how it works.

[@Rockstarrclarke]

How about just play and have fun. Maybe get better as you go along.

[@Necronyan]

Otz: posts a video about not using NOED and trying to learn the game Me who already doesn't use NOED in my builds: Ah yes, a magnificent video, I'll watch it with great interest anyway!

[@Vasiliy9hells]

NOED is not his main point tho, just an example. Try to learn the killer first without relying on a perks, that way you will be confident and skilled enough so you do not need carrying perks like NOED or other meta stuff.

[@Necronyan]

@@Vasiliy9hells I mean I play Deathslinger with the meme addon that breaks the chain faster and starstruck so I don't think I am being carried by my op loadout

[@Necronyan]

@@Vasiliy9hells But yeah, valid point, what I meant was more like: I saw the thumbnail and title and said, well I don't use noed but an Otz video is an Otz video and clicked on it

[@NotJarrod]

Relatable

[@4mplitude]

@@Necronyan same, rickety chains actually makes me enjoy deathslinger more lol

[@csillaschwarcz2895]

Thank You Otz, I spent my last couple of days trying to figure out why am I in this MMR, I lose games super hard, then I win one, and boom back on the insane survivors again. This video couldnt've come out at a better time for me as I was looking at my killer rooster trying to think which killer should I play that doesn't get destroyed. Thank you for the amazing content, wish you all the best!

[@Czlopek.]

Isn't it funny how all those perks that are oh so helpful for new players are locked behind a grind/paywall?

[@cybergrape2077]

That's part of the reason so many new killers run NOED. You have to grind for days to unlock most of the perks mentioned here (and pay for the rest), while NOED is given to every killer right from the get-go. At least survivors get almost all the meta perks with the base survivors.

[@Swarm_]

The grind is too much for a game like dbd, but locking stuff behind grinds isn't exactly something special.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

Noed is fine, endgame is part of the game. U have bot lost the gane if Gens are done. Thats reality. Not this survivor rules where u have to stand in a Corner and wait when all Gens are done

[@timffkl]

The reason NOED is so common is because its strong and free. Most killers won't be buying and grinding various characters or be consistent enough to get the right perks on Shrine to make a build. And even if you get a teachable, then you need to grind until it shows up in your bloodweb

[@rrenigma5835]

I used to play with a lot of slowdown and regression perks and realized how unfun it made the game when I still lost sometimes. I took off all of those perks and started running fun perks such as coup or ensuring spirit fury and it genuinely made me better at the game

[@Japemead]

Whispers is one of my favorite tracking perks. It really helped me develop gamesense and where survivors tend to be located and hiding at different stages of the match, and that sense has served me even when I don't run the perk.

[@Pyro77777]

As someone who is very bad at killer and trying pretty hard to get better, these videos always raise my self esteem and let me learn something new about a character I’m not too good at. I always appreciate what these do and enjoy the content, thank you for making these videos they help me a lot, keep doing what you do and I’ll see you in the next video

[@blakehuston8103]

No one cares

[@naniness61]

keep trying and take breaks if you have to. Rn, i'm learning to be patient with myself. Losing isn't fun, especially when people rub it in your face but now idc. Could also record your games to see what you can work on.

[@themintycafe5208]

I swore an oath to never use Dead Hard or Noed on either side, and yeah I've lost many games because of it, but I'm improving. Thanks to Otz, I got some new perk ideas for my demodog

[@Notwedsquid]

I do the same but I do run dh cause when your at a high mmr it’s really hard killers will hard tunnel

[@NanoScream]

If you didn't already know, I recommend getting Save the Best for Last on Demo. It's an amazing perk for that Killer.

[@themintycafe5208]

@@NanoScream Thanks, I'll keep that in mind!

[@pato6738]

Love that Otz also give a build with NOED, it´s like "Even if you´re stubborn, I will still give you an advice my child"

[@tommypalumbo6917]

I always wondered how DBD matches would go if the way gens got completed was changed. Like if it was a button sequence or something rather than holding down mouse and hitting space. I just feel like completing gens is the most unskillful part of this game. Being able to run tiles is skillful, understanding a killer's power and how to best utilize it to create pressure is skillful. Doing a gen is not. If gens were changed to require more skill to complete then I think gen regression perks wouldn't be so necessary. It would make killers try different perk loadouts and be more interesting. That's just a thought. The major issues with this game I feel though are SWFs and map design. SWFs have way too much information and coordination and there is very little killers can do to counter it. Maps like Badham and Meat Plant are so survivor sided that even the strongest killers struggle to get 3-4k consistently on those maps. Something needs to be done about these 2 factors otherwise I think this game is going to lose a killer player base b/c of frustration of losing to survivors all the time. I don't think perks would be as much of a problem if these 2 things were dealt with first. What do others think about this or am I a little crazy?

[@roseyk6095]

do you want bhvr to ban people from playing with their friends?

[@tommypalumbo6917]

@@roseyk6095 no, that’s stupid and they would lose even more of their player base. I’m just saying that they have an advantage the killer does not, communication. so maybe limiting the perks that can be used in a SWF or something is what i’d want or make gens harder to complete. Something to make a SWF not as powerful as they are now

[@6powersofM]

Don't forget maps like Ormond or Eyrie of Crows. Those just play itself. One safe pallet into another. Break one, they chain it to another, time and time again

[@ludox1546]

Gens is the least skillful part of the game because it does not force interaction between the killer and the survivors. Wether the killer is on your ass or at narnia you can do gens. Doing a gen doesn't tell the killer "hey! come defend this area!" You just do the gen. There is nothing to do when you do a gen. You do not force interaction between the killer and the survivor (which is what makes the game fun), you just hold M1 while someone else loops him.

[@zant41]

To could never make the skill required for gens hard enough to really hinder good survivors. It would just fuck over the bad ones which aren't usually the annoying ones to deal with. It just makes the experience worse for low-ladder survivors while not changing anything for high-ladder ones, the problem still stands

[@BasementDweller_]

Now time for Dead Hard is a learning curve video

[@sbjkt]

nah its almost a necessity tbh

[@tomknibbs2273]

The major problem with DBD is that you have to unlock killers, either through grinding forever or money, and then unlock the perks too, which is a whole lot more grinding. Then repeat that process until you get the perks you need, then grinding all the way through the killer you want to actually play as, and then MAYBE get the perks you need for said killer. The game would really benefit from having a complete refresh of this whole point system, I know monetisation needs to happen to keep it alive but it's takes all the fun out of aying it when it's all down to spending hours playing a style you don't wanna play just so you can get the most points.

[@jjbomber2710]

They have already announced a new progression system is coming.

[@LouisLixes]

Your kind and dedicated preparation to give every useful info you could do just make me admire you more. Keep doing your job, you are a great person!

[@erwinsmith3198]

Whenever Otz squints I feel the sunlight and squint right away.

[@omriorgad7771]

I think one of the main reasons for so many noeds is the lack of good free perks for killers - beyond jolt, noed and tinkerer all the best perks are locked behind grinds and paywalls

[@yeeetem7834]

7:03 I remember one game as a killer, when Jake spawned 20 meters away from me. On new Haddonfield I was near the house and he was on the 2nd floor. Lmao And bitter murmur is actually good! People never expect this perk on someone other then Huntress

[@kind_stone]

Survivors waving around their crutch arsenal be like

[@betasloth]

Take away the insta-down and buff it in other ways, such as making you even faster or negating the slow down from hitting a survivor. So much can be done to make NoED better without removing it entirely. Can't wait to see the new updated perks.

[@Guine523]

No it just needs to be taken out of the game it's completely unfair

[@the1necromancer]

@@Guine523 If you think NoED is unfair, wait until you hear about Dead Hard.

[@DParkerNunya]

@Mr Pickles I feel like the problem with that fix is that it's possible to get everyone into second stage before that point, at which point you've wasted a perk slot. Leaving it as a Hex as well would make it almost insulting, because if you've barely managed to get its activation, a survivor can just cover it with a boon before you even get a down.

[@flegmaniac3462]

I like your idea. But by taking away the insta down I'd argue, that it shouldn't be a Hex, but a perk that triggers after 5 gens

[@bc5893]

@@DParkerNunya what about a late game slugging hex? So after you get the gates powered, survivor healing and get up speed is slowed by 70/80/90% This makes late game very dangerous for survivor, and encourages them to either leave fast for have extremely good team work to where no one goes down. Also it wouldn't hurt as much when like 2 survivor barely get the fifth gen done just to get hit by noed

[@DobbyTheElfX]

This is all well and good, but for how terrible the initial learning curve for DBD is when so many perks are locked behind killers you won't have and NOED is available damn near instantly. Like yes, NOED is a crutch, but its the only lifeline the game gives new killers.

[@profox956]

I can respect this viewpoint honestly...this game definitely feels pay to win sometimes

[@styxdraco6721]

They need to completely overhaul most of the base killers perks, survivors get instant access to full meta minus DS while killers only real meta is a single unteachable perk.

[@moniker2804]

I think if both sides started with fewer crutch perks, the new player experience would be much better. Nobody knows how to deal with sprint burst or dead hard when they start.

[@bethk.3340]

yes exactly!! i am a survivor main and have 1k hours as survivor and maybe 4 hours of killer. i just dont enjoy playing killer but i want to pick up 1 or 2 so i can do the tomes/archives (i have completed most of the survivor ones and no killer ones). so i have played Legion and Huntress mostly as my main 2, i've tried out a few others but i just like these 2 a lot. i got ROASTED last night by a swf streamer because i had noed on legion. i used it to get 2 downs but didnt even camp the hooks and just let them leave while using frenzy. they were pissed and i just said i was new with killer, i mean my perks were Jolt (free) NOED (free) iron grasp (free) and discordance (legion perk on legion). i mean there just arent many good killer perks available for someone who has not leveled up killer. i could use monstrous shrine i guess xD survivors get so many good perks for free and ALSO without having to level up a single survivor. pick one of the 5 or 6 free survivors since they dont have a power to differentiate them, use 1 or 2 of their perks, and then there are some good free ones too. resilience, spine chill, small game, etc. i mean my "main build" as survivor is bond (dwight, free) dh (david, free) wglf (david, free) and a free perk slot, usually small game (free) or bt (bill, free). it's just crazy how killers do not get good perks to start out with, and then there's the issue of having to level a specific killer for their power. if i want to use bbq on huntress i have to get lucky on the shrine or level bubba who i have to purchase AND will never play. i say this as a 99% survivor main, killer have it rough. i hope things change in the future

[@nolanthedude]

Hard disagree. At low mmr, killer is pretty damn easy, while survivor is difficult. As the mmr goes up, this switches. Low mmr killers absolutely do not need noed to boost them up to higher matches where they really struggle.

[@jpsgenius4844]

I have been using the Agitation+Starstruck build that you made for Trapper and it's one of the few occasions where I enjoy killer and one of my favorite builds, even though I feel a little dirty using it

[@Alinoraable]

As long as you don’t play that perk combo as nurse there is no need to feel dirty man.

[@questionablelifechoices7501]

I’m glad I experienced Noed use on a console before I switched to PC for a new start. I don’t rely on it like I did on console. Partially helps that I can actually look around with a mouse instead of joystick and additionally watch unreal amounts of Otz. I’ve found I’m apparently good at huntress.

[@AustinTheBear9827981]

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[@Matt-ri3ce]

dead hard isn't even as op as everyone says in comparison to shit like iron will

[@sbjkt]

@@Matt-ri3ce mans just cant cope, dbd players cant discuss about noed without bringing up dead hard

[@dulizardglasses3170]

NOED is my favorite perk. It’s my favorite because when I play casually and get the ever loving crap beaten out of me by 4 man SWF’s all day long and consider quitting the game since there’s no place for casual anymore, I can put this perk on with a ebony mori and finally get a slight bit of sadistic pleasure that keeps me from uninstalling the game. I don’t play the game to get better and better. I play it to have a fun time, which has been pretty fricking hard recently.

[@DrJesus-st9rk]

love how killers are expected to "just get better" meanwhile survivor skill has been completely stagnant, hell, almost decreased with how much they are getting coddled by BHVR

[@aaporoivainen3741]

I struggled to find fitting build for Onryō and tried to use all meta perks. I found BBQ and chili, Discordance, Hex: Ruin and Sloppy Butcher very fitting. The perks offer pretty changing play style and help in different situations. Still the best advice I got to play killer was to watch Otz's games, they really helped me realize the play style. Amaizing content Otz. Thanks :)

[@luvfae]

tinker is amazing on sadako :)

[@aaporoivainen3741]

@@luvfae I wondered about it, I don't have it but it would be easy to just teleport to the gen. I thought it would be waste with the undetectable status but is it good? Do survivors close the TVs often if they are smart?

[@Barthzor]

Swap out Discordance and Ruin with Save the Best for Last and A Nurse's Calling and you got my build I usually run on Sadako :) giving them a surprise smack when you see them heal is a ton of fun and when you have stacks you can quickly continue the chase or down them when they try to bodyblock for the survivor thats on your shoulder ;)

[@Derp-flash-go-duuur]

I main onryo and I run an unorthodox build that frustrates alot of survivors but idgaf, I play how I want. Nurses calling, knock out, sloppy butcher, chlauraphobia. Sea soaked stone and ring drawing add ons to make it hard to find slugged teammates and punishment for healing teammates. Slugging survivors in high mmr puts alot of pressure on survivors by stripping away all value on borrowed time, desicive strive ect.

[@DondonII]

0:29 Otz really did subconsciously call out every new kill that thought hitting them on the hook a second time would prevent a scream. Of which I'm guilty of.

[@ZandoFox]

I never thought noed was all THAT overpowered. I don't use it often because it gets me one hook in the endgame, then the totem gets cleansed, the survivors coordinate like pros to save their buddy and tbag me at the gates.

[@Budd631]

It’s no OP at all and it punishes survivors for NOT doing their optional objective: totems. They want to run meta and slam gens: fine. But there is a chance NOED will proc and what typically happens is is this: killer gets a down and then survivors then and only then have fear. They search for a Totem and break it and escape anyways.

[@BoolianKazooka]

It's actually pretty balanced in high mmr. Low mmr is where it's OP because teams are less coordinated so it can carry the killer more easily, plus it stunts the learning of the new killer because they will just get used to having this OP perk.

[@Afrochilla]

@@Budd631 no solo survivor team should be expected to do all 5 bones for one perk, and just getting to endgame can be hard enough depending on how hard the killer is sweating or how much pressure they’re putting.

[@Budd631]

@@Afrochilla which has nothing to do with the killer but your teammates. Goes to show you who has actual control. Most survivors are terrible. but there are perks to make finding totems a joke. Survivors can’t be bothered bc they want to have 4 meta and I Cant blame them. SWF on the other hand is completely broken and NOED should never come into play. Killers almost all “reactive” and not proactive (nurse). Which is why the game isn’t rewarding

[@bootychief3484]

@@Afrochilla and this is why killers bring noed. Gens go by quick in the game and if you're mainly focusing on gens then can you blame them for giving them a second chance to win? The game isn't over even if you finish the gens, you still have to play against whatever the killer bring, and this is why I think survivors hate the perk so much. Survivors can easily open the exit gate and save who ever the killer is chasing by simply body blocking, which mostly equal to everyone escaping, but noed forces you to look for the totem or leave. Make the wrong move while looking then you get fucked. Survivors just play endgame wrong when dealing with noed. It's also depends on what side of the game you're talking about when it comes to how strong perks are because lot's of people can say a strong perk is weak or the opposite. I do agree it's a noob killer, but I've seen so many people play around it at high mmr so I say it's weak.

[@Firefox4hire]

NOED is the back up plan Blood Warden is the “suck it nerd”

[@pico2848]

I unlocked Hag thinking Devour of Hope was going to win matches for me and when it worked I felt that I was not growing as a player but only depending on a perk to win.

[@squidbad]

Devour hope is a fantastic perk for learning killer, I would not recommend you take it off. You learn more about totem interactions, you get rewarded for playing 'fair' against the survivors, and you are pushed to get more hooks/faster chases.

[@Budd631]

Devour Hope is the very definition of balanced and glass cannon. More times than any it’s found. If survivors are in comms or running any perks to locate totems it will NEVER proc. None of the killer perks are that strong. All have counters and multiple counters at that.

[@lobstel2515]

Devour Hope is really balance imo. You will start to notice that the perk feel less and less weak the higher mmr you get but actually it's because survivors will start to play smarter and take note of where totems can spawn which will result in you lost the perk more than not. But this is a good thing tho, it will teach you what's the time when it's safest to play aggressive in the early game because survivors usually will not touch lit totem before they can confirm what perk it is. Then when the DH hit you will learn how to play both offensive and defensive to keep the tokens.

[@ba-a-a]

Devour is my favourite perk to pop 20 seconds into the match every match.

[@dumblenutz5561]

@@Budd631 except Dead Man's on a camping Artist, that one's uncounterable 99% of the time and even in the one time your team coordinate to counter it you're still being actively hindered significantly.

[@Hobbits]

damn Otz. I was waiting for Sadako to jumpscare me in the second part of the video

[@Andrew-i4t5f]

I will remove noed when surbivors remove dead hard. It does the same thing. NOED makes it easier for the killer to down someone,while dead hard makes it harder,efectively giving you another health state.

[@that_nobushi2887]

I like running endgame builds like no one escapes death, no way out, bloodwarden and remember me

[@driemen4294]

Can't believe that Spirit produced an L so huge that it prompted an Otz explainer video. Absolutely destroyed

[@terriblyterrified8742]

it's the nancy incident all over again

[@the_last_edenian5915]

Link to the full stream/video?

[@lookatmyfeetDBD]

thing is, spirits harder than spirit haters want her to b

[@TheKusanagi1]

I am glad someone finally mentioned it. As someone who plays both I agree 1000% with this. It's time people start realizing that not everything killer does/has is skill based. Noed Anti loop Are 2 things that legit carry garbage players, I've seem so many players that are fundamentally garbage and get bodied while using strong high skill killer while having strong builds ( blight/oni ) but then do well with braindead ez mode ass nemesis with noed + no way out. NOED literally hands you games. Hopefully this garbage gets reworked or entirely removed. Meanwhile you have people who play m1 killers with slow down and do well in chases, those are the solid players.

[@notreally3345]

"NOED is rewarding bad players", "NOED creates a barrier that prevents you from learning" vs. "NOED is a weak perk. Just cleanse totems", "Only bad players complain about NOED" and "NOED is a good counter against gen rushers". These phrases have been accompanying me (and many more) for almost 6 years now.

[@zackmash851]

yeah i hear "just cleanse totems" often, as if finding and cleansing 5 totems while doing gens is something the vast majority of players (solo queue) can reasonably do in a match and escape. its not an argument nor a counter, you will die more often spending 5 minutes off of objectives and not helping teammates while finding and breaking every totem than you will die to NOED

[@darklemon7837]

@@zackmash851 It takes 2 minutes to cleanse all totems or you can cleanse 3 and know where to do the rest endgame in case noed happens

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

It's because one side has at least 1 valid point...the other complains about noed because they want to finish al the gens in record time and has plenty of time to care about noed, yet they still ignore it and complain when they hit with it

[@texanoni0904]

@@darklemon7837 maybe just cleansing them yea, but then you have to count the time of looking for them, then when you do one going all the way to the other one, and so on

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

@@BwanaLasPelotas Both sides have a point, can you people not acknowledge nuance and stop with the biased bs? NOED literally does reward people when they played poorly the whole game, they wouldn’t need NOED to get the upper hand if they played well during the start to mid game. That being said Survivors who complain about NOED but not acknowledge DH being the same is silly and they deserved called out for hypocrisy, but people DO have a valid point to not like NOED for punishing the winning team just to reward the losing one. That’s very silly design. You don’t give a side an objective then punish them for doing it efficiently.

[@notsoperfectdrummer]

The killers I go against when this pops up in their KZbin feed: 🧑🏻‍🦯

[@jackacebedo2318]

As someone who plays both killer and survivor, I hate perks like NOED and Dead Hard. They’re so addicting sometimes that it’s hard to play without them. I actually just recently got into playing Deathslinger and it’s funny I had NOED and equipped it, but I barely ever get use out of it. If you work hard understanding the mechanics of the game and mastering your killer those perks don’t matter.

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

I would hate Dead Hard a lot less if it was a one or three time use thing. Just not infinite basically. I don’t understand who thought it would be a good idea to have Survivors use it as many times as they like as long as they’re not exhausted. Once NOED is gone, it’s gone, you can only use DS once.. why tf is Dead Hard unlimited? That’s my issue with it. If it was a 1-3 time use then it can allow you to correct and learn from mistakes but eventually you deserve to be punished for those mistakes later. And I say this as a Survivor main who very rarely plays Killer.

[@friizing]

It’s funny I was watching your video on all the perks yesterday and you also talked about this when noed was brought up lol, but it’s nice to see you go more in depth in this video :)

[@isaacclarke9554]

Well timed video, I've bee playing this game since September and only have 400 or so hours (mostly on killer). There's definitely a lot I need to learn and this just got highlighted the other night when I got thrown into the mid-to-high (or just high) MMR. I initially had a meme build but after two games with 0ks I switched to a meta build but my losing 0k streak still continued. I could tell all the survivors in each game were very skilled and outside my bracket. They were efficient on gens, knew how to loop well/use gyms & time/hold their dead hards. Definitely not the sort of games I tend to get and I had such an incredibly hard time downing anyone. Game after game after game of very good survivors that knew what to do. Mind games/red staining is something I'm weak at but being thrown into that bracket REALLY highlighted it. It sucked and it was not fun at all but it did show me I where I needed to improve on to just play as a better killer.

[@grayscale4960]

completely unrelated but 400 hours in under a year? ive been playing since trickster and only have around 270, you are very dedicated

[@hexxygirl7669]

i love psa videos like this and how they are caring, not "hey you suck you're just winning because of perks" its more so a "hey try these out just to see how great you are at pressure and chases so you can be a better killer"

[@B1ngusD1ngus]

Saying noed is a crutch is like saying decisive strike is a crutch. They are both strong perks that can save your game and counter one of the most effective playstyles the other team has available.

[@perseus1666]

But if you are relying on it every game, then you are not a good killer.

[@stanosbourne8825]

@@perseus1666 So if killer will secure 2+ additional kill with this, he is bad? Ok, but who cares?

[@mint5438]

​​@@perseus1666ame with DS or DH? Also a year late I know but my point still unfortunately stands nowadays.

[@Shadowsura]

NOED is the killer equivalent of Dead Hard

[@scars3596]

My issue with this perk is that it feels cheap, really cheap. If I get downed by this all I think is "They didnt deserve this hook".

[@SulphurMind]

I play both sides Tbh I kinda want NOED to NOT have the exposed effect and instead outright buff the killer (I.E faster break speeds, hit cool down, etc.) letting one still need skill to use it and not getting a cheap down with it. Of course I also think Dead Hard should also be a bit reworked, not too much but not too little. Like making the invincibility frames way more specific, or outright removing the invincibility frames. Afterall it's a crutch perks just like NOED.

[@EconomyCrashes]

Yet dead hard of course makes them deserve two hooks considering it can be used to reset a chase which could have ended faster without it… and can be reused again and again…

[@itookaonabookanyway7385]

@@SulphurMind I feel like if someone dead hards into you, you should instantly just mori them

[@Predated2]

@@SulphurMind I think the exposed effect is fine, but NOED shouldnt spawn in just because the final gen is done. Its not the killer's objective and survivors basically get punished for something that isnt really a thing. My take on NOED is to no longer automatically spawn it in, but place it in manually like pentimento, meaning the killer has to choose. This would fix Bubba facecamping a survivor(giving him buffs would not fix bubba's issue around NOED), as he would be forced to run to a totem and manually activate NOED, costing just enough time for 3 guaranteed escapes if Bubba decides to facecamp. It would also fix the crutch feeling, because the killer has to leave chase to activate NOED, giving away it's location, or keep on chasing and activate NOED after hooking the survivor(which gives enough time for a clutch unhook, but would otherwise secure a kill). As for DH not having invincibility frames, desync alone makes that a no-go. You would have to massively increase distance to a point where survivors are guaranteed to be outside the lunge range. Which only makes dead harding to windows and pallets even easier. Just leaving the invincibility frames without the distance would also be horrible. I think the only way to fix DH is to remove "press E to activate" and simply have it automatically activate when the killer lunges. You'd remove the Survivors ability to choose to use it, meaning if they run to a pallet and you swing, they dead hard away from the pallet and cant drop it, it means if you swing while they are about to vault a window, they are now forced in animation into the wall, allowing you to block the window and hit them again.

[@Klausinator451]

@Guys look👇🅥 its not! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXW4q5aZoLhsl6c

[@HerEvilTwin]

If something doesn’t help your learning curve it cannot be called a crutch for it

[@elgurgle.2472]

noed is basically a helping hand to new players and killers struggling with their current rank, it's basically dead hard but in the killer's side

[@AverageTroll93937]

@yo mama ew

[@theysleep4562]

Cap

[@jayscorch3076]

Except that dead hard is perfectly okay to use in higher ranks, but as soon as a high rank killer uses noed its a huge problem

[@justmob9917]

Noed isn't the equivalent of dead hard. Noed is the equivalent of dead hard, ds and unbreakable in one

[@lewist379]

Agree with sentiment El Gurgle but the problem is that Dead Hard cannot be hard countered, it can be used many times and multiply that by the very likelihood that theres more than one survivor running it

[@robinpollard6060]

For my nurse build I run Scourge hook pain resonance for slowdown, scourge hook floods of rage for constant info map wide and mid chase, agitation to counter body blocking and to speed up hooking, and bbq to find chases immediately after hooks. This build rewards you for learning to get fast downs with your power and punishes you for not. Id say it's easily my favorite build on her and has allowed me to get pretty good at her power, such as blink distancing from all the aura reveals. If your getting into nurse and want to get good at her, I'd highly recommend this build.

[@Coulroperation]

It's literally so frustrating having a killer who did nothing all game get 1 or more kills to NOED in the endgame, together with Dead Hard NOED is peak horrible design in this game and I cant wait for them to start reworking perks more frequently.

[@Minumer]

As opposed to survivors getting unearned escape from hatch, a mechanic that is baked into the game, unlike NOED where the Killer had to spend a perk slot on it...

[@Coulroperation]

@@Minumer The Hatch is literally in the game because otherwise the last survivor would always be a free kill, regardless of everything. Just slug if you're scared of a 3k.

[@alicetheaxolotl]

Dead Hard and NOED are both well designed. It's very clear in high MMR when a killer with NOED is just carried by bad survivors, and Otz even shows it in this video. Since he's at a very high MMR, NOED did nothing and the only hook was given to them and happened before NOED activated. NOED alone will not get you kills against even half-decent survivors, but so many people would rather complain about every perk than get better at the game.

[@Coulroperation]

@@alicetheaxolotl Okay! :)

[@Minumer]

@@Coulroperation Just cleanse if you're scared of NOED.

[@mike25box]

I had to run Noed to get the exposed survivor hit tome quest done and was leisured, by a swf, using the meta load out you'd suspect, how Noed was a crutch and said I need to learn to play the game... This community is wild.

[@XLamonteCoxX]

Perks are a crutch to your learning curve. If you don't play Myers with no perks, addons, you're doing it wrong.

[@dragos0902]

I've been using Discordance and Tinkerer very often for like an year and they can carry you and help you improve sooo much. The best part is that they work on almost every killer

[@mistermuse9543]

i used discordance at first before i gave tinkerer a try and now im addicted to it and have problem. i only take it off when i prestige and my hand is forced until i get it back lmfao. im a stealth killer main at heart and i am a slave to that free undetectable + info.

[@benitez8702]

Yeah, gotta agree hard here, used to run NOED on a lot of my killers, but felt like I was just holding myself back, that it kept me from learning, taking it off made it hard to get kills first, but overall I became a better player

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

You can get good and gave noed. This oz giy is just a idiot.

[@hiriasbloodweaver8593]

5:47 literally everytime I decide to try out no way out again, it triggers when I'm in a situation where I have 0 pressure because nobody is hooked and I don't see anyone nearby. The survivors just outstealth me a minute and then go to the gates. I have sadly not once gotten any value from this perk whatsoever.

[@MohamadAlb]

It should have the effect of showing all survivor locations (*not aura) for a few seconds.

[@JarvisTastic]

Try adding bitter murmur!

[@MohamadAlb]

@@JarvisTastic bitter murmur reveals survivor auras for 10 seconds after all gens are done, not necessarily when no way out triggers

[@JarvisTastic]

@@MohamadAlb sure, but it helps point you towards survivors. It's a miniature lethal pursuer, just for endgame instead of beginning of the match. It doesn't mean you'll get into a chase as nwo procs, but maybe it means you'll already be in one when it does.

[@platypusboi5107]

Problem with NOED is that it's a universal perk, many new killers(like myself) will have it before most other goods perks that require leveling certain characters, for example my build with nemesis right now looks like this: lethal pursuer, jolt(i know it's not really good on nemesis and i probably should put eruption but i kick gens very rarely, i'd rather focus on applying pressure), bbq and chilli(blood points farm) and NOED, only other good perk that i have on nemesis is discordance but i don't really think it's necessary when i have lethal pursuer+bbq.

[@modesto_faquin]

Zombies go after generators highlighted by discordance, so it would add a tiny bit of pressure on top of the information you already get

[@BookersJourney]

Discordance is virtually always a good perk, regardless of killer (In most cases), even the best teams are likely to double up on gens once you start applying some pressure, I have maybe 1-2 games out of 10 where I won't get some serious value from Discordance, most games it's absolute clutch for me.

[@foggy_nights]

Jolt over erruption for sure, for those reasons exactly. gl!

[@HarumiYu]

Funny how I do not play this game anymore for around a year or two and keep watching your guides for the sake of it.

[@Niklas-ym6lb]

You can often tell after 3-4min when the Game started, if someone plays with Noed or not. And the i start hunting the Totems :)

[@hell_raser6850]

The killer you are facing alone could tell if they are using NOED. Like if you're against wraith then he obviously would use it

[@isabellaw.6330]

I would really appreciate "advanced killer teaching". I loved the series with Squilla but it did teach not more than basics. Killer teaching for someone who knows the game, the perks and the power of their killers would be helpful for many mid-mmr killers (and I would volunteer as a tribute :D)

[@Anisse_N_Spices]

I have a very simple rule in my loadout: 1 slow down perk, 1 aura reading, 1 control, 1 hooking aid. I also play trapper, because he's a tougher killer to play with on higher ranks to deliberately force me to play smarter and make it harder for me, as well as to learn to play around my perks but not depend on them. With this in mind, my loadout is: Claustrophobia (control), Bitter Murmur (aura reading), Jolt (down-dependant slow-down), and Agitation (hooking aid). I do have tier 3 NOED, but I won't use it until I know I'm a better killer, to learn and play around hex totems

[@sebg1224]

This is a representation of the entire community. Both sides

[@hoboryan3455]

I love how Otz talks about the MMR system like it functions. Adorable :P

[@DrJesus-st9rk]

I'm 100% convinced it's just a placebo put in place to appease the sweat lords

[@valentine9363]

i think this is definitely true of survivors as well--relying on spine chill, decisive, prove thyself just makes you have to loop less, even though looping and winning chases is the most fun part of the survivor experience

[@rahqoun9735]

Decisive ? Decisive in an Anti tunnel perk bro that doesn’t fit in that category

[@eliasar5051]

@@rahqoun9735 Decisive was probably designed to be an anti-tunnel perk. But given how often and how offensively it is actually used in game, this is no longer true. In fact, when I play a killer and I have to eat decisive despite doing literally nothing wrong, then I tunnel that person until he is wiped out of the trial. If he/she wants it, then he gets it with all its consequences. If used properly and defensively in situation that really is tunneling, it is fine. But that is barely happening at least in my games (be it survivor or killer). DS ultimately was designed with good intention, but the way it is used is instant one way ticket to get tunneled for real.

[@Rebazar]

The bigger issue is how many good perks for killer are behind teachable paywalls. I appreciate that next patch is adding a strong universal perk for killer, but more perks like BBQ and Pop need to be made baseline.

[@noodlesthefox435]

they still show up in the shrine of secrets :)

[@Tyboo]

I liked running NOED, because it's the only time you FEEL like a killer, and survivors actually respect you. But this video kinda motivates me to give this game another try and try to improve myself.

[@gabrielmartins7642]

I like playing trapper, sometimes it can be refreshing. Set some traps and depending on the survivors you might have a really fun time

[@harrythegreat21person63]

I think another good way to get better at the game and show you’ve gotten better at the game is going for Adept killers and survivors. You can only use their teachable which often times aren’t the strongest

[@thelastpayphone8463]

I was one time playing wraith with a hunt down the healer build (thana, sloppy, nurse's and bloodhound) and it was doing well. I had gotten 2 kills when the gates were powered, but had made friends with the survs so we were just messing around. Until I hit them and we all realized at the same time that I took NOED instead of thana (hey man, it's just a bunch of skulls) and suddenly all the fun stopped. It's just a really fast way to ruin any real fun, it does not spark joy.

[@brad1426]

One of the best things I ever did for myself was learning to break away from hooks/tunneling and start spreading out pressure more. That and slugging when necessary, to push ppl off gens or get multiple ppl downed. Baiting flash saves, etc. watching your videos also helped, and this one is really interesting

[@Dontaexy]

Otz: "Make your perks don't carry you as killer" Survivors: *laughing in dead hard*

[@profox956]

Dead Hard isn't as cheap as NOED because there are plenty of times when people use the perk poorly due to bad luck or a lack of skill...NOED doesn't require any form of skill whatsoever (in fact it rewards you for doing poorly)

[@Dontaexy]

@@profox956 That's not true at all dead hard is the press E to fix my mistake button. Noed is cheap, Yes but you still have to catch the person which takes skill. As showed in the beginning of this very video.

[@weaponizedautism3269]

@@profox956 It's still cheap And noed can be shutdown before you even get to endgame

[@grayson1227]

I have been a long time viewer and I love your videos Otz! It would be cool if you did some type of analysis videos where people can send in killer games and you can analyze them, give pointers, what you would be thinking, etc.

[@danielmaster8776]

Right... Has it occurred that killers run full slowdown and NOED despite* them actually having learned the killer and being good at the killer? It's not a skill issue! There are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, unwinnable killer matches, and it's wrong to deny that!

[@Wiseguy150]

Preach it, Otz. I rarely ever use NOED myself because of that same reason that it's a crutch perk and it won't help me get any better. Granted, I rarely play killer anyways and don't plan on becoming a pro or anything, but when I do, I know I both do not want to be in a higher MMR bracket IF I didn't deserve it in the first place, and I'd rather avoid the salty comments in chat anyway. If I'm gonna get better with killer it's gonna be through learning how to manage the game so I avoid the situation of having everyone alive at the end and needing 1 perk to bring me back.

[@kaskader7309]

Dead hard and NOED are the most stupid things in this game. I hope the next mid chapter will bring the end to this

[@ajarofmayo6567]

@old days didn't ask

[@aquila519]

Agreed. Even as a survivor main, I really hope Dead Hard gets nerfed to the ground or gets a fat rework. It's boring to see every survivor run DH.

[@Snipfragueur]

Dead Hard at least is an active skill, while NOED is totally passive. Just for that I would not remove Dead Hard, maybe even make it basekit; but in exchange Killers would all receive a massive buff (increased movement speed for example).

[@ilias-4252]

I ll take a wild guess and say that you think dead hard is stupid cause you keep missing hits cause you don't take a second to let the survivor use dead hard and then hit them. Yeah it gives you distance, perhaps some times it might take you to a pallet you couldn't reach and thats why it s one of the best perks. But to think that dead hard is better than borrowed time , old COH and ds (ds is debatable), you really have to miss every hit as killer.

[@onomanonoman]

@@Snipfragueur not really just click a button at the right time or to a pallet

[@MrLegatoblue]

Otz telling everyone Git Gud in the nicest way. A true Souls player 😂

[@kirbysupercalifragilistic7819]

I loved noed when i started but i found myself being an evil character and laughing manically and thinking I FINALLY GOT YOU. It didnt feel good to be like that so that let me grow as a killer and a person!

[@slaayerr1]

Still always felt good as a wraith player when you had those cancerous swf rank 1 groups rushing you and you just turn the tables at the last second while they try to open the doors

[@timkuhn5770]

there is nothing bad about playing noed. The survs have way more op perks that are very frustrating

[@slaayerr1]

@@timkuhn5770 agreed. I agree it shouldn't be your crutch for only winning because of noed every single game because it just means you aren't improving but the perk itself is fine. It's time to start forcing survivors out of their little meta shell and actually having to play with some variety to their playstyle and perks instead of always wrecking killer perks

[@timkuhn5770]

@@slaayerr1 I deffinetly get that survs says that noed is frustrating, but the op meta surv perks are way more impactfull and frustrating than anything else. There is no reason to not use the same" 10" perks as survs and I do not blame them for that, but survs do when a killer plays noed. Survs often turn the game because they have ub ds and all the other second chance perks. Killers are forced to tunnel and camp and cannot play around these 2nd chance perks. Survs often only win because they have dh it is so op. (For high mmr)

[@stixinst5791]

@@timkuhn5770 it would be fun if there was a free rotation of perks (kinda like shrine) where survivor get's to choose 1/4 availible perks, but can not use that slot for anything else. Secondly maybe charges on perks (4games before the perk goes offline for 6 more games) with some compensation for people without enough perks....maybe the 4 weekly perks once you run out of yours?

[@BHNZsam]

For me it's Lightborn, EndFury and STBFL on machete man Trap loops you fully understand so don't need to train on and endfury through the other loops to figure out where you can risk lunges and STBFL helps ensure you always enter loops at different chase distances

[@mongomcmelon4661]

It's the same with facecampers. It's the only way they can get a kill because their mmr is too high, so instead of gracefully losing they force a kill and screw their own mmr

[@ViciadolasPedro]

This video's been out for a while now, but beeing a noob DbD killer that just started it's really apropriate that I found it now, I have avoided playing Noed for a while now, it is a very I fucked up but then it saved me perk and Inrealized that sooner rather than later when I 4ked a Lobby that was kinda destroying me, I did nothing to deserve it, and since then, I dropped noed and now I feel like I've been improving steadily. It's really easy to get attached to perks like it though, many times I wish i had it when a game didn't go that well

[@notspoopyghost1334]

That is a good build, otz, it really is, but if a players is new and still learning, I highly doubt that they just have these perks laying around.

[@creepymaster2746]

The best part is to watch this while I'm getting camped with noed

[@in-ediblecheeseO64]

Dead hard is also a completely crutch perk. Why learn how to effectively counter killers' powers and learn how to loop when you can just press "E" to counter every killers' power in the entire game? I play against a lot of survivors who consistently make mistakes and fall for simple mind games but they are still rewarded because of the all powerful "E"

[@esceneknausicalci]

You can make 20 mistakes and undo them in one button.

[@grantjamesss]

Just wait out the dead hard like everyone else does bestie

[@H2o_Fall]

you kinda of need to learn to loop to be able to use dead hard properly

[@StayinFrosty23]

@@grantjamesss cant wait it out if they dh for distance

[@HTGY6YTH67Y]

Dead hard is the survivor version of noed

[@Kitsune_Chara_CG]

TL DR At the bottom Even back when i was trash still am and didnt play for a year i run Very Basic builds i mained pyra head but wasnt like amazing at him i believe my build was BBQ , Ruin , im all ears , Whisperer Sometimes i did run undying but rlly i wasnt carried typicly and Rather just saw ruin as a way to keep 1 surivvor off a gen worst case its 16 seconds or i get a few mins out of it typicly which was rlly fine w me but once i did rlly get away from even brown ranks into green... I did start to notice that ppl got more competent quick im not rlly an amazing killer but when i didnt get a down quickly typicly 2-3 gens are unfourtanly popped and once i went up against a full red rank team the, werebt potatoes nor a bully squad just a squad that made me work hard and rlly did destroy me i did question how im bottom green (old mmr btw) maybe a full purple but red just means they put in many more hours then me and idk bout the new mmr only Played a few matches since the last annaversiry event Tl tr: i didnt win most games but espacially after watchinh otzs vid and not bieng a salty person i realised i simply didnt expect a 4k every other match and i didnt care aslong as i got my 4 bbq stacks which i managed to do like 95% of the time

[@MistarZtv]

"Let the perk aide you to victory and not carry you." Me after taking Dead Hard out of my loadout.

[@6powersofM]

Dead Hard is THE biggest crutch in the entire game. It doesn't reward you for doing something good, it doesn't punish a bad play from your opponent, it rewards you for making a bad play and punishes your opponent for no reason.

[@paulchen6329]

@@6powersofM noed's still a bigger crutch

[@6powersofM]

@@paulchen6329 Lol no it isn't. NOED you only get to use once (maybe) at the end of the game to gain back a little momentum. Dead Hard can be used at least 12 times during the entire match, giving the survivors numerous second chances for no reason and tanking the killer's momentum constantly.

[@walterdog3603]

@@6powersofM after the first deadhard the killer knows they have deadhard, it’s extremely easy to wait out since there’s no boost anymore

[@6powersofM]

@@walterdog3603 You're projecting counterplay that is only applicable now after the mid-chapter update that nerfed the meta perks, and applying that to a video and comments from months ago when dead hard wasn't nerfed yet. Old dead hard had NO counterplay.

[@tomasp4653]

I use noed and I'm proud about it

[@hollismullins3643]

i personally love NOED a few killers, wraith and end game builds for freddy and legion, but i learned quick that few killers need it, my wraith is BBQ, Leathal, whispers, and NOEd, which is probably my favorite build.

[@JJSEvolution]

Killer is so stressful, it is hard not to hit the panic button and camp. But try to focus on just working on getting better and looping, this will build your skill as a whole and then let you figure out more strategies along the way to be successful.

[@Grushvak]

1st build: Otz, you're handsome and smart and I love you, but whenever you're making a build for beginners or less experienced players and you're not putting BBQ in there, you're missing the target. It's really unfortunate but the perk feels mandatory (at least until the upcoming progression system revamp) if we want to have any chance of unlocking the perks we want on multiple killers. 2nd build: the combination of BBQ and Lethal is my personal go-to, it removes a lot of the guesswork and makes sure you're always in the action.

[@alonelywitch4042]

If you’re new and reading this, try to learn your killer’s power base kit without the really good addons. If you’re swapping the addons every match for say Huntress, you’ll have a really hard time learning how to throw hatchets. Even the 10% speed addon (it’s brown) really affects how I throw hatchets after 300 hours. The numbers are small, but they are impactful.

[@froximussx4093]

Now, this is a bit of a killer rant, BUT since noed will be changed, i hope that dead hard and lets say iron will will also get changed, cause if things stay that way what are insta downs compared to 50 pallets, windows, 20 second chance perks, items and add-ons like sceptic. Its just getting rough over here at the killer side (or for me at least)

[@Tristanskowron481]

Iron will is fine tf? DH def needs a change but Iron Will is literally fine

[@froximussx4093]

@@Tristanskowron481 i meant like if you are running strider then you should be able to hear the grunts

[@SteamShinobi]

Yerv is having an existential crisis and meltdown at this title

[@airbreeze2038]

I really don't get why so many people here are so condescending towards killers using noed. Like "o just new or trash killers use noed". When you play at higher MMR u play vs base kit dead hard and at most 10 different hardcore crutch perks like ds or unbreakable. Do survivors get more skill when using these perks? Why would it make me as a Killer better when I don't run the strongest perks? Like some people pretend like you lose all your iq when you equip noed, while you can also play strategically around it? I especially question why you would recommend no way out over noed, when noed is just blatantly superior? Am I playing better when I make the game harder for myself as killer? I think we have different definitions of what playing good means. The survivors objective is to survive. Perks that make gens go quicker (proove tyself, spine chill resiliance) lead to quicker gens, which lead to escapes. Crutches like iron will, ds or dead hard/exaustion perks waste time from killers which leads to faster gens and escapes again. Somebody who can reset the loop cos he is using dead hard is playing better as survivor than someone who just dies there because he doesn't have the crutch. The killers objective is to kill (I would prefer to go for hooks but the game isn't designed that way). If I can get another kill or 2 with noed I am playing better as I would if I didn't have them and didn't get a kill as a result of it. Again why am I playing better when I use no way out over noed? I can already picture replays like lMaO nOeD gIVeS uNdEsErVed kIllS FoR dOiNg noThIng. Dead hard is stronger: you have it on 4 survivors, you can use it multiple times, it resets a loop which wastes a ton of time of the killer, you can't completly deny it by doing totems... Survivors have even more crutches. It doesn't make me more skillful when I run worse perks, I can improve with strong perks just like I can with weaker perks.

[@Vasiliy9hells]

Friend, i agree with you on a survivor part, but that is not a point. If your end goal in DbD just raking up the kills, by all means use noed, you wont hear me complaining. But if you want to improve your killer skills in chases or decision making or tracking a survivors, the NOED will only hurt you in the long run. DH, UB, DS hurts learning survivor, and NOED and excessive slowdown perks hurts learning killer.

[@airbreeze2038]

@@Vasiliy9hells But that's the point how does using noed affect me when I'm mindgaming or make the decision between commiting on a chase or quitting the chase cos the survivor has a strong loop? I won't go darn I could play smart but I have noed so I lose 50 iq? Why can't I learn from mistakes when I have noed but when I have no way out I can?

[@Vasiliy9hells]

@@airbreeze2038 You absolutely can learn from your mistakes whenever, but you are doing so with basically 3 perks. I would pick a perk that actually helps you with saving time and amplifies your playstyle. Like Brutal Strength or Agitation or Whispers. NOED does not amplifies anything it's just on its own level.

[@sirKoneki]

I barely ever use NOED unless I'm running an endgame like build, but decided watch just in case I learn something useful and you gave me assurance that I am doing something right. The build you've suggested is almost the same one that I've been running for a couple months now and I've been playing less "sweaty" too (aka confirming kills). I can confidently say I am having way more fun in DBD than before after the MMR came out and feel a lot less like my games are annoying chores that have to be dealt with! (My go to build has been BBQ, Hex Plaything, Pain Resonance & No Way Out btw)