Noita: Portal Polying INTO 'YOURSELF'! AKA: How To Die While Not EXISTING!

[@Antleredangelbun]

23:30 DEEEEE.... DEE HASH. DEE HASH MEHHHHHH (instead of du hast 😂)

[@LetsSufferTogether]

HELL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,,,, thats the stuff to wake up to XD

[@DiceMan20]

i feel like this is becoming more of a philosophical thing and less of a videogame thing and i'm all for it

[@CalamityCeleste]

Now do it in the cauldron 💀

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Noita players 2 frames after every new discovery:

[@Salvo04]

​​@@airplanes_aren.t_real THE EYEEEES

[@hemmop1498]

What if you have polymorph immunity going on while doing this?

[@LetsSufferTogether]

Thats a really great and inventive thought.... I have no idea. My intuition believes it will do nothing, but WELL worth a check :) Cheers for the idea

[@Gtvrurker]

cessation uses different effect of polymorphing which is created for it and unaffected by any immunities, so it wont work

[@TheBaker099]

Please test this with the Self Sheep Form spell that the animal protector spirit boss on the island drops. As far as I can tell it behaves identically to Cessation. I always found it weird that they would add a strange "useless" spell and not have any puzzles surrounding it.

[@undeadspez]

The puck shift with philosophical implications 😂

[@anipodat394]

Does the 34 orb ending (which makes you immortal and immune to polymorph) also mess with cessation? I wonder if we could play around with that.

[@LetsSufferTogether]

@@anipodat394 priskip did thirtythree orb cease during ending transition. However. Could be the classic softlock. However, if poly immune does not effect cease, then its much like the other steps we take to do ourselves in on a thirtyfour. Is definatly something to think more heavily on however considering the changing conditions of it all

[@anipodat394]

@@LetsSufferTogether that's really interesting man I honestly didn't even know there are methods for that but it makes sense, cool stuff

[@somedude7595]

I wonder if the cessation entity isn’t capable of loading areas.

[@glassramen]

Such a strange interaction. I've encountered "died to x while polymorphed as mina" thing before, always random though. This is something replicable, and I'm not entirely sure what it's doing exactly. Maybe the portal creates a new mina after you cast the spell, and the game freaks out a bit and kills you?

[@laharl2k]

YOU COULD USE THIS TO END A 34 ORB RUN!

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

I love how in the beginning you keep saying "then we do this and" and the exact opposite happens It's like watching a scientist that has done the same experiment for the last fove years but when he shows it to someone else it does something completely different

[@KryptLynx]

it looks like a race condition between loading and unloading?

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Then is it dependent on the speed of your computer and the in game engine?

[@KryptLynx]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real It actually might?

[@Malkovith2]

It's probably a timing thing. You cessate 2ms too early or too late and you die, otherwise it just transports you. How can we really know what the game is doing step by step while teleporting you.

[@zzstoner]

On the death screen, I happen to notice that the "Depth" was zero meters. (at 5:48). That would (and should) imply that your death happened up at the portal's exit above the mountain. But the game certainly doesn't think so. LOL. The God's message should be more like : "The Code Is Looking For You!"

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

wait is there a new update??? i dont see any news about it yet.

[@professionallid]

I assume that the reason cessation specifically works is because the cessation polymorph entity isn't able to teleport so I wonder if there are any other polymorphs which can't teleport and would possibly cause this too.

[@saintvina]

maybe someone could design a world telly wand that cessates when teleporting (just casting cessation at the same time as the teleporting payload doesnt work, you need the cessation to be a bit offset and I dont know how to do that lol), would make testing easier, like to check the kolmi area better you could teleport to him and from him to test for whether the destination or start being loaded in changes something, and also another idea: what if you teleport from an always loaded area to another always loaded area, not gonna say immidiately how to do it, Im not even sure if its entirely possible, but I believe it could be done if my idea is right it could be a fun thing to try out even if results would be dissapointing.

[@drdca8263]

24:00 : “especially when they use the hash symbol” : actually, at least in Unicode, the sharp symbol is a different character (codepoint?) than the hash symbol/octothorp . There’s some difference in like, the slopes of the lines? Edit: also, what was the thing that you tried to show but didn’t work out? Was it that like, it wouldn’t kill you if you were in a place that didn’t unload? What happens when it doesn’t kill you? Does the cessation just eventually end and you end up on the other side of the portal? Or do you just not re-appear but also don’t die?

[@LetsSufferTogether]

haha we all got our words we use,,, I just hash it up over round these parts, Thank you for point out an alternative use, is interesting ^^ Aye, the failed death ones were meant to be very survivable, did it so many damn times on stream XD We came to the conclution that if you close enough , portal to portal/finishing jump point that nothing unloads (far enough away unloads scenes not needed anymore) you survive, or use Kolmi as a place that is always loaded in once you been there, should be survivable... but Noita be noit XD Was just a demo of the suvivability (once cease ends, you portal completes and end up at the mountain where the portal leads Vs the death and its reasonings even though the similer circumstances,,, game had other plans

[@okiadventures1213]

I don't undesrtand very well english so I'm not sure the matter of the vid, but I think the question is "why we die doing cessasion during portal teleportation ?" Am I right ? So I think, maby it's beaucause the new chunk are downloaded "when" you take the portal, but, because you stay to longer at the start (cause of cessassion), the new chunk finaly unload (cause you are to far from the new chunk), and when sessasion finish, you get teleported in an unloaded chunk ^^ That occured to me with a "parallel world teleportation wand", I used it too many times (extrem speed on the wand), thinking it doesen't worked, and finaly die, in the same screen where I used it. But I wasen't polymophed in myself ;) (the death reason was : "couldn't find Mina entity") I was teleported to an unloaded chunk or maby the chunk was unloaded when I were in. Maby we have to dig on how many time a chunk stay loaded after leaving it and what is the portal chunk loading mecanic ,

[@justinorlesky7567]

what if you use a world tp but before you jump poly yourself would it do it too, or does the tp just fail

[@LetsSufferTogether]

Would be a really interesting idea,,, gonna take the ideas and hopefully do a comment section idea wrap up vid for this ^^ But got a few other really awesome things coming soon to do as well, so shall see what comes first :P

[@docopoper]

If this is due to being polymorphed, would it be possible to die from a portal from other poly effects if you poly during the transition?

[@theslickestcrabaround5588]

I'm inexperienced with noita but like, what's the actual purpose of cessation aside for killing yourself with portals lol

[@hemmop1498]

You can safely kill almost anything with double cast cessation and any touch of spell. That sounds like good purpose to me :)

[@theslickestcrabaround5588]

@hemmop1498 well you got me, i don't know what those spells are but that definitely sounds worth it to me, i don't need to hear more

[@eshelynn]

I'm wondering if you cast cessation too late last time, and the mountain didn't load in, but Mina was already there, so that's why you died.

[@erwin101]

I don't know about the code and am only speculating but could it have to do with teleporting into unloaded chunks and the game loosing track of you? Most polymorph entities Minä can turn into must have some player aspect as you can control them, they load chunks and the camera follows them. Maybe the cessation polymorph is different. So when it teleports into an unloaded chunk it doesn't get loaded and the game looses track of Minä as checking the entire world for player-type entities is insanity. So the game can't find a player entity and triggers a game over. There is no cause of death as you didn't die and the last thing you polymorphed into is the normally invincible cessation entity so you stay as Minä but the game still gives the death message the "while polymorphed as" part. To verify or disproove this idea, someone would need to check some code about: -the cessation entity and what it can and can't do in contrast to standart polymorph -how death messages are handled -in what situation a game over occurs.

[@christopherrogers532]

lol