This is How Molly O'Shea Lost Her Mental Health In Red Dead Redemption 2 (Hidden Dialogues)

[@LoneCommentWanderer]

Poor woman. She was just in love with the wrong man.

[@nomadicgamer]

True💯

[@QuuietandSecret-q8f]

You’d think since she’d of left before the big heist in Saint Denis because, like Hosea, she noticed Dutch’s mental decline early on but her love doomed her.

[@Vespyr_]

She was dealing with a narcissist for so long, and being gaslit constantly from this sociopath. As someone who has been in a relationship with someone like this, it eats you up inside. You start doubting your own perceptions. I feel so bad for Molly...

[@nomadicgamer]

That's why she went and tried talking to Abigail Roberts but that also did not help in her mental condition. It mad it worst and I don't wanna talk about Dutch here cause he could have given little time to her it would have better for all of the gang members 😐

[@ANormalNot-Ant]

"Oh shut up!😡" "Gladly!" "Molly, my dear😍"

[@ThinkLikeAHorse.]

😂😂😂

[@nomadicgamer]

🤣🤣🤣

[@nomadicgamer]

You guys noticed 🫡

[@bigman542]

Lmao

[@vinayvyas742]

molly is not bad nor a rat . she just wanted love and attention from dutch . imagine you love some one and are by their side 24hrs a day and they are chasing after the person who killed their first love , is negligent of you and is literally a heinous murderer. She was a high society woman yet she decided to stay alongside dutch in muddy and swampy environment with the danger of getting shot any time. She just suffered guys

[@OlliWitta3_]

24 hrs by someone's side IS A PROBLEM lol. Too clingy. And under the wrong circumstances

[@vinayvyas742]

@@OlliWitta3_ that 24hrs was a figure of speech to denote she stays with him for most the time he's in camp

[@OlliWitta3_]

@vinayvyas742 yea I didn't take it literal. Just re-used the same figure of speech. But anyways she was still too clingy. When did she ever go out of camp and get work done? No robberies? No side missions. Just in camp waiting on Dutch and nagging him lol.

[@TraveIIer]

@@OlliWitta3_Cuz he was pushing her aside, she just wanted him to see her again. At least that's what it looks like to me.

[@justice_of_Youtube]

​@@TraveIIeryou're still wrong dude. You can't cling onto someone for the whole fckin game. She was in the wrong for being so clingy

[@Lauren007E]

Never understood why people were so mean to Molly. The poor idiot just couldn't adapt to gang life and wanted to be loved. Probably had a fantasy that Dutch was a charming rogue who would whisk her away to life of adventure and passion. Instead she got a creepy old man who quickly lost interest in her and a camp full of outlaws who either couldnt relate to her, or just knew she was going to be cast out in town at some point so their was no point in getting close. (Which would only make it harder to get along with people when they all see you as the fancy of the month, not long for this lifestyle). She might have even given Dutch her virginity, which as a high class woman in those times is a very impacting and limiting decision so she knew she was a 'ruined woman' qho couldn't go back to her old life but wanted no part of the new one she found herself in

[@nomadicgamer]

The only mistake she did is she loved Dutch way more than he deserved 😐

[@VulpesInculta-h2b]

That's an unduly harsh critique and I think it's completely wrong.

[@enyo4539]

@VulpesInculta-h2bactually it’s about right the Wild West isn’t sunshine and rainbows

[@HardToTheCoreForLife]

Some phrases from Molly’s poem: You stood so strong, and tall. You stole the heartbeat out of me. I’ve nothing left. I gave you all Your parasites and lackeys crawl. Mocking a love they dare not see. I sit in solitude and scrawl These wretched words, and wait for thee. I was a girl until your call. I’ve nothing left. I gave you all

[@nomadicgamer]

I have nothing left. I gave you all hits you hard 😐

[@nromnic]

this kinda relates to arthur when hes dying of tb

[@ebbiebean9385]

⁠@@nromnicI can see similarities in the poem and in Arthur’s life. Arthur idolizes Dutch, he was his everything, and he was only a boy when he got taken in by Dutch, which means that Dutch is all he knows. His whole life, he gave Dutch everything, even until the end.

[@jacobcraft123]

Grinshaw got the same exact fate as she gave molly........poetic revenge

[@nomadicgamer]

Karma comes back and hit you harder than you did.

[@orangeville1978]

Classic Dutch gaslighting and manipulating

[@nomadicgamer]

True💯 he is the master of it 🫡

[@kaleidoscopex7213]

It’s honestly sad how Molly went thru , we all know someone that can go lose it from lost love. She should’ve just left the camp but no she “loved” Dutch too much

[@HectorLopez-nu9ty]

She caught a belly full of buckshot for loving dutch, I thought she was pretty insignificant to the whole story but her death weight heavied because it was so unnecessary

[@nomadicgamer]

Yup loving someone so much can cause you death like she got

[@nomadicgamer]

May be it is so unnecessary for you but it was confuse gamers that she might be rat

[@cristianaraujo5858]

Never saw that one at 3:45 but i instantly remember John telling Miss MacFarlane the same thing in Rdr1, i guess John learned that from Dutch.

[@nomadicgamer]

Nope he has always been warning the gang members not get married in camp conversation 😅

[@tox1c212-W]

Scene with Karen saying she lost it it’s sadder when you find out Karen most definitely lost it to the bottle shortly after that scene and well… we know from the epilogue

[@nomadicgamer]

Yes I agree but she knew what was going on between Dutch and molly. When was shot by Grimshaw she confronts her and tells her that she was in love she was not the rat 😅

[@brittanyschmalfeldt6761]

"I'm trying to read here." *literally just sitting there doing absolutely nothing*

[@nomadicgamer]

🤣

[@vinible723]

15 seconds later...."you're a no-good degenerate liar"

[@665Sunshine]

The poem she writes sometime in chapter 4 is especially tragic and offers even more insight into what she was going through since gaining and eventually losing Dutch's interest. (It's on a side table in the Master bedroom upstairs once the gang takes over Shady Belle. You can pick it up to read it, but Arthur can't take it with him.)

[@thecarrotmonster8827]

I'd never heard her talking to Abigail, that was savage, but the truth sadly. I don't understand why people like Dutch, he's just a complete bullshitter and a narcissist, a manipulator who just uses people to get what HE wants and casts them aside when they aren't any more use to him, or aren't massaging his ego like Micah. Arthur found that out the hard way, Dutch has the cheek to say earlier in the game, I gave you all i had! Nah the ones who died following you gave all they had, and all they'll ever have He couldn't even say anything to Arthur when he's dying in front of him, half beaten to to death by his little pet rat and wheezing his last breaths to a disease Arthur caught doing Dutch's dirty work. That's why when Arthur says I gave you all i had, you better fucking believe it!

[@nomadicgamer]

He lived in his own world and just because he wanted take revenge from a guy who killed his ex. Alot happened around but it was all about him talking about we need more money for the last time. I don't think he actually had any plans in 1-5 chapters 🤣

[@thecarrotmonster8827]

@nomadicgamer count the amount of times he says, I'm gonna be fine, then corrects himself and changes it to we're gonna be fine. Happens more than once, and tells you all you need to know

[@themac7915]

I felt like Dutch DID care about the gang... when they did his bidding. And that's the main reason they collapsed is because of him and his ego since anyone who called him out for his shortsightedness or rashness was just "doubting" and wouldn't pay attention to it or outright get hostile. Even though Milton was a grade-A slimy bastard, he was right in calling Dutch silver-tongued maniac.

[@QuuietandSecret-q8f]

What’s unfortunate was she, like Hosea, noticed Dutch’s mental decline early on in the game but no one payed attention until things went from bad to worse.

[@nomadicgamer]

True 💯

[@FadedFlash7]

Molly loved Dutch so much to the point where she started becoming insecure, jealous, possessive, and obsessive of Dutch. She could've acknowledged the errors of her ways and asked for help, but instead, she kept wandering around her own thoughts, got herself drunk, and made up an excuse just so Dutch could turn his attention back to her again. and it cost her life. But Dutch is not innocent either. It's true that Molly's accusations and assumptions about Dutch are just her making up her own dumb fantasies. But Dutch didn't even acknowledge the fact that Molly is just missing his love and affection for her. He never reassured Molly. He didn't show her how much she meant to him. He neglected her. He kept ignoring her feelings, which made her lose her mind. All of this could've been avoided if they talked about their situation together.

[@LordOfHam]

I mean, he was also kinda creepy with Mary-Beth in a conversation at the camp. I'd say Molly's suspicions weren't unfounded.

[@PhantomThief7]

Um it was definitely NOT all in her head. Which has been proven not only in this video but throughout the game

[@bitznazty1469]

Her suspicions certainly weren't unfounded- he apparently has a habit of getting bored with the current woman he's with & then going after younger ones, which is creepy af. He also makes it pretty apparent that he never stopped loving Annabelle, despite being in a new relationship. Having been with someone who did the same thing to me (only their ex was still alive) it definitely does drive you crazy & make you feel completely worthless. Poor Molly just wanted to be loved authentically- her only mistake in my opinion was that she stayed long past her welcome. Well, that & messing with Karen. And not doing chores. But you can't say she wasn't loyal, that's for sure. She was to a fault.

[@nomadicgamer]

That why people say you should sit and talk to your partner but here both are at fault cause Dutch was always thinking about taking revenge and about how we can get more money. Where Molly on other hand loved him 24×7 which is also not right cause the other partner thinks no matter what I do the partner will never leave and then they tend to get busy with other stuff rather than sitting and talking and giving back the love they get from their partner.

[@nomadicgamer]

She also mention that i see you looking at her Dutch 👀

[@LuckyToasten777]

Molly my dear! :D 4:50

[@s7anu]

lol i was just about to say that 😂😂

[@nomadicgamer]

I put that specially for people to notice 🤣

[@nomadicgamer]

Good atleast people are noticing such small details 🫡

[@s7anu]

@@nomadicgamer Keep entertaining us dude i will watch your vids, btw i subbed

[@MaskedRider_FAIZ]

I really like the different perspectives Karen has developed towards Molly in terms of how she viewed her as a person, initially, she saw her as nothing more than a spoiled brat who wouldn't bother lifting any fingers for the gang because she lives off the fantasy of being "Dutch's little mistress", then her perspective changes as she starts caring for Molly's well-being when she notices her getting mentally volatile over Dutch and whatever else was bothering her and even going as far as calling out Miss Grimshaw for having her killed.

[@nomadicgamer]

Do you know after death of Molly. Only she was the one to confront Grimshaw that she was not the rat she was in love.

[@thunderborn978]

I always thought that she meant that she talked with someone from the church (or made a prayer to god) since she said that she got god’s ear now but she was too drunk and lost at that point so it was understood as she talked to the Pinkertons instead. What a sad end for her she deserved better (like so many of the other gang members)

[@nomadicgamer]

She was in love that's it. She loved Dutch too much that was the only problem and She was not the rat. It was somebody else 😅

[@thunderborn978]

@@nomadicgamer yup the real rat *cough* mr blonde cowpoke was right there the whole time.. and the sad thing about it is that she would likely have ended up like Karen in the end or stayed around hoping that Dutch would return the love she felt for him if she didn't die in the way that she did. She loved Dutch too much to leave him and the gang + it was the only thing she had left in life 🥺

[@themac7915]

How Dutch treats her makes me feel like it's just proof he was always a bad person who masqueraded as a noble rebel against civilization and the government. He always had a "with me or against me" mentality and even at Horseshoe Overlook had his more menacing side pop out at times, such as when Uncle called him out for wanting to be an "American king with his knights" which pissed him off so badly he said he'd want to kill Uncle, before laughing it off as some kind of joke after the old man doesn't back down. By the time he does seem to momentarily snap out of his delusion, it's far too late.

[@nomadicgamer]

Yup that dialogue was amazing where he says to kill uncle but at the end they laugh over it 😅

[@artsysabs]

Karen punching Molly is savage

[@nomadicgamer]

She is a badass gang member to have 😅

[@sir_redgrave.sdt86]

She's built different for sure, the bank heist she was part of was one of my favourite missions

[@HardToTheCoreForLife]

@@sir_redgrave.sdt86Yes it’s a very nice mission .. I just replayed it yesterday 😅 I wish rockstar would have involved her in more missions she is a great character .. I think it’s ashame there are no more missions involving many of the women in camp .. I would love a mission with Mary-Beth 😅 even Molly 🤷🏼

[@crayver-6126]

Holy moly. This makes me so sad... Never saw it go this far. I had a feeling I missed something. Wish Arthur could have given her a hug or something. 😥

[@nomadicgamer]

Even if anyone did anything for her still it won't matter cause all she wanted some attention and love from Dutch 😅

[@crayver-6126]

@nomadicgamer True and false.

[@chris_player2995]

4:47 "molly my dear" in the back lol 6:45 "look out Molly!" 😂

[@nomadicgamer]

🤣

[@jacobwright4251]

Always love how they show Micah in the background knowing he’s the real Rat.

[@nomadicgamer]

Tring to do that purposely 🤣🫡

[@luddsen8314]

Even though I genuinely think Dutch cared about "most of the gang".... he certainly still had his favorites.... What he did to Molly however was inexcusable.

[@nomadicgamer]

Ya he had some fav 😅

[@JackEmerson-g3u]

Am I the only one who feels bad?

[@nomadicgamer]

Nope most of us do feel bad for her. Cause at some point of life you love someone like she did and end up getting hurt by the person you love the most 😐

[@FenrirToboe]

She fell for a mountain, and expected the mountain to fall for her back

[@nomadicgamer]

May be both the mountain fell for eachother in the starting but someone was busy taking revenge😅

[@bitznazty1469]

She fell for a mountain, but was greeted with the love of but a molehill.

[@Arthur_Deadeye_Morgan]

She began to decline as Dutch began to decline. It was really sad to see.

[@nomadicgamer]

Cause she felt unwanted 🙄

[@Arthur_Deadeye_Morgan]

@nomadicgamer Talk about Red Dead Depression am I right?

[@tylergavin9341]

I feel bad for her

[@nomadicgamer]

Me too 🫡

[@dylancole3430]

6:51 arthur just standin there creepin then tells molly to look out

[@nomadicgamer]

🤣

[@Axivele1]

4:50 Dutch just casually saying that as if nothing happened

[@nomadicgamer]

Yup and it's funny too

[@OlliWitta3_]

4:32 sounds like the start of a Taylor Swift song lmao

[@nomadicgamer]

I need to check that lol 😂

[@TayshawnTryston1605]

Dutch: “What do you want from me?” 😂😂

[@nomadicgamer]

When I was recording it and when he said that I was like how high is this man 🤣

[@thepumpkinlord643]

Christ we thought we were gonna play a fun lil cowboy bang bang game yet we sat with a cigarette barely touched thinking about everything and realising that we could never even hope to make sense of it we can only go by what we think/hope is right and the impact we leave will never be felt by us

[@shawnmj410]

In chapter 2 , Molly have a conversation with Karen , disscution about they take she serious

[@nomadicgamer]

Did not got this conversation will keep in mind to find it out

[@stephenjacobson6602]

Loyalty can make you lie and say stupid shit loyalty can make you kill an innocent person Loyalty can help you protect and what you love Loyalty can help your confidence in others Dutch expect loyalty without having to be loyal because he sees himself as the Messiah of his people. So nobody is allowed to doubt him or insist upon him in his mindset. Faith and loyalty don't mean anything when you're dead, be proud of me even though my time is up sounds like a used product AKA Arthur Morgan

[@nomadicgamer]

I Do Agree with you buddy that he expected loyalty rather than being loyal and thinking in favor of the gang members. It was all about taking revenge from one person who killed his ex 😅

[@clapdaddy0961]

crazy how they can make a story line in a video game this detailed

[@Renegade2786]

If they were to make a TV series out of this game, they should includes these dialogues in the throughout the first four seasons.

[@nomadicgamer]

Yup💯 it took time to collect bit and pieces 😅

[@nomadicgamer]

That would be awesome 😎

[@loudelk99]

I always felt sorry for Molly, she never seemed to fit into the group.

[@nomadicgamer]

True💯

[@FlyingVMartin]

This game is alive, I sure missed lots of things before scene 10.

[@bsl23nnkio]

It's a documentary bro.

[@nomadicgamer]

Maybe😅

[@chris_player2995]

0:01 😂 2:17 she got her wish

[@Anthony02496]

I love sean and Molly's accent It reminds me of Connor McGregor

[@nomadicgamer]

Really 🤣🤣🤣💀

[@frowersss]

Oof, Abbigale totally told Molly the turh, only if she listened

[@mrnobody3161]

This was very well done and must have taken a long time. I always harass Dutch in my playthroughs.

[@nomadicgamer]

Yes it took little long than I thought 😅

[@hansonrowe234]

All because her broken hand mirror.

[@nomadicgamer]

She asks Arthur to get a new one 😅

[@josefellowz2042]

I never noticed this. She already was lost from the start

[@nomadicgamer]

You can say but she had some kind of an attitude but can't say she was lost from day one 😅

[@ramblincapuchin9075]

In his own sense of things, but I'm not convinced that he was gaslighting purposefully I really think he admired his own delusions. It just got to the point where no one else understood their portion. People need a cause to rally round. It gives them a sense of purpose, like if they're good for nothing, at least they have that one thing going that works Fast draw, best rider, good eyes, intuition. What ended up happening is that Dutch couldn't effectively reward people for trying. He went on about staying together and that alone you get picked off, but it started happening anyway Even to the point where Arthur himself was held captive. So the people dont have a strong sense of what's supposed to work. And worse, they actually had tons of money. It's that Dutch wanted to keep them showing up to the office John was the linchpin to a life Dutch couldn't provide, having a son, it's like most people are conscripted to a cause. Military, sailing, surveyor, the railroad. It was rapidly transforming the country in ways that proved beneficial. Work guaranteed a homestead. A homestead enables a man to raise a family It's not that they were bad per se, being outlaws. The West was home to plenty vagabonds. It's that being a mob, they were addicted to the life with no outlet for virtue. This is the way of many churches, a collection of people who engage with emotive prospects, but don't have enrichment towards their own identity. In the wrong hands, it's a borderline cult The only difference is that the American constitution was founded on the liberty to explore outlets of faith or mantras. And there's enough space and opportunity to found your own brand. For good or for ill It's just a shame that we confuse indoctrination for community. There's an illusion of safety as in being a part of a gang protects you from a hanging after commiting murder. Dutch was guilty of this with his hostage situation and the gang was suffering the consequences of his sin. Life for life. Her life cost him and the gang Arthur's life. The solace being that Jack and Abigail could start life anew That's why I think it counted that John be married officially. It represents the union of two very distinct ways of life. In a sense Abigail is what Arthur couldn't lock down with his sweetheart because he was committed to his role

[@Getgot-en1kv]

How old are these characters?

[@nomadicgamer]

Which one you are talking about 🤔

[@Getgot-en1kv]

@@nomadicgamer all of the gangsters

[@nomadicgamer]

@@Getgot-en1kv Dutch Van der Linde 44 Hosea Matthews 55 Arthur Morgan 36 John Marston 26 Abigail Roberts (later Marston) 22 Jack Marston 4 Uncle 50 Sadie Adler 25 Bill Williamson 33 Micah Bell 39 Charles Smith 27 Lenny Summers 19 Karen Jones Mid-20s Tilly Jackson Early 20s Simon Pearson 48 Leopold Strauss 53 Javier Escuella Mid-20s Sean MacGuire Mid-20s Mary-Beth Gaskill Early To Mid-20s Josiah Trelawny Between 40-55 Molly O'Shea Mid-20s Reverend Swanson Mid-40s

[@JojoFan-g7r]

i cant rlly hate her

[@nomadicgamer]

But in starting you might have

[@joeydabroey1010]

Hey guys, just a reminder that Jesus loves You and that He died for You. He loves You so so much.

[@FrancescodePazzi94]

amen

[@nomadicgamer]

Okay 🫡

[@HadleyAnderson-zz9qr]

Amen 😊

[@mynameisjohnmarsto]

I hate molly when I met her in chapter 2.. she a jerk now

[@GoobieTheGoob]

I mean it’s perfectly valid of her.

[@ruggedrat2582]

@@GoobieTheGoob for real

[@maggotbeIIy]

She’s in the right though

[@justice_of_Youtube]

​@@GoobieTheGoobno it isn't

[@justice_of_Youtube]

​@@ruggedrat2582no

[@IM_BILL_CIPHER_TRUST_ME_BRO]

Never liked Molly at all, she never worked at all, she never did anything to help the group, and people still feel bad for her

[@nomadicgamer]

Ya cause may be they have been hurt by their loving partner and that how you usually feel. So people might have related the story to thier life 😅

[@everybodyunderstands]

she was only like that because dutch allowed it.