The Untold Story of Lyle Morgan - Red Dead Theory

Join us as we piece together the clues left behind in the game’s narrative and journal entries to understand who Lyle Morgan was and how his fate shaped the man Arthur became. From his notorious criminal activities to his untimely demise.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:25 - Edit
01:09 - Clues of Lyle
01:33 - The Life of Lyle
01:49 - Beatrice Morgan
02:34 - The Fall of Lyle Morgan
03:19 - Story Parallels
04:44 - Possible Red Dead 3 Story
05:31 - Outro

[@Estrike4K]

Ik I am late to the party... but GOD DAYUUUUM BRO... I AM NOT EVEN JOKING... THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF BETTER THAN STRANGE MAN VIDEOS... AND I THOUGHT HE WAS TOP... The Editing hits harder than an Arabian Horse kick to the balls... keep it up... am pretty sure you got a plan... (I hope it ain't tahiti tho)

[@zonkers.]

best comment i’ve ever received

[@Estrike4K]

​@zonkers. And this is the best Video i have seen in a while... PLEASE Keep it up... you are going to blow up one day... Mark my words...

[@Waxyyy]

@@Estrike4K how about me?

[@Estrike4K]

@Waxyyy You Sir, Need an Upload Schedule XD (ngl I have seen "What Rdr3 shouldn't be about" vid it was fire)

[@lego_boba_fett_watch]

Wow. You REALLY love these fellers don't you?

[@JarringSteak]

RDR is more than just a game... every simgle random side character like lyle is so detailed. What a masterpiece

[@zonkers.]

Couldn’t agree with you more💯

[@moneyman_2004]

It's better then some movies

[@BufordAckley]

Simgle

[@JarringSteak]

@@BufordAckley 🤡

[@BufordAckley]

@@JarringSteak 🤣

[@John-kd2tc]

Arthur is a prisoner to loyalty. He can't stop being loyal to people, even if he know they are or were bad. His father was a bad person and he knew it. He'll talk shit about his father if he gets an opportunity to do so but he'll also keep a picture of him next to his bed and wear his hat.

[@Resident_Nightlord]

God it's insane how Arthur's character is only getting more complex over the years. I love this game.

[@krispyhoe2126]

This comment fully captures his character so well :( he devoted his life to other people so much that he never truly got to live it

[@johndetheshape3095]

Arthur most not have liked him Since he Said his death wasnt soon enough But a part of him still looked up to him Since he still wears his fathers hat

[@Sketchy_2]

I think Arthur still loves his dad, but knows he wasn't a good man.

[@robertstraw9881]

Lyle and Beatrice gave birth to the biggest legend ever.

[@timmyg316]

I want rdr3 about him. Especially him trying to be a good father after being in a gang and trying to stop Arthur from joining Dutch and ultimately failing. Meaning, Arthur is wrong about his dad

[@zonkers.]

Me too bro. It would complete the cycle of red dead redemption

[@kj_hodder6984]

Honestly same. I feel rdr3 being about Lyle Morgan would be perfect

[@Muksss]

idk why but I feel like Lyle abused Arthur which is why he hates him

[@TheGreatHuckleberry]

​@@MuksssJack would of look at John the same way Arthur Looks at Lyle if John didn't get it together.

[@Unnamed-Cowboy]

Exactly what I thought! It would fit rdrs theme of the protagonist dying you could have him shot infront of Arthur or something and have the epilogue as Arthur young.

[@natethevoicemusic6085]

I think it should be a game where you play as both Arthur and Jack. Showing the parallels of their life. You play as Jack as a 1920s mobster while he flips through Arthur’s journal, as he’s reading Arthur’s entries, you play as young Arthur before the events of RDR2. Therefore RDR 3 allows us to move forward in time, but not lose the Wild West aspect fully.

[@pynk7ivory]

that would be super fun to play but I dont know if I can see R* putting that much effort into a game anymore

[@315Uzin]

Ngl that would be annoying af I wouldnt play that rd

[@Littlejohnnymarston1]

That would be amazing but people are quick to hate new ideas

[@destroyazoid2060]

I’d be down for it. Every installment needs a gimmick of some kind.

[@falloutlifw-ed1wf]

that idea is dogshit the whole meaning of the franchise is to get redemption luckily rockstar has actual writers

[@ScaredFearly]

Happy fathers day Arthur Morgan

[@zonkers.]

🎉🎉

[@thisguyls]

Bro arthurs kid frickin died💀💀💀💀

[@Spelltron1972]

@@thisguylshe is talking about Arthur’s dad

[@Spelltron1972]

This video was posted 5 hours ago how did you make this comment

[@ScaredFearly]

@@Spelltron1972I’m from the future

[@montana47261]

I hope RD3 is about young Arthur and how Dutch and Hosea started the gang !

[@TheGreatHuckleberry]

I think it should be about Lyle Morgan and his struggle with a gang and the leader being an influencer like Dutch. It should be about Lyles struggle with knowing he should be taking care of his son, but this Dutch influencer type is making him have the gang come first. Then Lyles redemption at the end is the gang is about to get a huge score, so Lyle is going to take this money and leave with his son and the leader of the gang turns on Lyle for wanting to leave, so the gang gets Lyle caught and that's why he hangs. Arthur didn't know what happened, he just thinks he selfish. Then boom epilogue is Arthur getting into the gang with Dutch or somewhere around there.

[@FilbeeGaming]

35 seconds in and I'm already in awe of your editing brother

[@UFCandWeed]

In theory it sounds good, but in practice, how would that work really? We play as a character that we know will be hung at the end of the story? I could just see Rockstar shoehorning in some “twist” of having Dutch setting up Lyle to get caught/hung to get Arthur to himself. And I think that would be dumb as hell.

[@Roxis_]

You should make a video about what micah has been up to in the years between the red dead redemption mission and American venom and how he got this big of a gang that we saw when scaling mount hagen, btw if you remember me I've watched you both for a long time and congrats on all the success you deserve it❤️

[@DanielDiaz-kd7si]

Daaamn dude that intro edit with the cover of “Take me to Church” was pretty slick, who sang that cover? That was so good

[@robertovalenzuela9206]

Did you find who?

[@SuperSalome18]

It was awful…

[@youssefalmoazen2351]

Fire edit🔥

[@zonkers.]

Thank you🔥🙏

[@axeboys1004]

@@zonkers.tru tho

[@randomfellaontheblock]

A banger as always

[@zonkers.]

🗿

[@colinator3043]

A Red Dead Game in the 1860s through 70s. A time of reconstruction after the Civil war with the early stages of the Leymone Raiders to the struggle between the US army and the Wapiti people!? ROCKSTAR PLEASE!!! I’d pay good money for that!

[@Sopranos990]

Another lore video to sleep too, thanks zonkers! ❤

[@zonkers.]

Of course man ! Enjoy the video 🔥

[@Arthur-Morgan572]

All them memories

[@hhxte3185]

Happy fathers Day babe ... I mean sir 😅

[@zonkers.]

All them years😢

[@zonkers.]

@@hhxte3185😅😅😅

[@hhxte3185]

@@zonkers. Yes king

[@zonkers.]

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[@RaRoYo1899]

You have high quality videos, you would be a good fit in a Disc server I would like you to join. It's for KZbinrs to help each other with editing, thumbnails, scripts, etc. I would like to convince you to join it, we not be as talkative or as big as the brain trust, but we are a good group of people who need more skilled members. We already have members such as rdr_morgan, RT_Hooded, and some others. We may be a small group of people, but we would like you to join.

[@JarringSteak]

Ok

[@dukemeiser19]

Everyone say happy father’s day to me cause i’m Zonkers’ daddy

[@zonkers.]

Okay dad

[@Mosiah415]

Daddy Master Duke

[@dukemeiser19]

@@zonkers. i love you son

[@CJHaven]

We’re making it to the top with this one 🗣️🔥

[@zonkers.]

Ceegay

[@TheGreatHuckleberry]

I think it should be about Lyle Morgan and his struggle with a gang and the leader being an influencer like Dutch. It should be about Lyles struggle with knowing he should be taking care of his son, but this Dutch influencer type is making him have the gang come first. Then Lyles redemption at the end is the gang is about to get a huge score, so Lyle is going to take this money and leave with his son and the leader of the gang turns on Lyle for wanting to leave, so the gang gets Lyle caught and that's why he hangs. Arthur didn't know what happened, he just thinks he selfish. Then boom epilogue is Arthur getting into the gang with Dutch or somewhere around there.

[@TheGreatHuckleberry]

Or even Lyle and the gang has a big shoot out and Lyle is wounded and they leave Lyle, like Dutch did John. Then Lyle is hung

[@YannieD]

a very stunning Video. It touched my heart a little...

[@Waxyyy]

womp womp

[@dnmem4537]

Very cool video!

[@filmsbyhen]

Amazing video

[@Waxyyy]

Hi Henry

[@AnimeFan22858]

Cant wait i know its gonna be a banger

[@zonkers.]

Thank u sire. We will always be sure to deliver.😊😊

[@AnimeFan22858]

​@@zonkers.You definitely delivered loved the video

[@_sim0nn637]

Time for the Zonkers comeback

[@zonkers.]

You’re goddamn right🧌

[@Riviex]

Arthur in a ponytail is strange(?) but good

[@zonkers.]

Very good😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

[@SalGoochman]

Keep it in your pants old man

[@PIZZAGIRAFFE61]

Hear me out Zonkers what if in RDR3 we play as Lyle Morgan and you can switch characters between Lyle, Arthur, and Arthur’s mother. But then when Arthur’s mom dies we only play as Lyle and Arthur but then When Lyle dies we play as Arthur in a epilogue that is way longer then we play as Dutch, Arthur, John, and Hosea. Then we play thru that very long epilogue that we play as the gang grows then it leads into the last mission of the game the blackwater massacre. So anyways wanna do a Collab about this Zonkers

[@zonkers.]

Probably the best idea for rdr3 that we’ve heard

[@Andre-to1og]

No if they did that it'd be difficult to connect with the characters like we did arthur or john

[@PIZZAGIRAFFE61]

@@zonkers. thx :)

[@PIZZAGIRAFFE61]

@@Andre-to1og well yea but it would still be cool tho right?

[@Andre-to1og]

@@PIZZAGIRAFFE61 in my opinion no, that works very well for GTA5 but it wouldn't work for rdr3

[@gamingwithtim8545]

Hey man, I know you prob don’t remember me, but I was one of the first subscribers on this channel, anyways I just wanted to apologize for not watching any of your vids for a while. And congrats on the channel growth

[@Slixcy]

What is the outro music?

[@skinny5771]

I they should do red dead 3 about this guy maybe meet Arthur’s son, whatever happens I don’t wanna see what happened in black water yet or play as jack

[@TheGreatHuckleberry]

Arthur's son was killed as a baby with his son's mother. Also the west ended around 1915s, right when Jack was in his late teens early 20s the west was over. Rdr1 takes place in 1911 and Jack is 14 think then, close to that anyways.

[@I_JetFuture_I]

What was the song for the cinematic? It was so good!

[@zonkers.]

Take me to church by hozier🔥 Glad you enjoyed👍

[@I_JetFuture_I]

@@zonkers. Thank you!

[@Sopranos990]

It was NOT 💀

[@Mr.MisterX]

It was a lot ​@@Sopranos990

[@Sopranos990]

@@Mr.MisterX nuh uh

[@Seraph_is_taken]

THE EDIT WAS WORTH THE WAIT HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!

[@Twelvvvyyy]

Lyle Morgan game is the dream game

[@zonkers.]

I know righttt

[@Metro_edits999]

Very nice

[@zonkers.]

Sooooo nice

[@pushpopvr]

Editing hits harder than my step dad 12 tequilas in.

[@UNDERGROUND_RADIO]

Holy shi that edit is crazy

[@zonkers.]

Thank u partner 🤠

[@himrmonkey7376]

Ain’t no way. It’s hirmrmonkey.

[@zonkers.]

Huh⁉️

[@andrewcastillo5003]

Great suggestion

[@zonkers.]

Glad you think so!

[@ArthurMorgan_5074]

Lyle should be the main protagonist of RDR3 there is alot of potential there not only would we know more about Lyle but also more about Arthur

[@T_M___]

Any Red Dead 3 would need to include Red Harlow. Maybe Lyle Morgan ran with Harlow and Uncle in the 1860's, before he met Arthur's mother. This would really bring the story full circle. Just an idea.

[@SalGoochman]

This is going to the goon cave, Masons golden pipes send shivers down my spine

[@zonkers.]

O.

[@OG_Impy]

W video bro

[@lannes1800]

the song in the back is so nice , what's the name ?

[@zonkers.]

Take me to church👍 hope you enjoyed the video🔥

[@lannes1800]

@@zonkers. thank you very much i owe you a beer

[@marcelinloic2875]

​@@zonkers.Do you known which version of the song is it because it not the same artist ?

[@Bagnel]

Rdr3 should be 3 MAIN chapters. every main chapter contains their own ''chapters''. *First Main Chapter: You start off as Lyle Morgan and i imagine the length of this main chapter would be 4-5 chapters long. *second Main Chapter* You begin as either Hosea or Dutch and after a while you meet young Arthur and you'll be able to switch between the three with the gta 5 character switch. This chapter would be the longest one, lasting much longer than rdr2 did since you have to cover 20+ years. I imagine the ''best minor chapter'' in the game would be where you play as Arthur and seek revenge for your son Isaac and Eliza. This would also be the moment where Dutch uses the famous line ''Revenge is a fools game'' after Arthur's grief and anger remained after taking revenge. There's a lot of story that rockstar ever so kindly mentioned in rdr2 in rdr2's ''Chapter 2'' *Third Main Chapter* would be marked with the entrance of Micah Bell and the last mission being the infamous blackwater massacre/blackwater ferry job. anyways, there's no way in hell rdr3 wont be a prequel to rdr2 since they introduced characters and gave them a personality who died due to prior events.. prior events being the blackwater massacre WHICH WE HAVENT SEEN

[@train4693]

I know I already said this before, will you be interested on making a video on the 3rd meteorite. That no one found yet, Rockstar noted that there is some spots on the map on where no one explored yet. You all make good Red Dead videos, I think you can make an interesting one

[@zonkers.]

Possibly ⁉️

[@John-kd2tc]

I don't know what I feel about a game that takes place in the height of Wild West. Red Dead Redemption has been about the fall of the Wild West so it feels odd to have the next game at the peak of Wild West times.

[@chaoscriminal]

Red dead revolver?? Not a redemption game i know but it still functions as a red dead game and it takes place peak Wild West

[@moneygaming1936]

Hello, I am probably late for mods but can you show us how to download more pretty gun mod in rdr2

[@Hudsonmartin56]

If rockstar or someone somehow makes a book about rdr1 and rdr2 I would pay however much money they are pricing it at no matter the price

[@zonkers.]

Same.

[@Zinc_The_4]

Long story but it is relevant to you`re comments. One day i was visiting one of my elemantry school teachers beacause at the elemantry school beacause my high school is done earlier and i was takling with her about rdr2 and the final mission with Arthur and she said that she doesn`t play video games bit if that was a book she would read it so i am currently working on a red dead revolver book a rdr1 book and a rdr2 book that i will mail to her beacause she works at a different school now. I don`t know how yet but i could try to give you for free copies of the book when its done if you`re intrested.

[@Hudsonmartin56]

@@Zinc_The_4 if I talked about rdr2 to my librarian she would kick me out of the library 😭

[@Johnny-Boy443]

My belief is that Arthur kept Lyles Hat for the following reasons, he kept it to mock him in a way, like "im better then you ever will be you bastard" and the second reason he just liked the hat

[@vivid_dreamsedits]

My thoughts exactly

[@pushpopvr]

story time! one day, lyle morgan met a woman named beatrice, they loved each other very much. but one day, a child was born. lyle was so mad at this he drank to cope, wishing the child was never born, and annoying the mother about it to. he was so irretated at the mother for the birth, when she became sick he never even bothered to help. stuck at the bottom of the bottle and continuing a life of crime, the mother passed leaving a sad child and a whiskey bent father. the father was very mad at this point. abusing arthur, blaming him for beatrice's death and hating him ever since. leading to the derogatory words in arthurs journal. following the events, lyle was tried and found guilty of larceny, ending in a hanging. following lyle's example, arthur turned to a life of crime, running with dutch van der linde. later, arthurs attachment to family left him caring for the gang members. dutch not having that sense, instead aided micah in the end, due to him sharing the same ideologies. that is story time about the storyline of rdr2 served fresh by a 10yr old. enjoy

[@silasmerzenich]

Thats the best thing that could happen for rdr3

[@LankyLanc03]

Doubt there will be a rdr3 tbh

[@mickeyhoward1226]

What hair style was that at 3:27

[@DaNkDUROO]

That game sits well with my childhood because of all the bullshit I had to go through with my family members. I understand why he keeps that he keeps the hat to remind himself of where he came from, even if he does lose himself and his dad’s ways

[@smoke_shak8254]

Another prequel would be the best

[@Arthur_morganfan]

Imagine high roller revolver was Lyle Morgans not Frank Heck

[@madmodder007]

I think they should do something else. Or O'Driscoll , dlc story .

[@AnimeFan22858]

NOOO i missed it im watching now tho

[@zonkers.]

Good.

[@user-qd2rl3yi6k]

i just found your acct but the story telling and editing in your vids are great

[@zonkers.]

thank you so much bro!

[@keecko8169]

for the rdr3 lye idea I say section 1 be as we play through a small section with Lyle, rob a train, kill some lawmen, maybe top off the end with robbing the bank of a alive prospering town of Tumbleweed. Then we shift to young arthur, as the bank robbery went poor on the escape and Lyle gets hung within our first mission with young Arthur. Shortly after we fall in with Dutch and then we get a new timeskip to when Arthur is around 28. We miss out on characters like Sadie, Charles, Lenny, and Micah. But we can be introduced properly to characters like Mac, Davey, and maybe even that one unnamed rat gang member Arthur mentions to tilly in an optional dominos game. End it off with how the Van Der Linde gang robbed banks when they were succesful with the gang robbing and securing the money from the same bank Lyle tried to rob with his small gang around 15 years ago. Then for the epilogue you could just swap through playing as Lyle before he had arthur or arthur after the bank robbery

[@Thelast3ambender263]

Lyle Morgan looks like, my RDO character 😭🙏

[@officiallibragamingchannel283]

what if: Red Dead Redemption 3 3 stories Part 1: Lyle Morgan Part 2: Arthur Morgan's early days with the Van der Linde gang up until they reach Colter after the failed robbery Part 3: Jack Marston

[@dariusporter358]

What if Dutch knew Lyle and was a good friend of his. Before Lyle dies he makes Dutch promises to take care of his boy. We play as Dutch in the epilogue and he finally finds Arthur(Arthur ran away during his father’s hanging) and takes Arthur in. Depending on how close they make Lyle and Dutch, it would make Dutch’s betrayal of Arthur hit even more since he would also be betraying Lyle also. To those who say why Arthur never mentioned Dutch knowing Lyle it’s because Dutch never told Arthur. It’s not out of character for Dutch to keep a secret.

[@biigby_]

I'd pay any price for additional content for rdr2, unfortunately it's Rockstar won't ever bother

[@zonkers.]

Same here broski

[@avery2041]

Kieran lost his parents too and suffered abuse by others but didn't let it make him mean. He stayed a soft boi and unfortunately that's what got him killed.

[@jsprung8548]

I hope we play as him in the next one. Or at least someone from that timeline. They’d do a real disservice to us all if they go deeper into the 1900s

[@WutAPunk]

Imagine playing as Lyle Morgan, and the objective of the first mission is "Go home and beat your son" 😭

[@Jackson-bv3dd]

niiiice

[@zyking5298]

0:37 Ik yall seen that

[@mm2003.]

Such a badass father Arthur had

[@Markkwebsterjr]

It’s a shame they didn’t do more expansion to this game

[@tj_the_sloth]

I the the third game will be you playing as arthur morgan pre blackwater than blackwater than we can also see what Dutch did by like a dynamic camera would show Dutch than after he kills the lady you see the gang run and you play the blackwater event than it ends or maybe you play as Kenny or Lenny whoever died during the mission and witness it than die than you play as arthur but you play as him in between chapter 2 and 1

[@donaldbrown5655]

i think its all a dream by red harlow and he will wake up

[@erasercheesesus485]

what if lyle morgan was a corrector in red dead 3

[@aliveandfilming2]

Sure, as long as I can do Lyle's voice 😊

[@Apple37709]

i know the song.. but i wanna hear it all now with who ever sang it-

[@Waxyyy]

Song sucked

[@robertstraw9881]

If you were to set the game in 1860s America then there’d have to be more references to the American Civil War.

[@acrocantho_saurus]

Smilodon is theorised to have ears like a Caracal. Long black fur sticking out of them aswell as more fur in the cheeks like a snow leopard.

[@gg_balty9788]

i whould love if red dead 3 was liek that

[@pdotjdott]

Arthur has a lot of self-hatred over who he is for his crimes, so I feel he wears his dad’s hat as personal reinforcement that he’s no different from his father.

[@user-pi2ri8lk1v]

That's who rdr3 should be about

[@Red_Morgston]

Yay

[@zonkers.]

🪩🪩🪩🪩

[@nekbrok4829]

I would be more interested in a rdr3 with Jack Marston

[@ragingredhead304]

Can someone please tell me the name of the song playing a 3:42 and you’ll be guaranteed good luck for 10929292 years please I’m so desperate

[@Estrike4K]

Table Top

[@Poja_0811]

I want that rdr 3

[@zonkers.]

Me too brother 🙏

[@Poja_0811]

@@zonkers. i think we'll end up seeing it like 2027 or something like that sadly

[@legbot124]

Is lyles model still in the game?

[@zonkers.]

Nope :(

[@legbot124]

@@zonkers. not surprised now that i think about it theres no model for packie mcrearys dad in iv and hes only in a photo

[@zonkers.]

@@legbot124i feel like there’s a small chance that the lyle morgan we see in the photo could be just an old version of arthur that rockstar scrapped

[@leratonzala3550]

In the red remption world these not alot of back story's to explain each characters history 😢

[@travisbarton5460]

They all are people others didn't want around...the world turns its back on you so you do unto it...THE WORLD.MAKES YOU A OUTLAW

[@BigBoss-lp9yi]

In the next game, they need to connect Revolver to Redemption and explain how some of those stories were exaggerated and that's why Revolver was so cartoonish as far as presentation. I want Red to return, so bad 🤗 Marston favors him enough, I'm js 😆 Something. Fan service man 😌

[@Rebelgoose]

This is my personal favorite theory for RDR2. We’d get a game set while the wild west was still crazy, we’d get a unique story that still ties and shows how things repeat themselves. We’d see the rise, decline and ultimate fall of the van der linde gang. The only thing is they might need to do a time skip from epilogue 1 to 2 so the player wont have to play as a literal child

[@alwayshalfchill8361]

rdr3 is gonna come out in 2030 so no matter what they give us im sure we would be happy

[@I-mour]

Some Mexican told me to give you a message and that is “LUNA LOVES YA 🐷❤️❤️❤️”

[@zonkers.]

Ok.

[@elijahsterling3544]

Forget Lyle. WHAT ABOUT COPPER?!!??

[@RealDrDisRespectJunior]

POST A FALLOUT VIDEO

[@GNSLMoody]

Wait jack is alone? What happened to Abigail

[@zonkers.]

she died right before you play as jack in red dead 1

[@user-vl7oz1gu3t]

For some reason, I don't think he was abused.I think he was just neglected. I mean, he could have been abused, but for some reason, I just don't think he was.

[@flosslikeaboss59]

chat gpt ahh video 😭

[@Waxyyy]

Nah fr 💀

[@Jasongilliar]

But jack

[@guitarman8462]

What About Arthur's son ?