Nomi Marks - Sense8 1x02 "We March With Pride." (SUB ITA)

[@saturns-world]

This makes me so happy I can't stop smiling 😁😊

[@BellaKat7]

Hate and shame are a part of the seven deadly sins. Wrath, which means anger is a deadly sin. And as Yoda says, “anger (a.k.a. wrath) leads to hate...” Shame is when we want to put people lower than ourselves. That is a prideful thing to do, which pride is also a deadly sin. The seven deadly sins are the root of all other sins, which is what makes them so deadly. If you can remove the root, such as wrath, then you won’t ever hate. After all, how can you hate without anger(wrath)? Remove the pride and there will be no shame, for you will have no desire to put yourself above someone else. So yes, hate and shame are covered in the seven deadly sins. I, too, want a world of equality among the races, genders, and sexual orientations. A world without hate may never be obtainable because we are human, but it is definitely something to always strive for!

[@articulatedkat6608]

Yeah, this all sounds great, except when you factor in two key details. One, Hate and Shame are NOT part of the seven deadly sins, i.e. the capital vices. And two hatred does not depend on wrath or anger to flourish. Hating someone because they are from another place, believe in a different god, love someone you don't think they should love - that's based on ignorance not anger. And you can be full of rage at the bigotry of others, at people so arrogant that they believe they have a divine right their personal religious beliefs being enshrined in the law, without hating them. The reason homophobia became a preferred term is because it was an acknowledgement that people's bigotry against homosexuals was based far more in fear of what they do not understand, than in hate - that their bigotry deserved to be looked down on, without necessarily looking down on the people expressing it. People who might be your own friends and family, people you might love or otherwise respect. Also, what you're describing as pride is really arrogance, hubris, narcissism - and again, they are NOT the same thing. Pride is not inherently excessive or self-righteous, and you can feel pride in yourself, other people and institutions, even just being proud of a specific accomplishment, without every thinking another person is lesser than you because they didn't accomplish what you did. The vilification of human Pride was rooted in making sure that people gave "God" credit for everything, because if "God" made everyone and everything, he is responsible for every good thing that exists - though apparently he gets off the hook when it comes to everything bad that exists. People experience pride every single day without being arrogant or looking down on others. No one assumes that an Olympic gold medal winner, their chest swollen with pride at what they've done, is looking down at the silver and bronze medal winners thinking, "What losers." And no one assumes that the silver and bronze winners are wallowing in shame for their failures or casting Wrathful looks at the person who beat them. It's "God," who demands that you have no other gods before him, but it's human Pride that's the venal sin; now there's some bass-ackward logic. Not to mention that shame is a major psychological trigger that can exist without the pride of others remotely coming into play. Just listen to some of Brene Brown's work if you don't believe that. Shame triggers are built by years of abuse from narcissists, by those people teaching us that we should be ashamed of who we are and what we do, not otherwise decent human beings being proud of what they've accomplished or of who they are. The problem with the 7 deadly sins is that they are neither deadly nor are they all inherently bad or excessive. They aren't even recited as only extremes. Greed, Gluttony, Sloth and Wrath are the only words which lean toward on extremes, but Sloth is a synonym of "sluggishness" and not only does legitimately righteous Wrath exist (just imagine the amount of anger and rage that Amanita is likely harboring for Nomi's mother in Season 1 of Sense8), but hatred and Wrath have almost no shared direct synonyms. Animosity does not mean the same thing as Wrath, nor do abhorrence, detestation or antagonism. Meanwhile Pride, Envy, and Lust are not remotely words for extremes of those emotions. And as a lover of the English language, I'm a little offended when anyone claims otherwise. The word Pride is inherently tied to what you think and feel for yourself or those you feel pride for, it's not an emotion rooted in looking down on others - again, that would be a term like arrogance or egotism. The only people who treat Pride as a direct synonym for conceit, are doing so based on Christian mythology's impacts on how we use it. Self-respect and self-esteem are far closer to direct synonyms. And Lust? Puhleaze. That's one of the most common and default terms in the English language for sexual desire - a perfectly healthy and natural part of human existence for the bulk of the species. I'm not even sure any single English word means an 'overabundance of sexual desire', to the degree that it's unhealthy or dangerous; that's the kind of thing that requires a whole phrase. While Envy is also just another term for desire; desiring something that another person has and you don't. It doesn't stop being Envy if you like the person you're jealous of, it doesn't stop being Envy if you think they deserve whatever they have, which you don't. And Envy doesn't require that you desire to take the thing you want from someone else. Let us not forget, you can 100% covet your neighbors wife without wishing she got a divorce - you might even Envy the sexual chemistry of a couple you'd very much like to have a 3-some with. I Envy people who can draw, it doesn't make me wish to wrench that talent from them and make it my own. The word certainly doesn't imply an inherently unhealthy, malicious, discourteous or self-righteous desire. A world without hate would be amazing - but a world without Pride would be appalling and horrific. That's a world without a sense of accomplishment or self-confidence, where believing yourself worthy of love is immoral. A world without Lust would be agonizing and would eventually lead to the extinction of the human race. A world without Envy just sounds boring - and like the literal death of capitalism in any form, because no one is innovating and inventing anything if they're not looking at what already exists and thinking, "I want more" or "We can do better." Envy encourages us to ask more of ourselves, and our world; it pushes us to create amazing fictional worlds, where we might be heroes, villains, monsters or angels. Yes, in extreme cases Envy can fuel nightmares, but every single day it turns dreams into reality. And the real irony of Nomi's discussion of Thomas Aquinas is that his family held him captive for nearly a year, to stop him from choosing a vocational and theological path they didn't like. They even tried to prevent him from joining the priesthood by hiring a sex worker to seduce him - whom he threated with a burning log. So, in their arrogance, Thomas' family tried to take control of his sexual identity and his life choices. And in his arrogance and "perfect" piety, he felt justified in attacking a woman whom might well have had no idea why she was being paid to screw this guy, a woman whom whose only documented crime was being 'lustful." He then went on to write books intended to prove that Catholicism was absolutely truth and anything else, any faith that differed from theirs, was inherently bullshit. I guess Thomas should've just been grateful that no one tried to lobotomize him, like they tried to do to Nomi - in his name one could argue.