Non Precision Approaches with the FLS! NEW ToLiss V1.3 with a Real Airbus Pilot

[@aaryanramourti3081]

hey captain, did you hear about the fenix sim a320 ceo for MSFS? opinions on it? and loved this video as always!

[@offtheice]

apparently FLS is already in alpha

[@hjr2000]

Yes, I mentioned it to the Cap on his Discord 🙂

[@galembeck]

Super helped me! Thank you so much... I watched your video during my flight on IVAO, preparing for landing and I did great with your help.

[@davida3940]

Terrific video! Thank you!

[@tomstravels520]

I asked the question to a pilot about keeping the FD’s on. He said whilst technically you can their airline turns them off simply because A) you should be visual with the runway and B) as you saw in the video the plane might not quite be on the centre line so it stops the pilots fixating on the FD then realise at the last minute they’re too far from the centre line

[@fobypawz418]

I suspect the laser beam is balanced with sort of gyro system independant of the planes attitude. So it will show deviation of any changes of the touch down point for any changes to vertical speed regardless of whether the plane is pointing up or down.

[@vee1rotate]

The packs can be fed with APU bleed air, if extra engine performance is needed. You turn off the engine bleeds (not the packs) leaving the APU running, with APU bleed on, and your pax will be cool and comfortable!

[@matthewfarrow4754]

Hi 320Sim Pilot - great video as always. In real life, what proportion of your approaches tend to be ILSs and what proportion non-precision?

[@iBlue0riginal]

Will totally use that in the real world. With my A320. That happens to be parked at my backyard.

[@togafly.]

Haha

[@tomstravels520]

You’ll have to update your engine failure at cruise video as the OEI CRZ has been added now

[@olleman42]

When it comes to the ToLiss A321 only the NEO variants support FLS - you might have mentioned but I thought I'd just drop that in just in case.

[@theisaac8656]

Thanks for the informative video, have been looking for something like this about the FLS system for a while. I think you mentioned X-plane not recognising 08L... I belive that the Origami Studios EGKK disables it as default, but can be enabled using a solution in the included manual.

[@holobolo1661]

"I'm assuming here... which you should never do" *assumed temp has entered the chat*

[@harastha]

I think you misspelled non with neon

[@SecondSky881]

Have you been contacted to Alpha test the Fenix A320 in MSFS?

[@hevoksimpilot6359]

There's ILS, RNAV LPV, RNAV LNAV/VNAV, (AR-)RNP, GLS. Thought I knew them all. But nope, there's also FLS it seems. What's next? :) Personally I prefer LPV: the DA is the same as the DH of ILS CAT I, which is good enough for most landings. GLS seems to be the future and ILS replacement eventually but I haven't seen it in simulations so far. Anyway, I would be thrilled to see all these different approaches in MSFS.. some time... before 2030...or so.... :) Thanks for another informative video, thumbs up!

[@tomstravels520]

FLS is not an approach type. It’s just a different way of flying a NPA. LPV minimums is using and SLS in Airbus and can only be done in the A321Neo variants of the Toliss. The others are LNAV/VNAV only. The term RNAV is being removed from approach charts and it will just be RNP or RNP(AR) if it had a radius to fix in the approach

[@TopgunB]

So will this make FinalApp and either NAV/FPA or Track/FPA obsolete? Seems so much easier than especially Track/ FPA.

[@320SimPilot]

Good question! I suspect TRACK/FPA will have its place in case of loss of navigational accuracy etc, time will tell! Thanks for watching

[@tomstravels520]

FINAL APP is not present in the A380 and the A350 has a different mode for curved approaches called APP-DES for vertical and stays in NAV for lateral. Uses FLS for straight in RNP approaches

[@TopgunB]

Excellent as usual! The A380 has had this since 2006--wonder why it has taken so long to hit the A320?

[@tomstravels520]

The A380 doesn't have a FINAL APP mode which the A320 does. They both do the same thing pretty much in general so no need to rush it to the A320/A330. Plus when first released aircraft could only have FLS or FINAL APP, not both

[@letsseeif]

Try turning them off in Australia in Summer.

[@320SimPilot]

There’s a good example of leaving both packs on!

[@virtualaviator21156]

We heard of Alpaca airways, Now manta airways haha! next is gonna be elephant air LOL

[@togafly.]

Your description says airbnus instead of airbus

[@Rufus_L]

How about presurisation , don't the packs presurerise the cabin.

[@VmcgHD]

Never liked FLS. It had its uses but it was also a dangerous approach mode to use if you didn’t know it’s gotchas! Newer aircraft may have solved this but older aircraft had either FLS or RNP/RNAV approach to select in the FMGC. This was pretty dodgy at one or two places. Try seeing how well an FLS approach does in DLM on runway 19. 😉

[@tomstravels520]

Pretty sure there would be a limitation if the final approach course is different to the runway by a certain amount of degrees

[@VmcgHD]

@@tomstravels520 It never quite worked like that. It simply “drew” a centreline out from the runway threshold and a pseudo glide slope from the touch down zone. This was fine when there was no terrain around. And it meant nasty little offset NDB approach’s could be flown almost like an ILS. No nasty offsets and with pretty accurate descent guidance. However, it also had a nasty habit of replacing RNP/RNAV approach’s that were in the FMGC. So, instead of flying an RNP/RNAV approach that may have been designed to miss some hills, an FLS approach would draw the final approach track and pseudo 3° glide slope straight through or very close to the granite the RNP/RNAV approach was designed to miss. 😳😳 In Dalaman specifically, the RNP 19 approach was steep and thread it’s way through a valley. If the aircraft was equipped with FLS, you couldn’t fly the RNP approach as the FLS replaced it. Had this gone unnoticed and you flew the FLS approach instead of the RNP approach, you’d find yourself off course and heading straight for the hills. If you didn’t hit them, you’d certainly set off the GPWS, scare the crap out of yourself and probably lose your job. In IMC, this could be very dodgy so you had to know how and when to use it. Some places, like Dalaman it was forbidden to use it.

[@tomstravels520]

@@VmcgHD yes so what I’m saying is if the final approach course for RNP19 at DLM is 206 but the runway heading is 191 then FLS should not be used because of the 15 degree difference. And same would go for any airport but maybe it’s allowed for a 1-2 degree difference

[@VmcgHD]

@@tomstravels520 ah ok I’m with you. I agree it’s a great example of when it can’t be used. Annoyingly, in the last outfit I worked for that had it, FLS replaced RNP/RNAV arrivals. So if you flew an FLS equipped aircraft to Dalaman, you’d have to fly a different approach because the RNP arrival wasn’t available in the box. Not ideal when the weather was crap and everyone else was flying the RNP approach. You got shoved to the back of the line. 👎 And if anyone selected the FLS approach by mistake, not realising it was not the RNP approach, they could get in real trouble. Seems like a stupid thing to do, and I never heard of it happening (we were a attentive and observant lot), but the error was there to be made. Is a nice idea, but I’m glad my current outfit doesn’t have it! Give me an ILS or RNP approach any day. 👍

[@tomstravels520]

@@VmcgHD ah I see. Didn’t realise some planes had FLS replace FINAL APP. So what happened when you wanted to do an RNP(AR) App? I though the big giveaway you have selected FLS would be seeing the pink diamonds whereas RNP would be green boxes. And as the toliss gives you the option for both I’m guessing a lot of airlines have this now. In the Toliss you can also now fly GLS and SLS approaches

[@theokarterilla9683]

Hello and thank you very much for your great and beautiful videos, really appreciate them all. It helped me to understand many many many things of the A320 planes! Thank you!. About FLS. Did you ever try to use Toilss A321 Neo latest version ie V1.5.1 with this approach mode? I've tried to follow exactly step by step your video but with no luck. There is no way in PERF/APPR to select the FLS or even Final App. The only way is to disable SLS (deselected) in RAD/NAV. But if you do it Final App only has (seems logic you disable it ) only vertical (one green brick) and lo laterà brick. FLS instead is working. I do not know if this is correct. Same is happening for the new Toils A320 (version 1.0), while the "old" A319 has only Final App. Thanx again

[@tomstravels520]

It depends on the approach you selected. For a typical RNAV/RNP approach where you flight straight in to the runway then FLS is available or FINAL APP with just the vertical guidance brick. If you select an RNAV (RNP) or RNP (AR) that has a higher accuracy requirement of 0.3nm or higher then you will get the lateral brick. This is because these approaches are typically using curved paths to navigate between mountains or avoid built up areas. In short SLS is default because it gives the highest accuracy for a straight in approach. FLS is recommended by Airbus if SLS is not available because it behaves like an ILS. FINAL is only mandatory for curved approaches

[@Dg-zj6jo]

is this coming to a319 sir or it it just a321 p;lease

[@Dg-zj6jo]

amazing this is i thought of you ha enjoy

[@tomstravels520]

Only the A321Neo versions as it’s a relatively new feature

[@Dg-zj6jo]

cheers thomas