NOOB in F-16 VS PRO in Lower BR Plane - Pro Wins, Plane Gets Worse - WAR THUNDER

Hey guys! Welcome back to the Thunder with Muffin channel. A new challenge in War Thunder is waiting for you in this video NOOB IN F-16 VS PRO IN PROP AND WORST PLANES (P-51, Me 163, F-8E, etc…)!!! Stay tuned!
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[@MrCamelBeans]

There is genuinely no way someone can be this bad at flying.

[@adamsavage6902]

"It is better to fly badly than fall well." - WT

[@BumHoleTickler]

​@@adamsavage6902I'd rather fall well

[@adamsavage6902]

@@BumHoleTickler you sir dont play war thunder then

[@itzhotaki]

Everyone start Somewhere bro

[@Britishball6]

@@BumHoleTicklerwtf is ur name

[@pharthasa]

The definition of “its not the plane its the pilot”

[@Esylian]

That is very true. It depends on the pilots skill. Not the planes defaults.

[@yurimasayoshi9475]

You mean the DEFYNition?

[@Jfk1245]

Kinda, if they had read a quick guide on how to use 7fs and 9ls they would have only lost 3-4 rounds

[@hemendraravi4787]

You can't dodge 9L or r60m in head-on lol

[@CircusJeanie2399]

@@noname.noname.3560 thank you

[@0range862]

Basically a fight of a toddler with a machine gun vs a grown adult with a rock

[@hypeflexington7081]

Idk... Darfur showed us that a kid with a gun will kill you just as dead as an adult with a gun

[@ethanchristianson4922]

You are only defeated until the toddler says “wha du thi buddin du”

[@massimovolpe1343]

​@@hypeflexington7081that's probably why he said a toddler. A kid can hold and fire a gun, a kid with a machine gun wouldn't be able to lift and aim it. Much like he wasn't able to fire his missiles that would have completely obliterated defyn as soon as he lost countermeasures

[@appa609]

​@@hypeflexington7081Not if he doesn't know how to work the safety

[@tadeaspekar9043]

@@hypeflexington7081toddle is not a kid buddy

[@sergionix26]

"Never flown a jet before" bro never flown a plane before 😭😭😭

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

That might as well also be true

[@blindless06]

@@ThunderWithMuffinWhy, do you just play groundbattles?

[@mapletreepower7038]

​@@blindless06or just never played before????

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

@@blindless06e seriously only plays ground battles like never touched air RB before because as a former ground main even I knew how to launch missiles before I started playing air rb. This is just an assumption but I’m guessing he’s never played before

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

@@ThunderWithMuffinan you post a full uncut version of this I think it’s be kinda interesting to see or even do it again, I really enjoy you being really bad, no offense I think I would probably be just as bad or worse

[@DEFYN]

In this episode I will attempt to run faster than my grandma! As for the passing out, I already told you but now I can see it. You're just entering a speed range in which you turn better 😅

[@dnfluffles772]

Thank god some1 said it😅

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you for doing this vid with me DEFYN!

[@joragoon8587]

ITS THE MAN HIMSELF!

[@lato5750]

Should've flown the F-100D

[@Loudward__]

I just realised you used the 109K, not the 2.7 109

[@Vibakari]

“ noob in a F16 vs pro in a prop plane” Well obviously the noob is a gonna win if it keep its spee- “The pro will be defyn” Oh hang on a minute

[@Korxion]

That does not even matter as muffin did not even know how to use his radar missiles or ir missiles. Once there was no flares for dyfen, he could have killed him all of those times

[@abroamg]

​@@Korxionalso the f16 turns at 8g at any speed, so staying fast made him not get guns on target

[@vusherman1125]

it not about the plane, it about the pilot

[@Timmytheman.]

F16 performs really well at around 500 mph

[@Whiteghost785]

@@abroamg Drop to 800-750 kph and you can pull 10 and get guns on everything you want. But this guy obviously cant do much aside from fly in a straight line

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

When I thought noob I didn't think noob to the level of never flying a plane in War Thunder at all before. Damn. How is that even possible with the amount of hours you have.

[@reentrysfs6317]

Maybe he only played tanks.

[@joshuachen521]

@@reentrysfs6317 I thought if you plane arcade, you still got chance to fly a plane

[@flashxcate]

I'm just slightly above its level and i've played for years, just tanks only and only like an hour every once in a while. Warthunder is a very hard game to master, it litterally tells you NOTHING and if you dont go out of your way to learn stuff you can spend a large amont of hours withoud getting good

[@RyH-yx4ys]

​@@flashxcate Exactly. I've installed WT for the first time in 2017, been playing on and off since then yet its still hard to master bc I switch between Naval/Air/Ground frequently, I sucked at Air extremely until 2 years ago when I found out that I should customize my controls and when I did I got noticeably better, a factor that not a lot of players count, controls matter a lot.

[@theogmonk4299]

@@joshuachen521no real ground player plays arcade brudda

[@mattb.2359]

Also for the missiles, the tone will change when it obtains a solid lock. Then you can fire, as long as the target is within the circle and you move in the direction of the target. As for the gun, you won't get a hit from 2km out, unless you aim up. And might try this again, but use the speed and agility of the F16 to do boom and zoom attacks. Sticking to a 1 circle fight down low is what go you killed more often than not. More speed, more maneuverability.

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

I dont think telling a noob to stop doing 1-circles is very helpful. I didn't even know what that term means for the first 2000 hours of playing the game, and he surely won't either. Even BnZ might be too far already.

[@jacetheace55]

@@wfb.subtraktor311 Yes, although he does give useful information about the guns and missiles that he didn't know.

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

@@wfb.subtraktor311 I never heard that term either.

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs Case and point. A 1 circle is where both you and your enemy follow the same direction of turn, making a single circular shape with your combined flying. This is as opposed to a 2 circle, where both players turn in different directions to try and get a shot on the other, with each drawing their own turning circle.

[@cyanide7270]

No, the problem was not once did he figure out that to get a lock you need to put the enemy IN the small circle to begin with. He thought it was just completely automatic.

[@alexrobertson557]

I now wanna see a series where Defyn teaches muffin to not be a complete noob

[@abdullahlibzo6914]

That would be a great series because it's hard to learn all this alone

[@alexrobertson557]

@@abdullahlibzo6914 for sure, it would be really helpful for new players to learn

[@pizzapower95]

he first needs to teach the other pilot to become a noob. because what i saw was not a noob but a first time beginner. noob indicates basic yet lacking skill and experience in games from what i know.

[@phirn5878]

@@pizzapower95 I saw your comment a month ago when it was a couple days old. Just wanted to ask you to look up what "noob" originates from.

[@blitzworldace]

@@abdullahlibzo6914 And then I can take this advice and use it against my friends and still die

[@1985_Honda_CRX_Si]

as soon as i saw that red wing i knew it was over

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

Literally commented the same thing lmao

[@Fearless1247]

Solo wing pixy?

[@Gengargamer2_]

The reason why you where able to turn btter when you lost control is due to you losing a lot of speed allowing much better turning, mainly due to how gaijin made the flight model for the f16 allowing for it to turn way better at subsonic speeds, so no it wasnt a placebo you where turning better 😂.

[@ixxxxxxx]

yep

[@Omnidestrophic]

that is because the f-16 is a rate fighter. it's best turn speed should be around 400-450 knots if i recall correctly. that is for rating though. not sure how well that is modeled in this game. Plus he was on burner the whole time lol. so that pushed his speed way to high to fight slower planes and to slot in properly. but as said in the video title, total noob vs a pro lol.

[@kingghidorah8106]

​@@Omnidestrophicrate fights aren't subject to speed. MiG19 and F5 were designed to rate at transonic speeds, F-16 is a very unstable aircraft and has an AOA limiter to avoid over pulling at high speed

[@an000n]

@@kingghidorah8106all modern aircraft have an aoa limiter. That’s how the F-16 beat the F-35. They were still calibrating the F-35s limiter and it set to max

[@lil_dingie901]

The 100% throttle is killing me😂

[@coookalo]

still doing it at the end has to be a troll

[@captainalex0018]

Live footage of a lvl 15 player after buying an F-4S

[@arandomracoon1836]

lvl 15 is a bit too high try lvl 8

[@tankace7605]

@@arandomracoon1836 nah try lvl 2

[@sooryan_1018]

Lvl 0 with a few hundred points of experience

[@rosscoe3044]

bro there’s a difference between not knowing how to fly on top tier and not knowing how to fly AT ALL 💀💀

[@MaplePanda04]

Try this with tanks sometime!! It would be super interesting to see if a noob in a BVM can reliably beat an experienced player in a T-55 or something.

[@ivoryrick7734]

tanks r way more intuitive than top tier jets, i dont think it would work tbh

[@jerrydabear7724]

ive beaten bvm's with panzer 4s. Just turn off your engine and ambush them through the side.

[@qt9734]

Ho-Ro has entered the chat

[@LogI_Bear]

just make dyfn do a tank battle with muffin:)

[@AMFHGI]

@@LogI_Bear well, defyn's MBT is actually pretty good.

[@comradep8519]

i like how he knows so little about flying a plane he thinks passing out is making him turn better but it's actually the speed plummeting because you fed all your potential energy into a woodchipper

[@benburkett-db2oq]

I don’t know why, but I really want to teach him how to play some top tier nets and teach him missle and radar mechanics. That just feels like it would be fun to show him how it all works.

[@Average_Crack_Addict]

I've had a friend who mainly plays 11.7BR I remember he invited me to his house and he wanted to teach me how to use jets (im a sucker at 6.3BR). To simply put it, it was like explaining a 16 century peasant kpop, he would just die.

[@boravedat2931]

can you teach me?

[@alanwatts8239]

He definately knows how it works lol he tricked yall

[@evilchickengod2891]

I dont even know if i should be using mouse or wasd for control

[@MackAttack101]

from this day onwards, every day i feel like I'm shit at dogfighting, I'll come watch this video so I can feel better about myself

[@ChemicalBurnGaming]

he is still better than me haha

[@chiefeugene]

Couple minor errors: 7:28 P51H-5 is 6.3 not 3.3 8:38 BF109K is 5.7 not 2.7

[@brianhopkins5441]

it probably depends on what game mode theyre playing in, if its realistic or arcade

[@Wotplaya4]

@@brianhopkins5441 Still not correct then, seems to me he just pressed the buttons underneath the 5 and 6, which is 2 and 3 on the numpad. Either fat fingered it or was too tired to notice.

[@oliverdickens3219]

Probably got confused with earlier variants like the c10

[@user-uo7pe8jr6l]

there are other variants of this plane like the p51c

[@joshuazeigler806]

He might’ve been using the P51 with the 20mm, it is a 3.3 in air realistic

[@falin9557]

Your missiles weren't locking because you weren't aiming them. The small circle is the locking area and the big circle is the the area where the locks doesn't get lost after locking. You activate the missile, point the small circle at the aircraft and if it stops flashing, you can launch it

[@Mashedpotata]

Holding WEP the entire time means youll always be turning as slowly as possible. The reason turning seemed better when you blacked out was because the plane lost almost half its speed each time. Slower speeds = higher turn rate but dont go so slow that you stall

[@mile.9768]

Absolutely hilarious, looking forwards to more content like this

[@DE787-8]

For heatseekers, point the little circle in the big circle at the enemy and wait for the tone to change, that's when it's locked. You can also use your radar which, if locked on (use the box thing defyn was talking about), will point the little circle at the enemy automatically. Then same thing about waiting for tone then launching.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

To be fair heatseekers have a really hard time locking onto props

[@Exvizit]

3:27 “I’ve noticed when I lose control my turning tends to work better” Defyn: *No*

[@wonghy1115]

This is the result of level 9s buying an F4S or something lmfao good seeing how their perspective is… also this video reminds me of when I was learning to fly a prop for the first time

[@vladioanalexandru4222]

It amazes me how he still turns into his enemy's sightline even if he is faster. I'm a noob too, but since I've learnt to just build distance when I mess up a run, my matches go a lot better.

[@colonel_cookies_]

WHAT Muffin is using meters and km/h ? He is not using the freedom units ?! 🦅

[@Ironpine27]

@@crappyyoutuber You can choose metric, imperial or knots in the settings.

[@jakobmorris7609]

He's using the correct units😁

[@onthing66]

dude he should use knots, its the correct one

[@charisardmegax6556]

@@onthing66 While knots is technically correct from what i've seen over 40% of the playerbase uses km/h

[@joshuapurdy7065]

As an American who plays warthunder I use the default metric system cause I used it for so long before knowing I could switch that I just keep it that way, besides I’d rather know my speed in knots then mph anyways

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

So awesomen and glad you brought defyn. I definitely think he's the best pilot. Hilarious and its weird at the same time you flying the f16 and not know the controls or how to fly but still hilarious in a good way of course.

[@SonamGyeltshen-kw8xi]

Defyn, Defyn, Defyn!! Thanks for choosing him, he is my favorite war thunder youtuber player.

[@JulianSeib-qw3ku]

Bro didn‘t even trieded to lock him with a missle. Tipp: the AIM9L is all aspect and you need to put the inner circle on target in a range of 3-5 km

[@soldat88hun]

not really, it won't lock a prop at all over 1km, they are too cold

[@gloken8375]

I mean Smigol is out there dominating whole teams with his prop

[@fabihubi7039]

That's an interesting video. Really nice done. One little thing though, the P-51 DEFYN flied is at an BR of 6.3 if I remember correctly. It's the P-51H-5. Also the Bf-109 was the K variant which sits at 5.7 or 5.3.

[@Onabudget911]

yeah

[@ashleybonhomme4906]

It’s not the plane it’s the pilot🎉

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

As soon as I saw the decal I knew Defyn was gonna wipe the floor

[@SOUL_KROMANCER]

Imagine Defyn continues to teach him and we see the results like 2-3 months later playing almost as good as Defyn. It would honestly be satisfying to see him go from playing this bad to like "whoa whos that"

[@psychzach1588]

Now I know why there's a minimum IQ for the military. Because this was unbelievably painful to watch.

[@eriknulty6392]

i know he hasnt played planes but,...HAS HE NEVER EVEN SEEN A PLANE BEING USED????

[@marcellorosz1075]

I have noticed that for most of the dogfights you kept your afterburner on. If you want to turn better you should brake and slow down during dogfights

[@Mfrasier88]

Man this was so painful to watch lol I was screaming at my TV telling you what maneuvers to do 😂 I thought G forces, using your flaps, and controlling airspeed were common sense😂

[@1800jk]

To be fair. The F-16 is probably the worst top tog plane for a newb. The physics change so drastically for certain airspeeds (unlike in real life) every other airframe loses speed and gets AOA (Air drifting)

[@mrbunny6203]

I think it's time Defyn give some 1to1 gameplay advice to muffin by analyzing some matches

[@lyghtz7000]

true would be a great vid

[@Caktusdud.]

DEFYN flight school. Honestly I need the help.

[@Wanys123]

Bit of mistake on the P51 and Bf109 BRs... those were 6.3 P51H and 5.7 Bf109K, rather than 3.3 and 2.7 respecitvely - the first models of said plane are those BRs, not the ones Defyn was using.

[@PexTrains]

bro apparently never went into test flight when he was level 3 😅

[@LogI_Bear]

thanks for being somwhat humble about your skills:) i can think of a few people who woulde edit all thier mistakes, so thanks:)

[@shocknaw]

Great video as usual muffin

[@KGmVN]

imagine u using a jet and got killed by a biplane XD

[@Caktusdud.]

It's OK, I hunt jets all the time. Although the only aircraft I'm struggling to kill is the F-4 phantom the bloody just doesn't die.

[@gabrielphoenix976]

fun tip to avoid losing control in a turn: feather your pull down button, for me its control and it allows me to turn very sharply for a prolonged amount of time. also you don't turn faster when you lose control

[@ViperPilot16]

Defyn being such a gentleman dogfighting. Actively hurting himself in the aircraft he could do well in so noob could have atleast somewhat of a chance to hit him.

[@JasonLatouche]

Asymmetrical battles are definitely more challenging for both players than symmetrical ones

[@ashleybonhomme4906]

Love the vids

[@ashleybonhomme4906]

First

[@tonyyi9113]

I love how muffin just keeps his after burner on

[@JadedDark]

Defyn exercising humility while ensuring multiple Letters of Condolences get mailed out to Muffin's fam.

[@MPdude237]

Learning how to use the missiles and basic aerial tactics would have ended this video far sooner. I am not good at aerial combat and I don’t think I would have fared too well admittedly, however Muffin should have utilized his speed advantage to put distance between him and Defyn, and use just the missiles. The F-16 can outrun most of these planes except those closer to top tier.

[@soldat88hun]

Honestly as soons as he dropped from the mig he had no counter to sparrow, and so much speed and thrust difference that he had no hope of actually dodging, especially since this is 1v1 and you don't have to use your missiles sparingly.

[@gabrielowen3810]

Its really nice to see defyn laughing, we dont see that in his videos.

[@Officer_duh]

“Wait you’re behind me?” -moments before disaster

[@robertgaudet7407]

Mustang has so many advantages here. Problem is there’s no reason a good F-16 pilot would be caught by him and want to take that fight. But here our unfortunate noob is essentially forced to turn.

[@meepy2739]

My dad used to say" it's not the plane it's the pilot" since I was 6 didn't believe him untill top gun2 came out.

[@PotatoL0rd]

I LOVE HIS CONTENT SO AMAZING!!!

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you!

[@Vollpfosten]

A bad pilot would have won at least half of the engagements. Too bad muffin has never touched a jet before.

[@jonathanmabardy]

"wait, you're behind me?" - famous last words

[@Pioneer_DE]

This video seems horribly staged

[@jhonnybravo69]

this video for some reason is triggering me

[@caralho5237]

This is less like "i can bench press 10x than you" and more like "i can run a marathon while you're still a toddler crawling and crying for momma"

[@wickedwilliwonka]

A very fun collaboration. I'd defynately llike to see more of that!

[@armergamer2179]

Please don't touch War thunder ever again

[@MrPoopyDino]

HEY IM THE WORST WAR THUNDER PLAYER STOP TRYING TO TAKE IT FROM ME

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

😂

[@danikahicks2210]

"The only chance I have is the missiles" Immidieatly lawn darts.

[@christiandragonfly5922]

the key to victory in such a fight is flying up to make defyn slow and diving on him and then climbing again

[@christiandragonfly5922]

and i think f16 has radar gun lead indicator

[@yesyes-om1po]

"Today we take a pro who's one of the best pilots in war thunder" Eh, "Defyn" OH

[@allenyeah3291]

F16 best maneuvering is under 800km/h, and you can easily got a 11g turn, use flap and air break to reduce speed and use your radar and CCIP to get the aim, use SRC scan since he doesn't have chaff, and if you have aim7, that's another story

[@TheTmieBandit]

I've been playing flight sims since i was eight and it never occurs to me how unintuitive flying can be lol, it's everyone's natural impulse to fly directly at your target and try to move in straight lines.

[@zacharymarino8926]

Me this entire video: "just put the *fuckin" plane in the- just put it in the small... Yeah you got a lock! Nope, there it goes... Man, just put them in the FUCKIN small circle"

[@RyllenKriel]

In that F-16 you're like an Iron... like a Playdough Eagle!

[@danb4900]

I love it, I love watching you autistically turnfighting absolutely everything he has and never changing your strategy, classic air noob moment/.

[@elliotthope1]

"It's not the ride, it's the rider" - Sean Boswell. Fast and furious: Tokyo Drift

[@F1ery2023]

"i notice when i lose control my turning tends to work better" "no" 😂😂

[@madscosmusmossin04]

Keep up the good work

[@KainniaK]

Fun fact: the 1.7 br he-100 is a better dogfighter then most jets in arcade.

[@user-fs3iy7em2t]

"I noticed when I lose control...my turning tends to work better" Dewyn: "No" 😳😳😳

[@The-Master-Chief]

I have beater multiple mig 21s and f16s plus warthogs in the BF 109 F4, most of the time I loop around them in a dive and get to an intersection point where I kill them with an small spray of bullets and to evade missiles, well let’s say there’s a lot of “evasive action”

[@The-Master-Chief]

Also killed a dozen of low tier American jets.

[@jaredhaynes5658]

Don’t worry, you’ll fit right in with all the F-4S players

[@sekutard5157]

5:36 HE JUST WONT GIVE UP WITH THAT STATEMENT THE CAUSE AND EFFECT

[@chaseonthecase9191]

Been playing for 5 years and I could still only dream to fly the f-16

[@windrunner745]

My man has 10x my FPs and half my ping but complains that aiming is hard xD nice video though, this was funny thanks for being tilt proof

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Pissed myself when he fired a flare instead of a missile.

[@keith91z28]

Damn even muffin is at the same level or possibly a bit better than me in planes. Lmao

[@norske_ow3440]

Love the idea of this vid. And I love that it’s defyn!!!

[@suchawatr.]

Good vedio..this remind me 4 years ago when i tried to turn fight enermy player bi-plane with my P-51 and ended up losing.

[@djwoody1649]

Fun video mate, this was a cool idea!

[@kivsa85]

Constantly flying at the highest speed is like constantly driving at the highest speed... Impossible

[@funiman6783]

when using missile seeker put your target in the smaller red circle also dont use afterburner in turnfights

[@No1harris_98]

Hmmm, interesting video topic, a very entertaining video indeed. Also are you able to do any chally 2 related videos?

[@festivebear9946]

Man's got afterburner on at every moment and wondering why he can't turn. My brother in Christ, you are attempting to dogfight in a rocket

[@gosshawk]

Haha i was going to say how this reminds me of defyns videos where he plays a really bad plane but still does well and then its actually defyn

[@Jacky-zt5ch]

I want to see a F-14 vs A6M2 like this for the final countdown’s sake lol

[@masterchef0957]

Missiles taking no skill then we have this guy

[@UberDAHnooB]

Did Defyn tell you about key controls in addition to the mouse?

[@Flooftyyy]

Tbh it might get a little harder for the f-16 when the pro gets to propeller as he was using neat seeking missiles not radar and so it will take longer to get a lock (as prop planes produce less heat) and if the pro always can see the f-16 he can just shoot him as long as the f-16 doesn't just fly away

[@evernewb2073]

assuming war thunder actually models this stuff properly (it doesn't) it's actually surprisingly hard to get a lock on most ww2-era fighters with anything other than optical guidance: they don't run hot enough to differentiate them from a car or whatnot so most air to air missiles will refuse to lock on them even if they can see them and the only part of the aircraft that really reflects radar is the engine itself which has basically zero flat surfaces so while they aren't in the same category as purpose-built stealth aircraft they do have radar cross sections that make seagulls producing false alarms suddenly seem a LOT less nonsensical, sooo, yeah. it's actually only relatively recently that a jet would have good odds of being able to fire a missile at something like a p51 let alone a largely cloth and wood design like an early-gen spitfire without external targeting support. couple that with the fact that even now a jet is NOT winning a turnfight with most of the lineup of that era and it really does turn into a "skill matters" situation. short version of how that works? a jet can NOT win a dogfight with a prop fighter and a prop fighter can NOT win an energy fight with a jet...most of them anyays, that first generation or so of jets were kinda crap to be honest.

[@evil713]

"First thing is sending you back to the hanger..." MISSILE!!! lol

[@borisglevrk]

The "noob" literally missed like 10 chances of stuffing you a missile head-on...