Nordic Martial Art And Ukrainian Martial Art - Stav And Hopak Examined

[@dfullerton93]

Cossaks have a very long tradition of militarism in their history. They were especially good light cavalrymen with a focus on saber and lance.

[@asrdvankhaghatun812]

Well, Russian Don Cossacks, was great Light Cavalarymen, but Polish-Ukrainian Zaporyzhian Cossacks was better as infantry.

[@dfullerton93]

@@asrdvankhaghatun812 true. I guess my original comment was more a statement that it can be easy to dismiss some fighting abilities if they are only looked at as a snapshot and not given accurate historical and cultural context by which to judge.

[@mattbellacotti]

Very true. They were a militaristic society. My family is of Cossack descent on my dads side (Zaporozhian), surname is the register. I only recently learned of this, so naturally I want to learn Ukrainian martial arts. Hard in Canada where it’s not as wide spread. But very good Ukrainian community, warm and friendly (tend to find most fellow Slavs are).

[@bremnersghost948]

The Nordic Guys looks like theyre playing Hurling or Shinty, the Ukranian Guys looks like they went Shaolin lol, Do have to say the Ukranians were in 1st class shape so it must be efective

[@Lborguy]

That's some cool stuff!! Love learning/seeing new styles

[@anindividualist6945]

If I have the choice between an axe and a quarter staff, I'll take the quarter staff every single time. Even with a sword, a good staff person is an extremely dangerous opponent. The axe guy should be the one running.

[@CarlosSanchez-my7zg]

I agree. Whole heartedly.

[@Stav-runes]

As usual, someone making a video on Stav without fundamental knowledge of the topic; and a lot of people commenting with even less knowledge. First and most importantly, Stav is not a Viking martial art. It is a living tradition, the fact that it utilizes runes does not make it “Viking. The runes were used up until modern times in Scandinavia; both as a script language and as an esoteric tool. As far as I know, no one from within the Stav community has made an absolute claim of how old the tradition is. The closest one would be myself; since I argue that the tradition is at least 300 years old. Which comes from the fact that I have dated aspects in the core of the tradition, which fell out of use during the 18th century in Scandinavia. These aspects would also be almost impossible to recreate. When it comes to the martial art of Stav, it is almost impossible to date. The philosophy behind it comes across as old; the expressions of it can be paralleled with 19th century Scandinavian military martial arts. But, who cares how old something is? The only thing of importance is how beneficial a practice is to its users. And those hung up on the age of Stav is probably better off doing something else.

[@Stav-runes]

@@boxing.ascetic triggered? No bored that something that deserves serious investigations only get stupid rants. So, you were an early student in an environment were people had very little understanding of the context, does not say much.

[@Stav-runes]

@@boxing.ascetic As I have instructed several experienced in Japanese arts I have seen the differences. At one point it was of natural reason coloured by Japanese arts. But that is not the same thing as being Japanese. Which you and others failed to differentiate. Only thing you are right about is that it is not a martial art per se. It is an educational and philosophical system that utilizes martial arts in its teachings. But you, and many failed to see what it was and what you had in front if you. Your loss.

[@TheZerech]

Hopak is based on the traditional Ukrainian dance. The theory is that the dance comes from fighting moves, and that from the dance (the martial art is long lost for at least one hundred years, since the Soviet genocide) you can derive the original martial art. I don't know how exactly true that is. There is alot of influence from Eastern martial arts like Taekwondo from what I understand. I think it would be better to add grappling from historical European text sources, since grappling is so crucial imo.

[@ICTsiege]

if you don't think nordic people had no contact with ancient India or China, google that... lol

[@gerbilsmith]

Honestly the only folks that seem to think Stav is legitimate are Stav practitioners. Stav, in a book I have by them, claims only less skilled warriors used shields... Among other things that anyone familiar with Viking era arms & armor should seriously question..well I personally feel Stav is just modified Japanese arts with a fantasy Viking skin. That is my opinion. I researched Stav years ago (early 2000's), bought one VHS tape by a practitioner & book (small book) by another practitioner as well as any internet info I could find. I was quickly disillusioned. That being said I wouldn't have an issue if they said it was a modern art baised on their interpretation of other arts & history. But they claim a long lineage & I REALLY feel that it simply doesn't exist.

[@hankchen275]

Hi Fight Commentary Breakdown, can you do videos about Glima? it’s Nordic Wrestling

[@monkeyishi]

it also has competitions with an interesting rules set that produces differnt meta games.

[@neolindell3604]

lol, thats my moms name too

[@olafwiese6526]

Hello there. First of all: Thumb up! Second: At 1:55 I see a typicall WingTsun / Wing Chun ... - move. Maybe we can recognise so many well known moves, because the Vikings travelled a lot with their ships (entire Europe, America, parts of Asia and Africa). Thank you for this video! Olaf

[@artofpootan]

3:42, get the Hopak haircut right now and it's 90% off

[@BenjaminKorenBJK]

Man, that's hilarious

[@francoisdreesen9684]

Ugh.. someone from the Philz 😁

[@asrdvankhaghatun812]

This haircut is called Oseledec.

[@jonathanbynoe4375]

The stuff looks badass.

[@langesmma5134]

The Axe in Stav is a old style whaling axe. A "stick" is a Staff a shorter version of a Quarter Staff or can be a spear both highly effective weapons The Tai chi "stuff" is very unique based off the Runes.The main weapon methods that passed down are staff and single handed stick. or really the understanding on the lines of any single handed or double handed weapon.

[@ronan5946]

Great stuff. Love your channel, Jerry! Greetings from Brazil!

[@liquidsofa]

3:31 He's a very considerate warrior. By swinging the sword like that, fan style, it keeps his enemy cool on a hot day.

[@FightCommentary]

😎😎😎😎

[@Catonius]

I believe the 'oar' is meant to represent the halberd type of weapon described in the sagas, Gunnar of Hlidarendi has one that screams and bleeds before battles (Njal's Saga) :'D -oh, there's one at the end..

[@afternoobtea914]

It's a whale axe.

[@dighyfveirfuveifbuv4420]

I don't think Stav is a real martial art passed down from the Vikings. Those moves look like tai chi and Bo technics because they are .

[@amiramirgerard2818]

This is a useful martial arts ,keep it up.

[@Catonius]

Russian Master vs Hopak vs 6 Blindfolded Muay Thai fighters.

[@asrdvankhaghatun812]

Hopak win

[@silverousleonidas5790]

Seems the ors are to mimic Axes

[@keyboardwarrior9258]

Yes, they seem too short to be used for rowing.

[@silverousleonidas5790]

@@keyboardwarrior9258 I was mostly looking at how they were fighting with them always attacking with the head and keeping firm grip with good wide stance. After all you cant swing an axe like you would a sword.

[@afternoobtea914]

Actually they are whale axes. An old tool for cutting up whales.

[@turtleflipper9935]

pretty sure stav was exposed as some made up bullshit

[@lars75au]

Stav looks like some new age interpretation of what a Viking martial art could be. Looking into it, it seems that is exactly what it is. Invented in 1992 and styled as a Viking martial art for marketing purposes...

[@philipsmi-lenguyen8155]

Thats pretty good.at 3:05 he says if u don't quit smoking n shit then u'll get kicked out. I guess I'd get kicked out,but that's a pretty good incentive to quit if u really wanna stay n learn with em.

[@jonathanryals9934]

Sure, you would normally run if someone was coming with an axe and you only have an oar... but what if you were trapped or protecting your family? You dont always have the retreat option...

[@nephiilim]

These are dope

[@jiveAt5]

Sure, that will work on axe wielding berserkers that just took some mushrooms 😂😂

[@aleksandrokolodko3592]

Sich was similar to Shaolin ahahah. People gathered together to study learn and party. Fun

[@depressionfeather7786]

Nordic? Fus Roh DAH!!!

[@michaellam9771]

that big pants in the 90s call baggy pants

[@fedepede04]

Hi i am from Denmark, and i never hear or seen any of the thing in the first clip. and it looks Swedish from the writing. 2 factor the drove the Vikings to go berserk, was tooth pain and psychedelia mushrooms.

[@neolindell3604]

never seen nordic martial arts before, cant say it seems the most effective

[@bremnersghost948]

Interesting you mention Capoiera though, a Slaves fighting style from Brazil, being used in a Slavic State

[@HalfSight88]

they need to work on their footing alot

[@Tangentialdream]

I think those are supposed to be training axes not oars.

[@Xzontyr]

Ok. Have trained mma for 8 years. Got 3rd in provincials for mma. My striking is fast and accurate for a 240 lbs man. My grappling struggles due to having long limbs. Great at upper body arm submissions, but achieving an armbar from guard is tough. Limbs too long. No excuse though. Still knock a mess around. Mma not good for the health and mind. Great martial art for those that want to preserve limbs and mind. I have lots of respect for them these days. Please step in ring to spar if you disagree creator.

[@Zetrao]

stav is not a nordic martial arts, it´s a shity way to try and steal peoples money. The original nordic/viking marital art was glima which means flash. Nowhere in the sagas or any other source of viking history has stav(which just means staff) been mentioned. meanwhile there is on multiple accounts talk of glima in them. There is currently only one place in the entire world that teach the original form of combat glima (to my knowledge) in Norway. www.vikingmartialarts.com/ Even though there still is some places that teaches different styles of sports glima like Lausatok, Hryggspenna and brokartok. Edit: Just did some extra quick research and found out that the "head/Sifu/sensei/master" of stav had a lot of training in eastern martial arts (www.stavheimbu.org/) before he decided he would teach "stav" to other people which is probally why he has included so many forms and no sparring.

[@georgekjose555]

Good video, really nice to watch. This is a wonderful visual treat for martial art lovers. GURUKULAM COMMUNICATION is also doing video documentations of kalaripayattu a traditional art form of Kerala, India. It is really interesting to watch. You will surely get delighted.

[@c.o.r.2442]

perhaps they were not oars but wooden axes

[@Gilmaris]

Those aren't oars, they're supposed to be axe wasters. Of course, it's all BS. The founder is Norwegian, but spent many years living in Japan - which is where 100% of Stav comes from. He claims it is some ancient viking art, but no. That's just him trying to provide some exotic flare to his art. You'll notice they do not practice with shields _at all._ The shield was an essential component in viking warfare.

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for the information!!

[@Stav-runes]

It´s a living tradition, no one claimed else; so of course there are no shields. Perhaps you have not noticed, but shields have been out of fashion for centuries. You know absolutely nothing about the topic, just full of air- as usual...

[@jaybee7271]

Viktor just posted a video using legit gun fu. Not self defence against a gun,legit kung fu moves using a gun. Go check it out.

[@jonathangidlof7412]

At 0:37 it says: "Graham is one of Ivar Hafkjolds original students he has practised stav since 1992 The 23 and 24 of may is the second time he instructs in Sweden Also other experienced practitioners holds seminars about stavs history and mythology".

[@olafwiese6526]

Sorry, but doesn´t "första" means "first", not "second"? Olaf

[@jonathangidlof7412]

@@olafwiese6526 yeah my bad

[@wright1048]

I think the oars are mock axes

[@johanjonsson6504]

0:39 That is Swedish!!!!! YEEEEEEEEE

[@HeathenRides]

In Norwegian stav means stick when skiing you have one stav in each hand,(before we used Just one a longer thicker stav,, some Norwegians claim that it is a own martial art. I do not agree with them because i believe we fougth with sticks and other weapons in glima (Norwegian /icelandic) martial art, we are the two countries in the world who has competions in glima. But its now so different that we cant compete with each other fairly without having two sets one with iceland rules, which is the wrestling part added some belt etc to grab and throw each other, while in norway its more like kickboxing with take Downs, pretty much like sanda in baggy Pants, but back in the old times staves knifes shields etc was used with glima, so they didnt have to drop their weapons to throw wrestle and fight People standing in a ring around you. I believe that is also the reason for having roumd shields and not sqaure shaped which would work better making walls. Which i believe was more on the sides that was attacked vikings. While the viking fighters was always outnumbrerd and therefor was going for making it look chaotic and get inside their shieldwalls alone or in small gruops. Using glima with all kinds of weapons. Its what i believe. Some other Norwegians believe the stick /stav was a own martial art, maybe it was but No People invented stick fighting even Stone agers where probably stick fighting to

[@Stav-runes]

The name really has nothing to do with "sticks", but with "staves" as in the staves that constructs a rune...

[@HeathenRides]

@@Stav-runes that's the same,, like kort kvist runer=short branch runes , as in branch on a tree which is a stick when it falls down called stav in Norwegian

[@Stav-runes]

@@HeathenRides still, the name does not derive from the word stick as you suggested, but from the staves that constructs the runes, to be specific it comes from the Norwegian phrase "Staver setter Heimdalls sønner". Which are found in one of the poems of the tradition. You can read all about it in my forthcoming book, must suck though to be forced to read about a Norwegian heritage in Swedish... Or are you one of the Glima guys that are so full of yourself?

[@michaellam9771]

that from the 90s pant

[@mattmc9812]

Combat glima was the nordic martial art i thought.

[@elisabetepereirapereiraper135]

Bom vídeo ! Mais aquela luta, não tem nada a ver com a nossa capoeira não! Like 👍😊

[@Trollvolk]

The haircut is called tschub XD I am not sure if staff is a new invention.... There is an other Icelandic kind if martial art called glima. Could you do a review on the hungarian martial art? Forgot the name right now but it's a mix of whip fighting, bow and arrow, Hema.

[@Trollvolk]

The name is Baranta

[@romanh4044]

Or Oseledec, majority of cossaks had it

[@Trollvolk]

@@romanh4044 aye. I think tschub is generally used across different cultures.

[@raidenmk4473]

I want that haircut too. Lol

[@darthgrayson8449]

Love the dance fighting style

[@robzreviews]

Hey you should check out mu sool won/ kuk sool won.

[@FightCommentary]

On it!

[@StronglikeLion3]

Stav= Staff. Så eh, jeah.

[@BUNKAIKARATE]

It reminds of kendo (nordics) and wushu (ukrainian) too much

[@TheAutonomousrex]

MC Hammer pants.

[@psychoicho5359]

need those pants

[@asrdvankhaghatun812]

Those pants are called Szarawary.

[@psychoicho5359]

good to know thanks for the info appreciate the time

[@1laurentiu636]

Second agine

[@andywilson8698]

Alexander the great made it to India , so definitely some cross culture exchange.

[@eagle162]

What does Alexander have to do with any of this?

[@andywilson8698]

@@eagle162 cultural exchange

[@andywilson8698]

@@eagle162 he brought pankration with him .

[@eagle162]

@@andywilson8698 oh, you were talking about that theory of pankration influence Asian martial arts, there's really no evidence to back that up India already had developed arts before he up and if I recall the Greeks had a hierarchy in whatever Kingdom they made there's no Indian pankration equivalent to my knowledge the closest to that would probably be Kala it's not the oldest martial art like some people claim but it was there before he showed up, probably pankration was only for Greeks, besides that theory relies on the story of a Buddhist monk teaching at The Shaolin Temple which that story came from a nineteenth-century fiction novel, Indian influence on Chinese martial arts in General lack evidences. Besides the Viking arts( if this one is real or not) got nothing to do with him or any of other Arts.

[@andywilson8698]

@@eagle162 their are actually stories proclaim the other wise about Greeks, excuse the French slaughter people in hand to hand competitions, accounts from the middle East for sure , I'm sure if the Greeks made it to India and found something better ,we would hear accounts , or see a huge change in their fighting style . But if you truly study both sides the Greeks did seem to make a huge influence over their it can not be denied

[@Grapplersenpai]

I would've thought viking martial arts would've been a bit more aggressive

[@HiroIndo16]

I bet you also thought that vikings wear horned helmets as well

[@Zetrao]

Ye it is this "Stav" is bullshido

[@tube9ovejas]

Jordan Peterson xD

[@PyrographyPyrography]

Is an antichrist

[@swift30sf23]

These came from other cultures