North Carolina punter picks up own blocked punt and gets first down

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[@pschighlights]

Not sure how this one was a first down tbh, but still a fun play nonetheless

[@jarrodskufcagaming5203]

the foot made it past the first down marker

[@awboat]

@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 the BALL was a yard behind.

[@SomeKanyeFan]

@@awboatif you were a punter who’s never been tackled before, would you like to get rocked trying to make an amazing play just to be short?

[@soulchorea]

Not sure if this was a major factor here, but might be a good reminder that the virtual yellow line on TV is not always in sync with the official first down mark

[@Ricciuto1980]

First down line was exactly the 42 (you can see it at the top of the screen). Ruling on the field was a first down. Camera angle is ahead of the yard line, making it difficult to see exactly how far he went. A good portion of his body is clearly in front of the 42, so I think they couldn't find indisputable evidence that the ball didn't make it to the 42.

[@SomeKanyeFan]

They 100% gave the first down out of respect, bro got ROCKED for his team

[@skoop651]

not how it works

[@tymills22]

@@skoop651humans are flawed

[@SuperSlappy25]

should have been targeting

[@Snarflelocker]

it's a spirit of the game moment

[@SomeKanyeFan]

@@skoop651 put yourself in the punter’s shoes

[@jeremyachristensen]

They definitely gave him the first down for the obvious blatant targeting call that they missed. Dude's facemask was practically inside out.

[@slpguy6026]

Wow you’re right. Geez what a joke. Shoulda been targeting, 1st down for NC, 15 more yds, and an ejection

[@MrAlex_Raven]

I like how the commentary crew, really focus on the ball not making it and don't react to how he was almost murdered by that helmet-to-helmet

[@tastyneck]

fr fr-

[@shailonnoelle7175]

Leading with the crown too

[@skoop651]

because he wasn't

[@hartsickdisciple]

Because it didn't happen.

[@Alex-mh8yb]

@@skoop651 he was

[@crogthecavonmoon9081]

The refs had to give him that. He put his body on the line for that.

[@skoop651]

not how it works

[@Snarflelocker]

@@skoop651 it's about the spirit of the game sometimes

[@titanicf0g]

@@skoop651no shit you re

[@doug3819]

Brother I'm with you give it to him. Sometimes karma is with you. It's as if the universe said a punter taking a hit like that give it to him.

[@JP-ld6nx]

@@skoop651 Your right that's not how it works, until it is.

[@KennyInSubic]

No targeting call? Dude led with the crown of his helmet.

[@ILoveFornite69]

That helmet to helmet hit looked like it hurt a lot. Hope he’s okay.

[@jimapplebee5322]

Did the Syracuse guy get up? It looked like he was knocked out when he went down

[@lunarsabbatical7906]

Wasn’t that a penalty. Seemed like he went in with his helmet

[@mikestarr6634]

Right, should have been 15 anyway for the cheap shot.

[@ILoveFornite69]

@@jimapplebee5322 I couldn’t really see what happen to him after the hit since they players were in the way. I wouldn’t be surprised if that hit hurt him too.

[@jimapplebee5322]

@@NoTroubleNow I have a two TV setup & the NC/Syracuse was on the TV on the wall & was muted. I only caught one of the last replays on the hit, but yeah, that kid was out like a light.

[@memukanofpersiaandmedia2668]

The yellow line isn't the official first down marker ! It's on the chain.

[@hthrun]

Also, the camera angle can make it look like the ball wasn't over the line when it was...

[@memukanofpersiaandmedia2668]

@@hthrun I agree with you on that.

[@luckylucas8596]

On one hand, the refs gave UNC the first down. On the other hand, the refs probably should have assessed the tackler a targeting penalty for that hit, which would have been 15 yards, a first down, and an ejection.

[@Thecommish777]

For leading with the shoulder? HAHA

[@nolessgifted6333]

That wasn’t helmet to helmet

[@poisonpotato1]

Shoulder into chest is not targeting

[@jeremyachristensen]

@@Thecommish777 You should look up a pic of his face mask. I'd post it, but YT won't let me. The punter's helmet gets pinned between two tacklers and his face mask actually bends inward. I've never seen a face mask bend. That doesn't happen from shoulder to chest contact.

[@Thecommish777]

I played semi pro ball and I can verify that a shoulder hit can bend a face mask. It is all about force not how hard the object is. @@jeremyachristensen

[@America-First2024]

“How is that a first down?” How is that not targeting?!!! His face mask was bent inwards, towards his face!!!

[@cerberus2654]

Not a defenseless player...

[@America-First2024]

Doesn’t matter! Head shot. Damaged helmet. Quarterbacks aren’t defenseless, but come close to their head. “Penalty!”

[@cerberus2654]

​​@@America-First2024 That's the shitty thing about a foul like targeting, too many parameters have to be met for the officials to call it.... I've seen targeting get called for less, I've also seen much more egregious tackles(TCU v mich) glossed over. We can debate targeting all day long, but there's no debating that the punter was short.

[@Mrk3lly]

Exactly 😂💯

[@gregdragoo4777]

Dude didn't lead with the crown of his helmet. Slow it down and watch. He just wacked his ass. For it to be targeting he has to drop his head and hit a player with the top aka the crown of his helmet. He didn't do that at all. The rules are on Google

[@camschells]

I can't wait to hear what Isaac Punts has to say about this 🤣

[@MiltonRoe]

Haha he is gonna lose his little mind

[@MasterMoose04]

That’s one of the clearest targeting/leading with the helmet I’ve ever seen and not one mention of it

[@nickseraphin3988]

Rule of Cool. Refs respected the absolute dedication to the team

[@Bb23199]

The one time a college official needs to call targeting…

[@johnweaver311]

Not targeting. If you pause at 0:35, you can see that DB was more or less leading with his back of all body parts, and it's the backside of his helmet that hits the punter's facemask. Since targeting is leading with the top of the helmet, this is not targeting.

[@Bb23199]

@@johnweaver311 no that’s the old definition from a couple of years ago. It’s anything that makes contact with the helmet now as long as the hitting player launches. Could be a shoulder to head and would still meet that definition. At least that is how I understand it. When I pause at 0:35 I see a defender launching into the ball carrier, with the helmet as the principal point of contact.

[@HolySpicoli]

@@Bb23199​​⁠​​⁠​⁠ No, that’s on a defenseless player. Here it’s on the ball carrier so (if he’s not sliding) the tackler has to lead with the crown (literally the top) of his helmet for targeting.

[@America-First2024]

His face mask was bent into his face!! Targeting

[@SW.Productions]

McAfee would be proud

[@No_Diving]

That should’ve been targeting. 12 knock himself out???

[@tastyneck]

seems like both

[@johnweaver311]

Not targeting. If you pause at 0:35, you can see that DB was more or less leading with his back of all body parts, and it's the backside of his helmet that hits the punter's facemask. Since targeting is leading with the top of the helmet, this is not targeting.

[@tastyneck]

@@johnweaver311 Targeting isn't defined as "leading with the top of the helmet". The rule defines targeting as: - Leading with the helmet to make forcible above-the-shoulder contact with an opponent - Targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow, or shoulder This defender may start the tackle by turning his back to the punter but if you actually look at the footage he's literally leading with his helmet and shoulder a yard before contact. The actual arguable point is whether he made "forcible above-the-shoulder contact with an opponent". There's a lot of contact with the punter's upper chest and shoulder with "maybe" incidental "above the shoulder/helmet contact". It's at least a judgement call and most likely targeting.

[@fallenpine5544]

I saw that his facemask got bent after that hit this morning, dude took a big hit that was enough to bend the facemask and he never played again, mainly because we never punted after this moment

[@CrashB111]

Man, that punter went down like Johnny Knoxville's "The Blindside" skit.

[@davidpitts5851]

I havent seen anybody say this in comments but i was prerty sure he got the first. Im still not certain but i think thats why it "stands" ,not confirmed. He didnt get first on initial contact but before a body part HITS outside his body is falling towards out of bounds at the ball gets past first down marker then he finally hits out of bounds. At least thats the logic. Not the best angle. But cant confirm his foot is out in time to overturn before ball passes

[@jmg999]

That was a gift. I was thinking yesterday about the entire basis of video review. It's faulty on its premise. Greater value is given to the call on the field than reviewed video. That's literally saying, let's value someone's reaction to a fast-paced, heat of the moment action over multiple individuals watching slowed down, varied angled replays of the play. They're after the wrong goal. They're going after, do we have indisputable video evidence to overturn a (potentially wrong) call, when they should be after, what's the right call? If they started w/ that question, we wouldn't have so many seemingly failed video reviews.

[@RM---]

it is football after all, do you expect them to do something that is sensible?

[@deficitstifflegzercherdeadlift]

The whole game is kind of ridiculous when you break it down. Think about how many times the refs spot the ball during the game, and how many times they’re off by a yard or two. Hell, even if they were only off by one inch every time, that adds up to a big discrepancy over the course of the game. Don’t even get me started on the offense having to “not move” before the snap, which isn’t even physically possible.

[@jmg999]

@@deficitstifflegzercherdeadlift You are definitely correct about this. Equal value should be placed in all instances, regardless of which point of the game it is. I think that an equal application of the rules, as well, should be utilized, instead of this narrative about, 'It's the last two minutes of the game. They should really let that go.'

[@MoneyManHolmes]

The replay is a tool, but the original call carried more weight. If there’s any doubt after reviewing the replay, the call on the field stands. Why switch one uncertain call to another uncertain call?

[@macemiller-ob9lu]

Honestly love that they gave him the extra yard, just for being a warrior lol

[@griftinggamer]

He wasn't given the yard. He made the first down. The yellow line was off a halfyard and the camera was at an angle. What shocked me is they reviewed in slow mo a dozen times and didn't notice the crown of the helmet slamming into the facemask

[@finnian_omeara]

the announcer was wrong you can repunt a blocked punt if the ball never went beyond the line of scrimmage

[@HolySpicoli]

I'm not sure your interpretation is correct. The only reference in the rulebook to that situation states "All players may catch or recover the ball behind the neutral zone and advance it." There are no approved rulings that confirm a second kick is allowed. What makes you say you can repunt it?

[@bigpoppa1234]

​@@HolySpicoli Page one of the actual rules makes it clear. NCAA Rulebook, Section 1 - General Provisions - Subsection Goal Lines - "... each team shall be allowed opportunities to advance the ball across the other team’s goal line by running, passing or kicking it". This defines "Advance" as "running, passing or kicking". Combine with your quoted section "catch or recover the ball behind the neutral zone and advance it" and a player can elect to "advance" the ball from behind the neutral zone, and may do so via a kick. The various types of kicks are defined in Section 16. Yes, this means you can have a punt blocked behind the LOS, and turn it into a place kick field goal attempt, or a drop kick.

[@HolySpicoli]

@@bigpoppa1234 I saw that but it didn't seem to make sense because you cannot advance the ball across the goal line by kicking it. But then I thought maybe I'm just lacking imagination... The NFL recently changed the rule on free kicks so that it's a touchback if the ball touches the ground in the end zone, but if a kicker were able to kick high enough that the coverage team could run down and catch the ball on the fly in the end zone, would that still be a touchdown? Obviously that's a completely impractical question but as a matter of theory I suppose it supports kicking as an advancement. Notably, Rule 4-1-3 mentions that the ball may be "kicked, passed or advanced by rule." Every other use of "advance" in the book refers to carrying the ball. I'm surprised there is no approved ruling to clarify.

[@goodmaro]

@@HolySpicoliBecause there's no rule against it. If it's not illegal, it's legal.

[@fortranwarrior8716]

Kicking advances the ball, but that doesn’t mean they maintain possession. That said, I’d love to see more CFL/rugby-style kicking rules that would allow a kicking team to take possession of a kicked ball.

[@puppethound]

sympathy mark.. FIRST DOWN! He earned that

[@griftinggamer]

Chains and yellow line were not the same.

[@dc1397]

He wasn't out of bounds until he crossed the line. Don't know what camera the announcers were looking at.

[@wladmuir]

It's not about where he is, it's about where the ball is.

[@dylanreed9792]

Not even mad that call stands shit was crazy

[@internetuser736]

Was there in person. Everyone got loud! Had a great experience

[@patrickselix7366]

Well, it should’ve been targeting so 1st down regardless. Mad respect to the guy punter for running for his life tho

[@michaelfetter4541]

that is one healthy spot.

[@WantedArgonianMale]

Good to see someone not stopping the game every minute to look at the camera

[@MiltonRoe]

Fast little guy, shoulda tried a spin move to get over the line and not get his clock cleaned lol

[@Juice1984]

His spin is 17 and juke is 23.

[@FreshhFit]

@@Juice1984solid 82 speed though

[@penguin44ca]

Great second effort!never stop playing

[@gavinjared8953]

This is definitely a new clip added to hardest hits in college football

[@TheEdmonds55]

0:46 the defender knocked himself out

[@KennyInSubic]

He sure did, good catch.

[@reasonforge9997]

Seemed to me the ball made it to the 42 hash, just not the yellow line which was a bit further.

[@Lazlo.]

Cheap shot by Syracuse, dude knocked himself out. Kicker got fuckin rocked.

[@scott1564]

He absolutely CAN punt it again. There is no limit to how many times a team can punt the ball AS LONG AS it has not crossed the line of scrimmage. Actually, that condition has only come into play with the change this year -- it is only an illegal kick when "A scrimmage kick made when the kicker’s entire body and the ball is or has been beyond the neutral zone is an illegal kick, a live-ball foul that causes the ball to become dead ." The words, "and the ball is or has been" was added prior to 2023. People wrongly assume the rules for punts are the same as the rules for passes but they aren't. You can't throw 2 forward passes in a down, regardless of where you are on the field, but you can punt it an infinite number of times (place kick it too, for that matter). The defense might stop you but the rules won't. NOTE: I'm not saying he SHOULD have punted it again, just that the announcers (as usual) were wrong.

[@beansdad70]

I was looking for this comment. CORRECT! The ball didn’t travel across the line of scrimmage, so he could absolutely kick it again.

[@goodmaro]

@@beansdad70It was only about 30 years ago in NCAA that it was made illegal to kick from beyond the neutral zone, and it was even more recent that the penalty included loss of down.

[@canisscot7763]

The rule is “forward progress prior to being knocked out of bounds”. Assuming that the superimposed line on the screen is accurate, his front foot makes contact prior to the body contact that knocks him backwards and out of bounds. First down.

[@HolySpicoli]

Is this a serious comment?

[@davidwagner9644]

He is a punter, you gotta give it to him of it is close

[@youreallthesame1594]

I mean, literally no. But I can understand why you feel that way. But also, no.

[@davidwagner9644]

@@youreallthesame1594 not only is he the punter but he sacrificed his body for the team. It was close enough

[@youreallthesame1594]

@@davidwagner9644 Yeah that's cool but it literally doesn't matter. You either make it or you don't. He didn't.

[@coyhawkins6368]

How was that still called a first down even after they reviewed the play💀😭

[@pretzelhunt]

he almost died...

[@hartsickdisciple]

@@pretzelhunt That's irrelevant.

[@pretzelhunt]

it's not; it's like 30, 35% of the reason he got it.@@hartsickdisciple I'll be the first to agree that was a "bang/bang(bang) call on-the-field" that could be easily overturned with forensic evidence and a crime lab. They (NCAA) dont want all calls in all scholastic games to *have* to be exacted and reduced to video precision if it's not absolute dogsh+.

[@Snarflelocker]

@@hartsickdisciple who wants to watch a sport that doesn't reward such valor?

[@MackNJacishopper]

The camera angle we saw was not indesputable. Hard to trust anything that isn't a camera perpendicular to the play.

[@kuros2349]

Targeting

[@johnweaver311]

Not targeting. If you pause at 0:35, you can see that DB was more or less leading with his back of all body parts, and it's the backside of his helmet that hits the punter's facemask. Since targeting is leading with the top of the helmet, this is not targeting.

[@thenatundi9009]

Nah give it to em that punter just showed us he's a REAL MAN

[@MaskHysteria]

Dude nearly gave his life for that first down. He earned it.

[@JimKimTheIdeaHunters]

Buddy got bodied. Good effort👍

[@security864]

That's a legendary punter. He got the first in my book. Also was that like double sided tackle legal???? Anyone let me know, thanks

[@terracub]

He may not have made it but he definitely earned it💯

[@soulchorea]

He took that Drew Bledsoe hit

[@zs2977]

0:20 I thought you could punt it again. Didn't we just recently see something like that or am I mistaken

[@HolySpicoli]

you only get one forward pass (correction, AND) one kick per snap

[@charleswicks4823]

Ball never made it to the first down marker

[@workingclown]

they took one look at that on replay and said "just give it to him"

[@GMESosa]

Just like if you get feet in the end zone it’s a touchdown on the terms of if you get a foot across the yellow line ?

[@user-jl6it6sd3z]

Great effort by the most athletic player on UNCs roster

[@tylernass6263]

It really wasn't Syracuse's day. Blocked a punt, but the punter got it and ran for a first (almost, but kid got absolutely murdered, I can excuse it). Later, a cuse lineman tipped a pass, but it still fell right into a UNC receiver's hands and he ran for a TD.

[@sloppypeen3831]

Crazy seeing the post with the bent face mask

[@f.wallace8969]

An extra yard for the homie for taking one.

[@jasonalexander6417]

It is a first down. The yellow line is past the 42 and is not the first down marker. He gets hit just before 42, and when he spins, the ball reaches the 42 and he gets the first down.

[@zachyeoman4693]

Most generous spot I’ve ever seen. TAR

[@doctordeath2551]

Nah ref felt sorry for lil man after that hit😂😂😂

[@steveb9151]

Please explain how that was not targeting.

[@centralcoastcommunitywatch]

platinum pass to da cookout

[@GarrettBShaw]

The yellow line is off at the bottom of the screen. It should be centered on the yeard marker as seen at the top of the screen and both hash marks. The bottom shot has the line completely left of the yard marker. This is why the yellow line is just an estimate. The announcere trust it too much, and the camera angle is not inline with the 1st down line so it is hard to judge distance. I think it is honestly hard to say if he was or was not short. So ruling on the field stands. The announcers definitely probably only paid attention to the digital yellow line... They need to stop arguing the call and just congratulate the punter for not giving up on tge play!

[@feature.of.jarjar24]

Small detail, but at 0:20 the commentator claims that once the ball is blocked after a punt, it cannot be kicked again. Thats not true. As long as the kicked ball does not cross the neutral zone, you can kick it again and again. Nowhere in the NCAA rulebook does it place a limit on scrimmage kicks per scrimmage down.

[@jmason61]

That's a cool detail actually! I think I remember double punts happening... pretty sure the kickers know the rules. Haha they can throw it also if they want like the famous Dolphins guy

[@Bethune_Groundstaff]

Good issacs punts crossover

[@PeterSedesse]

The other part is that the camera is at an angle to the player. To really see it correctly the camera should be perpendicular to where the first down marker is.

[@LPfanmichael]

a camera view from an angle isn’t 100% indisputable evidence. they made the right call.

[@ravenshield7823]

And it becomes not roughing the kicker?

[@sonic-qh7ed]

he got the snot knocked out of him

[@Clockoutmedia]

As a unc fan it was a missed targeting call clearly if y’all saw the pic of his helmet y’all would agree so they just gave us the first down 😂

[@whatlol_e]

headsup play by him

[@bryansummers3219]

yeah, almost a "headsoff" play by him!

[@dannydevito5729]

I'm all befuzzled, too

[@turokmakto9033]

His foot crosses the line of the first down

[@jhwaltz69]

Did he say he was befuzzled? 1:02

[@Math_Pullen]

Is it where the ball is Or where the foot is. I don't know its Football

[@BenMcNelly]

Could have also been a gimmie from the refs since he got helmet to helmet (not intentional) contact, but I have seen them throw targeting at people for less since the new rule, so yeah. He put it on the line, got to "get to the line", they probably gave them some other calls the other way later too.

[@6225will]

They gave him an A for effort.

[@quentinbrown6991]

Y’all also have to understand the yellow line isn’t 100% correct he may have gotten passed the markers.

[@wladmuir]

You can see the marker in the other side of the field before the play started. He didn't make it.

[@quentinbrown6991]

@@wladmuir wasn’t really lookin at that😂, you right

[@mrthingy9072]

Refs could have tacked on a targeting penalty from the guy coming in from the front who was leading with his head, and hit the punter right in the helmet...

[@westonandrus6432]

Dang

[@kablah777]

How was that not targeting against the defense??

[@Noisy_Cricket]

I wouldn't be surprised if the line judge just told the guys the hit was targeting but I don't wanna call that on an play like this, so let's just give them the first down 😅 *Syracuse coach protests "You want us to call the targeting? Okay then. 1st down North Carolina."

[@OGAROB]

They gave him that 1st cause the hit he took.

[@crypt_yt9328]

Lmao 😂 not only did he get drilled but he didn’t get the first but sadly they gave it to him lol. Refs

[@gordonhall9871]

maybe the yellow line was not right - you see the guy holding the sticks to the right

[@johnhickman106]

“Awarded” first down in this case.

[@j10001]

The yellow line doesn’t match the chains on the other side of the field. It was closer than it looks. Still maybe not a 1st down, but very close.

[@marcomoon6062]

He was spotted a few inches for the effort

[@tomr7222]

the camera angle makes it hard to tell exactly where the ball is. his right foot made it is all I can say for sure

[@JazzJaguar]

The missed the call on the targeting. That's why they ate shit and gave him the first down.

[@mizzoumark8603]

Where's the Miami ending?!?!

[@spencerthomason6558]

Forget about the bad spot. How was that NOT targeting? Dude launched, led with his helmet, and made forcible contact to the head & neck area. It's textbook targeting.

[@spencerthomason6558]

It's not just helmet-to helmet, or crown of the helmet. Here's the rule: ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul. ... Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indications of targeting (emphasis NCAA's) include but are not limited to: Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

[@bbbbbzzzzzzzzzz5431]

Helmet to helmet is sometimes legal ? 📯

[@johnweaver311]

It's not helmet to helmet. When you pause at 0:35, you can see that the DB is somehow making contact with his back, while the rear side of his helmet barely touches the punter's facemask.

[@bbbbbzzzzzzzzzz5431]

@@johnweaver311 🐄

[@bbbbbzzzzzzzzzz5431]

@@johnweaver311 @johnweaver311 0:44 Rocked or barely touches ? 0:44, 0:45, 0:46

[@joelukule-lee2982]

"I'm a little be-fuzzled" ? I think you meant to say, "befuddled".

[@tonytaylor5218]

1st down or not, that was a hideous targeting non call at the very end!

[@rilian226]

No Helmet to Helmet call here?

[@goodmaro]

Hah, "He can't punt it again...," Yes, he can.

[@psx2rulz2]

In the grand scheme, looks like this 1st down didn't matter anyway. UNC still dusted Syracuse.

[@NFace23]

clear targeting. should have been a 1st no matter what

[@cagedtigersteve]

It's the punter so you give him the 3 inches.

[@JeffCirillo]

I've seen a double punt in the NFL. In college you can't do it, or are the announcers wrong?

[@goodmaro]

Announcers were wrong.

[@emil2321]

I'd give the man a 1st down just for the effort

[@dragendorff7090]

“Isn’t this INDISPUTABLE video evidence” Sure is, if you ignore parallax.