North Carolina Wants OUT of ACC NOW

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[@bk6678]

This is about money; and only money. Football is money, and this is about money. Money is about brand. ACC football brands are Clemson, FSU, Virginia Tech, and Miami.

[@tarheel7406]

Apparently, it's more complicated than that.

[@user-wp3cy3fl2j]

Sad to watch college football going down the toilet because of money.

[@duhdoy08]

This also drives up ticket prices. Families are going to have to save a ton of money just for a Saturday fun day. My tickets for the big games at michigan are $200...endzone.

[@rx2878]

Who could have done this to UNC? John Swofford Athletic director at UNC 1980 - 1997 Commissioner of ACC 1997 - 2021 John Skipper UNC Alumni President of ESPN 2012-December 2017 Holden Thorp UNC Chancellor 2008 to 2013 ACC President's Chair John Skipper ESPN- UNC John Swofford - UNC Holden Thorp -UNC

[@tarheel7406]

So silly. Swofford pushed for lots of things that UNC opposed.

[@rx2878]

@@tarheel7406 Not accusing UNC. Every. Single. School. Agreed to it and signed it. Though it must be documented that UNC was more than well represented in the origination, decision making and execution process of the deal. Its just hilarious that UNC has any room to complain with mild football success and basketball maintaining Brand status.

[@tarheel7406]

@@rx2878 UNC has always been a carrier yet never asked for unequal distributions or publicly complained about others not doing enough. It's the face, heart and soul, the most crucial member as evidenced by all of the clutching and clawing going on. I will remind you that FSU pushed for all the failed expansions over T-Road objections and diverted investment from football to other sports. UNC has always underachieved in football, so any success is gravy. It overachieves everywhere else. FSU's sole purpose was to be a football tentpole and it agreed to be so. It would be hilarious if not so fatal.

[@rx2878]

@@tarheel7406 UNC most certainty is the flagship. Duke is the possibly the most famous college rilvary. All 4 Carolina Tobacco Rd are seen as a Set. Very unique in college. FSU was NEVER the ACC Flagship. FSU isn't Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Alabama neither is Clemson. It was underreported when UNC ordered no public outcries to be expressed. Propagandist are interpretating this most recent one from a mid level individuals as an Official complaint request for unequal revenue. The Irony of FSU expressing dissatisfaction with Louisville before and after the title game...When FSU wanted them in the ACC. They even act as if they can't respect Pitt. FSU respects. No. One. Total malcontents. B1G10 Will pay dearly if they let that Cancer into their league.

[@tarheel7406]

@@rx2878 I agree that FSU doesn't respect anyone, even peers and betters, and the lack of respect gets returned. I'm confused as to your general position looking at the entire thread.

[@sc100ott]

Regardless of Basketball and academic excellence, neither the SEC nor the Big Ten are going to take Duke. It’s all about football and football money. The leading candidates for Big Ten expansion, IMO, and in rough order, are Fla St, Notre Dame, UNC, U of Miami. Really no others fit. Extreme Outside possibilities include Utah, Virginia, Clemson, Kansas, or maybe even poaching Missouri and/or Texas A&M from the SEC. The only possibility with Duke would be to add them as “Basketball only”, similar to the way Notre Dame is currently in the BigTen for hockey only, and Johns Hopkins is in for Lacrosse only. $$$$$$$$$$$

[@tarheel7406]

UNC is so pivotal to the SEC and B1G's efforts to build the best P2 that DUKE could be coattailed. The SEC had a standing invite to the package for years (and perhaps still do). UNC/DUKE is a unique asset.

[@webmoore4353]

Completely agree with your assessment. I think FSU even more important than ND. B1G can’t get kicked out of Texas AND Florida. So I think you nailed it and in order for both tiers. I would say others may get in if a dance partner insists. (Eg ND insists on Stanford.) Basically though any second tier on your list plus potentially Stanford only gets in if invited as dance partner for tier 1 team.

[@webmoore4353]

Again for all to hear. Markets don’t matter anymore. Media is not consumed by DMA. Ads are not sold by market. Everything is personalized 1:1 where possible. String brands and fan bases matter most.

[@messagetous]

B1G is about Academics and Athletics.

[@tarheel7406]

And?

[@messagetous]

@@tarheel7406 So NC and Duke would be welcome. Miami and FSU are more about money and football. This post was entered right after a comment on money and football.

[@tarheel7406]

@@messagetous The ACC is the same and the PAC was. Regardless, I see the core B1G declining in academic standing while the SEC can improve if it wanted to.

[@messagetous]

All US Academia is declining due to DEI. Florida and NC are defunding it. Us in red states will also. Us in blue states will continue to decline.

[@jansonroberts2616]

@@messagetous If the B1G had taken Stanford, who clearly has better academics and athletics than the other additions they just added, it would have cemented that position. Instead, the best academic school and currently the best overall athletic school was passed over for those with lower levels in both, albeit all great universities, just less than those at Stanford. It’s clearly not about academics or athletics. It’s about tv money and football.

[@stanb42]

For years, UNC had their way with the ACC. Now they want out? 😊

[@tarheel7406]

UNC hasn't "had their way" in decades. TEXAS is the locust that destroys and moves on.

[@toddgwinn8395]

Damn I hate this expansion

[@nevermindme8922]

Just when we were about to get the playoff situation figured out, they pull this stunt which will make it a mess all over again

[@tarheel7406]

@@nevermindme8922 The official new CFP distribution is supposed to be based on historical success in the 4-Team. Since the ACC's portion doesn't reconcile, it has clearly already been adjusted for expected additional realignment.

[@vistatiger7493]

@12:24 This guy keeps confusing Greenville NC with Greenville SC (Clemson's market) which is #36 in the country. Please fix that Graphic. Greenville NC is the #102 DMA according to Nielsen

[@chucklander5475]

Pay the fine and you're free to leave.

[@FranklinFanatic]

Oh boy, I wouldn’t turn them away

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

This is a pretty good breakdown.

[@sabertoothbaseball3432]

UNC and UVA have been rumored to be teams 17 & 18 to the SEC. Large state schools with large media markets not in the SEC footprint but adjacent to states with SEC schools makes them very attractive to the league. Maybe Kansas and either West Virginia or, in a miracle, Notre Dame, could be 19 & 20.

[@vistatiger7493]

UVA and UNC would fit. They both stink in football. Haven't won a thing. The SEC could use more whipping boys other than Vandy and SC. lol.

[@mark8337]

I’d be shocked if Notre Dame chose the SEC over the Big Ten. All their traditional rivalries, barring one, are in the Big Ten. Plus, they are close to Chicago and considered one of the two Chicago centric college football programs, with Northwestern. The Big Ten is HQ’d in Chicago. But yes, UNC and Virginia would probably go to the SEC.

[@tarheel7406]

Adding WVU would indicate that the SEC does not have the academic and overall sports ambitions that UNC & UNC would like to see. The B1G will be selling both.

[@tarheel7406]

@@vistatiger7493 LOL... The P2 consolidation will have a parity effect on recruiting for football. The consolidation will result in more losses for the boy whippers. The question really is who brings enough holistic and relative value to risk losing to them more.

[@heelsin08]

6:28 But has Miami really played better football and been more competitive than UNC since 2010? UNC owns the head-to-head series and has been to the ACC championship game more than the canes in that span

[@jeffreyburress2200]

This isn't about bookworms and academics. This is about football realignment.

[@shawnandrews329]

Academics are a factor in realignment. The B1G wants AAU academic schools. AAU schools bring in more money in research than ALL of college football and college basketball combined. Hypothetically, if you're the B1G, do you bring in schools that add $100M in revenue each, but nothing academically hurting your academic brand, or do you bring in schools that each add $75M in football revenue and over $100M each with their AAU academic reasearch?

[@shawnandrews329]

Mark, as always, thank you for fertilizing our brains with real facts about the factors in conference realignment.

[@tarheel7406]

Says a fan of a school with nothing other than football to sell?

[@OSUBucknado]

Would love to see FSU, NC, or Miami in B1G, as well as hate it because these super conferences are ruining tradition and sucking the juice out of regional rivalries. But since the toothpaste is out of the tube, the B1G might as well get a footprint in the south as well

[@frankmilitary]

As a BIG TEN fan UNC intrigues me more than anyone else in the current ACC. FSU or Clemson might not be good fits. Duke? No way. Same for Miami and their 15,000 (if that) fans at home games. Nothing would kill expansion interest as much as an empty stadium in the eyes of the higher ups who will make the call.

[@tarheel7406]

The comment is an example of why UNC should not pick the B1G. The MARYLAND board reeks of apathy, and I don't see the B1G expanding heavy enough south to offer enough current and natural rivals, much less to address its demo concerns. Much earlier, I counted UMD and considered UVA, UNC and a Florida school the minimum to make it worth the risk. That minimum rose over time; now I can't see it ever being enough to counter r what the SEC will offer after the dust settles. Being "national" is not an asset.

[@webmoore4353]

Good points but being national when everyone is paid ala NFL lite will be very beneficial. Still SEC is in middle of football country, which definitely shifted Deep South in the 90s and has been talent center since.

[@troybaxter]

This realignment crap is killing the sport. Screw rivalries and fans am I right? Greed is killing the game and we need to stop cheering on faceless conferences.

[@demond2134]

I’m an SEC guy but this expansion is a joke..How we gonna claim conference superiority when everyone is in our conference lol

[@demond2134]

My preferred conferences are 6 power conferences with 12 teams each..that’s realistically never happening again so I would like 4 power conferences of 16 teams each...which also realistically looks like it’ll never happen also

[@tarheel7406]

@@demond2134 Would require cross-conference revenue sharing, and that window has closed.

[@jeffreyburress2200]

North Carolina really has a little bitty 51,000 capacity football stadium???

[@tarheel7406]

A stadium can be expanded to meet demand relatively overnight. An iconic brand takes decades to build. Flagships are limited, southern flags even more so, and there are only 6 original P4 public ivys. Basketball brands than can move needles may be the most scarce in this context. There's a reason why UNC has had standing B1G and SEC invites for years.

[@mustymartian8684]

UNC is 14 -11 against Miami alltime in football. They have won 5 straight games against Miami. Just saying...

[@Doc_Boots]

Next trick will be successfully removing the Wolfpack Backpack. The BOG is a major hurdle. Either gain political support to leave them behind and skip to the SEC, or convince 🐺 to go to the BOG with you and both challenge for an exit. Tricky business

[@tarheel7406]

The strategy appears to be gather indisputable financial evidence that UNC can't maintain its athletic success and ambitions without moving and that a package with NCSTATE would be a suicide pact.

[@jimmysmith849]

Miami sucks! They are not in anyway a top 3 school in the ACC. FSU #1, Clemson #2.. the rest are all trash!

[@tarheel7406]

And yet UNC is the top target of both the SEC and B1G. Evidences how trashy CLEMSON & FSU are outside of football.

[@rx2878]

Saw FSU Basketball with the emptiest arena in the ACC. + Wost bowl game loss in the history of sports. Sad. & Dabo still can't figure out how to use the portal...

[@tarheel7406]

@@rx2878 While the effects of the P2 consolidation on basketball remains an open question, FSU is likely at peak hoops as a program. ~30 years of the recruiting and exposure advantages in the ACC, and it is what it is. Worse than FLORIDA from what I can recall.

[@rx2878]

@@tarheel7406 Overall University of Florida has still been great Overall in this Century. Championship 2X football Championships, 2X Basketball, even a Baseball championship. No one else has that. The Gators as the Flagship have been the Superior school all around.

[@tarheel7406]

@@rx2878 I agree regarding FLORIDA. FSU will continue to try to get to peer, but I don't see that happening. The ACC provided FSU the opportunity to surpass FLORIDA in men's basketball (think MICHST perhaps) and perhaps get peer in non-revenue sports, but things are what they are after ~30 years. Schools like FLORIDA, UNC and MICH measure themselves overall primarily against each other. Schools measure themselves against FSU only in football. No #2 has finished 8x or more Top 10 in the D-Cup. That can't be by chance.

[@greghodgson7917]

Fsu over NC all day and all night!

[@Happytarheel7]

😂

[@tarheel7406]

In a service capacity?

[@darealmvp2437]

UNC, Clemson, and FSU are all STILL in the ACC!

[@Doc_Boots]

And the list grows by the week