Northern Ireland deadlock amid Irish language dispute

[@daveo576]

Ireland for the Irish, England for the English. Respect from an Australian.

[@daveo576]

flip inheck except we can't reverse time 230 years, otherwise I'd agree.

[@daveo576]

flip inheck yes, but we can learn from the past what happens when you mess with borders, cultures and large-scale migrations.

[@daveo576]

Kekistani nationalist That ended before I was born. It was a legacy of the British.

[@daveo576]

flip inheck show me the Dutch constitution that classified the indigenous as fauna.

[@daveo576]

flip inheck tell me again about how the French colonised Australia.

[@mauriceorayii2964]

Every indigenous culture deserves respect.

[@g.k.6807]

I concur.

[@deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344]

Fiar mo chairde

[@pecadodeorgullo5963]

True but I don't think irish will attract crowds. It used to be an option in my school but was dropped due to no one wanting to learn it. It'll just be a subject that's always empty.

[@RajKumar-ep8pr]

I think Northern Ireland should be returned to Ireland where it rightfully belongs as the name would suggest

[@g.k.6807]

Rightfully so.

[@skullywag999]

Raj it's a new ireland people from north & south are intrested in, so all talk of the South can't afford the north are nonsense and scaremongering

[@yermanoffthetelly]

The Condesce Everything in your post is is the deluded ravings of an uneducated moron. Ireland has a lower debt to GDP than the UK and its NHS is called the HSE. It is heading for full employment in 2018 with the highest growth in Europe for the last 4 years straight while the UK is stagnating and the value of Sterling down 20% since brexit. Unstable government?All the political parties have the same position on brexit and Its a lot more stable than Theresa Mays mob of incompetent and clueless blowhards. Quit reading the express and find more credible information sources in future.

[@spurs541]

Truth is the Southern Ireland don't want it and I am a catholic

[@stephenbates5237]

Is it not the majority of people in N.I democratically want to be governed by westminister.

[@veovis523]

Unionists speak English in an accent that was literally shaped by the Irish language, yet they're determined to erase it. Talk about irony.

[@eyeballseesaws]

The vast majority of Unionists do not want to erase the Irish language, but at the same time very few want to waste massive amounts of money on a language that is of little practical use, just to please republicans who want to make Northern Ireland as similar to the Irish Free State as possible.

[@marthastewartschowchow]

@@eyeballseesaws if you don’t preserve Irish the language and subsequent culture will disappear.

[@eyeballseesaws]

@@marthastewartschowchow The NI state hasn't preserved it at all and the language hasn't disaappeared

[@spiritweird]

Good, Ireland belongs to the Irish. They have every right to speak their national language and have their voices heard in their own country.

[@yermanoffthetelly]

The Condesce haha keep telling yourself that pal.

[@eoin7]

The Condesce it is irish. It’s on the island of Ireland lolll

[@pecadodeorgullo5963]

This is northern ireland mate.

[@blackcitroenlove]

It's your indigenous language and heritage, and it should be respected. I am Eastern Cherokee from the Southeastern US, and we speak, read and write our language in our Native land.

[@stevenmcalister826]

@Jack The Film Fanatic They don’t really have a choice where the funding comes from now do they Jack? Nor is their language held to the same height as English.

[@blackcitroenlove]

@Jack the Film Fanatic I would say that it should be for all people there, as it's their heritage. It's not a terrible thing to be multilingual anyway.

[@Catlandian]

As a Canadian and thus under the commonwealth, and British grandparents, I don't understand the desire to be part of the UK, of the unionists. Why would they not want to unite their own country that holds more shared culture and language then they do with the British ? or am I wrong here

[@noneshere]

This is media propaganda. Ireland dont want nothing to do with he brits laws + EU venues. Thats why the brits have been pushed north almost to extinction there. It wont get any easier if they back down now

[@ampersandman757]

Well the Ulster Unionists are protestant and the Republicans are Catholic, the bad blood stems from there.

[@AlphaDogLXIII]

Why dont Catalonia want to separate from their country?

[@Catlandian]

I'm not Irish but honestly just unite Ireland, stay in the EU, and get the Unionist to STFU or go to Britain. Any rumblings of violence can be treated as terrorism and resolved. This separate Ireland thing is BS. imho.

[@smiln2697]

Jill Bond because unionists sole purpose when they were put over there in the 1600s was to take the land land off the Catholics and make em work on it

[@thorwolfsberg8540]

Free Ireland!

[@thorwolfsberg8540]

+ The Condesce economy isnt everything; the Irishs suffered for centuries from brits, they dont want to be a part of them.

[@cuntyfinger110]

Thor Wolfsberg: Free Ireland! Oh goody, I'll take half a dozen!

[@BooBop1987]

You are right about that!

[@pecadodeorgullo5963]

Ireland is already independent.

[@deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344]

I am from Ireland ( Éire ) I love to speak my native language Gaeilge. I speak Connacht Irish and Mayo irish in particular. We learn Gaelige in school from 1st class and on. But we do have Gaelscoileanna which are completely Irish speaking schools. Gaelige is the Native language of all of Ireland. I find it disturbing that Northern Irish people ( who are Irish people stuck in under British control) are not allowed learn their NATIVE language in school. We also have Gaeltachta which are Irish speaking parts of Ireland. There should be a Gaeltacht set up in Northern Ireland. Everyone has the right to speak their native language. All road signs down here are written in Irish first then English. In Any Gaeltachta though its only as Gaeilge

[@Pmccaff2009]

🧡💚 FREE IRELAND 🇮🇪

[@pecadodeorgullo5963]

Ireland is independent so what are you on about?

[@Backpfeifengesicht45]

@@pecadodeorgullo5963 6 counties remain stolen

[@anonymousguy7723]

Give Ireland back to the Irish...!!!!

[@SeanQuinn-IrishMarxist]

Kekistani nationalist No, I'm Irish. If you think you're British, you probably have stockholm syndrome.

[@SeanQuinn-IrishMarxist]

Kekistani nationalist Jokes on you. I don't support the EU. I also do not support partition. Ireland as a 32 couny Republic outside of the EU is what I believe in.

[@lukewhalen78]

Bernard J Fortin The Northern don't even want to be free... Its like Scotland, they wanted independence, they got a vote and then they voted to remain and not be independent.

[@PaulMuzik]

It's our native language that was destroyed by the British

[@nickoriantori8301]

How can a country like England, which colonized Northern Ireland for years, talk about democracy..

[@6thi874]

Yeah? Wait until the border goes back!!

[@yermanoffthetelly]

Yeah? Wait till the border gets push out to the Irish sea!!

[@tonyt5919]

yermanoffthetelly heh heh, nice one,!

[@jvbt331]

It's a language spoken by 0.2% of people as their main language (NI census 2021). This is a non-issue.

[@r3ptile584]

Indigenous peoples have a right to preserve and express their language, culture, and values unabated. Forcibly removing them from the public is an act of silencing and erasure.

[@johnnysardar123007]

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

[@ruth540]

Good. I would love to see the irish language used far more often. It hurts me that the English has nearly killed it off.

[@foppo100]

Ireland will be one country in the future.This has nothing to do with religion anymore just common sense.

[@sleeexs]

We will see

[@fulaan1]

Didn't know there was an "Irish" language

[@yermanoffthetelly]

fulaan1 its the oldest language in Europe. Maybe you should broaden your "mind".

[@kimhjalmarsson8886]

Just as an outsider, I think having more than one language is a very good thing. Irish is a way to understand names of places and history. I'm trilingual (Swedish, Polish and English) and believe this has been a positive thing for me. Most Europeans are bilingual (mother tongue + english and maybe some more larger language) so I would say that it would be very enriching for the Irish people to protect it and treasure it. Once Irish is gone it is gone forever and you lose many hundreds of years of unbroken connection.

[@Ronan-bx3us]

@flip inheck so am I and the 1000 people in my school who speak Irish fluently in Dublin a part of that small made up figure you made there? Labhraíonn neart daoine as Gaeilge in Éirinn.

[@jrandrewortega2861]

@flip inheck Irish language is here to stay. Period.

[@jrandrewortega2861]

@flip inheck And that is why there's now a movement to revive the national language of Ireland. What's the worst thing that could happen?

[@BooBop1987]

Very Cool!

[@RussiaNukesAmerica3]

The official language of the Irish should be ' Drunken Stupor '.

[@RajKumar-ep8pr]

RussiaNukesAmerica3 They would have the Aussies for conversation definitely

[@JewTube001]

wow racist much?

[@stpat7614]

The ancestors of Scots-Irish would have spoken Gaelic. Why then would Loyalists oppose the language?

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

no actually they spoke Scots a germanic language , also the scottish never spoke gaelic they spoke Gaidhlig . Gaelic is middle irish . obviously Gaidhlig came from middle and old irish but still .

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

Kekistani nationalist but the irish were chirstain before the british it was actually the irish who converted the germanitic pagon anglo saxons and thought them how to read . As well as the pagon british

[@stpat7614]

Kekistani; you're not in Britain and the empire is dead.

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

@Gall Óglaigh nothing you said contradicts with what I said. Scots comes from English there are very few words in Scots that come from gaidhlig.

[@deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344]

Oh no they didn't. The Irish spoke Old Irish or Goileach which broke off into Modern Day Gaeilge The Scots spoke Goileach which broke off into Scots Gaelic. You see Loyalists view themselves as British and love to drool over the crown. While Republicans hate being under crown rule. Giving them back their native language is going to strengthen the Republicans and anyone who wants to speak irish will support the Republicans. Its all about control you see

[@jason4275]

They should have their own language, but not discriminate against non Irish speakers.

[@tonyt5919]

jason4275 that's exactly what was on the table but wasn't good enough for the Tory DUP, they reneged on the deal that they agreed to and denied that it was ever there, ah well.!!!

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

Just so you know, English in the Republic of Ireland is the same status as Irish by law, Welsh same in Wales, Scottish Gaelic and Scots same as English in Scotland, but in Northern Ireland, only English if official, not to mention Irish is banned in judicial and governmental proceedings.

[@connormurphy683]

Plastic paddy here, tiochfaidh ár lá

[@getterbucked6495]

Uncle Gerry would be proud 🇮🇪

[@thenextshenanigantownandth4393]

Ah the murphys great sea warriors !

[@Mirsab]

"Norn Irin"

[@dime4026]

It's a dying language that no one uses.

[@connormurphy683]

Grinnz marius But giving the language support and official status could help reverse the decline.

[@dime4026]

I have also lived in Ireland. I know there are pure native language shows including the news. Still seems like propping up a dying language for the sake of propping it up. It's like the native language or the Maori. Completely useless around the world but makes the 1% who can speak it feel good about themselves.

[@connormurphy683]

Irish language has immense value. It's a symbol of their identity as a people, it's very historic, it's quite an interesting language and any language going extinct is shameful, any linguist will tell you that. It's diversity that keeps the world interesting.

[@maggyfrog]

Grinnz marius your opinion is a dying thought that no one cares about. how about that?

[@dime4026]

Maggy Frog you care I know it

[@54markl]

Just split Northern Ireland in half. The Republic gets the Catholic half, Independent Scotland gets the Protestant half. There you go, problem solved.

[@54markl]

Eastern Nothern Ireland can become the Scottish state of Dalriata. Why wouldn’t this work? The Scottish people came from Northern Ireland originally.

[@cigh7445]

@@54markl Scotland might have taken it's name from an Irish tribe but less than a third of Scots actually come from that tribe. You had the Dal Riada and the Picts uniting to form Alba in the 6th century in the face of a Scandinavian threat. Below them you had other brythonic tribes such as the Cumbrians. And then you also have the Angles (Anglo-Saxons) formerly of the Kingdom of Northumbria, half of which became the southeast of modern Scotland. And then you had the Burghs... If only history was as simple as you made it sound!

[@C17NRYL3D]

Ulster protestants consider themselves British and want to be ruled by the Queen and England, not Scotland. Don't ask me why. It doesn't make sense. The idea of British nationality never made any sense to me because Scottish, Welsh and English culture is very different.

[@deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344]

No Northern Ireland is in Ireland and is therefore apart of Ireland and any other countries can focáil leat if they think they can just come in and think they own parts of an island and then deprive them of their native language

[@gaelswag]

wtf are you on lol