Why Ireland Split into the Republic of Ireland & Northern Ireland

[@billybobobenner]

Back in the 80's I was walking in Belfast when I was accosted by a masked man, brandishing a gun. He asked "Are you a Catholic or a Protestant"? I replied "Neither, I'm an Atheist". The Gunman was silent for a moment, then finally said "Is that a Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist"?

[@sujithnair8660]

For some reason; the question made me laugh to tears

[@gerose1964]

the old ones are the best

[@d_j_g8764]

Thats the way we used to be if your the opposite religion they probably would’ve attacked you

[@davidr80s]

this i heard before...are you that man or is it one of those myths ? Not knocking you just a question ...no need of reply because i like the idea of this logic because it shows the thick way folks can be without thinking we are all on the same world...1848 spring of nations did change our view of it but its still dumb to hate folks while living next to them

[@jessycac6311]

That was during the troubles.

[@Crick1952]

1000 years of Irish history in under 12 minutes... Impressive

[@WannabeMarsanach]

Crick1952 ~850*

[@daddyleon]

Toron Those earlier years are't important :P

[@WannabeMarsanach]

daddyleon what?

[@Crick1952]

Toron He starts with William the conquer then goes to Henry II. I thought it was a passable hyperbole.

[@WannabeMarsanach]

Crick1952 William the Conquer is not part of Irish History. He invaded England in 1066. The Normans wouldn't come to Ireland till around 1170/1171, i.e. long after William.

[@sampowell1649]

As a Scotsman I think a lot of people are confused, it wasn’t exclusively England but Britain as a whole, the majority of Protestants in NI are descended from Scotland

[@adamender9092]

Thats true, The Irish don't hate the scots though so most of them just say the english or refer to the England as "the british" You're right and the accent was a result of scottish and Irish mixed

[@beaucaspar3990]

Yeah. Northern Ireland was settled by Scottish and English settlers, because of the Plantation of Ulster. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@andym9571]

And what is now now Scotland was settled by the Scotti....who were Irish raiders ...long before any of this.

[@sampowell1649]

@@simonlaw9234 my father is a quarter welsh, basically all the men who carry the surname

[@beaucaspar3990]

@@simonlaw9234 Why are you being a self hating Brit? It's pathetic.

[@tjello8923]

In summary: It was Henry VIII’s fault because he wanted more wives

[@humann5682]

Ha ah sort of. Obviously this is a quick overview but there are nuances too. Like the Earl of Kildare at the time supporting Yorkists claim to the English throne after the civil war. Henry VIII was concerned the Yorkists would regroup in Ireland with a sympathetic Earl of Kildare. That was a key motivation in Henry taking over Ireland. And a lot of the "proud Irish Gaelic chieftains" at the time of the Tudor conquest were more than happy to sell out their countrymen to the English Crown for a metaphorical 30 pieces of silver. Look up the _Surrender and Regrant policy_ in regards to the Tudor conquest of Ireland. And before anyone goes off on one with some uninformed propganada, I was raised in Ireland and went through the Catholic education system. Doesn't mean I'm going to be biased about history or ignore historical fact to suit propganada.

[@dannye8525]

@TJ Bell Yes, and didn't Anne and Catherine pay a heavy price .

[@udin2x]

And the world war 2 happen because Hitler was rejected to go to art school?

[@davewhite756]

He wanted a son

[@میریام-ي5س]

@@Gary-bz1rf h1tl3r was a Roman catholic tho.

[@vikramrao6391]

Never met an Irishman whom I didn’t like. Always the biggest smile and the most welcoming demeanor. Would love to visit someday.

[@michaelportaloo1981]

That's because they were drunk

[@Jack-jh5uh]

michael portaloo 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@MADMANB68]

Take a stroll through a place called limerick in Ireland.. You may not return with your shoes let alone a smile lol

[@tittymilk5979]

Respect buddy you’re welcome to come

[@bohsgerry]

@@michaelportaloo1981 ????

[@FMJIRISH]

... "Split" is an interesting way to say "colonised"

[@thomkinrade9314]

Kind of but not really... "colonised" is typically used to refer to a slightly different process of government-sponsored movement of peoples, in order to establish political control. The reason I find "colonised" to be the wrong word is that the King of England/Scotland already held the title to rule Ireland and did so prior to the time British people were sent. Thus, the right to govern was established, and technically law, right or wrong. "Colonised" would imply that in order to establish control in the first place, the government sponsored settlers, which is untrue in the case of British rule of Ireland. However, it is true in the case of The Americas. Funny, I am not even sure "colonised" is the correct word to describe what the British Empire did to control India, since that process was more similar to "conquest" than "colonisation". But maybe my interpretation of what's written in the dictionary is untrue. While it may just be semantics, it's important to use the correct terminology when applicable.

[@FMJIRISH]

@@thomkinrade9314 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantations_of_Ireland The Plantations of Ireland were literally colonisation of the island by English and Scottish settlers on confiscated land. You just displayed complete ignorance of Irish history.

[@saintcignatius]

Thom Kinrade if you don’t think Britain colonized India clearly you have a seriously flawed understanding of history

[@thomkinrade9314]

@@saintcignatius not flawed, I am using the dictionary to look at what the correct word is. Conquered seems to fit better, for both cases of Ireland and India. Am I not correct or are you going to argue without purpose ? I'm basing my whole debate off of semantics

[@FMJIRISH]

@@thomkinrade9314 ... Colonisation involves setting up colonies; settlement of your own people on land that was not previously yours. Your semantic argument has the weight of a wet fart historically.

[@user-xk2st7fd1f]

As an Irish person who grew up just outside of Northern Ireland, I will say that we get on pretty well. Often I would go up to Belfast for days out, and we would have an easy time with the northerners. Personally, I do think that we should all be one country. But I respect the fact that a lot of Northerners want to stay with Britain as its their home, not mine. To the people who think it's just about religion, I want to clear it up that yeah, while that's a huge part of it, it's also not just that. Religion, esp back then, was a huge deal in a persons life. What religion you were a part of defined where you lived, who you hung out with, what your ideas were, and who you were. For example: the Catholics were mainly descendants from Irish people, wether as the Protestants were mainly descendants from Irish people who joined with the British, or British people who slowly became Irish, but still kept a lot of English traditions. Soon, as everyone began to call themselves "Irish" or "northern Irish", the only real way to identify who you were aligned with was religion, and that became a sort of excuse. This, of course, is not always the case. In the video you hear of the French trying to help the Irish rebel, and that was true. The person who tried to get that going was a Protestant called Wolfe Tone, whose mother was French and father from British&Irish descent. He later died in prison after the French failed to land ashore from bad storms, and he was captured by British soldiers. There was so much left out in this video, as I know you have to keep it short and sweet. Irish history is tied to Britain in such a complicated and interesting way that I understand why people get angry about it-- the Irish and British were honestly so fucking cruel to each other. But it's disappointing that even now people can't forget about it and figure out a way to live peacefully. Saying that, though, we've come a long way- back in 2000 you had to cross the border with passports in your pockets and security searches, but now you can just drive up, go shopping in Victoria square and come back, and that was just in 15 years. If you've read this far, well done. Sorry for my rambling, it's just I learn this in school and it's satisfying to finally put it to use 😂

[@WannabeMarsanach]

Anna R Living in Peace secures the union. Why? It normalizes British control and the current state of humanity means that the younger generations would "fear" the change from British to Irish control despite all the benefits that could come with a united Ireland, and in the therms of the Good Friday Agreement there must be a majority who support Irish unity, as the video states, but if British control is Normalized and people fear change there will never be a United Ireland. p.s. However, I don't condone violence.

[@WannabeMarsanach]

***** yeah, but that's how it is.

[@STGsoon1]

Anna R Not all people who live in the North of Ireland want it to be apart of Britain unfortunately

[@bristoled93]

Anna R yeah I think we should all be one country too that's why I am a United Kingdom loyalist.

[@bristoled93]

Toron The United Kingdom is better together.

[@glasgowmcglasgowfacevotegr7049]

"Why Ireland split" is a bit misleading - it implies it was the decision of the Irish. "Why did Britain conquer and partition Ireland" is more apt. Ah the British - leaving absolute chaos in their wake no matter where they go.

[@michaelprobert4014]

Wasn't the partition agreed with the Irish Govt ?

[@thedoreman8537]

@@michaelprobert4014 that's a complicated question

[@objectivet2022]

Its in the past. You can learn from it but not change it. Lots of countries have a chequered history.

[@mickjslavin2109]

@@michaelprobert4014 and why did you think they agreed. Sick of seeing there subjects murdered and raped.

[@michaelprobert4014]

@@mickjslavin2109 To prevent another civil war , I think .

[@adamgillespie3393]

He kind of skipped over the reason the Irish rebelled. There was a lot of oppression.

[@ReviloWedj]

I was thinking the same, no mention of the blight. Or how the british worsened the situation.

[@kayzar293]

700 years of brutal occupation seems a glaring error. Whatever the British did across the globe they trialled it all on the Irish first

[@glenbe4026]

@@kayzar293 FFS, Whatever the "British" were guilty of during colonialism, the Irish were EQUALLY guilty of. The Irish were often willing participants.

[@pepsi3466]

@@glenbe4026 okay so you're gonna talk shit but not mention how they caused a genocide of my people?? Killing 1 million people and causing 1 million to emigrate. How are you gonna sit there and say we're the fucking same?

[@nxxynx5039]

@@pepsi3466 the London elite may have fucked you guys over but don't blame the common English civilian for the combined efforts of the Irish elite, Scottish, Welsh and English *elite* who oppressed the Irish. The ordinary Brit did nothing to the Irish yet the IRA felt it ok to blow them up and cripple them. Ireland has lost its morality and religious values in favour of petty bloody revenge on innocent people.

[@politicallyabstract6559]

I'm a Swede, trying to educate my self a bit about this conflict and damn, it's been going on for far longer than I thought.

[@LorcanG]

Anything after 1936 is boring as fuck, and the troubles are aight i guess. But the amount of first hand records of the civil war and the uprising is soo much, interesting too, i had a great grandfather who escaped the cork jail, shot loyalists rats and made chemical bombs for em black and tans they well deserved it..... okay Im done now haha.

[@georgeasmundwiik6688]

Hai Think NORWAY and Sweden, as rivals. Yeah. My Farr komma fra Alesund, ja. Yeah. 🤔😗

[@-RunninNGunnin-]

I'm from Finland and I really like reading about the history and conflicts of other countries, in this case The Troubles. The history of Finland is so boring, the WW2 being an exception.

[@EdMcF1]

Some Norwegians were involved, around 900 years ago.

[@Sjnez]

Swedish people have

[@cbrockbishop1566]

This story of Ireland reminds me of Edward R Murrows comment about Vietnam, "If you're not confused by what's going on over there, you don't understand the situation..."

[@colin-campbell]

How can you tell if someone’s an atheist? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

[@henryphilippeaux3566]

@@colin-campbell where I am, Christians are much louder about their beliefs

[@kevinkehoe6407]

@@henryphilippeaux3566 sure they write it on their legal tender in some countries"in God we trust" I wonder which of the thousands of gods throughout human history they are talking about ,hope they chose they right on to trust 😄

[@paddymuldoon6718]

It’s not that confusing to be honest

[@erwinz5926]

@@kevinkehoe6407 actually, it does not really matter. even if they basically mean the same, priest will give their blessings behind both frontlines and when the desserteurs are executed.

[@stephensmith4480]

My experience Is Mainly with Northern Ireland, Mostly Belfast But the vast majority of people I know and have met are all 100%. They are very friendly and very genuine. It has been like a second home to me over the years.

[@adambrown1654]

As a Protestant Scots man, piss off ya

[@JeffisWinning]

Well, that was confusing.

[@roofieandraggy16]

And I thought the south was petty for not getting over a war that was 200 years ago😅

[@LeSethX]

That's European history in general. Make that most history. One thing leads to another which has unexpected consequences and simple matters are now complex.

[@Rosa-xk1xs]

It’s not got better No government for over 2 years It’s a world record

[@noifurze6397]

Most people in the UK and Ireland find it extremely confusing imagine if you come from a different country

[@stephenwright8824]

@@Rosa-xk1xs The pols would be better off to forget both native languages ever existed. But rationality prevents them from choosing such an exit.

[@Batten-jc6ws]

Five minutes into this video and my head is spinning so bad that I need a pint of Guinness.

[@jamesshoemaker684]

Was alot of facts comming fast.

[@ruddinliew2688]

Dont blame you, i took an aspirin and went to sleep. My dream was clearer of the history.. i cud understand the naration🙂🙂

[@NornIronMan5]

And Guinness isn't even an Irish drink......

[@frankhornby6873]

Don't worry....after 10 pints of Guinness it will start to make sense.....

[@trhvids]

@@NornIronMan5 it is

[@gimligloinson972]

As someone who has lived in Northern Ireland all his life it rly sucks that people resort to violence so quickly, I’m 20 and wasn’t alive during the troubles but I hear many horror stories from my parents and grandparents about threats on business and the employees and such. I just hope that one day we can simply resolve these issues without violence and even as a Protestant Christian I couldn’t care less if it came about through joining Ireland or staying in the UK, I just wish all this crap would stop

[@bigjuicypotato1482]

Same. I didn't live during the troubles but my mum lived right beside a police station in a catholic area. That's not the best combo and she has so many horrifying stories.

[@mito88]

you haven't lived in Northern Ireland all your life yet. :)

[@robert6106]

@@mito88 That is fun, No Surrender!

[@gimligloinson972]

@First Name feel free to enlighten me on how clueless I am

[@tonysmith5566]

@@bigjuicypotato1482 what are they

[@mycalltoadventure9712]

Very informative summery. Obviously there is a lot of details left out, but a complete history would take hours and hours. Great job at condensing it down to 12 min. I’ve read dozens of books on the history of Ireland and after watching this realize I’ve only scratched the surface.

[@k60355286]

If OzzyMan explained this, he would basically say "It's fooked up."

[@funkykriz21]

:D yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@thedoreman8537]

Shit mixed

[@haroldinho9930]

Would love to see him talk about this. I’m Northern Irish.

[@thndr_5468]

I know this is supposed to be a simplified version but I am not even half way through and I'm totally lost.

[@MikeGreenwood51]

He covers a thousand years in 11:48 minutes. So unless it is already your history or in your blood then he is covering a lot at speed.

[@reb-xu9di]

You probably took a wrong turn around Dundalk, about turn & retrace your steps until you find somewhere you recognise.

[@MikeGreenwood51]

@@reb-xu9di Dundalk is likely a lot bigger since Year 1066-1087. That's not the hour but the year. But to some one not of the Nations directly evolved it can seem complicated I am sure as the video uses expressions such as 'The King of England. Where as he was about as much the King of England as Adolf Hitler was the French Fuhrer. So whilst the video says 'King of England' The English were aware they already had a King and their King was not William the Bastard as some call him. Duke of Normandy. But that is how some historians refer to him. With out mentioning the Normans were not actual English but claimants by axe, sword and bloody conquest and the murder of King Harold Godwinson who was the King of England. Before he, Harold deceased suddenly in 1066 at the Battle of Hastings. So even the Irish may have been scratching their heads when Henry II Beauclerc 1154-1189 landed in Ireland in 1171 claiming he was the King of England when in fact he was the son of William the Bastard Norman who had murdered the King of England in Battle. Edgar Atheling the rightful King was not up to the challenge of turning the Normans away and so William the Bastard crowned himself on Christmas Day 1066. So if there were thousands of Norman's running around Ireland 105 years later claiming they were English then it is understandable from the English point of view that there may be a lot of good seriously bloody reasons why some people even at that time got a bit lost. Especially if the Normans showed the Irish their piece of paper saying they were rightfully there by authorisation of the Papacy (Pope Adrian 4th) to strengthen the hold of the Papacy over the Irish Catholic Church. So there it is. The Pope authorising a Norman to invade Ireland claiming he was the King or England whilst the real King of England was in a secret location not objecting as vigorously as needed if he wanted to turn away the conquest. But obviously Henry II Anjou Curtmantle was not in parley with the King of England who was not crowned as William the bastard had taken the crown and so Henry the II was in parley with the Pope. So whilst a supposed invasion by the King of England was occurring the English were likely not even aware they were apparently supposed to be invading on behalf of the bloody Pope. As it was not an English invasion but a Norman Anjou Invasion claiming they were English. But regardless of the fact the invaders were Papist Normans and Anjou Angevins claiming they were the King of England. The real English people were not likely to complain or stress the point over enthusiastically as they were aware that any argument with the Normans could result in their head laying on the ground not able to stand as the head had been parted f rom its legs and shoulders. Likely a few Irish ceased any ideas of any further argument with the Norman Bates King Henry II when they saw their fellow heads laying silently in the mud. Well they may have said (Not the severed heads) but the remaining. 'If the Pope wants to reform the control of the Irish Church with the King of England who is really the Son of William the bastard then maybe as with the King of England we should just let him get on with it'. So very easy to get lost! There are further complications or reasons why some got lost as many did lose or get lost. The Invasion by Henry was an invasion after the Invasion by 'Strongbow' the Earl of Penbroke and Diarmait Mac Murchada King of Leinster to Conquer Dublin (Dyvlin) which had been a Viking settlement. So whilst some may have considered the invasions to be invasions of Ireland they may have in fact been invasions of the Vikings slavery tyrants who had invaded Ireland and operated rape and pillage for slaves against the English Welsh and Scottish for more than a century from Ireland. So in fact Ireland fell to the King of England (Henry II - The Norman) by agreement with an arrangement with the deposed King of Leinster who had sought Henry the seconds assistance to regain his Leinster Kingdom. So the so called Anglo Norman Henry II was invading with the Irish (Leinster Kingdom Irish) to retake his Kingdom and defeat the invader Vikings. So whilst it is often referred to as an Invasion of Ireland by the King of England. It was more an organised co-operation posy who entered from Wales and England with the Leinster Irish to oust their enemies the Viking piratical rapist murderers. So it was a bit more comparable with the joint task force posy entering the Viking Norman Bates mansion to oust the aggressor Norman Bates who was not Irish but an invader from the Norse Viking raiders. So the house may have been on Irish soil on Ireland. The targets were not Irish as they were Vikings who may have claimed to be the King of Ireland. They had settled in Dublin (Darkpool) as early as the year 841. So they had been there for nigh 300 years.

[@noifurze6397]

the full in-depth history would leave you totally baffled

[@Miarosepetals]

Noi Furze I mean..... not really... It’s not that complicated. It’s just justice against Money and Power over and over again. Take out the prods and it’s just chief and clans who owned the land, (I am technically apart of one of them, the O’Cahans) and everything else is simple. For anyone who isn’t irish it may not necessarily be hard for them, it just depends on the person.

[@emilyanthony9105]

Crazy watching this in 2021, as a young person from Belfast, while the city burns due to more sectarian violence. Makes me sad to just see history repeating itself, especially after we had come so far 💔

[@borninthewoods4482]

History is destined to repeat itself. Just look what's going on in Russia and Ukraine.

[@Luka-zf2ye]

@@borninthewoods4482 What's going on in Ukraine?

[@cutesy1631]

yes, is so sad see this religion conflict in 2021 still going on in Europe...

[@ric112]

sadly, there will always be greedy, incompetent bastards who have little to no understanding of the situation, rising to positions of power, and right now we have the most incompetent in a long while.

[@jimmyohara2601]

Yahs never ever even came so far at all. Just but only skin deep ready to explode at the drop of a feather (or coin). All countries that were colonies or parts of eastern block, ruled over etc, fell into disrepair, tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing & sectarian tensions & or violence. South Sudan being a most recent example. hmmm 🤔🙄😐☹️.

[@imperialwolf7872]

As a Northern Irish Protestant myself, I have absolutely no ill will to anyone, Catholic or otherwise. I consider myself neither solely Irish or British, I consider myself both. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met were from the south and honestly hope this divide can heal itself, as unfortunately given recent actions I’m worried about it rearing it’s head again.

[@rustykilt]

As an Australian, it difficult to comprehend how the People of Northern Ireland continue to face a life fraught with violence. It seems a war that will never end.

[@escapethepopulation]

Nobody cares, furry.

[@mat7279]

The terms Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland don't work because the most northern point on the island of Ireland is in "southern Ireland"

[@MikeGreenwood51]

No no no. Northern Ireland is the part of Ireland north of the south. The geographics are related to compass bearings so even in the south there is a north. Even Fastnet rock has a northern side.

[@carpetslime]

@@MikeGreenwood51 The northernmost point on the island of Ireland is in Donegal - a county in Ireland, not in Northern Ireland. So part of "the south" is actually more northern than "the north".

[@Miarosepetals]

Hmmm, so what about North West and North East, South West and South East?

[@kierancrowne3478]

Should be called the 6 counties because 1/3 of the North is in the Republic.

[@ENGLISHMURPHY]

I never hear anyone say southern ireland. Its either northern or republic

[@jo5302-x8h]

U explained this better than 2 documentaries, each 1,5 h long, which we watched with my english teacher Thanks mate

[@Socman-fu1gs]

Shame on you

[@Cora-ck1du]

Sam O'Connor ..?

[@blackoak4978]

Now we need another one just to follow what happens with Brexit, lol

[@sarahduggan2794]

Well it was a nightmare for me growing up as a kid.. Even though both parents was Irish, I was born in England, London.. I had a British accent and British passport ... Only Irish family on our street, the British kids on my road would sometimes be a unfriendly with me... saying I that my father thick and was nothing but a terrorist. But I went to a catholic primary and secondary school, which was good, because the most of us was London Irish kids.. But in the summer going to limerick, because of my British accent, I would have things said to me by other kids and also my cousin’s would take the piss out of me, I felt like I didn’t fit in anywhere.. this is why us plastic paddy’s fitted in so well at primary and secondary school together..

[@kd2239]

sorry about that dude. as an irishman i can only say you are welcome home to ireland anytime.

[@gw2955]

I don't believe you're a plastic paddy. You're Irish by ancestry and culturally English/Irish. A plastic paddy is like some American who has a great Grandpa from Ireland and calls themselves Irish instead of Irish American.

[@sarahduggan2794]

@@gw2955 arrhh thank you so much for kind words... My Father, still as a joke calls me a plastic paddy or on Christmas Day when the queen does her speech, dad says stand up the nations song is on.. she’s your queen... lol.. lol...and I say to him, say number three and I say no that’s a tree outside... so yeah we take the piss out of each other...

[@Themistocles30]

That's just immature and low minded people for you. Not all Brits are like that though and some are decent but very hard to find in England. I had a tough time in school aswell in England. Once, I was called "Chinese" by an Irishman and find that very insulting. Discrimination and racism is used by every race. Plus my cousins would take the piss out of me since they were God gifted just because they were born into a rich family.

[@Deiseboi]

I am a cork man who moved to UK at the age of ten in 1977..I was called paddy mick etc...I lived in Brighton and when it was bombed I was then called ira c##t..I soon lost my Irish accent...I returned to Ireland 15yrs ago and worked in a hotel as a barman then I get called the black and tanned..you can't win..

[@CraigalFun]

Northern Ireland born and bred. Love the South too. Great people 👏

[@soggy8713]

Haha yeah that's great I'm from the south. Northerners are great, glad that something like that can be said now without having to worry about my car being blown up

[@rmp7400]

So...are you Catholic? Or are you proud of the fact that Catholics have been mercilessly persecuted by false ideologies.

[@jackdubz4247]

Pretty soon you will all be one people again. If the British government continues to push its luck.

[@therandomhat_]

I wonder what kind of intellectual, meaningful conversations are going on in the comment section... *Oh*

[@raya.estevez3354]

*OH*

[@someonenoneofyourbuisnessn5194]

Irish and british clashing it out. (Im on no side)

[@Hela03]

XD

[@petarmitkov1056]

*_O H_*

[@jacquiewalton1355]

@BigBlackBootyDaddy Good job you know your place micky .....While you're down there ...!

[@marcelinaperezshaner8121]

Im an American ,and i hope all the people of Ireland,Norhern Ireland and England have an everlasting love and peace .thats my prayer.

[@vacey2623]

Thank you!

[@marcelinaperezshaner8121]

I live in a city that had 400 murders in 2020 ,i been capped myself cutty.i said a humble prayer.you must drinking Killiens Red at the pub .your comment os as distasteful as your choice of beer ..i bind you in the namme of San Antonio Shanus or watever that midevil name is .lol

[@Mark_Master1]

oh nieve americans

[@gnom98]

Shut up protestant as a American Catholic I hope that the Irish take back their rightful land from English scum

[@davidsivills3599]

Never work between English and the Irish.

[@whiterabbit9141]

I grew up in a small town called Corby in the middle of England, it had a lot of Scottish and Irish living there and I can remember whenever you met someone you didn't know the very first question you asked them was , " are you catholic or protestant ", it seems an odd thing to start a conversation with now but at the time in the 80s it felt completely normal.

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

I asked a Scot on the run in Achille island in mayo that very question when I used to visit the place 25 years ago, his answer was I'm a protestant but it makes me no better or worse. I never asked anyone else that question again. His girl and child came over and stayed a while but one day I went down and they had left. Really sound lad. Never seen them again.

[@bingola45]

@@antseanbheanbocht4993 It used to be important. Not so much now.

[@Supreme_321]

I know theres a huge Scottish presence there, but irish?! Never heard that one before...

[@hbsblkk3842]

I worked in Corby for two years and what struck me was the amount of Rangers and Celtic kits being worn in a town in middle England, so much so that the JD Sports were selling the kits! Also the children/grandchildren of the Scottish immigrants born and raised in Corby had a Scottish twang to their accents, was bizarre lol!

[@antoindearg5614]

A good few folks from the area I grew up (Motherwell in Lanarkshire, Scotland) moved down to Corby to work in the local heavy industries, due to all the Steelworks etc in our area being cut back and eventually closed. Not surprised the shirts of Glasgow's 'Ugly Sisters' were selling well.

[@shaunadamson4634]

Very well put together, well done! Like many Australians I have both English and Irish ancestry (along with several other nations) so that makes this all the more interesting.

[@adambrown1654]

We in Scotland don’t like Australia , yous lot remind us of the paddy’s, yous are paddy’s with a sun tan, drunken fighting fools I dislike the Aussies more than the Irish even, I love New Zealand tho at least they are civilised

[@jacquelinemullan4900]

Why wasnt the famine mentioned as it was one off the greatest loss to population estimated one million starved to death!!!!

[@ioannislazaridis4887]

Congratulations for the comment ! Warmedt regards from Greece.

[@Marcusjnmc]

because while it's central to anti british sentiments especially in the modern day looking back it wasn't itself the trigger or cause for the events covered here

[@dukeofwellies5963]

@@sosikofit Oliver Cromwell (the Puritan Bastard) committed genocide. The famine was gross negligence (still bad, but no way near genocide).

[@andyblack5687]

This is one reason why it's said that there are more people of Irish descent living in other countries than there are in Ireland. I'm one of them.

[@user-qi5jw2hg1c]

Because the famine has fuck all to do with partition perhaps?

[@Irish780]

Irish history is very little discussed in British schools'. we all know why

[@JuanKuzov]

because its shit

[@JuanKuzov]

truth hurt chief? oh i forgot inviting american companys to dodge their taxes, you are superb at that.

[@fifth-yaboi8914]

FireCrackerJim And what did the English do? They invaded all but 22 countries killing thousands but overall every country has done bad things

[@JuanKuzov]

Commander Cody it was our fun and we loved it, clusters army that slaughtered the natives was mostly Irish......nice

[@fifth-yaboi8914]

FireCrackerJim The English did it to rule the country’s

[@EmiFolkMusic]

Thank you so much for the subtitles. Is a big help for those of us who don't know English that well, but enough to read and listen.

[@adekajar4943]

A great source, a lot of information on the conflict, very understandable and detailed, I didn't even know that it went all the way back to the Norman conquest...and how much history the Northern Irish conflict had...Amazing video, highly recommend to anyone who needs info on this!👍👍👍

[@krish5445]

The whole area around U.K and Ireland is pretty complicated for an outsider to understand. So many countries inside countries, controversies.

[@krish5445]

@@randomvidios09 Yea you right maybe Northern Ireland will join Ireland and be the Rep of Ireland but even inside Britain there are 3 countries and Isle of Man etc etc. I think the British like things complicated.

[@benis4958]

Not that hard though. Wales is small and fucks sheep but nice, Scotland's nice enough, England is fucking England, northern Ireland is a bruh moment and republic of irepand is nice.

[@containedhurricane]

@@randomvidios09 Did you mean English people instead British people? Wasn't it the English royal family who ruled at that time?

[@tychu9]

It’s not that complicated. The Island of Britain has three Home Nations: England, Scotland, and Wales. Scotland has its own parliament. Then there are the Crown Colonies of the Island of Wight and Island of Man. Then the Channel Islands of Jersey, Guernsey, and (starts with an “A” I believe) and then there’s Northern Ireland. Which is a full member of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

[@bradd188]

Damn right is confusing lol I always hear England Ireland Scotland Britain great Britain and the UK and I can never remember who's apart of who lol the only thing I know for sure is that they're all in Europe lol

[@RookieCook]

I realise it's difficult to reduce the entire history into 12 minutes but brushing past the extreme brutality of the Black and Tans does a huge disservice to the Irish people of the time.

[@briandooley49]

Its British, ignore bad stuff and talk about queens and kings and knight and battles till it appears like an episode of Game of Thrones. Not burning a city centres down and removing Irish people of their land and replacing them with ''irish'' protestants from Britain. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Cork

[@keithgray4905]

I think that declaring that the troubles occurred solely as a result of Catholics wishing to join Ireland is incredibly over simplified too. Glosses over the lack of civil rights for Northern Irish catholics at the time

[@jimholloway615]

I think the Famine might have deserved a mention, but it's a decent attempt to get beyond stereotypes.

[@galaxyred7]

Jim Holloway A reaaon i think Ireland rebelled against britain was because of how unresponsive Britain were against the famine in Ireland. Our population at that time was 8 million and rising quickly until The Famine came along.

[@gojimovedchannel1478]

@@briandooley49 cope

[@Dampyr94]

Thanks to all Irish people who give their lives in ww1 on Balkan,when they fight with us (Serbs) against Bulgarian,and when they try to stop 100.000 soldiers with just 8.000.This is not something about this video but is a nice fact.

[@Beanbag777]

Thank you i didn’t know that 👍

[@eoinwilson4228]

@Artemis Goddess Of Hunting u clueless bastard....christ

[@Beanbag777]

Artemis Goddess Of Hunting your grammar is a complete embarrassment

[@Beanbag777]

Artemis Goddess Of Hunting I’ll forgive you for that horrible statement

[@eoinwilson4228]

@Artemis Goddess Of Hunting ye cause we defo went around throwin potatoes at the brits u absolute spud. Btw we gained independance from a country wit 10 times our population which is pretty impressive if u ask me

[@jamesfitzpatrick1042]

So informal thank you so much ❤

[@veovis523]

Ireland didn't split. Ireland WAS split by the British.

[@FilthyTrot]

Well, the majority of folks in Northern Ireland were unionists who saw themselves as British. They had a right to self-determination just as much as proponents of Irish independence.

[@nobrang5146]

So it did split. Doesn't make a difference, you just sound brainless

[@user-qi5jw2hg1c]

@@FilthyTrot Bull. So are you telling me if Essex for example wanted to stay in the EU and the rest of England wanted to leave, this would justify partition of England? Don't be foolish

[@nobrang5146]

@Daniel Sky blue 87 Northern Ireland isn't English and didn't want to be English, they wanted to be British

[@DTGMRuns]

Here we are again, with Irish catholic’s acting like the only country on earth that we ever invaded.

[@hariesen1177]

Word of advice: play this video at 0.75 speed

[@dmkuchins6646]

because narrator talks way too fast and has a weird accent.

[@psyke1391]

@@dmkuchins6646 i really dont know what your talking about, his speech is really clear!

No

[@Stoneface_]

Final Tuned damm are you triggered?

[@holliebrooke7327]

it doesn't sound scottish anymore woah

[@knockshinnoch1950]

Just discovered your channel. Short informative & entertaining videos. You should be applauded for taking often complex subjects, breaking them down, simplifying them and making them accessible for all. Simple text/narrative & relevant visuals. You are an excellent communicator and I guess a teacher by profession?

[@WonderWhy]

knockshinnoch1950 Wow, thanks very much for the comment. No, I have absolutely no teaching experience whatsoever. I'm just a guy who had a lot of free time and decided to start making KZbin videos!

[@knockshinnoch1950]

Well keep going Mr. Are you from Glasgow? I'm also a Scot- nice to hear our accent online.

[@WonderWhy]

Well... pretty near Glasgow. It's definitely the closest city to where I'm from.

[@knockshinnoch1950]

Same her Mr. Keep up the excellent work!

[@Adrian-ju7cm]

+Rico Suave not the same mate dutch are Germanic people, Scottish are mostly Celtic like the Irish

[@AliciaNyblade]

As an American who grew up in the '90s, I remember first learning about The Troubles in segments on the news as the buildup to the Good Friday Agreement was unfolding. Being quite young--I was 10 in '98--I didn't fully understand the conflict at the time, but it broke my heart to hear about people suffering in such a vicious cycle of violence. This video seemed very insightful and explained a lot. Thanks for sharing. May everyone in Ireland find and strive for healing, peace, and love. Blessed be. )O(

[@Normalguy1690]

Alicia Nyblade from Belfast a loyal Ulster man and I thank you for your kind words.

[@wor53lg50]

@@Normalguy1690 well said, something tells me she didnt have the loyalist irish people in mind, i bet she didnt even know they existed, she just thinking those poor irish getting bullied by them nasty british..GSTK brother...

[@somebody9232]

​@@Normalguy1690the red right hand

[@dylanbrownie]

WonderWhy, have you quit KZbin?

[@WonderWhy]

No, I'm still here. Next video is in the works but still a lot to be done. Haven't had much time lately.

[@circle275]

WonderWhy, You're a great youtuber. I always enjoy your videos, and I'm anticipating for the next!

[@RyesChannel1]

+Pedro. Jr These videos are very well done. I'm not surprised it takes as long as it does, especially if his real life is also very busy.

[@MolotovBurner100]

Can you give a link to your profile pic Dylan?

[@dylanbrownie]

I made it myself. But you can go onto my Google+ and copy and paste it if you want.

[@FRISHR]

Ireland is basically British Invasion: Level 1

[@paullooney2522]

YEP and level 10 are globalists,and they are going to do majour dammage.

[@CelticFan-tv5kt]

YEP and level 20 are gypsies,their caravans will take over the motorway and other roads.

[@dinoxman8584]

YEP and level 30 are the Travellers, they live on roundabouts and are bound to steal your dog!

[@CelticFan-tv5kt]

YEP and Level 40 the Canadians would have moved in and ireland will all be snow

[@rabboyce4770]

English invasion Scotland never invaded anywhere

[@Shinji_1943]

Ireland never had an option in splitting it was forcefully partitioned by the British.

[@DT-yd6ex]

Read up on the Border Commission.

[@SEANBANOG4]

@@DT-yd6ex look up Gerrymandering

[@pearseashebowden4744]

Exactly but don’t worry they’ll give us our county back soon but for the wrong reasons. It cost British government nearly 1 million pound a day to run Belfast alone so they’ll give in soon within next ten years I’m guessing

[@JoJo_Mariee]

Thanks, somebody makes sense for once.

[@freneticness6927]

@@pearseashebowden4744 As an irish guess there is a 100% chance the guess is wrong.

[@turner83shane78]

The explanation of the troubles from the 1960s is lacking accuracy in its description. The troubles began when Catholics in Northern Ireland marched in peaceful demonstrations to protest against discrimination. Catholics were treated as second class citizens where they were denied housing, jobs and the right to vote. At the time you needed to own a house to have a vote or have tenancy. Many young Catholic families were forced to live with their grandparents as they could be on a waiting list for house that lasted over 10 years. This also meant wealthy protestant landowners with a number of properties had a number of votes. The gerrymandering (by protestant unionists) was very effective at the time in denying Catholics a vote, so in majority Catholic areas the local councils were majority protestant which wasn't an accurate reflection of the people living in that constituency. It was the act of the British government to use violence as a deterrent to these legal democratic protests. The marchers became more determined and the British government became ever more violent. This escalation eventually led to young men fighting for equality to take up arms against Brithish rule which willingly denied Irish Catholics their most basic human rights.

[@EdMcF1]

Why don't you make a longer video to explain it? And explain the Marxist Official IRA and the split with the Provisional IRA, and the support from the Soviets and their puppets for the Provisional IRA?

[@turner83shane78]

@@EdMcF1 So your argument with the IRA is not that they blew people up, it's that a faction of them are Marxists? I think you should make the video......

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

Don't let your facts and your history get in the way of the narrative please! The Protestants in NI only wanted to give their Catholic peers a taste of, um, "civilisation".

[@wor53lg50]

You failed to mention the reason british was there so the catholics could carry on with their marches and not be hurt maimed or murdered just the same with the prods....get of the woke bus, it really dosnt suit...

[@JeremyC574]

Short answer we didnt have a choice really

[@unpixel3797]

R u thick

[@JeremyC574]

?

[@unpixel3797]

The whole reason northern Ireland exists is cause we did have a choice and we chose to stay in the uk

[@JeremyC574]

@@unpixel3797 51% of that disagree

[@unpixel3797]

@@JeremyC574 whered u hear this

[@mtdmca]

As a modern Irish person and after reading the horror of this comment section I just want to say now in days in the Republic practically most people don’t hate the British people, the Government and history yes, but as the old saying is ‘ Sons are not guilty of there Fathers sins ‘. There is also a growing amount of Irish people who don’t want Northern Ireland back even if they did vote to rejoin the rest of the Republic.

[@mtdmca]

@Servus Domini In what sense ?

[@jamesiii502]

@Servus Domini Southern Ireland has become a corrupt capitalist puppet state run by multinationals and vulture funds. We have very much lost the ways of our 1916 socialist rebellion brothers and sisters, many Irish in the south have been corrupted and have been drawn into capitalist propaganda that we must leave our forgotten and discarded brothers and sisters who were discarded post treaty when partition came in because it will “cost too much money” which is an unfounded claim. The oppressed Irish of old would be ashamed of how this land has turned out a century later. I fear the account that made the initial comment claiming more and more southerners don’t want the north is another person who fallen into capitalist delusion. Any Irish person who still holds the values of the oppressed Irish and the Irish who rebelled vehemently want this island united.

[@SteveDorrans]

@Servus Domini I'm from Northern Ireland and can totally understand it. I wouldn't wish the DUP and their supporters on anyone, especially not out neighbours.

[@spirit4607]

"Sons are not guilty of there Fathers sins" Okay, what if sons giving justifications of their father's cruelty? Many Brits try to justify colonization and sometimes even slavery.

[@freneticness6927]

@@SteveDorrans You have to remember that the republic of ireland fought their own war with republican extremists and many moderate republicans died. The republic of ireland doesnt really want the sinn feinn extremists either. Northern ireland is pretty much the only place in the british isles where people take religion anywhere near seriously.

[@lincolnsgirl8831]

this is excellent ~ i appreciate the ton of info jammed into a short vid -- but as an American, i find it a little difficult to understand. i'm watching it again with the speed adjusted to 0.75 -- that, along with Closed Captioning -- makes it easier to catch every word and retain the info. fascinating stuff!!

[@priyamtolani1480]

It's ironic how the northern Irish were the first to revolt against the British rule but later ended up joining Britain instead of becoming independent

[@fionawilliams6276]

Who in Northern Ireland? The native Irish(catholics) or the British colonists(Protestant) Northern was created in 1921. The British colonists never revolted against their ''mother'' country and most Irish people in Northern Ireland, dont even call themselves ''northern'' Irish''. Thats an artificial construct post 1921.

[@chiefgilray]

Priyam Tolani northern Ireland is not in Britain

[@JMBPro]

Priyam Tolani that's because the majority of those living in Northern Ireland are descendents of British people who also consider themselves British

[@chiefgilray]

Danny Archer the clue is in the title 'the united kingdom of GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND!!! The uk gov also bankroll many other countries who are also NOT british!

[@chiefgilray]

JMB Pro 'consider' but they are NOT british they have not been british since the plantations!

[@SilentEire]

Until both sides can learn to forget the past and look to the future the hate between the communities in the North will never cease. The violence and hate is pointless and achieves nothing.

[@WannabeMarsanach]

Conor Kinsella Peace is just another form of unionism, if everything's peaceful British control is normalized, and the Good Friday Agreement secures it. Republicans don't want a union and therefore there can never truly be peace.

[@SilentEire]

Toron That's such a hopeless view to hold. Nothing has been achieved and nothing ever will be as long as we hate one another

[@delusionnnnn]

Conor Kinsella Part of the problem with talking about issues like this is that they get recontextualized into whether people want "peace" or not. People who are satisfied with the status quo almost always contextualize a conflict in terms of wanting peace. People who are not satisfied with the status quo can contextualize a conflict in other terms, such as justice, independence, nationalism, human rights, etc. Not that all of these apply in every situation, but one or more usually do, depending on your perspective. "Peace" in the face of injustice is often a blanket term for "peace, but only on our terms". PS: I do not have a horse in this race, being neither Irish nor British, neither Catholic nor Protestant, though I have various European roots to which I don't really hold much of an identity.

[@mbanana23456]

Well the Irish aren't going to forget easily

[@andysmith5077]

***** Oh shut up for fuck sake people like you do nothing but add fuel to the fire. I live in Northern Ireland and I love the Irish and Ireland is a gorgeous country. But I would rather be British, I was born British and the majority of Irish and Brits get along fine nowadays. Nobody needs people like you saying " Oh the Irish will never forget blah blah blah " there's right and wrong on both sides.

[@YukiPyro]

Imagine, The Brits had an Empire that was all over the World.. 2020: They can barely control their own country.

[@fullenglishbreakfast3289]

Really??? We don't have an empire anymore, we call it the commonwealth now 😉 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@fullenglishbreakfast3289]

@@saugaat4672 is that why it's an honour to serve in the Gurkhas in the British army??? I served myself with the Gurkhas

[@fullenglishbreakfast3289]

@@saugaat4672 we'd rather have you as as allies. I certainly would anyway, best troops I ever worked with

[@nobrang5146]

Now they are selling themselves out to Trump after Brexit ~ now its a US puppet state

[@nobrang5146]

@Roy Ccc Nah its because I've seem videos of Pro-Brexiters praising Trump and all that sh1t. So basically you became his B1tch

[@DanielVerberne]

As a non-religious person, I'm always puzzled by the divisions that religious affiliation of beliefs can cause. It seems so bizarre to me - to divide each other up based on which particular version of 'faith' is right. Of course, it's not always about beliefs, it's clearly (at least in history described this way) deeply entwined with politics, power, representation, etc.

[@Steampunksaly]

Sectarianism bigotry and racism are the three great evils of our time. All based on finding an excuse to hate

[@deise69]

It's not about religion. The reason it has been framed as such is because Ireland was a majority Catholic country and the invaders were mainly Protestant British. This is why penal laws against Catholics were put in place to keep the native population down.

[@Maul505]

It's not about religion as much as it's about the brits oppressing the irish

[@oldedwardian1778]

@@Maul505 Ah yes let’s blame the English, it always comes down to that.

[@Maul505]

@@oldedwardian1778 Yes it always does come down to it because it's the truth that the English went around colonizing 25% of the fucking planet.

[@MrDragon1968]

Who'd've thunk a vid on the history of NI and Ireland would bring up angry disagreements and insults by Nationalists and Unionists in the comment section!!!??? :-O

[@Willy-nu3oc]

me

[@thomasodonoghue3239]

MrDragon1968 thunk isn't a word

[@siZeDcuBe]

MrDragon1968 I don't see any unionists

[@albertrogers8537]

Don't be silly, MrDragon, of course it would. But have you seen the video in which a Scots comedian, Frankie Boyle I think, although Billy Connolly has another, scoffs at the idea of an Islamic terrorist bringing a religious quarrel to Glasgow when he hasn't even a football team?

[@wulfila99]

Ever seen a video or post about the Irish partition without any Irish Republican comments?^^

[@Couly]

Guy in Belfast: "I'm British" Ali G - "Is you on holidays?"

[@rayvaughan3197]

Derek Coulahan his greatest and ballsyest ever ..... "what you is all on crack....rispec!"

[@jamesdevlin6373]

LAHTiger222 not part of Great Britain but the UK

[@bluenightwolf1423]

I live in Belfast and no one says that most people in Belfast would like it to go back the way it was where the north of Ireland was part of the south again

[@pauldunneska]

BlueNightWolf That's because all of Ireland was under British rule before 1922,nobody wants that,what we want is a 32 county Irish Republic. Check the latest opinion polls from the BBC/Lucidtalk which found 45% of people in the occupied stolen six counties of Ulster wanted to stay with the UK and 42.1 wanted a United Ireland and 13% don't know. I would say from those figures that's it's roughly 50/50 and the more the British government and DUP screw up brexit the more a United Ireland will be voted in favour in a border referendum in around 2024.

[@Jack-ou1pq]

"In findings which have added significance because of the Prime Minister’s reported suggestion to Tory MPs last week that she was not confident a border poll would definitely be won by unionism, an Ipsos MORI poll for academics found that just 21.1% of people in Northern Ireland would vote for Irish unity after the UK leaves the EU. The poll, commissioned by academics at Queen’s University Belfast for a major piece of research examining how Brexit is shaping political opinion in Northern Ireland, found that not even half of Catholics would vote for a united Ireland, with just 42.6% of Catholics favouring that option - although a large percentage, 26%, were undecided." (21/05/2018) Paul Dunne the amount of absolute nonsense you've written is unbelievable, honestly didn't expect much from someone saying "nobody wants that,what we want is a 32 county Irish Republic" so i assume you speak for everyone in the island of Ireland when you say this? So the vast majority of protestants and a sizeable proportion of Catholics in Northern Ireland or as you call it "occupied stolen six counties of Ulster" supporting the Union is just a myth?

[@kpec3]

The pace of this video is waaaay too fast for someone who has little knowledge about this previously.

[@Connie_TinuityError]

KPEC3arrival just change the speed to 0.75 or even 0.5

[@default179]

That's all of KZbin for you. Try great courses if you want to actually absorb some historical knowledge

[@josephtaylor2085]

Of course there’s also .25 if you’re just that slow

[@at_brunch3852]

The last words you said are the best words I’ve heard in decades. Thank you. 🕊

[@nmikloiche]

You know you are American when you roll your eyes at “well, it started in the 12th century”

[@dnhy7951]

@red x17 Medical Europe is certainly one of the best areas.Great place for a holiday, although not right now of course.Yep, I love Medical Europe!

[@dnhy7951]

@red x17 Methinks English is not your first language.

[@jamesmccomb9525]

@red x17 Medical.

[@jamesmccomb9525]

@red x17 You can't play along with a joke if you're the one that started it...

[@cacambo589]

America existed in the 12th century. Who'da thunk!

[@adhamhmacconchobhair7565]

I lost all my braincells reading these comments

[@crunkalac]

Same. Time to retreat.

[@Jacksiloution]

Uh the British ones or irish?

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

@@Jacksiloution british.

[@yangerjamir0906]

How are you even functioning?

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

@@greynavigator3221 don't care

[@AlbaRecoil]

Some sad truth in the video, shame we weren't taught about Irish history in Scotland, hell we barely got taught Scottish history. Shame there is still religious conflict in this day and age and hopefully Ireland can unite in the future. Nothing but respect for Ireland and Wales 👍🏻.

[@jackmcswigin3991]

AlbaRecoil it will never united. Northern Ireland will remain apart of the United Kingdom forever. Proud to be British.

[@gallus1]

You're why religious conflict remains extant 'in this day and age'. Your ignorance is surpassed by your arrogance. I grew up in Scotland and Scots' history was a staple... but you had bother going to school to get it. Ditch the Dandy and Beano, This will be a shock but those are fiction. Quit whining, go to the library, and read a fucking book.

[@jackmurphy8874]

@@jackmcswigin3991 why are you proud to be British? They took the land through murder rape and torture and never apologised

[@jacobgardiner3092]

Fuck off England rules

[@freerunner0682]

@@jacobgardiner3092 you people are hillarious haha

[@hisambenar]

Thanks for the video!

[@bobmcbob6901]

Love our Irish brothers from Scotland.

[@adamender9092]

I guess scottland is good

[@patricka1475]

Anglia Alba what

[@galaxyred7]

Scotland and Ireland are friends in my head.

[@ENGLISHMURPHY]

Love to Scotland and Northern Ireland 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@DarkHallwayz]

Disconnected Roamer What about the 3.5 million Scots that want nothing to with the Union and Loyalists?

[@conallharkin5365]

The troubles were not primarily about a united Ireland. Although most of one side was republican, the actual conflict was over civil rights for Catholics in Northern Ireland and a proper democratic system.

[@arismaiden6457]

I assume you recognise the false-state of Northern Cyprus? Check out how this so called "state" came to be and tell me about it. Northern Cyprus and Northern Ireland are false-states doomed to die.

[@arismaiden6457]

Let me put it this way. The unification of Ireland is one of the few ethnic problems still unsolved today, like the Kurdish state as another example. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. The people in Kurdish areas refuse to change their national identiny, their culture, their language and everything that makes them different and unique, just like the Irish. And they also refuse to continue fight to accomplish the goal of independence, again like the Irish. The same goes for Irish in N.I., so like history has shown, the eventual unification of the island is pretty much a certainty. Moreover because catholic families who are mainly republican, have a much higher birth rate than protestant families who are unionist. So soon the balance will change. It may happen in 10, 20, or even 50 years. It may happen peacefully by a referendum or a law passed in parliament, or it may happen by rallies and riots. The manner is uncertain. The result will be same, be sure of that.

[@arismaiden6457]

Another example is the Basque country. For many centuries now they are typically part of Spain, with few short periods of time where they were formaly independent. But in reallity, they have their own language, their own government, their own culture, their own legal system, their own police, even their fiscal autonomy. So practically, they are more like a seperate country than they are a part of Spain. That's because they have chose not to convert, not to assimilate, not to bow down to any conqueror, never throughout the millenia. Not to Romans, not to Goths, not to French, not to Spanish. Those nations get what they want in the end, one way or another. That's what history tells us.

[@jacquiewalton3999]

Kekistani nationalist The Coward Mick Roach kept posting this ...Do you know him ?

[@jacquiewalton83]

Kekistani Natonalist "What a ridiculous statement, in the words of the great Jacob Reese Mogg " Surely you don't mean the "great CATHOLIC Jacob Rees Mogg" ??????? ..Have you been drinking Mick ?

[@markmayonnaise1163]

8:39 Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are still dominions of the Commonwealth, independent of course of the government of the UK but all are Kingdoms under Elizabeth II. I don't know what 1953 is supposed to symbolize here, nothing happened constitutionally that year here in Canada to my knowledge.

[@elizaengen4141]

This is a good overview.

[@189Blake]

Well, with what's happening right now, it seems like the "Peace walls" will remain way after 2023.

[@DankReaper420]

Peace walls lol sounds so Orwellian.

[@irrationalreasoning6368]

Belfast is essentially just a mini Berlin separated on the basis of religion instead of economic ideology.

[@TangoNevada]

Sounds a lot like calling a Bomb Crater in Iraq a Freedom Hole.

[@darnellbiggumsthe9th658]

@@irrationalreasoning6368 as someone who actually lives in the north, the conflict is not because of religion at all, i know protestants who consider themselves irish and even one of the founders of the inla, was ronnie bunting who was a protestant. The conflict here is about politics and nationality and with the way things are going these peace walls don’t separate religion, they separate 2 people of different political ideologies

[@irrationalreasoning6368]

@@darnellbiggumsthe9th658 political ideologies that have their roots in religious segregation and sectarianism.

[@davidmaclane5487]

Damn, I thought the colonial era of Mexico was a convoluted mess, but this makes that pale in comparison....what a can of worms

[@adrianatgaming8640]

but this makes that *Pale* in comparison

[@racheljacob4654]

David MacLane you can thank the English for that

[@Valencetheshireman927]

😑

[@Sergio-fu7mv]

My dad is originally from Mexico (mostly of spanish decent), and my mom is originally from Ireland. Both have incredible complex history.

[@Sergio-fu7mv]

arronison excuse me? All my family in Ireland is still catholic. VERY catholic. A lot of the country is still catholic. It’s sewed into our culture. You people are turning Ireland into british copycats. The Irish culture is disappearing because of you guys. That’s why gaeilge is going extinct. You should feel ashamed in yourself.

[@arthurdanielles4784]

Excellent video ☺How the irish were regarded by the 'English' and treated leaves no doubts as to why they finally got their independence. Their are some horrific moments in the history especially the potato famine where so many thousands of Irish died or emigrated to the 'Americas'

[@oyaami1874]

Where they treated Native Americans and Africans in the same way they were treated by the English.

[@arthurdanielles4784]

@@oyaami1874 Determination by using force, often results in domination. Slavery is born out of greed and the desire to dominate; the weak. History is written by the victors, why it is often anything BUT the truth.

[@hithere152]

Independence? We don’t have shit. Just sectarian violence and a massive mark on the entire community in each area in the North of Ireland due to the murder of hundreds of innocent civilians

[@joprocter4573]

They were of all cultures. Ppl go to England every day to find better life just as they did USA back then

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

@@oyaami1874 You sound very confused, when Irish Catholics went to the USA the country was already taken over by... Protestants from the UK, who did most of the damage against Native Americans. Those Irish immigrants ended up being treated like second class citizens in the US too, because they were a threat to the WASP dominant culture, seen as wanting to work for lower wages, and other reasons.

[@spiffy7019]

My great granduncle was actually the captain of the main military leader of the anti treaty side during the war of independence, but then fought against him in the civil war.

[@5888max]

Rubbish there was no ''anti treaty side '' in the war of Independence due to there being at that time no treaty ! The civil war did have a anti treaty side .God knows what side your granduncle was on you are confused

[@MichaelHill-sg8ks]

My family is English on my Dad's side and Irish on my Mum's side, so I can sympathise with both sides of this fight. The English (and Scots) did terrible things in Ireland, but the Irish also did terrible things to each other and civilians in the UK in more recent times. However, I don't care what our ancestors did. What is important is what we do today. If the majority of people in Ulster vote for independence then they should receive it, if they vote for the union then they should stay. End of story. To suggest otherwise would be to fight democracy and freedom, and sink into an ugly pit of violent, nationalist hatred.

[@t.rok13]

I agree for the most part. But the history of the illegal British invasion and the living Hell that was created for the people is very troublesome and should not have ever happened. That wrong needs to be fairly and legally, made Right.

[@godlovesyou1995]

@@t.rok13 in what way? XD

[@clairenichnaimhsi2820]

Nope

[@lucilethelightbringer]

The invasion was still illegal, ya turd. Boo.

[@ACE234dm]

When you realized southern Ireland is farther north than northern Ireland: '-'

[@finndevenny4564]

Literally I live in inishowen near malin head, we call the north ‘the black north’ lol

[@Supreme_321]

@@finndevenny4564 Rascist 😮

[@brooklynobrien9429]

@@Supreme_321 how

[@Supreme_321]

@Jack septiceye3 Exactly he is rascist mate, why call it the ***** north? For then finds it funny?! Well out of order that.

[@finndevenny4564]

Can't tell if people are takin the piss or actually offended, full disclosure it's not a racist thing, just a thing people say, like calling the north evil kind off, in a joking way

[@Chubbchubbzza007]

Northern Ireland is Irish!

[@bluekirky]

No, it's British

[@kinseyeire]

bluekirky Northern Ireland is located in the United Kingdom. Britain is the island containing England, Scotland and Wales.

[@WannabeMarsanach]

***** No, he means Northern Ireland. It exists whether we like it or not.

[@WannabeMarsanach]

***** Ulster Plantation? Ever heard of it? Not all can be considered ethnically Irish.

[@WannabeMarsanach]

***** The land maybe, but not all the people are Irish no do all have Irish heritage, and that shouldn't be forgotten because they're here to stay whether you like it or not.

[@e.a.p3174]

As a Canadian it's pretty hard to understand why there is so much quarrel between Ireland and Britain. I remember flying over Southern England and it took the 787 about 10-15 minutes to cross from one side to the other, than maybe another 5-10 minutes over Ireland than we entered Canadian airspace over Labrador it takes 7 hours to fly across the country to get to Vancouver.

[@dione6388]

*Republic of Ireland, not Southern Ireland.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

"As a Canadian it's pretty hard to understand why there is so much quarrel between Ireland and Britain." Not hard at all if you can pick up some history books (preferably not written from the perspective of the British Empire).

[@e.a.p3174]

@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia duh. The point is we are not living in the 19th century but in 21st. Borders don't really mean much. How many Irish people live in England or vice versa?

[@CrookedSkew]

@@e.a.p3174 It's a fair point but you're looking at it from an outsiders view. If you lived in NI and through The Troubles or were a child whose parents did, you'd see it's not as simple as just using "common sense". Even now both sides antagonise each other.

[@e.a.p3174]

@@CrookedSkew yes I know I have a friend who is from the "north of Ireland" as he puts it, and I have friends from Ireland, my friend from the North of Ireland hates absolutely anything English, he couldn't even be gracious about the passing of the Queen. My other Irish friends have great relations with the English, one even served in the British army. My point is how are you going to ever solve the hatred, if you don't make conscious start to stop hating. Both sides in the North in my view bring shame to Jesus Christ, neither side in my view is Christian but in name only and the pervert the name of our Saviour.

[@0pinion8ted]

I would say that I should correct that; "The nation is called Éire (Ireland in English)" But the Irish government and people seem to be turning their backs on our national language in a shameful way. Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam. A country without a language is a country without a soul.

[@PatAndOrRick]

David Levey The primary language of culture and commerce in Ireland for the past several centuries has been English. The Irish language is dying out (died out decades go rather) by natural selection (just as so many languages before). It serves no purpose in Ireland today other than as an instrument of nationalist propaganda. Ireland has a soul, it's in the works of Yeats, Joyce, Beckett, Kavanagh and Wilde to name just a handful. They wrote in English, but have contributed more to the language of Ireland than a thousand petty ideologues who have sought to shame the Irish people into thinking a language they have no use for, they have no connection to and which is a symbol of an imagined past anyway is their duty to preserve.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

David Levey You adapt to the more convenient language as time goes by. In the case of Ireland, it's English. Heck, I'm pretty sure both Scottish and Welsh have been becoming less common. English is one of those languages which has been more or less successfully planted into cultures around the world, so it's a useful common tongue to have.

[@Pintroll300]

David Levey actually, hasn't the number of native irish speakers increased?

[@Byronpat]

David Levey Seriously though, it may be your national language, but how will it actually help you in the long run? Learning French or German is a lot more useful than a language like Irish!

[@Pintroll300]

Byronpat Reviving irish isnt so much for being useful. It's more geared towards reviving irish culture in general

[@stuartthompson1094]

And when you think you had a dysfunctional family you happen to stumble across this, .. life’s not to bad after all 🤔😁

[@Hyonyx]

Irish be proud of ur country! I have been there in autumn 2016 and it is one of the most beautiful places in the world! :) Greetings from Germany

[@rosieleaverton]

My grandmother immigrated from Belfast in the 70s after marrying my grandfather (who was a missionary from the US). She had an exceptional memory and was born a few years after WWII when there was all the bombings across the UK, so she had a lot of trauma. I never formally met her (she died when I was a baby), but she went through a lot and I wish I could've learned a thing or two from her. I do hope to travel to NI someday and meet her family who still lives there and learn more about their personal history.

[@syn_tekken3055]

I was today years old when I realised where the phrase ‘beyond the pale’ comes from...

[@wandaperi]

O'Normie years old

[@m.v.k4681]

I missed half of that because you spoke too fast. Please slow down

[@omarmahfouz5599]

I think both of you are exaggerating

[@psammiad]

The Irish Civil War is seldom mentioned but it's an utterly shameful part of Ireland's history. Thousands of innocent people were made to suffer for pointless nationalism. Ireland would have become a republic anyway within ten years, there was no need for that senseless barbarism.

[@jhughes344]

@@triestodrum2215 millions died in the irish genocide shows how the british army works. evil people

[@jorgejustin461]

@@jhughes344 You mean the potato famine? The same famine where the UK was importing 800, 000 tonnes of additional food at its height. Yeah, the British did NoThiNg

[@jhughes344]

@@jorgejustin461 you mean the irish genocide the one where they forced irish citizens to put in place pointless road networks at the height of the famine and actually increased exports of food out of the country to britain till the british finally found there cold imperial hearts when they realised they killed too many and forced too many to migrate to the americas that then put a stop and helped them out because the irish economy was sinking faster than atlantis. undoubtly the root cause of the problem was the funghi killing off potatoes but the british were a major catalyst to the deaths when they wielded the power to save so many.

[@jorgejustin461]

@@jhughes344 Ireland was a net importer of food for every year of the Famine except for the first. Yeah they kept exporting stuff like butter, whoopty doo. The bigger issue with the potato famine was religion, specifically Irish Protestants who could be running soup kitchens and wouldn't give Catholics food unless they renounced their faith and overall intentionally volunteered for every relief effort made and then sabotage it the second it started to help Catholics. There is LOADS of information on the famine, most it behind pay walls because of course it is that details things like the fact that many irish (40%) had lived off of the potato for so long that the sudden change in their diet cause negative reactions to certain foods, especially corn. Did the English do nothing? No. Did they do everything they could? Also no. Also John Kellys The Graves Are Walking: The Great Famine and the Saga of the Irish People is the only source I can find that mentions this road building in any detail and he inflates numbers (like the number of people who immigrated being OVER 2 MILLION when it was barely 1.5). He doesn't seem like a reliable source.

[@jhughes344]

@@jorgejustin461 its well known the useless famine roads and workhouses forced under the poor laws just search that up and you can see the images for yourself. the potato was forced upon the irish by the british aswell as it made money quicker as the british capitalists gone and crashed the market and made corn cheap and not worth much. also you will find loads of food was being exported to britain during the famine ironically potatoes aswell not too sure when tho. One thing is britain ultimately failed to help ireland due to capitalism at the end of the day the powerful lot caused a recession and ireland got hit with a fungus tht had gave them the worst of both worlds on there land and from there owners. britain trying to wipe there hands clean made the famine much much worse hence why it was a famine what turned into a genocide due to poor morals and mismanagement like the famines in china under mao over eager powerful egos shifting blame to wipe there hands of the blood they have on em.

[@MichaelDelaware]

It would be interesting to see an update on this video now that it is 2021. Have they been removing the walls?

[@Stephno86]

nope!...nor will they for years to come sadly :(

[@pecadodeorgullo5963]

@@Stephno86 I think Fermanagh is the only place where you don't see much signs of them.

[@daniellowry]

Those walls won't be coming down by 2023 without a government 😥

[@rhondacupples1943]

Mate dont expect those walls to come down

[@Valencetheshireman927]

The Northern Irish are even more divided than the rest of the British

[@Valencetheshireman927]

But the majority wish to be British

[@DarkHallwayz]

J 19 There hasn’t been an election in 3 years. There hasn’t been a running Assembly in almost 3 years. Its hard to even know if the DUP are still the largest party

[@danielinnicg2114]

@@Valencetheshireman927 not true

[@chouten5942]

Very well done. Most information here is not biased. I am Irish and Catholic, and in school we learn so much on these topics. Although he left out a bit. I agree both sides done wrong, especially Ireland with the troubles (although the Black and Tans and RUC weren't fair to any Catholics) Unfortunately, there is a lot of tension between these 2 religions even now. Orange day parades, still make a lot of Catholics feel unsafe. Back during the troubles the IRA shot 2 English Protestant children. The song Zombie by Dolores O' Riordan reffers to not just that insident but many others. Things the IRA done And the feared Black and Tans. It's 2020 and there is still Racism, Culturalism, and tension between so many people and religions. Is it more important to be right, or to be honest and fair. We all done wrong, not just in Irish and English history, but all over the world. We need to stand up and admit our wrong doings and put the hate behind us. We can't take back our history. It's part of who we are, but we can come together as one, no matter the religion, race or culture.

[@johnmccormick8159]

Correction: Why was Ireland split...

[@ciaran3207]

Very nice video, just one point I would add at the very start. The Normans in England were encouraged into Ireland by the then King of Leinster, Dermot McMurrough in 1170. What an eejit!!!

[@stephenarcher8929]

So pretty straightforward really.

[@JosephusXIX]

A college semester of Irish history in about 12 minutes

[@BomChickyBowWow]

Absolutely. This is why the Socratic method is antiquated.

[@overall33]

The whole point of school so you remember it don't forgot that shit it

[@valeuudiste4664]

nope. 5th year history

[@FMJIRISH]

Not even close to a college semester of Irish history. This skips over a whole lot, to a suspicious degree given exactly what is omitted.

[@JosephusXIX]

FMJ IRISH Well, American college at least.

[@christiancruz1452]

I think you need to talk slower for people whos first language is not english and and not used to your accent. Other than that, great video!

[@chukkachick1879]

Exactly. Accent so thick that it was a strain to understand him. Same thing with most of the documentaries on here about the Troubles in Ireland where they use first-person interviewees to describe the events. It makes the documentaries completely inaccessible for people who are genuinely interested in Irish history, but who cannot understand English when it is not spoken in a clear, concise idiom. They should use subtitles or a BBC-type narrator.

[@stevebrawner9119]

@@darrendiggins9853 I wish you would speak english. : )

[@JohnSmith-nz4bn]

@@stevebrawner9119 I used to that to Welsh and Irish managers all the time 😂

[@Ehgg-]

0.75

[@chukkachick1879]

@@darrendiggins9853 Who cares about their "anti-monarchy banter"? These events are a part of Irish history, and I was genuinely interested in what the interviewee had to say. It's no different from an Englishman speaking distorted French, or a Frenchman speaking distorted English. And if you are going to call names, it's not "my lord" but "my lady". Smh.

[@lawrencedillard9938]

Thank you. This is a complicated history, that you managed to distill down to it's constituent parts very very well. I commend you sir. Thank you.

[@jimrubadue358]

uk and Ireland are the same thing

[@eireball]

@@jimrubadue358 okay. What does that have to do with the comment though.

[@GS-xt8fu]

I’m excited to go to Scotland and Ireland next year. I am eight generations of American with my grandfather and uncle both coming to the colonies from Scotland. My last name is Williamson and my grandfather who was the first of our family in America, was Samuel Williamson. We have cousins in Fife and Glasgow. I watched this and I can play it safe while in either country. My mother’s maiden name is McCort and her family came from Ireland. Classic....my mother’s family was Catholic and my fathers Protestant. Very interesting video and I never understood, northern Ireland and...Ireland. That helped.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

Well one reason your ancestors came to America must be because of irish famine. Do you know about it? Which man made

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@TJ Bell ok😤😱

[@adammacgreagoir4924]

@TJ Bell wtf, lad you just made fun of a genocide, you know that right?

[@HIMDUNCAN404]

@@ShubhamMishrabro I think I have a very surface 🏄‍♂️ deep, understanding of the famine...? Was it basically the “powers that be” ensured that farmers couldn’t produce or distribute crops to the people??

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

@@HIMDUNCAN404 i don't know too. I remember one point that during famine companies were exporting potatoes as there were no laws to ban exports during a crisis

[@baldeepbirak]

Great video of the history of Ireland.

[@anthonytaylor9232]

Very informative but would have appreciated it much more had your delivery been at a slower pace, what was the rush about?

[@Agiven32]

He’s a Scottish man It’s the way they speak U get used 2 it

[@davidtrask4099]

The oft repeated view that Henry VIII established the "Church of England" is not true. Henry considered himself to be a Catholic. The C of E was not established until 1559 by an act of parliament during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I who followed the Catholic Queen Mary I ("Bloody Mary").

[@JaimeAndandoPeru]

From South America we know the fame of the English as pirates, however it is surprising that they have inflicted so much damage even to their closest neighbor.

[@caleb4790]

Jaime Alcántara Alegría they havnt inflicted much damage

[@caleb4790]

Faeces Dealer yes amen

[@dnhy7951]

@Enoch's Ghost Wanker.

[@koolmckool7039]

@Enoch's Ghost We didn't care for it, that's why we threw your tea and fought for Liberty.

[@koolmckool7039]

@Enoch's Ghost Sorry you have an inferiority complex now that we're better than you.

[@angelokimi]

Scottish accent is difficult to comprehend.. Is "i" pronounced as "e" in Scottish?

[@Smarf182]

obviously not you muppet

[@haryobaskoro5443]

Mostly yes

[@robertcarter9350]

@@Smarf182 Feck you, an all

[@robertcarter9350]

Agree. Painful to listen to scots attempting to speak english.

[@adamender9092]

Maybe because they have their own language, maybe? Maybe that influences their speech. Maybe. Just maybe.

[@grantanderson2944]

Talk about Kosovo or transnistria in Moldova

[@davidalancarroll2456]

I appreciate your generous boundary markings.

[@joekelly9755]

10:26 mistake “(the coutry)”

[@nadeem187]

How to end the issue with Catholics or Protestants. Have a Muslim or Jewish monarch

[@WannabeMarsanach]

NADEEM ISMAIL That won't end shit, it'll just make it worse.

[@orizach1099]

Nice

[@nadeem187]

I was only joking.

[@xelgringoloco2]

Israel/Palestine is just Britain/Ireland on steroids. If anything this is gods fault for putting the centres of all the Abrahamic religions within 100 miles of each other.

[@PhazonSouffle]

Okay. But only if Judaism and Islam merge to form Jizzlam.

[@awwwwUknow]

Derry Girls made me curious about this.

[@cmjv542]

awwwwUknow saaaame 😂 I was confused if they were from Ireland or Northern Ireland

[@nbv6975]

Same. I’ve never been very clear on the troubles.

[@Meeeeeeee]

Derry girls are from Northern Ireland I'm also

[@Jabreezylife]

Hahaahhahah saaame! But i was invested since cillian murphy, gleeson brothers

[@i_cri_evertim]

Your display picture is somewhat familiar for me. Hmm

[@Rad392jeep]

Visiting NI later this year from L.A... Can not wait!.... i'm not religious so i hope that helps.. from what i hear it's safe there now..

[@europa_bambaataa]

I have arrived back at this fine video today. I've watched the first 18 seconds and it's all flooding back - THIS VIDEO IS REALLY REALLY FUCKING GOOD. OK now I'mma watch it again.