Norton Crypto. It's EVEN WORSE than you think....

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Norton has made an Ethereum mining pool that comes with Norton 360… is it any good? Is it a scam? Let’s find out!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:03 Norton Crypto
1:41 Mining Pools
3:43 Cons
5:53 Testing
7:23 Get rid of it
8:30 Conclusion
10:30 Outro

[@lurick]

Norton such a good guy they even take a cut of the earnings for you!

[@batesyboy321]

how nice!

[@bentosan]

It’s not even 15% of the profit. It’s 15% of the whole lot. So once you work out your power costs they actually end up taking the lions share depending on how cheap your power is.

[@Abaw]

These bots are so annoying

[@meow8797]

Annoy him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HKhZ-FhK2Zn5o

[@Vanilla_Donut]

@@Abaw LTT can auto-delete/hide comments with links in them to at least get rid of most of these bots.

[@ZenEmu01]

I genuinely wish I could bill Norton for all the time I have spent uninstalling their crap from work, friends and family PC’s over the past 35 years or so.

[@SianaGearz]

For all I know, Peter Norton is a perfectly fine individual and hasn't been affiliated with the company still unfortunately named after him in 30 years. Works on LTE/5G chip technology now.

[@adampope5107]

Jesus I had flashbacks to having to go into safe mode, editing the registry, and making sure to disable startup and services to make sure that Norton and McAfee get removed.

[@djwchuckry]

i believe ur a few years over ur estimate norton came out in '91

[@kylehill3643]

@@djwchuckry Yes it's been that long. He very well may have had a PC with Norton on it back then. We had a computer in 1990 and also a Commodore 64 for books and things. We put all our C64 stuff in a hard drive which we still have both the C64 and the hard drive noisy as @!Q#.

[@studiotvar]

Can feel worse than actual viruses when trying to help friends and relatives… darn this is pure ivil!

[@Baalaaxa]

I love how their software has turned from anti-malware into actual malware & scam. And then they charge you for it. Lol.

[@HeavenHalos]

It's called "innovation", mate.

[@Heinz76Harald]

what you mean: has turned into....? it always has been scam, they just evolved

[@RhizometricReality]

Wouldn't it be funny if they got taken down by anticorporate espionage

[@zombievac]

It's a complicated topic, but their software along with basically all other antivirus software has been mostly a scam from the very beginning, and only got worse from there (mostly as in they hype up and even harvest/create bunk threats, and any real malware was not only very limited in actual scope, but any of the bad ones were never stopped by major antivirus software when they were actually a problem in the wild). Now you're pretty crazy to pay for or use anything aside from Windows Defender or other built in OS protection (because its still signature based anyway, and even more effective because its used by the widest number of people and updated the most quickly and consistently through windows itself), because all 3rd party antivirus software is actually bloated malware/adware these days, or is otherwise just specialized scanners good for finding/fixing infections after they have actually happened.

[@TheOfficialDarkICE]

@@zombievac Yes and almost nobody does understand it. I have to work with bitdefender and their heuristic is just trash where they block or detect my powershell scripts as malware. The reasons why are things that are just the characteristics of powershell. Fucking hate them, i have to whitelist every scripts and after every change. Whitelist does mean to sent it to bitdefender to whitelist the signature because their inbuilt whitelist on the control panel doesn't work. We even have issue on our Windows Servers where they detect dlls from SCCM or other Microsoft Products.

[@kaiserdostuff]

Norton: There is no malware because I am the malware. Mcafee: We should step up our game to be the best ransomware.

[@QuinnActually]

i must know what happened with McAfee

[@dubstep1]

dont trust any anti-virus keep the default one your pc already has like microsoft windows defender.

[@hanzohasashi4534]

There's no malware, it's just basic and useless CPU mining that has existed for years.

[@byungkyup]

Here's a question: should workplaces worry about employees running Norton miner on their work computer? After all, it's one thing to look for a rogue software (that increases power cost for companies) installed by employees without authorization; should IT departments now consider Norton malicious/parasitic software?

[@jan-lukas]

Norton has already been malicious software before lol

[@ianrobertson3419]

If your company has 6gb gpus then i'd be more worried about people just stealing them.

[@blownfuse26]

If the IT department is worth anything, security settings are locked to average users.

[@Amorousstake4]

Obviously

[@RT-wl7io]

Why do you have powerful video cards at work?

[@dekjet]

Quick reminder: Norton also owns Avast, AVG and Avira Antivirus.

[@mrlithium69]

as expected, Avira is now also doing the same cryptominer thing.

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

All antivirus companies are shady in some or another way imo. In Windows Defender we trust!

[@Fatty420]

So thats why they all went to shit.

[@alexskywalker888]

@@Squilliam-Fancyson "Windows" "we" "trust" never go in the same sentence.

[@KamenRiderRaiden]

... *They own Avast... **_OH OF THE FUCK COURSE THEY DO_*

[@TheRipeTomatoFarms]

Shocking that Macafee didn't think of it first!

[@roamintheslums4851]

that dude is dead

[@roamintheslums4851]

$wacked

[@someguy9175]

@@roamintheslums4851 pretty sure McAfee the company is alive and well... oh, and on Dell, Lenovo and HP prebuilts all over the world aswell.

[@roamintheslums4851]

@@Vex2not I completely agree.

[@roamintheslums4851]

@@someguy9175 what's your point the government $wacked him

[@zanewong2005]

In Mainland China, some universities are already told to uninstall Norton products because of the government's crackdown on cryptos. Very smart move for Norton to lose both the antivirus market and the PR war.

[@Ranaanna]

FYI NortonLIfeLock products are not sold to institutions. No university in China has ever purchased a single product from Norton.

[@zanewong2005]

@@Ranaanna Chinese authroties' crack on crypto currencies apply also to organizational computers (incl. orgniazations like universities). That's the point of this report. So it may actually affect real Norton products buyers.

[@Ranaanna]

@@zanewong2005 My point is that how come they are told, and need to uninstall a product they never bought.

[@zanewong2005]

@@Ranaanna Because it's Norton product, and they may be install the pirated ones, and the officials are probably not that smart; they can be just scared out of 'Norton' the name. That's why it's really a very move for Norton to tame its own name as antivirus software.

[@IIARROWS]

At 15%, there is a good risk that the user is actually losing money with the wrong hardware...

[@geogmz8277]

You're... 😅 Even with the right hardware you still need to pay for the Norton Subscription.

[@monsterhunter445]

I mean if you are mining with one gpu I doubt the power is gonna be concern.

[@thisismagacountry1318]

@@monsterhunter445 Stupid question. If I fill racks with the cheapest computers like real crypto miners do would it be worth the expense to run Norton on a bank of 100 or so?

[@theretarder]

@@thisismagacountry1318 the PC has to have an Nvidia GPU with 6 gb of ram for the Norton miner to work.

[@thisismagacountry1318]

@@theretarder Thanks, for a good laugh watch Bane in Batman can't stop thinking about sex.

[@mini-_]

When the anti virus becomes the crypto mining virus: *congratulations, you played yourself*

[@Entr0py404]

Damn man look at these bots on all the comments it's like flies on shit

[@meow8797]

Annoy him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HKhZ-FhK2Zn5o

[@tommorgan6206]

@@meow8797 Don't care + not your personal army + reported for spam

[@CanadianB.O.W]

Oh ya their soooo done lmao

[@_Mackan]

Norton's always been a virus lol

[@deadend51000]

Some time ago a reason for me to install antivirus program was to get rid of a trojan which was using my gpu for cryptomining. Now Norton becomes the trojan.

[@JD_Mortal]

Where do you think they got the idea to do it...

[@MortimerZabi]

Such a far cry from how Norton actually used to make good tools back in the MS DOS days. Heck, Peter Norton himself wrote quite a lot of books about the IBM PC. Then Symantec bought the brand, and now it's this.

[@stevehogle2972]

I remember using the old Dos Norton tools. they were legit back in the day!

[@thegamerfe8751]

Of course almost every service like this used to be good but now the brand is just being exploited for money and nothing more.

[@hardwarebench9735]

the best thing is that they block any other mining client as an virus and then take 15% for themself

[@Amorousstake4]

Ahh another spam in your replies

[@w4hid]

This is monopoly

[@hardwarebench9735]

@@N0N0111 yea they are mining the miners lol

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

In biology they call such things "hypertumors".

[@PashaGamingYT]

that’s great lmao

[@StrokeMahEgo]

The best way forward is for other AV products, including Windows Defender, to mark the Norton installer as malicious/PUP for background mining.

[@S_Roach]

Yeah, because we'd trust Microsoft to ONLY flag Norton because it was malware. Remember how when you went to install Firefox or Chrome, Edge popped up and asked if you were sure? Not the most credible standard-bearer of consumers rights.

[@StrokeMahEgo]

@@S_Roach that's a fair point, and I hadn't considered that when writing my original comment. That said, many av products already do this with other software that crypto mine, so it's not too far off, provided MS isn't trying to sell you something like Windows Defender Plus or some other bs

[@TPixelAdventures]

@@S_Roach To be fair to the MS Defender Team, they've done a stellar job dragging it out of the mud and actually creating a decent security product. While I won't comment on the Windows team's decisions...I do think that Norton having a miner installed would be a real pain to filter when doing endpoint security and user behaviour. Sigh...Norton.

[@S_Roach]

@@TPixelAdventures I don't think I'm being unfair to the MS Defender Team when I say that MS, as a whole, has a poor reputation for sowing FUD.

[@TPixelAdventures]

​@@S_Roach welp...i have to agree with you there. Microsoft as a whole hasn't had a good track record especially in these last few years. Broken patches, broken updates, privacy snooping, Edge browser being a little shit, etc. They have a lot to do if they wanna regain consumer trust.

[@NicholasSouris]

I'm betting over 50% of Norton users have onboard Intel GPUs. The hash rate will be in the 1-3 range. But taking 15% Norton is poised to have the minimum Stake needed after that transition and who knows what happens to the company after that?

[@akiraokami]

According to the ETH calculator, if I were to set up my system, a fairly new system with a 3080 mind you, the expected "gains" I'd get per month mining etherium vs the price of electricity in my area is ... a loss of about $50 per month.

[@Mario583a]

Norton: Oh no! Also Norton: Anyway.

[@DeerJerky]

I love how Norton is just "pay for what you already have for free, but worse" software - Windows Defender comes with Windows and has actually matured really well, often having less false results and detecting more malware than paid services (Norton) - not to mention it doesn't hog up your system resources whatsoever - Literally most other mining software is free and has minimal to no fees.

[@waheeddoesstuff]

Norton actually detects other mining things as malware, even the trusted ones

[@in2deep41]

Windows defender has matured and is sufficient for most savvy internet users, but to say it isn't a resource hog entirely depends on what your use case is. If you deal with large files, defender can eat ram like crazy

[@new_delhi]

@@waheeddoesstuff *_The Irony_*

[@arjunyg4655]

I used to work for Symantec, who used to make Norton, and I can confidently say our products were vastly better than Windows Defender at detecting many types of intrusions. Yes it cost more CPU resources, but the results were better. As for what’s going on 3 years later (today), I have no clue.

[@razorclarencecallahan950]

@@arjunyg4655 Maybe it was better 3 years before, today, it's definitely not better

[@AnT508]

Great work for covering this! Norton is such a... "product". I'm not even surprised anymore.

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[@meow8797]

Annoy him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HKhZ-FhK2Zn5o

[@JeebusChrist]

Broadcom\Symantec is such a shit company I'm not even surprised anymore. -ftfy

[@nlx78]

I loved Norton somewhere between 1994 and 2002 or so, then took other Anti Virus. Currently have one that comes with my provider, F-Secure. I like that one too. Lightweight.

[@dvdemon187]

Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

[@Thermalions]

Not to mention that cryptocurrency is deemed as an asset in some countries and as such has associated tax implications. I can't imagine Norton's providing enough information to assist with meeting one's obligations there let alone minimising the tax payable on the mining/disposal.

[@gulaschkeule]

a few weeks ago I helped my dad to activate a key for Norton...this was painful. There´s no direct key activation button and we had to log us in several times also like we had to enter the key several times and had to dodge a monthly subscription which wasn´t that easy. Since then I even hate Norton even more. This procedure is very close to a scam in my eyes.

[@Not.Your.Business]

it doesn't feel like a scam, it IS a scam

[@sofaking4779]

Norton CEO to UBER CEO: "So you are telling me the drivers have to pay for their own cars, gas, and insurance but all you have to do is provide an app that takes 15% off the top?"

[@FM4AMGV]

Last I checked UBER wasn't even profitable as a company. That may have changed, but I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that an app platform like it couldn't be profitable.

[@derradfahrer5029]

Straigth from the text book of Dogbert Consulting

[@awesomenet7628]

​@@FM4AMGV Companies don't want profit when they're just starting out since profit is taxed. They spend all their profit on growing the company and cover expenses with loans, that's the way all companies work.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

@@awesomenet7628 Right. That's why they were fighting desperately to prevent their drivers from being considered employees, as the costs of providing them with mandated employee benefits would would put them even more in the red. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your opinion of the company), they appear to have lost that battle, so their plan to eat taxis' lunch is in danger.

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 no that's just Uber being dicks. Taxis are extremely profitable and they give out cars and insurance and gas etc plus actual wages. Uber has multiple times a regular taxis profit margins...

[@Lions7.62mm]

The way Norton hid the 15% fee seems like they saw the shit Dell could get away with, so Norton improvised 😂😂

[@donc-m4900]

do you want an extended warrenty with that?

[@chillhour6155]

@Usda Lefa 💘 get a job

[@rockyaldebaran4085]

@@donc-m4900 lmfao 🤣

[@Mario583a]

@@chillhour6155 At KZbin no less. Seriously, I do not think KZbin does jackshit about these bots. Just outright bans links in comments, in general.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

I still remember when Norton was actually good. I know crazy right, once upon a time Norton was a name for good software software. Norton Antivirus, Norton Corporate Anitvirus (previously Intel LANdesk), Norton Commander, Norton Utilities and Norton Ghost were all good. This as all pre 2000 so long time ago now.

[@stitch10925]

Norton was good at some point? Doubt that. Even if the anti-virus aspect was fine, it has always been a resource-hog.

[@brober8661]

Bought a laptop in 2010 only to find my second HDD was full 2 months later w/ Norton backups. Luckily, Norton had a very convenient cloud backup service to sell to me. . . I can't believe anyone uses Norton in 2022.

[@chodiusmaximus4042]

I still use norton 360 premium in 2022 lol, didn't know it had this much hate. Used it ever since back in 2005 till now. Didn't know windows defender was actually good now. Why so much hate for norton?

[@ahmed4363]

@@chodiusmaximus4042 they hog your resources and and basically try and break and your systems so you cant uninstall it at all without technical know-how (or watching lenthy tutorials for uninstalling it for good) and as shown in this video, mine in your pc and sometimes even without you knowing. And their service is also bad that even windows defender is better than it now (granted... windows defender did receive plenty of updates in recent years that made it actually good)

[@erebus015]

Ugh... Another reason to avoid Norton, which I've been doing the last 25 years.

[@nogoat]

Norton. I still can't believe that turd of a software survived after all these years. EDIT : 15 PERCENT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

[@S_Roach]

Hey, if they're not YOUR computers, or your energy bill, 85% off the top, while you do right by your boss and keep the fleet of computers up to date on the latest antimalware, is a pretty good deal. I suspect this is the REAL target audience.

[@jothain]

Well Norton was quite good software, but that's indeed ages ago.

[@philipsmith530]

Thanks for the heads up linus wot a beautiful family all the best from Australia

[@VadikRamm]

So what's the best option to get into mining nowadays? Would you make an updated video?

[@TheIndieGamer500]

Rough week for linus. First he was FORCED to buy a chromebook, and now he has to install and pay for Norton as well?

[@dividion8102]

Linus' misery makes for good entertainment. Credit to the writers.

[@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF]

Next he will be forced to install Arch Linux! Hahah!

[@wasdlmb]

@@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF Nah he did that of his own volition. Check out his Linux daily driver challenge. Pop os had a broken package and that convinced him to switch to Manjaro which he then used for a month

[@battlebuddy4517]

@@wasdlmb pop os is not might for hardware outside of what pop sells so that likely was gonna happen lol

[@richardmeyer418]

@@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF Better even - Gentoo. He can then recompile everything as he installs .... 😄

[@KamiThulak]

Not disclosing fees seems kind illegal in Europe

[@dragosradoi7442]

They discolsed them where the average Joe wouldn't look. This is legal, but very predatory.

[@ianrobertson3419]

not disclosing fees is the backbone of the crypto market.

[@dragosradoi7442]

@@ianrobertson3419 True. Crypto is a scam alltogether. It just wastes resources for something that has no real value.

[@osmantamburaci1numra]

@@dragosradoi7442 EU rules say that such things have to be clearly displayed and not put somewhere hidden at a webpage location.

[@jothain]

@@dragosradoi7442 Yes. Mining should be banned globally. Stupid energy wasting in this century. And people claim they're aware of reducing resources. What a load of bs.

[@carcrashjayson]

"Worse than you thought." - Didn't most people who just read the headline think it started mining without your consent?

[@LuisRamirez-xu2pi]

This is surprisingly a well-researched video. Kudos to the Linus research team for sorting out the irrelevant info from the ones we came here for.

[@iantiller7608]

I used to work for them, albeit a different division. They changed a lot over the last few years. For the worse. The middle finger to the consumer perception is highly accurate.

[@meow8797]

Annoy him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HKhZ-FhK2Zn5o

[@PabzRoz]

Can someone please explain why everyone hates Norton and why I shouldn't use it? And what's the best alternative anti virus? I have been using Norton for many years now and especially as of recent it's been really good as far I can tell. Crypto mining aside which I think is just ridiculous lol I just ignore that. But it uses way under 1% of my CPU (r5 3600) majority of the time and has done it's job well as far as protecting my machine. It has a lot of features as well including a VPN that I can actually choose my region, plenty of back up cloud space, etc. etc. along with a bunch of scan options that work seamlessly. I get Norton was trash back in the day but has anyone even used it recently?

[@lambdaman3228]

@@PabzRoz > Can someone please explain why everyone hates Norton and why I shouldn't use it? Sure. It's unnecessary. It doesn't do anything the OS doesn't already do. You do not need an antivirus besides the Windows built-in antivirus. If you want a VPN, buy a VPN. If you want cloud back-up, buy cloud back-up. Both together are still cheaper than Norton. Norton is a scammy company that provides an inferior product at inflated prices.

[@Secondarian]

@@PabzRoz Because a good VPN and cloud backup solution combined (+Windows Defender which is free) are cheaper and better than what Norton offers.

[@PabzRoz]

@@lambdaman3228 gotcha. appreciate the reply thanks.

[@racheeeed]

As much as I usually enjoy the humorous tone of Linus and LTT videos, I feel that this should be denounced more strongly than this. People shouldn't EVER participate in or encourage such behavior from Norton. This is ripe for abuse, deceptive, dishonest and just completely outrageous . I'm surprised that a couple of clicks to sign in without any sort of EULA stating the fees involved is even legal.

[@seeibe]

Would have loved to see them go into more detail on which crypto mining software Norton detects as "threats" compared to e.g. Windows Defender.

[@DELZOR]

Laws still didn't catch up to this pretend money scam so it is probably still within some gray legal bounds.

[@ChristopherGray00]

It's only legal because crypto is not legal tender, at least in the eyes of court technicality, crypto is monopoly money.

[@twist3d537]

@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw this isn't about ms

[@ChristopherGray00]

@Aaron Moody sure it is an asset but its not legal tender

[@anagl5077]

Wchich is the best antivirus for you? Thanks for your great video!

[@hkaracax1]

Norton aims IT managers who can mine over work computers (including employees') without drawing any attention from upper management...

[@W1ldTangent]

lmfao I didn't even think about that, but my (terminated) predecessor absolutely would have. I found BTC miners on a couple of our servers, and no evidence that somebody had hacked them in there. Not 100% sure it was him, but it definitely tracks with the official reasons he was let go. It took a while, but everything that guy ever so much as touched has been replaced or reformatted. Having to fire a sysadmin is a costly endeavour.

[@captainqwark4863]

I live in the country with the 5th most expensive electricity prices, so the only one really making money would be Norton. To me it looks like they won't show the user his power usage on purpose. This is Norton taking advantage of newbies, this really is the biggest crime to me.

[@DrSmugface]

germany .. second highest .. mining here is just not worth it .. atleast not if you dont "steal" the electricity ...

[@volvo09]

They are indirectly stealing from people. Rather than just buying eth, they are having customers "buy" it through their power bills. I don't think many Norton users are going to have profitable graphics cards, especially with Norton taking a portion of the earnings, so it is indirect theft through electric bills... And added cooling costs also. Imagine installing this on a small office of 30 pc's or so? Every PC suddenly outputting a roughly 100w more of heat. That's going to cause you to have to use WAY more ac.

[@DrSmugface]

@@volvo09 Norton doesn't care ..they just want your money ..or the money you create

[@mishXY]

@@DrSmugface im kleingarten mit 800w solaranlage mine ich den ganzen Tag (solangs hell ist)

[@boringNerd]

Ah yes Norton...my dad recently noticed his laptop feels really hot to the touch, and the fans seemed to be constantly running at full speed. I checked his CPU and memory utilization. Memory was a little high, so I pull out Task Manager and noticed most of the memory was used by Norton. I thought it's just Norton running some scans, so I opened Norton. I was surprised to see Norton Crypto turned on and running. I am pretty tech saavy so I know what this is but my dad has no idea what is crypto mining. He don't even remember turning Norton Crypto on. He subscribed to Norton just to protect his computer. Personally I won't be pissed if Norton release a seperate application for Norton Crypto, but to include it into Norton 360 is just...that made me reconsider letting my dad continue his Norton subcription.

[@timarmstrong8765]

It sad right, seeing these non IT iterate being tricked by anti virus company.

[@razorclarencecallahan950]

Bro, just cancel the subscription, get a better AV like Kaspersky or Bitdefender, even Windows defender is better

[@horrifieddole1904]

@@razorclarencecallahan950 i think that paying for anti Virus Software is kinda waisted money when Windows defender is free

[@razorclarencecallahan950]

@@horrifieddole1904 depends

[@volvo09]

I was going to say, wtf about laptops? I tried mining on my Dell 6520 laptop with dedicated gpu and I couldn't believe how hot it got, it burned my fingers if I touched underneath it... And that was on a dock that held the base off the desk for Max airflow. This is terrible for the long term health of a laptop. Way too abusive.

[@johngreco8259]

i have a question for you and to try,,, would a thermal diofram work better then thermal paist on a cpu????..

[@W1ldTangent]

I'd love for this to end in the lawsuit that Norton deserves for even existing, but sadly I know it'll never happen.

[@Gmododo]

you should definitely do an updated comparison/review video on all the current antivirus software, explain what the average user should look for or avoid, and give your own suggestions. Choosing an AV is unsurprisingly hard for the non tech savvy

[@metaloenformol]

there is a recent TechQuickie on antiviruses and Windows Defender which could be useful

[@kozygeorg]

best answer is not to have an antivirus. windows defender is plenty enough if you are not completely stupid

[@meow8797]

Annoy him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HKhZ-FhK2Zn5o

[@robertjanbout1437]

As others say, windows defender is still competing with top of the line antivirus software. Companies tend to use other services but even they have no practical benefit from doing so.

[@metaloenformol]

@@kozygeorg Actually.... yeah you're right.

[@watfordjc]

"People still call us resource hogs. How can we change that?" "Well, everyone else is doing GPU acceleration... if we're not utilising CUDA cores we can claim 0% GPU usage." "Use GPU to make more money, I like it. Let's see what R&D can come up with."

[@acoustictie8907]

I like this background. It gives off seudo 4:3 Vibes. Less distraction, makes the presenter look more serious.

[@leetnor4887]

I use miming as an oven for my house during winter. Get heat from the GPU so basically turns heating my home to a net positive, maybe i should also connect my warm water for showers

[@Gamepadder]

This is very concerning to me as a IT professional. I have clients who use GPUs for things like 3d xray viewing, CAD, graphic design. Now imagine you're trying to steal money from businesses. No need to install ransomware. Just give the victim a copy of Norton 360 and turn them into a mining drone.

[@jonaskennedy]

This is actually in-credible. What the fuck. Thank you for exposing this. On a side note when you used a red highlighter at 7:58 it was difficult to read through (I'm colorblind). I've found that lighter shades solve this issue. Not a huge deal at all, I just know you guys prefer to be aware of those things. You guys rock!

[@intagengaming8462]

Yeah, I’m not even colourblind and it’s still hard to read, I don’t know why they chose red for highlighting black text.

[@AlumarsX]

@@intagengaming8462 the editor was blood thirsty

[@trimonmusic]

Seeing well-mannered, constructive feedback on a social platform really warms my heart, great work!

[@jonaskennedy]

@@trimonmusic No point in being upset when it's an honest mistake. I try to keep this quote near the front of my thoughts often: "'[Being polite] costs you nothing but breath, and can buy you as much as your life' -Harry Dresden" --Jim Butcher "Skin Game"

[@Shogoeu]

Companies like Nicehash should start making lawsuits for anti-competitive practices against Norton.

[@Rain-uj5ej]

Finally mentioned POS, and it doesn't just affect power usage but will the actual hardware involved in mining Ethereum. Every GPU currently in use will almost become useless which will inject hundreds of thousands of cards into gamers' hands for almost free. Please figure this out and bring us some more in-depth videos

[@stonium69]

The POS transition has been delayed so many times that it seems like a tool eth is using to look like they care about being environmentally friendly without actually doing anything. I want to be proven wrong but it was supposed to happen in 2020 I think or maybe even earlier

[@melenaus]

Norton already hogs all of the resources, what are they gonna use to mine?

[@repatch43]

Up until now they've only hogged disk space, CPU cycles and memory. Now they've branched to hogging up your GPU. They've got the whole package!

[@toriless]

BS

[@personthing88]

wtf 3 bots in a row

[@TheDemocrab]

You'd think KZbin would try to do something about the bots considering they only ever link to the same few URLs, but apparently not. Bet they're trying to make an algorithm to figure it out. 🙄

[@CoolJosh3k]

If they blocked it based on the content, then the one running the bots will update their content until it works again. This means KZbin puts in the effort and resources, adding to a database, while the bots only go offline very briefly. To fix it they need something clever that stops the bots for long enough to make the solution worth implementing.

[@pixaphy]

@@CoolJosh3k it's an absolute mess and unfortunately for as many things as they could actually fix that's wrong with their platform this one is one of the ones I don't know if they actually can. Whenever I end up on a really popular channel that's infested with these bots I go around mass flagging them in order to get enough of them stuck in the algorithm to at least cause problems

[@lasthopelost9090]

@LunarVVolf throw nfts in there as well it needs to stop imagine the increase in energy usage for a bit more money

[@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266]

one of my buddies was recently banned from youtube for "hate speech" (he said n-word soft a) and meanwhile these bots over here spamming every single comment trafficking pornography of women

[@toriless]

Nope, I am always reporting spam posts.

[@christianhagen183]

Linus, I was installing an Nvidia driver when it took up too much space when installing. So I removed space. Suddenly, when I tried to install again, it jumped up, taking up ALL my driver storage. NTFS. What do I do now? It seemed like if it failed the install, it didn't remove the files from the half-installed driver. Help

[@daveDickinson5983]

Thanks for the advice.. I was already subscribed to Norton before and when it notified about mining when my laptop is idle I turned it on.. Turning it off now... By the way, which is a better alternative to Norton.. Been thinking of switching.

[@DiarrheaBubbles]

me in 2019: Crypto currency is the future. me in 2022: Crypto currency has exposed humanity's *endless* capacity for greed.

[@MarcosQ24]

oof wait until you find out about slavery and privatized healthcare

[@TheSweetSpirit]

Wow, it's even worse than I thought when I first saw this announced. The saddest thing is that it's very well done to fool the ordinary person to potentially waste electricity and their GPU/hardware's lifespan so that Norton can get some extra free money.

[@tntblast500]

I was about to say that mining isn't particularly bad for your hardware if you know what you're doing, but then I realised that your average person knows nothing about maintaining hardware...

[@TheSweetSpirit]

@@tntblast500 Yeah, especially if the norton mining pool is inefficient, that probably doesn't help the health either is what I meant. I'm certainly not going to test it lol

[@seeibe]

@@tntblast500 Yup. Mining wouldn't be that bad if Norton properly power limited your GPU, but as we saw in the video, that doesn't happen.

[@Sqwince23]

So what do u recomme d for the AV to use then?

[@shawnLisi]

I'm glad I watched this video. I've been using it (Yes I don't know anything about mining) Again not realizing that they would get 15% of my sad earning which ranges from $36-$50 a month

[@captaindaedalus1]

It's not like I was in any danger of using Norton for anything, but it's good to know what kind of company that is just in case I have gullible relatives. Thank you for submitting yourself to the unsavory act of installing that on your machine so that I wouldn't have to.

[@AndiCombie]

I consider norton as malware given how often it is included in installers and installs itself if you forget to opt out.

[@grn1]

@@AndiCombie I remember removing it from a friends computer it changed a registry value causing Windows to crash on startup. I literally had to go into safe mode and disable a whole lot of startup stuff (advanced boot settings, I'm talking core Windows features like networking and such) and just iterate re-enabling functions until I found the culprit then a quick (compared to the rest of the process) web search led me to the offending registry option and how to fix it.

[@CinnamonBeard]

I'll let Norton use my computer if they buy me a new GPU. 😁

[@meow8797]

Annoy him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HKhZ-FhK2Zn5o

[@newgroundsluvr]

If you're implying that you would make enough money off Norton Crypto to afford a new graphics card you are incorrect. You will be making a few dollars a month at best and that's before the 15% cut they are taking.

[@Secondarian]

@@newgroundsluvr Wort case scenario: they get negative income.

[@ian.williamson]

@@newgroundsluvr he meant if Norton buys him a gpu, he’ll use their software. So he can use the gpu for other stuff of course

[@pikenote]

@@newgroundsluvr Depends on what kind of GPU you have. Even if you have something quite old (reasonably) like a 1060, it can make $1 / 24 hours. Beefier GPU like 3090 can be like $4.55 / day. That would e after $0.13 per kWH electricity costs.

[@mikionorton2236]

I didn’t know there was a crypto version of my family… I guess I should get to mining.

[@masterkoster]

Power bills are ridiculous now, switching to a new energy provider in Rotterdam the netherlands is now 0.48

[@420Schmat]

Always love a good Norton bash and I was completely unsurprised by the result. Thanks for confirming Norton is still as bad as always!

[@sidewind131258]

Once upon a time Norton actually WAS a good program, it was in the last milennium 😊

[@colevano]

This is straight up a scam for Norton to make a quick buck off of grandma & grandpa's idle PC time.

[@ian.williamson]

It’s not even worth it bc the type of people that use Norton usually have integrated graphics lmao

[@axue4248]

I'd imagine that this crypto miner is specifically targeted to unscrupulous IT help desk workers. It feels like it would be easy to have Norton installed on all computers in the workplace since it is an 'anti-virus'. Then just reap the rewards, using the company's electricity with them being likely none the wiser.

[@W1ldTangent]

Absolutely. We had a sysadmin at my company fired, and in the aftermath post-mortem audit of everything he ever touched found BTC mining software on some servers. We immediately reformatted and built back up piece by piece the stuff we couldn't just nuke from orbit, and then replaced the rest. Firing a sysadmin is not cheap, they have to be the most solid and trustworthy person in your entire company if you're a small business and can't delegate the IT department's authority to specific people with specific areas of responsibility and authority.

[@victorvangrimgamming6784]

The workers might start questioning why their workstations are always in the IT shop being "tuned", and made into space heaters. or a school with a computer lab, where the staff or students try and do the same thing. Valve already had that happen in games you payed for.

[@aribloch]

I have Norton antivirus but only because it is often at a severe discount and the built in VPN and encrypted backup are useful. Occasionally it does block attacks but the other stuff is more useful. And I don't use it on a laptop so battery use isn't an issue

[@Verlisify]

This is so horribly done it makes me feel like Norton didn't die, just uploaded his consciousness to the blockchain

[@allansolomon5132]

You mistaken McAfee to Norton, well both of them are a terrible product

[@dgmarie]

he didnt die?

[@rdmZero]

Youre probably thinking of John Mcafee, which is (as you might have guessed) the dev of McAfee AV

[@BigJayAll]

Strong "Serial Experiments Lain" vibes there. "And you don't seem to understand...." Fuck. I love tha intro

[@Bratfalken]

I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when Symantec and Norton split and also when they merged with another sketchy antivirus firm. Who really owns this "run into the ground" firm that had so much credit in my eyes? They are really blowing it and burning all the bridges! As this so far is only working in the US (according to this "trustworthy" company) we in Europe aren't affected yet, but despite that, if they don't withdraw from this scam I'm throwing away my two prepaid subscriptions! This is the line they should NEVER have crossed!

[@ThriftStoreHacker]

I feel that the developers who built the original core miner are gonna sue Norton

[@cd-yx3nv]

I don't know if that will happen. I really hope it does. Also, who the hell falls for those scam comments?

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@cd-yx3nv enough people to make it profitable to make bots to write em

[@GrumpyIan]

@@cd-yx3nv Also those scam comments are getting out of control.

[@9brane]

What are the alternatives to Norton 360 then? Who makes the best antivirus/firewall software?

[@westbyslade5361]

Sooooo I use Norton and actually used the miner for a couple of days and they didn’t let you cash out until you had a certain minimum. Left it on for a week while on vacation and I still didn’t make enough to withdraw any. Any recommendations on better security software?

[@Raythe]

They ALSO venefit from wearing out your PC/laptop with those higher temps, which means more replacement/upgrade buysz whoch will include more of their software elevating their partnership sales with new units. its indirect, but its not small.

[@Sharibo]

Ok so i dont know if guys will read this, but, @LMG, the hash rate difference between nicehash and norton, isn't because norton is mining less. It is the hashrate, for the money YOU get, after the 15 percent tax. .85 * 39 = 33.15 39 is the hash rate you got from nicehash, and 33 is roughly near the hashrate you got from norton. I used a 2060 to test this, my card is rated for 33 Mh/s, but norton reported around 28. 85 percent of 33 comes to around 28. Just thought of letting you guys know. Peace.

[@ericandrews4861]

Who would you suggest as a good AV program to replace Norton? I’ve used Norton for many years.

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

Can you make a video about Black Crush with monitors/oled tvs?

[@jamescomb1170]

i would rather be late to the party than show up at the wrong one. Be patient with your trade entries.

[@johnlennon232]

i think it’s never late to buy any project at any price.

[@fredgallag6097]

sounds good and hard to accomplish.

[@ceceliakent7715]

Whatever we convince ourselves about being knowledgeable about the market, such courage always leads to enormous losses. Since then, I've sought the professional market advice of Katherine Rae Lobe, a financial advisor who has helped me expand my bag by 2x so far. I'm not in a hurry; I've set a target for myself, and I'll meet it.

[@jessicamoore3093]

@@ceceliakent7715 how can i reach this person if you don’t mind?

[@ceceliakent7715]

@@jessicamoore3093 check her on the web.

[@FelixEFX]

German here, can confirm. Power is f'in expensive. :(

[@DaveStarfire]

Is there any way to test that they aren't mining more and underreporting to keep a larger portion of the cut?

[@dunumanz1679]

8:45 was not a side of David I wanted to see 😂 Thank’s for that image Linus 😅

[@TimeSpaceWormsNow]

Customer: Wait, when do I start making money? Norton: That's the neat part, you don't!

[@SHAdow98V]

LOl that is this whole Norton Mining thing in a nutshell XD

[@Rafael96xD]

Cant wait for the "Uninstall Norton speedruns" ;3

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[@me3wfpv911]

DUDE you videos just pop up and then its game over for work :D

[@davidmaurer3747]

Can you give us an estimate of when your screw driver will come out? Really looking forward to that thing

[@ElijsDima]

Sooo this will end up on all the pre-configured laptops and prebuilts that always ship with norton etc.

[@devomunro]

Regarding the bloatware on PCs, i'd be curious to see you guys put together a supplemental video where you run through what software you and the team at LTT use/allow on your own personal machines & production rigs. it would be fun to see like what type of antivirus or fan curve & otherwise software y'all like & prefer.

[@DrSmugface]

fancurve - bios settings

[@geldartm]

I agree you are slating Norton, So a video showing what you would suggest would be great. Antivirus not the mining

[@mememealsome]

Same! I rely on windows defender, but I’d love to see a breakdown of some other options. I’d consider an antivirus if LTT showed it improved my protection

[@ryannavickas]

Where can you get the hoodie at 0:44

[@tejas.j.h5770]

BRO Recently MY FRIENDS PURCHASED ( ONEPLUS 7PRO ) AND ANOTHER ONE IS ( REALME X7 MAX 5G ) SO CAN YOU PLS SUGGEST ME WHICH 🤔SMARTPHONE SHOULD I BUY TO BEAT THEM

[@DigitalJedi]

At least it isn't running by default. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody else tried to have one that ran by default. Just a couple % here and there on 100k machines worldwide is still a couple thousand GPUs worth of mining.

[@winnieid2727]

Just give it time, and it will be default on.. most of them do in time, especially if it's very profitable.

[@realmountainman]

65 degrees that Linus mentions is misleading. Typically GPUs report their core temps, but mining primarily taxes the GPU memory. While the core might be "just" 65 degrees, the memory may well be pushing 100 C - not good for long term use and stability

[@neil_surya]

I think deceptive is the wrong word to use here, as this goes more to support Linus' point anyway, but yes, the GPU memory will be heavily taxed and under sustained high temperatures will probably not fare well in the long run.

[@realmountainman]

@@neil_surya you're correct. I edited the wording slightly

[@spyghetti]

exactly, thanks norton, you gimped my card, fried my thermal pads, baked my paste on a card impossible to find near retail and charged me 15% fee.. yay! oh yeah and I pay a monthly subscription.. cool botnet. Dudes using Norton to mine are not people that are going to take a 3070 TI apart to replace thermals, fans or make sure the fan curve and temps are safe long term. Norton is gawd awful, this takes the cake. Left out mining ETH and it trapped on a garbage wallet as the gas fees would be too expensive to move my ETH scraps after the price gouge and energy costs I haven't realized.

[@pierb2848]

​@@spyghetti Norton customers probably have at best an mx150 in their laptop. Im not sure it has enough memory to even mine eth in the first place.

[@DigitalJedi]

@@pierb2848 The MX GPUs are 2gb only. ETH wants 4 or 6gb minimum ( I can't remember which).

[@PMWV]

Can someone explain to me why they recommend to not use Norton? Not that I like the software, I just did not think that it could be particularly bad or worse than others. My father has been paying for years, and insisting on having it on all family computers so I never really thought about it.

[@jayros]

Now that you mentioned laptops, is there any crypto you can actually mine on a laptop?

[@wolontong]

Starting from being an anti malware to become a malware itself. Now thats a character development.

[@conyo985]

Ah. The "live long enough to become the villain" moment.

[@LowDoughTech]

@@conyo985 You beat me to it, haha.

[@erickauffmann_official]

Am I the only one TO NOT try any type of cryptocurrency ?

[@blownfuse26]

Nah, I'm in the same boat with no plans to get off.

[@ianrobertson3419]

nope, most people don't bother with it. However, anyone who's into it will surely tell you how great it is and how you too can make money by buying gpus and burning electricity. I swing the other way, i'll tell anyone how dumb it is and how it's literally a pyramid scheme.

[@ahmadalkhansa5294]

Even with its success, I can't recognize its purpose.

[@winnieid2727]

As a citizen of a country that suck out dry it's oil and now have to import most of it's oil need, this crypto energy wasting is just craziness.. Not going to dip into crypto things

[@Nadeel]

@@ahmadalkhansa5294 its purpose is free money or free lose all ur money

[@Slacker28]

what did Nicehash do that makes it heated and what system can I use to mine Crypto?

[@LettuceJuice]

That power chart at 7:02 kinda surprised me. I’m in the US and paying ~33 cents/khw because ... Hawaii

[@noire8790]

I can always expect Linus to deliver a good video. Been watching potentially way too much of Linus tech tips lately but dang it's so easy to get sucked in

[@svenkarlsen2702]

The performance hit from JUST installing Norton AV with real-time protection back in the day was not exactly miniscule... This could be an easy way to hide the fact that their AV is a huge pile of lag-inducing doo-doo...

[@andmicbro1]

Well technically it's only supposed to mine on idle time. But 100%, one of the biggest reasons I stopped using AV and just use Windows Defender.

[@svenkarlsen2702]

@@andmicbro1 It was a lot like mining except there was no income...

[@wolfrig2000]

Mining pools are older than 2010. Jupiter Mining Corporation was already running for around 2 years by then.

[@Hiebly]

The margin between power cost and eth yield/value is super critical... depending on the hashrate of one's GPU, power efficiency (older GPUs will be much worse) and cost of power where they are, Norton's 15% cut might literally make it cost more than it makes you as an end user since it's taking a 15% cut of the crypto rather than a 15% cut of the net profit over energy cost.

[@GlassCanvas]

At one point several years ago Norton had started to charge full subscriptions for their software and then they tacked a second subscription per computer. The one that cane preinstalled and an upgrade. They managed to charge for more than a handful of subscriptions. Even after cutting them off from the credit card side and changing the number they got the new card number and charged it again. After almost a day of phone calls I got them to stop their charges. Never again did I allow Norton on any computer.

[@LvZ90]

That moment when "FAQ" literally becomes a "FA-CK Q-OU".

[@timetravelerdmc9809]

Ive used Norton Security Standard on my pc since 2017 idk if thats the same as 360 but idk if im just ignorant cause i havent noticed any performance/general issues out of all the years ive used it

[@EkwereLaw1]

That eye twitch at 7:50 was priceless. lol