NOT What I Expected! - Sony A7SIII Low Light TEST Footage!

[@geribrn6453]

HLG: Best for low light for high ISO performance and shadow recovery. Processed colours SLOG: Best for daytime to preserve the highlights. Best for colour grading

[@glennparker8247]

Slog 3 is actually better at low light if you understand how to use it properly.

[@glennparker8247]

@@gabytro that’s because you don’t understand it but you do you.

[@jdlmediaco3541]

Cleans up at every 4 1/3 stops. Phillip bloom did a full test on it last week.

[@EugeniaLoli]

Slog3 is designed to keep up to 15 stops of DR. But its Sgamut3 color space is extremely problematic and none of the available video editors shrink slog2 or slog3 to rec709 gracefully. That's why there's this yellow-brown tint on slog footage during the day, and it turns all green at night. However, HLG is designed to have a very defined color space, and it works very well. Get the "Clean Slate" Lut from a guy who made luts for hlg (find him on youtube, can't remember his name now, it's a lut pack). It works very well. HLG3 holds only 11 stops of DR, but it doesn't throw up on you. I've personally moved to HLG3 with a rec709 color mode, and Detail to -7 (otherwise its oversharpned). I wish there was a way to turn off automatic NR on Sonys too, but there's isn't.

[@bjoernfischer]

I use HLG3, Detail: -6, Saturation: -12 for low light scenes on my a7sIII, it's easy to match to my s-log footage, but way less noisy :) and don't have overexpose it, so you will end up with lower isos :)

[@MomentumProductions1992]

I like this idea a lot! Thank you for this!

[@jasonnowwhat5041]

This what irks me about Sony still...why can’t one profile work best for multiple situations? I’m not a Canon fan per se but Clog is it. Use it for everything, where as Sony cameras have these different profiles that work best for certain conditions and I’ve literally had to write them in a little notebook to remember them.

[@AlperFS]

Hallo Björn, also bei Low Light immer lieber HLG3 anstatt SLOG3? :) Weniger rauschen richtig? :)

[@TheLAexplorer]

Lol the same thing happened to me with the original Sony A7S. I thought it would shoot everything perfectly in low light with S-Log. Shot some footage, brought it home, and it came out super noisy. Later I found out that S-Log needs to be slightly over exposed yet not so much that the whites clip, otherwise it looks noisy. Furthermore, once I finally did get the right exposure, I realized that couldn't take it anywhere near 10,000 ISO without having to use noise reduction. And for some reason, the S curve and saturation boost made the skin tones look terrible. That's when I decided to stop shooting in S-Log and try Cine. That was much easier to expose and color grade, and it didn't seem to give me as much noise. Flash forward to the AS7 III. I took it out for some night shots in DTLA as well. I kept saying which ISO I was using at the beginning of every shot in order to learn where the noise comes in. Surprisingly, sometimes I could get all the way up to 51K ISO with very little noise on S-Log 3 and sometimes 51K ISO looked too noisy to use without noise reduction. Same exact settings but very different levels of noise. However, the lighting was very different. I think that's a big part of it. I think that in S-Log 3, you really need to expose the shot in a very specific way to get low light footage with low noise at high ISOs. It's all a bit too risky for me so I'll continue shooting at low ISOs unless I absolutely have to bump it up. Oh, and I tried Cine mode as well. It looked the same as S-Log and sometimes worse. And they definitely improved the color science so you don't get weird skin tones in S-Log like before but I did see it happen when shooting with someone in a garden. Could have just been the green light from the plants bouncing onto the skin though. I'll try the HGL3 for low light tonight. Thanks for the tip.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Thanks for your comment man, it actually helped me understand it better too! I wish there was a feature in the camera that could measure the amount of noise entering the image. There's only so much I can see on the camera's screen!

[@RICH_Photography]

Once again...a nice honest review. So excited for you to hit that 100k sub mark. Been following and supporting the channel for years, keep it up Josh 👌

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Thank you so much for the support ❤️❤️

[@tonycapil1022]

Use Slog2 for low light. Slog3 is trying to collect as much DR as it can but with a dark scene there is nothing to really hold onto. Log and especially Raw is very noisy and the scene should be lit.

[@loudandclearmedia]

Perhaps the noise came from the step in your grading workflow of increasing the gain in the midtones? I know that will always make the 8 bit Sony footage fall apart. Better to over expose.

[@GarageGolf]

I added the vertical grip for even extra girth and thickness in my hands...by the way Kitty... one of my faves! Great channel. Subscribed!

[@SidneyDiongzon]

I noticed HLG3 was really good for low light too! Glad I wasn't going crazy!

[@MomentumProductions1992]

So strange isn’t it?

[@theinfinate]

I’ve never messed with hlg, how is the dynamic range with that profile?

[@jordi0m]

@@theinfinate Supposedly just as good. Go watch Gerald Undone's video, he has a true scientific dynamic range test for both slog 3 and hlg.

[@tiaan_va]

@@theinfinate it's definitely better than the standard profile but you lose a bit of info in the highlights. Shadows retain more detail with an infinitely less noise though. I would use slog3 if there are some important highlights that you really do not want to be clipped as slog3 will save you a bit there (with the cost of noise). My general approach is to use slog3 in super bright scenes with a ton of harsh contrast between shadow and highlights (like exteriors) and where you cannot control the intensity of the light (sunlight), and to use HLG3 in low light situations where you need more detail in the low and midtones with minimal noise. If you do get some highlight clipping with a low light scene it is still easier to underexpose slightly with HLG3 and bring the shadows back in post compared to saving that highlight with a slog and a normal exposure, because strange enough even bringing up slightly darker HLG3 footage in post produces less noise than that SLOG3 clip. Just my 2 cents with having used this camera for a few weeks now and after a ton of tests.

[@BalaKrishna-bq5iz]

SLog3 seems to have noise issue which Slog2 is clean. I don't have the camera but watching multiple videos on this subject, it seems to be the case

[@PeterKae]

I saw your videos on instagram. Glad I found you here love your shirt magic videos👊🏻😁 Always inspires me to creat my own. 🎥

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@DiraPictures]

I am testing it too right now. I am very happy with the V90 cards from Kingston. Very cheap and good! Heart bad rumors of the lexar

[@sarrieeldin]

What do u think of weebil s with this camera, will it handle the weight? Is it better or the crane 2s ?

[@psznt]

Thanks for the vid. May I ask what denioiser do you use? Also did you change any setting within the picture profile w SLOG and HLG? Thanks

[@Richoecreate]

excellent testing and details Josh..you just saved us hours of testing :)

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Thanks so much ❤️

[@Alakazam2047]

Great video! And thanks so much for using the F4 lens. I bought a 24-105mm F4 over a 28-75mm F2.8, and I didn't know how the low-light looked until you showed it! Where exactly was the fountain in LA located?

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Thanks so much! It’s right near Disney Concert Hall :)

[@digwillhachi]

so how did you expose? If you talk about noise in slog you need to give us more info on how you were exposing. Were you setting any middle grey or just eyeballing it? Also try 4:2:0.

[@Brownboy42069]

If you’re at ISO 1600 and want to go up without noise, why not just skip from ISO 3200 to ISO 12,800 and slap on a weak ND instead of throwing SLOG3 out the window?

[@MomentumProductions1992]

I never threw s-log out the window. The camera should be consistent with noise.

[@JonPais]

@Momentum Productions It has dual ISO, so it will def clean up at 12800.

[@Brownboy42069]

Momentum Productions consistent with noise? What does that mean in the context of dual gain-like operation? Dual gain inherently implies steps of noise/DR ranges rather than consistent

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Le Monarque I don’t want to use filters when the ones I have can change the color. My original A7s did not have this, so this needs some getting used to.

[@trogdor]

Looks like you have the best of both worlds. S-LOG3 for more latitude. HLG for clean starting point but not the best for pushing files.

[@timjanjeselnik4680]

The second circuit kicks in sooner in hlg3, that is why you might be getting "better" noise performance. Phillip bloom did a video on this.

[@bassaud3336]

not a bug dude, dual native ISO

[@MomentumProductions1992]

This hasn't been confirmed by Sony, only people on KZbin.

[@IMDABROWN]

For some reason this video didn’t come in my feed. I just happed to search for Sony a7siii videos with a filter for this week and you popped up on top.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Hahaha interesting...

[@dannygrau2983]

Question should the minimum iso be at 12,800 or should the maximum iso be set at 12,800?

[@dallatorretdu]

XAVC HS 4:2:0 is hecking amazin! dem small files that playback realtime and contain so much information... Already did a wedding with it loved, everything fit in a single 128gb card. I would love a camera update where the camera shows me when the noise step down will happen

[@kimytj5777]

You need to over expose the slog3 to get more clean noise. watch gerald undone video on this.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

These shots were over exposed by two stops. The noise in S-log3 is an issue.

[@AxelGizmo]

Awesome, thank you. Now please go ahead and test the HLG3 Leeming LUT. Does it actually work with the A7SIII, what with the new color science asf?

[@MomentumProductions1992]

I’ll look into it. Thank you!

[@tophermcgrillis]

You should try to over expose by 2 stops for slog 3. From my tests this means that the slog is far cleaner.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

That would mean I’d have to go to 30,000 ISO. So high!

[@tophermcgrillis]

Momentum Productions well I appreciate that maybe sometimes it’s just too dark. I rarely shoot over 2500 :)

[@timelapsega]

Gotta set up tab 1 "MyMenu," I just put every setting I use the most in order and it makes things super easy. I think I did Format card, movie settings, white balance, AF settings, steadyshot, and hdmi out setting. But even without that this menu feels really easy to navigate compared to prior sony cameras. Even after having the A73 2 years i still get lost. Also you can shoot 4k120 on a V60 SD card

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Thank you for the notes! :)

[@TheInfluenceStudios]

When shooting Slog3, do you recommend shooting up until you get to 3200 iso and then jump up to 12800 iso to get best performance ?

[@ICON-Studios]

As a fellow a7siii shooter yes I recommend that. But hlg3 might be worrh trying out. Especially with the correction lut by paul leeming at leemingluts

[@mirrorlessny]

@@ICON-Studios is hlg3 easier to color grade than slog3?

[@ICON-Studios]

@@mirrorlessny frankly if you use a simple lut they’re both easy. Im shooting a music video in puerto rico right now. I ended up shooting hlg in the day time and slog 3 at night time. Make sure u sub to see it when i post it ;)

[@mirrorlessny]

@@ICON-Studios interesting, enjoy the warm weather

[@aaronsilver9765]

with the sony cf express, the data rate is much faster?

[@MotoVigilant]

S-log is basically raw format, everything is raw even noise is also raw.

[@houseofintent]

damn dude! I cant wait until I get mine!

[@MomentumProductions1992]

I think you’ll love it!

[@nicolaslezas7610]

What is your opinion on the ISO160 provided by Sony for s-log3 in a7siii? Is it exploitable? Can we use it and when?

[@kidchris]

Awesome Footage 🎥

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Thanks so much!

[@thecameraguys5381]

just pull down the shadows in post and the noise disappears ser.

[@McDoogMedia]

I find somewhat the same results so far. Did you expose evenly or 2 stops over?

[@MomentumProductions1992]

I exposed evenly. 2 stops would have been too much unfortunately for low-light.

[@McDoogMedia]

Momentum Productions Makes sense. After struggling with S-log 2 on the a7sii and then using Cine 4 on the a7iii for a few years, S-Log 3 is a whole new adventure for me, but when it’s right, it’s AMAZING!!

[@GlassfilmWeddings]

im confused. My fx3, at 10000 at looks like it cleans up....

[@aaronsilver9765]

what were you grading in in this video?

[@ReaverStudios]

Down with the thickness \m/ \m/ 😂 Can't wait to get my A7SIII. Wait times are currently stupid!

[@Data_analyst.]

I reserved the a7SⅢ, even me! But, Japan'm Release Date is slow. It will come to me in another week. I'm looking forward to shooting at night!

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Awesome! I would love to see some of your footage :)

[@KYLERHOLLAND]

I'm still waiting for mine to come in :l wahhhhh living through your footage rn.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Patience grasshopper... patience.

[@aonghusquinn6867]

Will my Ninja V be able to record the 120fps 10-bit 4:2:2?

[@BrandonMilner]

Heads up: a bunch of your buy links are broken. I wanted to find out some of the cheap gear your recommended and the first two I clicked (gimbal and light) were broken li nks.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Hey man, thank you for letting me know. Yes, the LED light link is broken and will be updated soon. However, I triple checked the gimbal link and it is working fine :)

[@jpemile]

#TeamThick right here too 🤣🤣

[@_MJ07_]

So you like them thicc? You and me both 😂😂

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Yaaassss

[@intamequinternational7732]

What's the cost ??

[@maxmaerschalck6663]

I think Sony refuses to ship them to my store. I was the fifth person to preorder it and it still hasn't arrived yet. I'm more than disappointed! I even ordered it from a special store only available to businesses because they get everyting a couple week earlier but they've been waiting for their Sony shipment for 6 weeks now.

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Hey man, I feel your pain. I ordered 30 seconds after announcement which is why I got it on time lol

[@maxmaerschalck6663]

@@MomentumProductions1992 every week Sony told them that they're gonna get it next week. I already had to cancel 4 shoots because of that (needed 2 cameras and at least one of them needed to have good skintones). Now it's supposed to arrive at their store next week but I don't think that's gonna happen which is why I contacted Sony support to investigate it.

[@samuelgu1]

how did you do the color change on the can?

[@Samvisualarts]

"I like having a good time with thicc bodies" - momentum

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Damn right. Who doesn't?

[@a.z2972]

Im stuggling so bad to playback the a7siii footage in FinalCut on my 2019 iMac. Any tips on how i can make it smoother please? How are you finding editing it?

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Hey man! Have you tried using proxies? That’s what I do and works very well :)

[@a.z2972]

@@MomentumProductions1992 i haven't, im new to editing so don't know how to do that. ill watch some tutorials now, thank you. Great video too i'm looking forward to all the a7siii content

[@2010SLP]

@@a.z2972 You can make proxies on your own once you have downloaded your footage to your computer, or you can set your A7Siii up to make proxies while you record. Go to "Proxy Settings," which is the 4th item down on the first menu page.

[@a.z2972]

@@2010SLP cheers dude I did see that setting but wasn’t sure how it works. If I film in the proxy setting, once it done editing I can export the full files yea?

[@LoveFineArts]

@@a.z2972 Yes.

[@ameetpawar4391]

Thank you for the great information on the sony A7siii! In the video, u have mentioned the names of some youtube channels or youtubers! Could u send me their names. Thank you Josh

[@andugo]

i have a7s mark 1 too! my first mirrorless

[@MomentumProductions1992]

So goood! Hahah

[@michael_viteritti]

Nice review, thx for sharing =) It's all about the thickness :D lol

[@iz5442]

damn this camera puts the xt-4 in the bin

[@MomentumProductions1992]

Eeeeeee ;)

[@JaysCashVault]

Dam f4 you said that’s amazing

[@theinfinate]

Had to stop watching, the awkwardness got me hahaha nah just jokes! How good is the a7siii!! I’m loving it, I’m upgrading from the A9 too so picture profiles is a learning curve or should a say a logarithmic curve, a real thick logarithmic curve....sorry

[@JunaVisual]

from the test footage section looks so noisy 🥲

[@cameronb4099]

#Thicc 😂😂😂